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    NAADI SHASTRA.Palm Leaf Astrology. Also known as The Akashic Records on earth.

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    Hi everyone, I am going to attempt to express in words and hopefully share with you all an Amazing experience i had with the Naadi Shastra while i was in India. This experience is ongoing and will continue until the moment of my passing here on earth.

    Before i give the history of the Naadi or Nadi Shastra. I would like to give my personal recommendation/warning for those who may like to inquire further.

    1. There are charlatans everywhere within India.

    2. I do NOT recommend having a reading online. (Better to be in the presence of a bona fide Naadi reader on a one to one) If in India then visit.

    3. A Legit Naadi Priest will not take money unless they have found your personal leaves first. (Some people have paid only to find their leaves do not exist)

    4. This was 2005, I was privileged to meet a Naadi Family who believed it was more important for me to experience rather than for them to make money,They found my personal leaves,

    My overwhelming experience to date has cost me the grand total of £40 sterling./ 3500RP. exchange rate then.
    Some Legit priests will try to charge upwards to 2,000USD/1980000RP. Exchange rate today. A Rip off. Yes they have to earn a living but do not go there.

    It is written on the leaves when you will come, What Age and Also if you are destined to hear them. Many have searched but had no results. And because of frauds and disappointments the Naadi has been labeled a Scam by some. For me it is maybe not 100% correct 98% more like and all genuine.

    The Naadi describe this as a science as you will read.

    This is the Naadi Family i had my experience with.
    http://www.naadishastra.com/about-us.php#about-naadi

    Naadi History.

    History of Nadi Leaves http://shriagastiya.webs.com/agastiy...veshistory.htm (Info Only)

    Sri Agastiya

    Agastiya

    In Hinduism, Agasthiya is a legendary Vedic sage or rishi. Some say that it was the sage Agasthiya who first brought and popularized the Vedic religion to south India.

    Agasthiya and his clan are also credited to have "authored" many mantras of the Rig Veda, the earliest and most revered Hindu scripture (in the sense of first having the mantras revealed in his mind by the Supreme Spirit Brahman.) In some reckonings, Agasthiya is also said to be one of the greatest Seven Sages or Saptarshis. The word is also written as Agasti.

    Agasthiya was a great devotee of Lord Shiva. After Agasthiya reached the south, in answer to his prayer for revelation on the classical language of South India, Lord Shiva himself taught the classical Tamil language to Agasthiya. Agasthiya is said to have attended Tamil Sangam (convention) and staged his work, the Agattiyam or Agasthiyam.

    This is one of the earliest treatise on Tamil grammar. In the 2500-year old Tamil Sangam, Agasthiyakoodam has a history of being home of Siddha medicine and it is said to be the home of Agasthiya.

    He is considered as the first and foremost person of Siddha. He is considered the guru of many other Siddhars. He is also called Kurumuni, meaning short (kuru) saint (muni). His contributions were to the field of Medicine (Siddha) and Astrology - especially Nadi Jodhidam(Jos(i)yam or Jothisyam). He is said to have lived for over 5000 years, and that one of his medicinal preparations, Boopathi Kuligai, is so powerful that it can even bring the dead back to life. Two of his students and disciples were Therayar and Tholkappiar.

    The Lalitha sahasranama, which describes the 1000 names of the mother Goddess (Known commonly as Gowri, Parvati or Durga), was first revealed to the world when Hayagriva, a manifestation of Vishnu, taught the same to Agasthiya. Agasthiya is said to have composed the Aditya Hridayam, a hymn to Surya, and taught the same to Rama just before the war between Rama and Ravana.
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    Nadi Leaves

    Can you believe that someone in India is storing records of your entire life cycle ie, your past, present and future. Hard to believe but yes, this is called Nadi Astrology. Nadi is an ancient astrology, which has been composed by great Maharishis (sages) of India in the past using their spiritual powers.

    The sages recorded these predictions for every individual for the betterment of humanity and to safeguard dharma (righteousness). These sages predicted the characteristics, family history, as well as the careers of innumerable individuals contained in several thousand volumes, each containing around a hundred predictions.

    These Nadi prediction recordings, being the repository of wisdom of the Great Saint was one of the well preserved books for thousands of years by the many generations of rulers, until an auction during the British rule, when it finally became the proud possession of an influential family of Valluvar community at Vaitheeswarankoil in the Tanjore district of Tamilnadu.

    The Rishis (sages), who dictated those Nadis, were gifted with such a remarkable foresight that they accurately foretold the entire future of all mankind. Many scholars in different parts of India have in their safekeeping several Granthas. Initially, Nadi Astrology predictions was thought to be just writing on Astrology, but soon it became evident that the scriptures contained some unique predictions of specific natives, who will come seeking them, at a particular stage of their lifetime, as foretold by the Great Saint in these predictions.

