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    Default Clash with Karen Hudes on Trunews (Broadcast of October 15th, 2013)

    I frequently listen to Trunews (archives here). Not because I am a christian and also not because I would
    believe everything brought up is accurate and true,
    for example the show is pro Israel, but because there are gems of news items in the show. Like the show of October 10th which was very informative on
    the background of Panama's recent bank holiday.

    But even more interesting was the show of October 15th with Karen Hudes. She has been sharing interesting information on several alternative media outlets.
    But with Rick Wels it clashed. While Rick is a strong believer of 'The end-times' Karen's message is based on 'Everything is ok, we're winning'.
    Strong words were used and as a result she was thrown 'off the air'.



    Although I am of the opinion that it is important to have an attitude of a winner to engage in your battle it might be destructive to consider the battle as won while it is still on.

    I am curious to what other members here think ... How reliable is the message that Karen Hudes is broadly letting out to the world?
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    Default Re: Clash with Karen Hudes on Trunews (Broadcast of October 15th, 2013)

    Those are very good questions.

    I think Karen was a bit of a hot head and didn't let the guy finish his thought, which I thought was rude. I also think the interviewer has an agenda to push the fear porn, which is typical of quite a few religious people. So the NSA is reading everyone's emails etc, I don't think we should be "afraid" of that fact. There are a lot more of us than there are of them.

    I tend to side with Karen's view more than his. She has the mindset of an athlete visualizing winning the contest before it is over. Better that than giving up and EXPECTING defeat like him.

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    Default Re: Clash with Karen Hudes on Trunews (Broadcast of October 15th, 2013)

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    I tend to side with Karen's view more than his. She has the mindset of an athlete visualizing winning the contest before it is over. Better that than giving up and EXPECTING defeat like him.
    I agree 100%. An apocalyptic End-Times-Believer Christian can be a very dangerous influence. Their agenda is very different from that of most others who are doing everything they can to AVOID cataclysm or catastrophe.

    End-Timers are kind of looking forward to it, saying: "Bring it on, because in the end God will fix everything."

    If God was going to fix everything, he'd have done it already. We can't count on him showing up. So far, he's been very late for the party.

    There have been more than plenty of incidents in world history where it would have been great if God had appeared to save the day (or, at least, to save a few million lives). But he never has done so far. That's a poor track record for the human race to depend on.

    The whole idea is that we have to fix it ourselves
    . It's all about responsibility, and leaving it up to God is avoiding responsibility. I suspect that Karen Hudes would 100% endorse this view.
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    Default Re: Clash with Karen Hudes on Trunews (Broadcast of October 15th, 2013)

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    I agree 100%. An apocalyptic End-Times-Believer Christian can be a very dangerous influence. Their agenda is very different from that of most others who are doing everything they can to AVOID cataclysm or catastrophe.

    End-Timers are kind of looking forward to it, saying: "Bring it on, because in the end God will fix everything."

    If God was going to fix everything, he'd have done it already. We can't count on him showing up.

    There have been more than plenty of incidents in world history where it would have been great if God had shown up. But he never has done so far. That's a pretty poor track track record for us to depend on.

    The whole idea is that we have to fix it ourselves
    . It's all about responsibility, and leaving it up to God is avoiding responsibility. I suspect that Karen Hudes would 100% endorse this view.
    Agreed, however, the way Karen conducted herself didn't help her own view (and ours) IMO. When someone goes off like that often what they said is dismissed.

    BUT, I would like to address what she said about the Federal Reserve. I knew it wasn't "Federal" that it was privately owned, and the owners were ripping us off, and that a certain percentage was going to Bank of London, but I didn't know that 60% was going to the Vatican. This is the kind of info that I would like to see go mainstream. But unfortunately THAT'S exactly what gets lost in all the bickering about who is or isn't going to save us.

    Knowledge about the Fed Res and where all the $$$ goes is paramount. That's what needs to be discussed.
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    Default Re: Clash with Karen Hudes on Trunews (Broadcast of October 15th, 2013)

    They both got a little suspicious of each other for no reason.
    I listened to it all... I still don't understand what went wrong, it seems like a very emotional tone was mishandled by the radio interviewer. He should have leave his pride for a short while and let her talk they way she wanted as it was not directed intentionally to him rather to the overall idea that was being spoken about regarding its validity in the matrix-reality of ours.
    Subjects like these shouldn't have these kinds of endings. Instead of talking neutrally they both involved their self respect and got hurt from each other not allowing us listeners a quality material for us to discern and think of at our own free will.

