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    hi Carmody, if you indeed made that claim somewhere (making the 4000 people sit down) I can't help but ask: what drove you to do it? was it the monkey or the driving consciousness? and if it was the driving consciousness that motivated it (and your other claims) why do you then feel a demonstration would be egotistical, or monkey-ish?

    this isn't intended as a "gotcha" post; it's a genuine inquiry. i'm trying to understand. if you can get in my head and speak to me that way, you have my full permission to do it. i'd love to see it performed! I really would. i'm very curious. and before I forget: where can I find a copy of this video you're talking about?

    my mind didn't really turn away from your post; I understand and agree mostly with what you're saying about the authentic self, or driving consciousness. but while i'm here, enmeshed in 3d, I also understand I am many things: my body, mind, higher self, ego etc...and all are required for my survival here on this planet and on this dimension at this time. the monkey has kept me alive, so I have no choice but to be grateful for it. if I could remove myself from society, and live in an ashram or something, I might attempt to shed all these layers, but as it stands...

    a funny anecdote: (speaking of Freud) the writer, William Saroyan, was a notorious drinker, and an even more notorious poker player and gambler. one night he cleaned out all his friends, and actually gave them all their money back so they could continue playing. he subsequently lost everything, got a substantial loan from his editor, went to a casino and was soon up big again. he played all night, losing everything all over again. it's said that afterwards he stood on the poker table and shouted, "I don't care what Freud says, I want to win!!!"
    There can be no revelations that are external in an attempt to help people become aware of who, and exactly 'what' they are.

    To engage in external proofs, as an initial point of unfolding, to extend such a condition into others whom I have no direct personal knowing of, that engages the animal side of self and it's expression, and that is a serious problem which will cascade into aspects of religion. That must not happen again. The age of Pisces (nebulous religion) is past, we move into the age of electric consensus aware humanity, the age of Aquarius.

    Knowing vs not knowing must not be an origin point in the development of separation into 'classes' of humanity. That sort of moment may come, be it sharply defined or loosely defined, but to put it off for as long as possible, is what is required for humanity, on the individual level, to chart it's own course.

    Buddhists teach one-on-one, for the same sort of reasons. Anything else is highly irresponsible, and ultimately damaging, to all and individual.

    The call comes from within. The world (in all it's myriad expression) rises to greet it.

    ok, fair enough.

    but I still can't let you off the hook here, my friend. please excuse my monkey nagging, but I must know (in spite of all you have written above)...why then did you cause the people to sit at the concert? why even make the claim to begin with? see what i'm saying? why do it then but not now???

    and if there is indeed a copy of that vid floating around, i'd love to see it.
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    ok, fair enough.

    but I still can't let you off the hook here, my friend. please excuse my monkey nagging, but I must know (in spite of all you have written above)...why then did you cause the people to sit at the concert? why even make the claim to begin with? see what i'm saying? why do it then but not now???

    and if there is indeed a copy of that vid floating around, i'd love to see it.
    I've spoken on the subject directly and the circumstances, directly, on this forum, in some posts..somewhere.

    But.. no names, no places, no dates, no locations, nothing. I even explained exactly how it was done. Rahkyt asked me about it and I explained the nuances of this particular form and method of projection and unfolding of effects. It was a complex act of knowing what can be done, what to do, and how to do it.

    Showing people that mass mind manipulation can be done, even in the midst of extreme emotionalism (which is directing mind/body outcome in that moment) that is aimed elsewhere, is probably not the best thing to be illustrating.
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    Hey Carmody, here is a hilarious coincidence (it was lollerific to me):

    a small scary spider was rappelling down my bathroom mirror this morning.
    I said "get back up there you are not supposed to be in here", expected him or her to keep descending toward the sink and bother me even more.

    the damn spider walked back up its thread to the top of the mirror.

    it was probably my coffee breath that scared him away, but LOL anyway, that was funny stuff.
    Spiders are really smart btw, maybe he knew he was threatened.

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    Quote Posted by Tesla_WTC_Solution (here)
    Hey Carmody, here is a hilarious coincidence (it was lollerific to me):

    a small scary spider was rappelling down my bathroom mirror this morning.
    I said "get back up there you are not supposed to be in here", expected him or her to keep descending toward the sink and bother me even more.

    the damn spider walked back up its thread to the top of the mirror.

    it was probably my coffee breath that scared him away, but LOL anyway, that was funny stuff.
    Spiders are really smart btw, maybe he knew he was threatened.
    lol
    My girlfriend calls me the insect whisperer,

    for some reason when I put on a certain voice they do exactly what I ask them, although the wasps have not been so friendly this year
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    I have a question for those that are psychically aware and active, mostly for those who can move people or weather or circumstances.