    This great work makes us realize the limitations of human sciences. That great compilation predicting the future of all human beings born or yet to be born, eclipses the achievements of all other sciences put together. These predictive texts also contain a chapter recommending certain Pilgrimages or prayers, worship and charities at specific shrines, to neutralize ones past negativity.

    The origin of these palm leaves can be traced back to approximately 2000 years ago. It is presumed that the Sapta Rishis (Seven Sages) had written the life patterns of each person on palm leaves along with their types of names by their Yogic Powers. These unique leaves were kept in the Saraswati Mahal' library of Tanjore city of Tamilnadu State in India. Later during the British Rule the British were very keen to acquire these types of ancient leaves dealing with herbal cure, alchemy, fortune-telling etc; but left some of the astrological leaves to their loyalists. Some were put to auction also.

    People belonging to a particular sect called Valluvar community who specialized in astrology bought these leaves. Some of these were acquired by the astrology families in Vaitheeswarankoil about 60 years ago from Thanjavur Saraswati Mahal Library . The leaves were found lying idle in Vaitheeswarankoil during the 13th century. The forefathers found them, realized their values and copied the contents on palm leaves and made exact replicas.

    These leaves have been handed down over generations to make predictions. Astrolologers earned their livelihood through Nadi Astrology. It is a hereditary profession for them. They received training from their elders to do Nadi readings. What is written on the leaves is read and explained by them. The language is poetic and the script is also different. It is the same as in the ancient temples. Some of the Nadis are available in the Oriental Manuscripts Library at Chennai, India though in mutilated condition and the Sapta RishiNadi was published in Tamil in six volumes lagna wise .

    The Sanskrit texts were translated and written on palmyra or palm leaves in ancient tamil language. There were some nadigranthas translated into another South Indian Telugu language. Marata King Sarabhoji and Chola Kings patronized this form of astrology and translations. It is stated that Sage Agasthya has written in Tamil.

    For each thumbprint there will be 6 granthas (books). In each granthas there will be 108 sizes and 12 parts according to Siva Nadi and 50 sizes in Agastyanadi. This means for one thumbprint many stories of person can be read. In Siva Nadi more details are given as discussion between Lord Siva and Parvati than in Agastya Nadi .

    It seems that these Nadis were originally written on animal skins and some leaves and later they were copied on palm leaves. They were preserved by applying oil extracted from peacock's blood.

    The Nadi readers say that natives whose leaves are there will someway come to them at the appropriate age specified on the leaves from any corner of the world. Leaves are there not only for Indian but for foreigners also belonging to other religions. Whoever desires to look into the leaves will go to them on their own accord.

    The word Nadi in Tamil means; (destined) to come own accord. Those who are not destined may not even know such a type of astrology exists. Even the very age when the native is destined to go to them is marked on the leaves. Whoever is destined to come will come. Faith is the root of their system. It is also stated that about 40% of the people in the world only are likely to get these results.

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    More links for research

    http://www.nadiastrology.org/nadi-jothidam.php

    http://nadi-astro.net/

    http://www.templeilluminatus.com/for...tten-on-a-palm
    The above link is interseting as it explains that the leaves also tell of future events for humanity.

    Part Quote:

    The exclusive knowledge derives - so the legend says - from the Akashic Records or from the gods themselves. Naturally, the written text and the leaf itself don't last forever, so it was and still is necessary to transcribe the texts on new palm leaves repeatedly over the course of years.

    I found a (more or less precise) translation of a German article written by Thomas Ritter, who once made a trip to India and published his experiences regarding the divinations in his book "Die Palmblattbibliotheken und ihre Prophezeiungen zur Zukunft Europas" (2006) (Prophecies of Europe/libraries from palm leaves). The article deals with events beginning in the year 2011. The translation can be read here.

    An excerpt of Ritter's publication can be found on this site (beginning with "READINGS"). It also thematizes happenings before 2011.
    As always, one should be cautious when it comes to prophecies and the books written about them. If you're curious and want to experience your own nadi reading, be careful and gather information about the variant palm leaves libraries, so you might find a reputable one. End Quote:

    http://www.care2.com/c2c/share/detail/2711108
    Above is the link to the full translation of the previous link. events from 2011 onwards.


    http://cosmic-soup.com/akashic-records-nadi-leaves/
    Above is a personal testimony much like my own.

    My personal experience next post.

    Peace
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    When you express from a fearful heart in the now moment, You create a fearful future.
    When you express from a loving heart in the now moment, You create a loving future.

    Have no fear, Be aware and live your lives journey from a compassionate caring nurturing heart to manifest a compassionate caring nurturing future. Billyji


    Peace

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    Default Re: Naadi Shastra: My experience with Destiny

    This is part of my experience, I will add more detail as we go forward.


    2000 years ago in India 18 rishis and 7 sages were instructed by Lord Shiva through divine intervention to write down the genealogy from the original 12 tribes, which they say we are all descended from. After completion the scribes were asked to write down the future destiny of all souls. They are engraved on leaves from palm trees, preserved with peacock oil. They are Called NAADI SHASTRA. (Palm Leaf Astrology) they say it is a science using astrology.