    It looks like all we have left are people pointing at each other as disinfo and fear agents instead of just giving simple answers to simple questions.

    BTW,
    I have a feeling none of this was intentional on both sides, and if given a second chance to sit and talk reasonably it would have worked very nice as they are both positive people in my eyes.
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    Default Re: Clash with Karen Hudes on Trunews (Broadcast of October 15th, 2013)

    Quote Posted by Snookie (here)
    She has the mindset of an athlete visualizing winning the contest before it is over. Better that than giving up and EXPECTING defeat like him.
    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    The whole idea is that we have to fix it ourselves. It's all about responsibility, and leaving it up to God is avoiding responsibility.
    Thank you all, great reactions so far !!

    As I said before I don't support all the perceptions of Trunews but somehow Rick manages to
    frequently have great guests on his show with amazing deep insight on actual news.

    One of my main concerns with Karen's positive message is the downside effect it also can have:
    "The government is in control, everything will be all-right ... " ... go back to sleep people?

    She has been on alternative media a lot lately, including Kerry's show and Kerry wants to
    have her back on as soon as possible. How come 'they' let her talk so much ? Or are 'they'
    really losing control? Rick seems to be convinced they're not. But I want to raise it as a
    legitimate question. Could Karen be 'controlled opposition' ? Any additional thoughts on that?
    Last edited by Operator; 16th October 2013 at 19:44. Reason: Improved wording

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    Default Re: Clash with Karen Hudes on Trunews (Broadcast of October 15th, 2013)

    i think we are reading too much into this... my opinion only... she is not an agent and also he is not an agent...
    'They' cannot control everything in this world. She didnt tell to go to sleep and that we are being taken care of, only objected the thought that change cannot be achieved as presented by the interviewer.

    I think she is key and we should keep our eyes on her interviews and public presentations as she carries a message of hope.
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    Default Re: Clash with Karen Hudes on Trunews (Broadcast of October 15th, 2013)

    Quote Posted by Peace&Love (here)
    only objected the thought that change cannot be achieved as presented by the interviewer.
    Agreed, no doubts here.

    Quote Posted by Peace&Love (here)
    i think we are reading too much into this...
    Sure, could be ... purpose of my question is to 'weigh' the value of the information that Karen delivers, like every intelligence agency would do.

    Quote Posted by Peace&Love (here)
    She didnt tell to go to sleep
    Indeed she didn't. But I am interested in the effect that Karen's message could have on everyone. I suspect that there is a tendency that the
    more people rely on her message to be true the less they will do themselves to change the situation.

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    Default Re: Clash with Karen Hudes on Trunews (Broadcast of October 15th, 2013)

    If you ask me... her information is accurate and very painful at the same time. She 'has been there done that' kind of person seen the white in the eyes of those people that are manipulating our lives to makes us their slaves. She knows very well how law works and is familiar with much of the nuances and 'black holes' contracts, rulings and laws have so she is deducting wisely it can all be stopped via continued legal work within the legal and lawful parameters as it indeed allow us to make change that would be beneficial.
    A note on her emotionally delivered message, that can only prove to the highest degree for me she stands behind every word she says. A true person of truth.
    She already affected me when i listened to the interview Kerry Cassidy has made with her. I noticed she hasn't changed a word or added unnecessary drama, just plain facts and events occurring witnessed by her. She is definitely on the side of the humans.
    We can only change what we are focusing on, i believe that, by her information she creates new focus points that propagate further to each and every viewer/listener so they can have their attention towards hope and trust there are still people out there that believe and act in the name of justice for the human race.

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    Default Re: Clash with Karen Hudes on Trunews (Broadcast of October 15th, 2013)

    Yes, understandably though regrettably Karen lost it!