    Is there a code or ethic that goes with your practices? Are all advanced practitioners are aware of this ethic or code? How do you as individuals decide what you are going to do, as in who or what you will effect and to what degree?

    You see, what skills I have I decided not to use.

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    I have a brother-in-law who's the pastor of his church who has the ability to mesmerize people to the extent that when they're talking with him, eyeball to eyeball, the other person all of the sudden loses their train of thought and momentarily forgets what they were just about to say. His eyes are almost hypnotic when his attention is directed at you during those one on one conversations. This "forgetting" phenomenon can happen a few times within any conversation one has with him and it's very WEIRD. I personally don't feel that he has any control over that.

    On the other hand though, he's very controlling and manipulative. For example, he'll walk up to you and start off a friendly conversation where he may even compliment you about something and will get you talking about yourself on one thing or another only to then catch you completely off guard by posing a totally unexpected off-topic sh#t-trench question where you end up answering it by unintentionally agreeing with the accusation that's embedded within the question -- due to that mesmerizing ability of his.

    IOW's, because he sprang the question on so abruptly and seamlessly within the friendly conversation, you end up sputtering about and ultimately answering that sh#t-trench question exactly the way he wants you to answer it regardless that the accusation that's directed at you in the form of a question is totally untrue. And the reason why that happens is because of that mesmerizing ability of his that's definitely in the exceptional ability category and it's very scary.

    So there's that combo here of a manipulative personality and someone who gets what he wants due to his exceptional ability to hypnotize people during his conversations with them. Charles Manson was the same way.
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    My ethic code is really very simple, Heartsong. "First, do no harm" and take the higher road.

    From my perspective, everything that we, I mean all of us, those who know and those who do not know (which doesn't mean they don't have the gifts, just they need to realize they do) do must come from the position of compassion and detachment. I have witnessed people in power do whatever makes them feel better, without thinking of the implications of what their actions bear for the rest of the world. And for the overall process that is dangerous. I think if you are unaware of what your actions might bring onto others is one thing, but once you know, then you have no excuse to continue without consequences for your own path.

    For everyone given the gift of might, power, insight, comes also the responsibility to act according to the entrusted power, without involving egos and personal gains.

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    Quote Posted by Heartsong (here)
    I have a question for those that are psychically aware and active, mostly for those who can move people or weather or circumstances.

    Is there a code or ethic that goes with your practices? Are all advanced practitioners are aware of this ethic or code? How do you as individuals decide what you are going to do, as in who or what you will effect and to what degree?

    You see, what skills I have I decided not to use.
    Hello Heartsong,

    I donít consider myself an advance practitioner only years of practice. Iíve had formal training in energy dynamics. One of which was with the ďStuart Wildeís Warrior Wisdom 5 day IntensiveĒ. Some highlights were an outward bound and the fire walk experience, exposure beyond the ordinary world, and how to usurp chi/life energy from others OR the choice to tap the power within.

    For me, energy is energy. Intention defines the purpose.

    Most of Ďmyí spontaneous happenings come from seeking answers by way of inner knowing, and then tossing it out to the greater for confirmation. Itís a work in progress. Timely manifestations present in the form of things, animals, people, and knowledge. How the practice helps myself and others is by sharpening the co-creative powers. Itís sometimes conscious sometimes not, but always a continuous blend and flow of energy through All.

    One last point to address your question, ďHow do you as individuals decide what you are going to do, as in who or what you will effect and to what degree?í:
    • In terms of healing, our Higher Selves carry out the plan on how we've chosen to claim it NOW.
    • In terms of me working on say ridding chemtrails? Those, I see vaporize. They go no where but GONE.
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    Thank you for the last couple post and the Question heartstrong posted.really should just say this thread rocks....
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    Quote Posted by Roisin (here)
    I have a brother-in-law who's the pastor of his church who has the ability to mesmerize people to the extent that when they're talking with him, eyeball to eyeball, the other person all of the sudden loses their train of thought and momentarily forgets what they were just about to say. His eyes are almost hypnotic when his attention is directed at you during those one on one conversations. This "forgetting" phenomenon can happen a few times within any conversation one has with him and it's very WEIRD. I personally don't feel that he has any control over that.

    On the other hand though, he's very controlling and manipulative. For example, he'll walk up to you and start off a friendly conversation where he may even compliment you about something and will get you talking about yourself on one thing or another only to then catch you completely off guard by posing a totally unexpected off-topic sh#t-trench question where you end up answering it by unintentionally agreeing with the accusation that's embedded within the question -- due to that mesmerizing ability of his.