    When I was guided to this Naadi family in 2002 after meeting someone, whose uncle was the priest that I was about to meet, in Leopold's Café in Mumbai (which was the café that was attacked by terrorist in December 2008), I was only curious about what I had heard, that there were leaves for every soul. Now there is a lot that I'm going to miss out, how I heard, how I met them, also divine guidance. I arrived, gave them my name, and 3 thumb prints from my right hand. The prints connect you to your tribe.



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    The priest said, "I'm going to ask you some questions, do not tell us anything about your self, just answer YES or NO, this part is identification and has to be 100% correct. Your mothers name is Elisabeth?"

    "YES."

    "Your fathers name is John?"

    "YES."

    "You are the eldest son but middle sibling?"

    "YES."

    He then told me in every detail, my sister, my brother, how many kids they had, I was married, divorced, my ex wife's name, my step son, my daughter, my work, how many blood relations were still living, the name of the woman I had fell in love with. Then he stopped and said that I would have to wait a while, they would get in touch with me after they had done a search in the library in the south of India. They took no money, I returned home thinking, that was amazing: "How did he know all my personal life, every detail?"

    * * * * *

    Well it was over 2 years later, before they got in touch again. I received an email, WE HAVE YOUR LEAVES, awaiting your instructions. It was November 2004. I purchased my ticket to leave January 2005. Boxing Day 2004 the Tsunami hit, the east coast of India was devastated.

    I thought, "Well I wont be going to that part as the Naadi family were near Mumbai, and I would stay in the west coast." I arrived in January. We had to go through the same procedure, mother, father etc., but then some more details. They told me that it was written on the leaves how old I was to be, before they could be read to me. That's why I had to wait over two years.

    "You move from house to house, you have no home for yourself."

    "YES, 20 moves in 7 years!"

    "In the last 2 years since you were last here, you have lost some belongings of great personal value."

    "YES, my 30 year music collection, all my personal documents, tax, insurance, pension, Education certificates, Years of photo's, and lots more. "

    The priest accepted the leaves belonged to me and would give the full reading, 14 chapters all about my life. I had the choice, abbreviated version or full version, every word in detail. It is written if you are allowed to hear the reading.

    "Full Monty for me," I said.

    The next part was recorded. "This is the word of God," he said, "I have to pray this out, my sister will translate as I am reading. The leaves are written in the ancient Tamil."

    He started reading and it was beautiful listening to him, chant every detail of my life, written 2000 years ago. He highlighted the problems in my life and why these were happening.

    "It has to do with your last life. You have had 7 lives and this will be your last. In your 6th life you were born in India." He told me my name, where and when I was born, my mother's and father´s names, how many brothers and sisters I had... Every detail of my last life. I had caused considerable pain to others in this past life.
    He then revealed I had managed to clear much of the Karma in this life at the age of 33, with the help of MOTHER MARY.

    Before the reading I wondered if this would be mentioned, as 20 years earlier in 1985, I had a divine experience with Mary in Bosnia.

    I was not a catholic but had a life changing experience, when Mary the mother of Jesus allowed me to see her arrive in the form of a light, coming down from heaven on top of a mountain. When this happened an aroma of what seemed to be a million fragrant flowers overwhelmed me. As this scent came into my being I was filled with overwhelming unconditional love.



    It is difficult to express but ALL my negativity from my past was lifted in one moment, a concrete weight lifted from me. I cried, "Please God never let me lose this feeling that is inside me at this moment."

    I thought everyone there must have seen the light come down, and that everyone could smell the scent that was so overwhelming. But no, only me, the only non-catholic amongst the 30 or so present during the apparition.

    One of the visionaries came to me afterwards and told me that Mary had come over to me, kissed my forehead and given me a special blessing. There is more to tell at this point but later.

    My eventual decision from this experience was to become a voluntary celibate, fasting twice a week, which lasted for 10 years.

    "Ah! That is how you have managed to clear much of the Karma, but you still have more to clear, and the leaves are giving you instructions to carry out, to clear all negativity from your past. If you decide to carry out the recommendations, then your future destiny will be fulfilled, and your life will be as follows..."

    The priest then proceeded to tell me a year by year account of my destiny; the name of my soul mate to come, when my parents would be no more, illnesses and accidents. He said: "You have met many great people in your life, so far (I have!). And you will meet many more."

    All details up until the day I die, (Evening)

    Everything he told me, was everything I ever dreamt of how I would like my life to journey, especially spiritually. There were four instructions. Two were to be carried out in temples. One with the help of the priest, who was giving me the reading, and had to be carried out on a full moon day. I was to take a garland of 108 flowers, 1008 one rupee coins in a copper pot and I was to be clothed in red garments. The second had to be carried out by the head priest, on my behalf in Tamil Nadu. The head priest would carry out a NAVAGRAHA POOJA, which is a nine day ceremony, involving the nine planets.