    You may be interested to read these comments by Karen:

    http://discussions.latimes.com/20/la...na-20131015/10


    Karen Hudes at 12:13 PM October 15, 2013
    --------- Forwarded message ----------
    From: Karen Hudes <h.k3511@gmail.com>
    Date: Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 3:00 PM
    Subject: Re: checking in with you
    To: monti smith <monti.smith1951@gmail.com>

    Dear Monti,
    Thanks for your email. I am safe and well, if not a bit flustered after the collapse of my last interview. I am attaching a list of recently completed interviews, https://s3.amazonaws.com/khudes/nation+of+change.docx
    and forwarding an email concerning a recent one that did not work out.
    Dear Endre,
    Glad my interview made you laugh -- I am writing you after a radio interviewer, who kept on saying that there was no legal way for US citizens to take back their government, ended my interview when I lost patience and said, [expletive deleted!] http://foa5c.org/file.php/1/Amendmen...69_1929_HL.JPG
    Best,
    Karen

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    Default Re: Clash with Karen Hudes on Trunews (Broadcast of October 15th, 2013)

    I am so sorry Karen Hudes lost it. She works so hard to uncover the evil doers and gather allies around the world to undo this mess without totally destroying our country. Her information could have given his audience hope for the future.

    So what is this guy's solution- just give up and pray for the end times? Did he keep insisting on giving his viewpoint to interrupt her and keep her from sharing her no end times alternatives? That happened when she reached the point of mentioning the Vatican Bank being part of the evil controllers. That was his clue that the interview was not going his way.

    He claimed he has been doing "this" for fifteen years. Doing what- interviewing people? That doesn't make him an expert on financial matters. Why did he keep insisting on stating his viewpoint rather than let her reveal her solutions. He knew he wanted to break her.

    He is a very,very slick operator like a psychopath lovebombing his latest romantic victim and when the interview was moving away from the direction he wanted to control, she blew up and lost the chance to influence some end time believers.

    Karen made a mistake by not listening to one of his shows in advance. The beginning said it all, he knows the truth and presents all the truth. Since when does one person know all the truth? Karen should have known better than to go on a show like this one.

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    Default Re: Clash with Karen Hudes on Trunews (Broadcast of October 15th, 2013)

    I don't agree with her that we should solve these problems by staying within the existing system. I think the whole kit & caboodle should be chucked in the garbage. All of us need to remember what beautiful human creators we are. If we begin believing in our own creative power and strength, we soon won't be giving these A holes a second thought. We'll be so involved with pleasing and delighting ourselves what they do or don't do will not matter to us.

    I know this isn't an easy way to think and be. Even a few years ago I would not have believed I would have ever written something like this, but the more we disengage from "their" paradigm, the easier it will be for us.

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    Default Re: Clash with Karen Hudes on Trunews (Broadcast of October 15th, 2013)

    Are you an anarchist? Do you love chaos? Have you ever lived in survival mode? Do you not value anything in your current life that you would want to save or protect? Who is going to collect the garbage of the "whole kit & caboodle."

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    Default Re: Clash with Karen Hudes on Trunews (Broadcast of October 15th, 2013)

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    But with Rick Wiles it clashed. While Rick is a strong believer of 'The end-times' Karen's message is based on 'Everything is ok, we're winning'.
    Strong words were used and as a result she was thrown 'off the air'.



    Although I am of the opinion that it is important to have an attitude of a winner to engage in your battle it might be destructive to consider the battle as won while it is still on.

    I am curious to what other members here think ... How reliable is the message that Karen Hudes is broadly letting out to the world?
    I have no comment on any religious or end-times views of Rick Wiles, but what I heard him say about the ones in power now, such as stating that they are not going to let anyone else take their power away, and such as a Constitutional Convention being intolerable, sounded right on to me.

    On the other hand, what I heard Karen Hudes saying, that we are winning using existing institutions such as state governments and existing mechanisms such as a Constitutional Convention, with support from some key US Senators, sounded quite wrong to me, in addition to her being quite rude about it.

    Rick Wiles concluded that portion of the broadcast by saying "You know what, I don't trust her any more." I was already having my doubts about Hudes continued efforts to work within the system, and her claim that there was 170,000 tons of gold bullion in a vault in Hawaii. I heard Wiles give Hudes an opportunity to speak of her views and experience, but Hudes rudely refused to let Wiles finish a single sentence expressing Wiles views that we will not succeed working within the system.
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    Default Re: Clash with Karen Hudes on Trunews (Broadcast of October 15th, 2013)

    Please see my answers under your questions:

    Quote Posted by grannyfranny100 (here)
    Are you an anarchist?
    A) Not sure, but probably

    Do you love chaos?
    A) Sometimes, it's during those times I feel most alive.