    IOW's, because he sprang the question on so abruptly and seamlessly within the friendly conversation, you end up sputtering about and ultimately answering that sh#t-trench question exactly the way he wants you to answer it regardless that the accusation that's directed at you in the form of a question is totally untrue. And the reason why that happens is because of that mesmerizing ability of his that's definitely in the exceptional ability category and it's very scary.

    So there's that combo here of a manipulative personality and someone who gets what he wants due to his exceptional ability to hypnotize people during his conversations with them. Charles Manson was the same way.
    People who were born with exact Pluto Aspects, or strong Scorpio charts, can do this.
    Not all will, however, once they learn that those powers carry with them potentially hurtful karma.
    The thing is to know when is the right moment to apply such traits.

    Scorpios are the most psychic types among us...they know how not to waste their energies,
    maintain their silence, and direct it when needed with laser-like precision.

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    You're right on target ulli! He's a Scorpio and I'm going try to find out what time he was born to see what his planetary aspects look like... especially Pluto!

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    Heartsong, you asked an excellent question:

    Quote Posted by Heartsong
    I have a question for those that are psychically aware and active, mostly for those who can move people or weather or circumstances.

    Is there a code or ethic that goes with your practices? Are all advanced practitioners are aware of this ethic or code? How do you as individuals decide what you are going to do, as in who or what you will effect and to what degree?
    I would say that ethical questions lie at the very core of psychic activity Ė or the choices that are made to use or not use certain skills in any given case.

    This is described in the ancient distinction between thaumaturgy: ďwonder workingĒ or imposing an outcome based on personal ego/creation and theurgy: freeing the greater good to act in its own highest interests, ďThy will be done, not mine...Ē.

    The difference is not in the techniques, which are the same in both cases. This is why some say that there is no difference between so-called black (thaumaturgic) and white (theurgic) magic. But the difference in the intention toward the outcome is, in my view, significant. And this is where ethics comes very much into play.

    Now, mind you, this is not a simple question of black or white, but one of degree and subtlety. And you learn from experience, some quite unexpected.

    Deciding, say, I want to meet and marry The Handsomest Man In The World and setting your intention into motion may be of little greater importance Ė youíll simply discover how many other women are also chasing him all day long and how little resistance he has to their charms!

    But to decide: move this hurricane down the coast... stop/start this rain... or block that law that affects millions.... well. This has many, many implications. The Law of Unintended Consequences will be writ large here, and the greater fractal of cosmic geometry, once altered, can rebound with furious response in some direction that our feeble human intelligence never anticipated.

    Yes, you can get what you asked for. But is the fully-realized outcome really what you wanted? Did you fully understand that turning that hurricane here and now will/could result in human-killing temperatures and desertification on another continent which would persist for a century? Did you understand this? And if you had, what decision would you have made if you knew you would be held fully responsible for the long-term outcome? Different question, isnít it?

    And thatís when you realize you donít know enough to make that decision to alter reality. As a human, we donít necessarily have the smarts. And you almost certainly do not want the responsibility on your record. Because you are responsible for your decisions, period. Psychic power is not a toy, nor an amusement or frivolity. It has real implications, big time. And great power invokes great responsibility. Yours.

    So what about requests for healing, getting jobs or good grades, saving lives? Good stuff. Or hopefully so. But this is where, once again, our simple solution may not be the best one. Thatís a toughie. Naturally, we want that infant to live. We want it to thrive and be happy. But do we really understand all the implications and the purpose of its brief incarnation here? Are we prepared to alter the destiny of its soul and its parents for all time going forward? Do you know enough of the full story?

    This is why, when I read truly heart-rending requests for aid or healing, my only prayer is: May the highest and best outcome be realized here. I look for the highest long-term good, thatís all. And I understand that I donít necessarily know what that highest-and-best outcome ought to be. It may not be a longer life here. I donít know that. I only work here. I only want that soul to achieve its highest best outcome with as little suffering as possible.

    This is not throwing away your power; it is realizing it in the highest degree.

    There is a wonderful Monty Python skit about the guy who finally gets to interview God. After much to-ing and fro-ing, he is finally ushered into the presence of the Most High, whom he discovers is not a great power on a throne but a little old gardener at work in a very large garden, somewhat concerned about the health of a very small plant and mumbling to himselfÖ.