    A yantra made of copper would be made for me and Blessed in the Temple by the High Priest, then given to me after the Pooja was complete. I was then to take the Yantra home, and carry out a 48 day Pooja in my home, then place the Yantra in the sea or river. I was asked to do a pilgrimage to the holy mountain in the town I was born in my last life. Finally I was asked to get a baby fruit tree, and to plant it in a place I had never heard of, and say this prayer when planting: "As this tree grows, so the negativity of my past would be washed away."




    The whole experience was an overwhelming overload of information, but all recorded to listen in my own time. So I left and headed to my sanctuary in Gokarn, Karnataka, where Lord Siva left his heart. I have friends there where I rent a house, golden beaches, and temples. I sat on the beach listening and writing down everything. The more I listened, I would hear something I had not noticed before. I got so overwhelmed, at one point the emotion welled up, and I burst into tears, tears of joy, touched by God.

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    So after getting acclimatised, a bit of a tan, I decided I would carry out some of the instructions. I headed to the east coast to Tiruvanannamalai, in Tamil Nadu. The town I was born in my last life, a town I had been to before and fallen in love with. It was inland, so had escaped the Tsunami. I arrived 2 days later. I met an Indian family and the daughter spoke good English, so I asked her to listen to the tape and tell me where I was to plant the tree, as I could not make it out.

    "VELLAN GANNI," she said, "it is on the coast where the Tsunami has caused most devastation. Are you going to go?"

    "Yes I will go."

    She left and returned 2 hours later, with a baby banana tree from her sister´s garden.
    2 buses and about 8 hours travel, so I headed overnight. I saw on the map that it was not far from Tanjore, where one of the Naadi libraries was found under the temple by the Brits 300 years before. They had been lost for a 1000 years. The Brits stole the leaves then sold some of them back to the Brahman's, Keeping some of the leaves that had to do with medicines and technology.

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    So MY PLAN was to arrive, find a safe place, plant my tree quietly, and then leave after a few hours. Then head to Tanjavur. But DESTINY HAD OTHER PLANS FOR ME.


    Lady Of Vailankanni Apparition

    Because of collapsed bridges etc., 4 buses and 14 hrs later, I arrived in VELLAN GANNI, only to find it was a Christian community. A shrine to mother Mary. She had appeared there 300 years ago and healed a crippled beggar boy. It was huge churches, shrines, a collage of Marianology. I started looking for a safe place to plant, concrete everywhere, wild goats eating any bit of green they could find. I was exhausted after the trip.

    (I SHOULD TELL YOU THAT I STARTED TO RECEIVE INNER LOCUTIONS WHEN I WAS CELIBATE AND FASTING MANY YEARS BEFORE.)
    I was thinking: "Where am I going to find a place to plant my tree?"

    "RELAX BILLY, TAKE YOUR TIME. STAY FOR TONIGHT".

    "Ok ."

    I found a hotel and settled in. I took a room on the top floor, overlooking the sea. I was on the balcony when the manager came up.
    "That's where it came in," he said, "the Tsunami came, took everyone on the beach and at the stalls, two kilometers inland. The sea rose so high, it filled the church. Dead woman and children floating around the church. We thought it was the end of the world."

    The Tsunami had come only 4 weeks earlier. A massive clean up had been done, but on the faces of the people you could feel the trauma.

    I went out for a walk, looking for a place to plant. I was walking towards a small chapel, when I heard a woman shout: "OPEN THE GATE PLEASE."

    It was a nun and she was chasing a goat out of a garden. I opened the gate, only to see the most beautiful gardens in full bloom.
    I asked if I could walk through them. She said: "Yes, but please close the gates after you."
    I walked through the gardens thinking, maybe I could sneak in here later and plant my tree. It was walled and safe.

    "ASK FOR PERMISSION," I was instructed.

    "OK Lord."

    It was getting late, so I left. I returned next day and knocked on the college door, which the gardens belonged to. A nun answered.

    "Can I speak to the head priest, please?"

    "Come and wait, he will be back soon. He is saying Mass just now, 10 minutes and he will be back." I waited a while.

    "Has he not returned?" said the nun.

    "No one has come," I said.

    "I will go look. He is in the garden just wait."

    "OK," I said.

    After a while, she returned and said: "Is he not here yet?"

    "No."

    "I will go and get him."

    "OK," I said.

    So she returned with the priest. He came into the office, and said: "What can I do for you?"
    "Well I have a request, I want to plant a tree and I need it to be in a safe place. I want to ask if I could plant it in the gardens, maybe in a far corner out the way."

    "Are you a Christian?" he asked.

    I answered: "I believe in God, but I think religions are man made and bring division, it causes great problems in our world. I believe there is no religion or division in God, but 20 years ago I had an overwhelming experience in Bosnia, with Mary the mother of Jesus."

    "Why do you come here, with a tree?"