    Have you ever lived in survival mode?
    A) Most of my life. I grew up in a family of 10 children...what does that tell you?

    Do you not value anything in your current life that you would want to save or protect?
    A) My relationships with my loved ones.

    Who is going to collect the garbage of the "whole kit & caboodle.
    A) Either we all will or none of us will - it's our choice.

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    Default Re: Clash with Karen Hudes on Trunews (Broadcast of October 15th, 2013)

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    I have no comment on any religious or end-times views of Rick Wiles, but what I heard him say about the ones in power now, such as stating that they are not going to let anyone else take their power away, and such as a Constitutional Convention being intolerable, sounded right on to me.

    On the other hand, what I heard Karen Hudes saying, that we are winning using existing institutions such as state governments and existing mechanisms such as a Constitutional Convention, with support from some key US Senators, sounded quite wrong to me, in addition to her being quite rude about it.

    Rick Wiles concluded that portion of the broadcast by saying "You know what, I don't trust her any more." I was already having my doubts about Hudes continued efforts to work within the system, and her claim that there was 170,000 tons of gold bullion in a vault in Hawaii. I heard Wiles give Hudes an opportunity to speak of her views and experience, but Hudes rudely refused to let Wiles finish a single sentence expressing Wiles views that we will not succeed working within the system.
    Thanks Paul.

    You perfectly reflect the dilemma I had with the show ... although Rick Wiles is trying to get people on the show to get the
    truth on the table it appears to be his truth in his desired context. But the same can be said about Karen Hudes. It is great
    she has such a clear inside view on the problems but she only sees the solutions within her context too.

    Personally I don't think that a legal system, built and controlled by the cabal, can be used to bring down that same cabal.
    Doesn't sound right to me ... Additionally, I guess we all know what emotional energy can do. I think that showing her
    emotional involvement may show her vulnerability to become 'controlled' in the near future.

    So, yes she has a message of hope but at the same time I have my doubts about the projected solutions.

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    Default Re: Clash with Karen Hudes on Trunews (Broadcast of October 15th, 2013)

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    Are you an anarchist? Do you love chaos? Have you ever lived in survival mode? Do you not value anything in your current life that you would want to save or protect? Who is going to collect the garbage of the "whole kit & caboodle."
    Ok, let me reply to that ... although you had those questions aimed at Snookie in post #12 I guess.

    I am a software developer and from that experience I can tell you that, yes, sometimes it's better to scrap the lot and start over from scratch.
    Keep on kicking the can down the road and band aids here and there are often not going to fix structural problems. On the contrary attempts
    to repair often contribute to an even bigger chaos. I think that's actually the situation we're in now.

    And of course you're right, what I said about software is easier to be corrected than our complete society.
    The question is are we still able to avoid system crashes or should we prepare for a (un?)controlled crash landing?

    It makes sense to me that we should turn our current society into a more sustainable one by decentralization and
    smaller self organizing units anyway. However, most people will only start to move when there are unambiguous
    signs to do so. So, do we really have a choice?

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    Default Re: Clash with Karen Hudes on Trunews (Broadcast of October 15th, 2013)

    What would Jesus have said in Karen's position ?

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    Default Re: Clash with Karen Hudes on Trunews (Broadcast of October 15th, 2013)

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    I just listened to the show. I'm with Karen Hudes.

    Rick Wiles said (and this is the exact quote):

    "I don't see any way that the American people can take control of this country short of a... quite frankly, a bloody revolution."

    Karen Hudes is putting her life on the line trying to find other means. That's why she got angry -- because she doesn't want bloodshed and justified Martial Law. She told Rick Wiles, in response:

    "That's what they want you to think." And she may be right.

    Rick Wiles' proposed solution, after ending the interview saying that she would never have Karen Hudes on his show again, and that he did not trust her, was to pray that God would bring them all down.

    But God works in mysterious ways. Maybe he'll be helping Karen do her job.

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    Default Re: Clash with Karen Hudes on Trunews (Broadcast of October 15th, 2013)

    Well I'd wager Karen knows a great deal more than Rick (and his precious ego) does on this topic. Believing passively in anything outside of yourself to fix a "problem" (God, Aliens etc) is essentially offloading a responsibilty that is really our own
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