    Cheers,

    Selene
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    Quote Posted by Carmody (here)
    Quote Posted by Chinaski (here)


    ok, fair enough.

    but I still can't let you off the hook here, my friend. please excuse my monkey nagging, but I must know (in spite of all you have written above)...why then did you cause the people to sit at the concert? why even make the claim to begin with? see what i'm saying? why do it then but not now???

    and if there is indeed a copy of that vid floating around, i'd love to see it.
    I've spoken on the subject directly and the circumstances, directly, on this forum, in some posts..somewhere.

    But.. no names, no places, no dates, no locations, nothing. I even explained exactly how it was done. Rahkyt asked me about it and I explained the nuances of this particular form and method of projection and unfolding of effects. It was a complex act of knowing what can be done, what to do, and how to do it.

    Showing people that mass mind manipulation can be done, even in the midst of extreme emotionalism (which is directing mind/body outcome in that moment) that is aimed elsewhere, is probably not the best thing to be illustrating.


    in "some posts"? "somewhere"? boy you're slippery! ok, so let me get this straight: showing people that mass manipulation can be done is probably not the best thing to be illustrating...yet you claim to have already done it at least once, claim to have access to a video of it, claim it is a pretty easy thing to do...buuuut will not demonstrate it here again and will not reveal this mystery video because...well...*why* again?

    see, this is where you lose me. I am not trying to be a pest or a debunker - truly - but I wouldn't be able to sleep tonight if I didn't ask these questions. I am not calling your integrity into question or calling you a fraud. nothing of the sort. i'm just a curious chap who would like to see a little follow-thru is all. I feel it is a perfectly reasonable stance, and yet I can't help but feel like the bad guy on these types of threads. a true enigma...

    I don't know if it's against Avalon rules, but i'd like to personally (and I'd hope others would join in) pledge $50 to anyone who can prove an ability to affect objective reality in an incontrovertible way. I do like to joke around here quite a bit, but i'm deadly serious. i'm guessing we could put a nice pot of cash together. what say you, Avalon. who's in?

    we often talk here of the general public or the average citizen as an individual who has their head in the sand, sometimes willingly, to avoid a reality they can't or won't deal with. so what do they do? they accept the current paradigm...or invent their own reality, their own illusions. but don't we do that here as well? are we any different? haven't we invented a sort of cozy, quasi-'lord of the rings' environment where we all feel safe to express ourselves, talk current events, and, if not make stuff up to make ourselves feel better or more important, then at least exaggerate a little? we've created a really fun reality where there are virtually no impossibilities...except when it comes to exploring those impossibilities practically, no one is willing to step up. it's almost like talking about sex day in and day out, but not getting any action. not only not getting any action, but also getting muddy, professorial reasons why that don't seem to add up in any way, shape or form. it's a tease, and I've got a throbbing set of spiritual blue-balls that are seeking a little satisfaction...if you'll excuse the metaphor.

    so that's where i'm at. no disrespect to anybody at all - i'm not antagonizing. I extend my good will to each and every member here. this sort of stuff just really gets in my craw, is all.
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    Quote Posted by Chinaski (here)
    I don't know if it's against Avalon rules, but i'd like to personally (and I'd hope others would join in) pledge $50 to anyone who can prove an ability to affect objective reality in an incontrovertible way.
    For me, most phenomenon canít be documented because the physical evidence came and went as needed. If I try to replicate, I miss whatís meant to experience right NOW.

    At some point you stop looking outside yourself for evidence. If you ask me, doubt itís a clever and unfortunate mind trick to keep one from who they are. What a time and energy waster.

    Reshare:

    Over my bed, I had three Christmas balls that looked like bubbles hanging from my ceiling at different lengths. It gave the illusion that they were floating.


    A friend randomly picked a ball for me to move. He upped the challenge to swing left/right, back/forth, or circle. Then for the finale move all three. Even as I type, I canít believe it happened over and over. I sit here now and say, "How cool!" Back then it was just ordinary.

    It wasnít all at once ďOh, my God!Ē

    While alone, Iíd notice one move and the other two didnít. I rationalized it was a breeze, even though no windows were opened. I intellectualized that it was the air currents. 

I didnít believe it. But once I figured out the fear of failure/nothing to loose part, I stared at another goat...I mean ball. And IT moved.

    So why not film it? Why not go for the $50 bucks. Is it fear of failure? Fear of branded a charlatan? Itís that and more. No matter how may times itís demonstrated, thereíll alway be those unwilling to go beyond their comfort zone. So they point and say, ďSheís a fake.Ē Ha! There are days I wonder that myself.

    For those interested in the technique:

    I just visualize. See them moving. In the beginning, feel or call up or recognize a sensation in either your the heart, stomach or belly button region.