    "Well I came to India, and I had no intention of coming to the east where the Tsunami had hit, but I had a calling to come and plant a baby tree here. I did not know until I arrived, that this was a Christian community and a shrine of Mary's." (I thought it better not to mention the NAADI, as it was Hindu and tied in with Astrology. Being Christians, they would not understand. But I also wanted to speak the truth).
    I felt I was being guided. More so after my inner locution told me to stay, then ask for permission. The priest said: "I am busy just now. Can you come back in two hours and bring the tree with you?"

    "Yes, of coarse."

    I returned later.

    "Ah good, come in to my office. Mr. William, do you mind if a few colleagues come and join you planting the tree?"

    "Well, I was going to just do it on my own, but yes that's fine."

    We went outside and there..., waiting..., were many priests and nuns.
    I THOUGHT: "My God, what´s going on? This was not my plan..."

    "NO BILLY IT IS MY PLAN. JUST DO."

    "Ok ."

    We walked a short distance. The gardener had already dug the hole, right outside the head priest´s office. A metal cage had been made to protect the tree. I fully realized then that something divine was happening. I was being used by God. How wonderful.
    I took the sapling and laid it in the ground. I remembered at that moment that I had some blessed ashes in my wallet, that I had received from AMMA, a living Hindu saint I visited in Kerala before I started my journey. She is called the hugging mother. Her blessing is when she hugs you. She also kissed my forehead, then my cheek, which I was told was a special blessing. So I started to sprinkle the ashes in the hole.

    I heard a commotion behind me, I turned to see a very old nun pointing at me. She did not look happy. The priest said: "They want to know what you have there."

    So I told them that it was blessed ashes from a Hindu saint, I have NO DIVISION in me, and as at the start of lent we are purified with ashes, so I was purifying the ground and the tree.

    "Ok," he said, "carry on."

    I said my prayer, As this tree grows so the negativity of my past will be washed away. filled the hole and all was complete.
    I stood up and the priest asked if they could sing some songs of devotion. No problem. So they did. The priest said that after many deaths here, this tree symbolizes new growth and new life for us all.




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    He then asked if I would join them for some food. I had been fasting until I planted my tree, so I said: "Yes please." We started to walk through the garden back towards the collage, when the head priest put his arm around my shoulder: "Mr William I have a request to ask you now, WOULD YOU GIVE US ALL A TALK?"

    "I'm sorry but I don't understand... What do you mean? What can I say to all of you who have suffered so much? I am OK with a one to one, but I don't know what to say to you. Sorry but I cant do it." I was a little taken aback.

    "OK," he said, "we shall eat."
    Still walking towards the collage.

    "TALK TO THEM, TALK TO THEM, TALK TO THEM.
    YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY, TALK TO THEM."
    It was so loud and clear almost shouting.

    I said: " WHAT AM I GOING TO SAY?"

    Just then the priest said: "This is a collage where people come to learn about Mother Mary. You said you had an experience with Mary many years ago. I was asking you to share it with us."

    My inner locution again said: "TALK TO THEM, YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY."

    We are in the collage now. I said: "I don't feel that I want to, but God is telling me to talk. So I will try, but if I get nervous and my throat closes up, then I may have to stop."

    He beamed a huge smile, shouted in Indian some instructions, and I was led upstairs to a huge room like a hall. I was sat in the middle and everyone was in a half circle around me.

    "MY GOD, WHAT'S HAPPENING?"

    My knees were shaking. Give me a moment to gather my self. I went into a corner and prayed: "You have to guide me lord, give me the words to speak." I took some deep breathes and returned: "I Have been asked to share an experience with you all, I am not sure if I can express what I have experienced, but I will try."

    MY TALK

    30 years ago I married and we went to Turkey for our honeymoon. We visited Ephesus. On a mountain above the ancient city there was a small chapel, where Mary the mother of Jesus was meant to have spent her last days. I had my first real prayer in that chapel and drank from the blessed spring. It was 1975.

    Ten years later I ended up visiting a small village in Bosnia, where it was reported that Mother Mary was appearing to six young children.

    I was NOT a catholic, I was against the horrific history of the church, but was curious about the visions the children were experiencing. I was invited to be present at the apparition with the children, up on the mountain one evening.


    Shooting Star

    I was sitting with a group of about thirty people. It was a clear night with a full moon, you could see the lights of the village far below us, only rocks and gorse bushes around us. The children were next to me singing songs in Croatian. They stopped singing and started praying. I was thinking: "Well this is a nice place, a lovely clear night." Looking up, I noticed what at first I thought to be a shooting star.
    We see shooting stars in the west highlands of Scotland most of the time, but this star moved at great speed. It did an impossible 90 degree turn downwards, heading towards us. When it arrived, it disappeared. This all happened in a few seconds.

    At that moment the children stopped praying, all at the same time and they were having a conversation with someone only they could see. Their lips were moving, but no sound was coming out.

    I thought everyone must have seen the light coming down. Just then a scent started to surround me, a beautiful fragrance of flowers. It just got stronger, as I breathed it in I could feel it inside me, it was like breathing in an emotion. IT FILLED ME WITH A LOVE AND COMPASSION like I have never experienced in my life. It was so overwhelming, I started to cry: "PLEASE GOD, NEVER LET ME LOSE THIS FEELING I NOW HAVE," I prayed. I felt I became part of all of creation, not separate, but belonging to.

    It is difficult to put into words. All my past flashed before me, mostly negative things. I felt them being lifted and forgiven for them, a concrete weight being lifted from my shoulders. I thought everyone must have smelled the scent.
    Just then it was over, about 15 minutes had passed. The visionaries told us what the message was, then they looked at me and smiled. One of them came over to me, she said: "Our Lady came over to you and blessed you."

    Well I could not answer, no words to express what happened, just tears rolling down my cheeks. Nobody else had seen the light, or smelled the scent.

    A few days later I was asked to document my experience in a book at the parish church. After that, people were talking of a woman who was coming the next day, an Irish nun named Sister Briege McKenna. They were all excited that this nun was coming. Mother Mary had asked the children to contact her in Brazil, where she has a vocation to help the homeless, and to come to Bosnia to give her a private message. She is a great and gifted healer, she was healed herself a cripple in a wheelchair. She also has the gift to see into your heart, and is not shy to tell you where you are going wrong in your life. She wrote a book a few years ago, called 'Miracles Do Happen.' It tells her life story.

    When she arrived, crowds of people queued to have a minute with her. I was standing a distance away, watching, then I heard my name being called: "Billy come." It was Anita, an Irish woman who was talking to sister Briege. I walked over to them. As I was approaching, sister Briege put her hand out, I put my hand out to greet her, but she held my hand and put her other hand on my forehead. It felt like an electric shock went through me. I remember a crowd gather round me, more emotion rising inside, tears, and then only her voice: "BILLY AS YOU WERE WALKING TOWARDS ME, JESUS SPOKE TO ME. HE HAS A MESSAGE FOR YOU, JESUS HAS A SPECIAL MISSION FOR YOU. DO NOT ASK WHAT OR WHEN OR HOW, HE WILL LET YOU KNOW WHEN THE TIME COMES. JUST WHEN YOU RETURN HOME, YOU FOLLOW A PATH OF LOVE. BE A GOOD MAN, LIVE A GOOD LIFE." (There was more but I keep that to myself as it was personal).

    I met her five times during my stay there. Each time she told me more, and a prophesy for me. Also a warning about an attack that would come, if I followed the path I was being asked to follow. That attack came a few years later, as she had said.

    * * * * *

    The reason I went to Bosnia, was one message Mary had given to the children, that resonated deep within me. This is the message.

    THE MESSAGE

    So the Franciscan priests were being pressured by the Yugoslavian authorities to stop the nonsense. The priests were not sure whether to believe the children. The apparitions were happening everyday at the same time. The parish priest asked the kids, when you see Mary tonight, ask her who the most holy person in the village is. So the kids asked her. Mary gave them a name of an old woman.

    They took it to the priest. When he looked at the name he said: "This cannot be... Impossible... This woman is a Muslim. When you see Mary, tell her, this cannot be."

    So they said to Mary: "The priest says, this cannot be, this woman is a Muslim."

    This was her answer:
    "Dear children, religion is man made and brings division. In God there is no religion and no division, but you must have respect for all religions. This woman is not holy, because she is a Muslim, she is holy because she lives a life of God. When she wakes in the morning, she gives thanks for her day. When she works in the fields, she gives thanks for her crops. She prays for everyone, no matter what colour or religion they are. She goes to the mosque and also to the church. She gives thanks to God for sending Mary. She has no division in her heart. And the reason we know she is holy is, because her light shines the brightest, her light reaches to the highest heaven, for us all to see."

    Well I could not believe Mary was saying this. This is what I also believed.

    When I told this part of my talk to the priests and nuns, when I got to the part that the most holy woman was a Muslim, well I knew it would not go down too well, but there was only one gasp from a nun. I looked at her and repeated: "She was not holy, because she is Muslim, but because she lives a life of God."
    I told them that Mary had come as the Queen of peace, and to warn the people of the oncoming war. Due to the fall of communism that would also come. Her message to the world was, that through prayer and fasting we could change everything. We could stop wars, and even lesson the effects of natural disasters, just like the one you have all experienced here with the Tsunami.

    I know you have and are still going through the suffering of losing loved ones, family and friends. But I want to tell you all that we are living in very special times, our planet earth is going through the changes that are mentioned in the Old Testament and the New Testament. Our earth is in the pangs of labour, about to give birth.