    How Iíd describe itís like when you're up really high on the a swing, and just as youíre about to come back down, thereís that tickle-giggle sensation. After awhile, I streamlined it. I just saw them moving in my mindís eye.



    UPDATE: I forgot to add that my friend applied the same techniques above. He did it too, but did not believe himself. He said I did it. Even when I turned away and he didn't tell me which one he picked. He still didn't believe.
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    Im sorry..but chinaski..really man..Throbbing set of spiritual blue-balls??..!!lol!
    TRUTH and BALANCE

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    Quote Posted by Paula (here)
    Quote Posted by Chinaski (here)
    I don't know if it's against Avalon rules, but i'd like to personally (and I'd hope others would join in) pledge $50 to anyone who can prove an ability to affect objective reality in an incontrovertible way.
    For me, most phenomenon canít be documented because the physical evidence came and went as needed. If I try to replicate, I miss whatís meant to experience right NOW.

    At some point you stop looking outside yourself for evidence. If you ask me, doubt itís a clever and unfortunate mind trick to keep one from who they are.
    I believe any challenges to prove these things or disprove them, are guaranteed to appear to disprove them.
    This will continue until they are no longer a big deal.
    The overall state of mankind is engaged almost exclusively in the physical universe as all that is.
    To demonstrate psychic abilities in the general public has a tendency to traumatize all concerned.
    I think Carmody's posts attest to that.
    I have milder experiences that led me to beleive that to go down this road is to lose the chance for the big prize.
    I am here to experience, walks in the woods, work, relationships with other people. That experience for me is contained in a bigger non
    physical universe that is leading me back to consciousness.

    The overt use of psychic abilities to prove things comes with strings that I don't want to be pulled by, (I may be pulled by them anyway to a lesser extent).
    The other side of this in my experience is an inability to do these things deliberately on a repetitive basis.
    I have more important things to do, I am on a long path here that involves learning to be just another bozo on the bus
    who can get along with others, and pull my weight, and not be special, and expect special privileges.
    That task is daunting enough, thank you very much.

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    Quote Posted by johnf (here)
    Quote Posted by Paula (here)
    Quote Posted by Chinaski (here)
    I don't know if it's against Avalon rules, but i'd like to personally (and I'd hope others would join in) pledge $50 to anyone who can prove an ability to affect objective reality in an incontrovertible way.
    For me, most phenomenon canít be documented because the physical evidence came and went as needed. If I try to replicate, I miss whatís meant to experience right NOW.

    At some point you stop looking outside yourself for evidence. If you ask me, doubt itís a clever and unfortunate mind trick to keep one from who they are.
    I have milder experiences that led me to believe that to go down this road is to lose the chance for the big prize.

    I am here to experience, walks in the woods, work, relationships with other people. That experience for me is contained in a bigger nonphysical universe that is leading me back to consciousness.

    The overt use of psychic abilities to prove things comes with strings that I don't want to be pulled by, (I may be pulled by them anyway to a lesser extent).

    The other side of this in my experience is an inability to do these things deliberately on a repetitive basis.

    I have more important things to do, I am on a long path here that involves learning to be just another bozo on the bus who can get along with others, and pull my weight, and not be special, and expect special privileges.

    That task is daunting enough, thank you very much.

    jf
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    I began to extract the ones that go Bing! Bing! Bing! When really, a thumbs-up was all that was needed. So, I picked my top 5 that fit closest to what I say.

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    The magnanimity that Bill has shown by opening this thread is an invitation. An invitation to seek one's own inner strength and awareness. The focus, concentration of all inquiry should always be within. Upon Self.

    Ain't nothin' like gettin' ya mind blasted.

    I don't even have to close my eyes to see the expression on the faces of people who've just had their entire world and belief system upended right in front of their eyes. A certain dullness, slow blinking, mouth agape, body slack. Then, invariably, fear. For some, after the fear, a gleam of avarice enters their eyes.

    Without the glamour and glitz of a Vegas magic show, or street magic in the safety of crowds and the bustle of everyday life, an experience with real ability leaves one changed forever. Generally in one of two ways. The third way, the middle way between the other two, could be seen as the best.

    Just let it all be and live.

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    Abilities are a function to be appreciated but they are not what you are.
    Identification along the lines of "I am the gifted xyand z" creates an obstacle to spiritual progress.
    Its all quite subtle.
    Neither attraction nor aversion.
    Everyone is unique with different abilities--- none more special than another.
    The Buddha had good advice--- "Put no head above your own"
    A Course in Miracles states "Specialness is the last resort of the ego"

    However there is a balance and others are to be respected and their gifts appreciated.

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