    To look at this, it seems very painful as you all have seen. But with New Birth, there comes also a new life. The loss you have all experienced is not without reason. God has not abandoned you all, as some of you have told me, but everything is going according to the Divine plan. We all have to just hold on helping each other, in these times of tribulation and suffering. Then soon our earth will give birth to a New Way, a New Life, with no more pain and suffering. No more fear, only the unconditional love, that our Lord Jesus came to tell us about, and our Mother Mary never leaves our side. She is always here with you all, holding you as a mother holds her children. So my brothers and sisters, never lose faith. Hold fast and be strong, loving each other and helping each other.
    While I was talking, I was not really looking at anyone. My vision was focused on a point between me and the people. But after I said this last piece, I looked at the people. They were all crying, with huge smiles on their faces. Well that did it for me, the emotions just welled up from within me, and my throat closed, I managed to say: "Now I stop there." They all started clapping and crying at the same time.
    The head priest stood up and announced that everything I had said was within the teachings of the church. Even the Muslim woman, he said (they all laughed). He thanked me and said: "William, please come into my office for a moment."

    In his office he asked me to look at the pictures on his wall. Aerial photos of the shrine with thousands of pilgrims. He said: "That is normally how many people we have, coming here everyday. How many people have you seen, while you have been here?"
    "About 30 or 50," I said.

    "Since the Tsunami, nobody is coming. But people from all around the world have been sending money to help. I have been so busy counseling people who have lost loved ones, that I have had no time to know what programs to put the money into. Today I was meant to be in Delhi, to discuss this matter. I had another priest ready to say mass this morning to take my place, but this morning my Bishop phoned me, and said it was canceled. I asked: "Why?" He just said: "Another time." So I said mass after all. I came out from mass, walking back through the gardens, and I realized that for the first time since the Tsunami, I had no appointments. I stopped in the garden and prayed: "Well lord, what do I do today, everything has been canceled." Just then the Nun came to me and said that someone wanted to speak with me.

    And look what our Lord has done for me today," he said. "I am not just speaking for myself here, but everyone you spoke to. You were meant to come here, I was meant to meet you. You have given us all New life, a new beginning. We will look after the tree for you. Bless you and thank you."
    Well, I said my goodbyes, everyone waving to me. I was still crying, floating across the gardens, thinking: "WOW, thank you."




    I returned a year later, to see how my tree was growing and see the priest again. The tree was bigger than me. Name:  n687528473_1453155_7807.jpg
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    The Priest gave me a huge hug, and opened up a bit more. He said that he had been very depressed before my last visit. The horrors of the Tsunami. We thought the world had ended, He had been told not to take any students that year into the college, but the day I left his depression lifted. Then the Bishop phoned him, and said: "Take students," after all. "And now your tree will bring first fruit soon," he said, and asked if he could offer the first fruits to the Temple, (church).

    "I would be honoured," was my reply.

    We still keep in touch by email. He just sent me his first book that he has written. The title: 'Mary in the New Millennium'.

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    Billy,
    That was so beautiful and touched me deeply. I was meant to read this today. I cannot say in words but just know I have deep gratitude and joy.

    Bless,

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    What a wonderful story Billy. What took you so long to tell us all? Were you waiting for the right moment or something? Anyway my heart is warmer now that story has been told.

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    Thank you for this most intimate life story billyji. I read with tears and awe, breathless in certain moments, at the mystery that this human experience continues to be for us wandering and awakening spirits.

    In 2005, while traveling, I visited my former wife who had just returned from (northern) India and she had had a reading done similar to what you have described. Apparently her 'timing' was near perfect, for she did not have to wait for years (only a couple of months). The only parts that she shared with me, were about me, my entrance/exit into and from her life, and details of the purpose of our relationship. At the time I didn't know what to make of it and was left feeling a bit out of sorts that somewhere ~"out there"~ is a record of all that has happened and will happen here on this astonishing planet. Amazing!

    In gratitude and respect, may your journey continue to magically unfold as it clearly has thus far. I for one, would love to hear more about your experiences in Bosnia should you ever feel compelled.

    Blessings brother.

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    Beautiful story. Thanks for sharing it with us.

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    WOW! Thank you for this story. What a read and how enlightening.

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    Thanks, billy! How fortunate we are to hear your story!
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    Peace indeed Billy... Thank you.
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    Thankyou Billy!

    That was a most beautiful and uplifting story! And before reading your post i just read about the pyramids in Bosnia that Wind posted, called my father and said "I want to go to Bosnia this summer!". I also arranged a picture of Jesus (for the first time ever) and one of my father holding me when i was 1 year for a special purpose the other night
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    Such an amazing and touching story! Thank you for sharing it with us, Billy.
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    beautiful story billy, there is a great unfolding for you!
    unite, alright :hippie:
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    Thank you 4evrneo and everyone for the positive responses.

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    What a wonderful story Billy. What took you so long to tell us all? Were you waiting for the right moment or something? Anyway my heart is warmer now that story has been told.

    Stan
    Thank you Stan. I have lost count how many times i have began the process of sharing this on Avalon, only to back off last minute and not post the thread. Sometimes i am apprehensive about opening my heart up on a public forum, Encouragement came from Bill and the team not to hide my light under a bushel. I Took a deep breath and posted.

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    Quote Posted by Alekahn2 (here)
    Thank you for this most intimate life story billyji. I read with tears and awe, breathless in certain moments, at the mystery that this human experience continues to be for us wandering and awakening spirits.

    In 2005, while traveling, I visited my former wife who had just returned from (northern) India and she had had a reading done similar to what you have described. Apparently her 'timing' was near perfect, for she did not have to wait for years (only a couple of months). The only parts that she shared with me, were about me, my entrance/exit into and from her life, and details of the purpose of our relationship. At the time I didn't know what to make of it and was left feeling a bit out of sorts that somewhere ~"out there"~ is a record of all that has happened and will happen here on this astonishing planet. Amazing!

    In gratitude and respect, may your journey continue to magically unfold as it clearly has thus far. I for one, would love to hear more about your experiences in Bosnia should you ever feel compelled.

    Blessings brother.
    Thank you Alekahn and welcome to Avalon. I agree with you. Maybe we should enlighten the NSA that every deed and thought is already on record for all to see.

    One day i will expand more on Bosnia.

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    As some Avalonian's may know I do not believe that predictions are set in stone.

    When i asked the Naadi Priest if destiny was set, He said Destiny can be delayed (Even into the next life) or brought forward depending on the Spiritual advancement of the individual soul.

    I did not ask about timelines but i certainly shall when i meet them again. Hopefully not to far in the future as i still have a 15th chapter to be read to me. Very rare they said.

    I am going to post a list of Naadi predictions that concern all of humanity. Also very rare. For information only. For curiosity to see how things pan out. This was read to a German named Thomas Ritter. He said he received this reading in India on September 10th 2001. The day before 9/11. Whether this is true or not I do not know. He had been studying the Naadi since Feb 1993 in libraries in Bangalore and Madras.

    How he managed to receive this reading for ALL HUMANITY at all is beyond me. Unless It was written on the leaves that this man was to receive this reading when he arrived on that day which would also have been written on the leaves. As it is for any individual who inquires, The predictions go forward to the year 2049.

    I leave this to your own discernment.

    I will post in two parts. First part is an introduction from Patita Pavana das Adhikary,

    Found here. http://naadigranthbhavishyamarathi.b...-2012-and.html

    This edition of The Astrological Newsletter carries a series of predictions ostensibly taken from a collection of South Indian nadis. In the days of old, the great sages would ask their students to draw horoscopes and predictions upon wooden “leaves” or nadis detailing future events. Of course, the Bhrigu nadis are most famous, but I have also seen nadis from Shuka, Sapta-Rishi, Nandi, Sanat Kumar, etc. Naturally, I have no way to vouch for the authenticity of any of them, but from what I have understood from authorities, most are genuine, but there are forged specimens also. The one described hereunder has a mixed of a ring of truth with some obviously questionable elements. For example, nadi leaves do not speak of “the Western calendar” nor do they give dates from it. Neither do the nadis give modern country names like Bangaldesh.

    Ultimately, however, the Bhagavat’s prediction about Kali becoming king has now come true, and it is up to devotees to take evasive actions. Our point is that there are bleak days ahead, and devotees must prepare for them according to Prabhupada’s directions. For example, I heard that a devotee fireman was killed in the World Trade Center. In Chile, the recent earthquake has demolished the ISKCON center there.

    Regarding the “predictions” – call them what you like – below, in the 1990’s a German traveling in South India met one Pandit Ganesh Babu, a reader of nadis, who revealed a series of disturbing predictions regarding future events, spanning the bloody dawn of the 21st Century to around 2050. Whatever the circumstances behind the following, the subject matter of the world’s future is of urgent importance. No one will deny that we have entered into an era of great crises.

    We know that Washington, DC has never been shy about keeping citizens in the dark once the votes are counted as campaign promises dissolve. Shrila Prabhupada in his rare but insightful comments on demonic politicians pointed to the “false flags” of the sinking of the Lusitania, the Viet Nam War and the colossal “Moon landing” hoax. False flags are staged events that have been orchestrated specifically to bring about particular changes. That means events favorable to keeping the demons in power and the giant corporations who own the politicians in the black. Such attempts at hoodwinking the public are nothing new. Colonial Britain used false flags in India so that a tiny minority could divide, conquer and enslave the teeming masses. The Reichstag fire, a ploy which Hitler used as an excuse for seizing power, is said to have been set under Hitler’s despotic schemes. In the same way, America’s motives for invading Iraq and Afghanistan, do not add up. America’s War on Terror launched before the asbestos-laden clouds of dust settled over Manhattan falls way short of any reasonable arguments. Nothing about 11 Sept 2001 makes sense until, like a skeptical detective, you ask a few questions. Like, who stands to gain? And, what happens next now that every citizen has become a terror suspect in the tyrannical rise of the New World Order? Have Americans been tricked into voting for their own enslavement as a test pad for the rest of the world? It appears as though Rahu’s little corporate soldiers have made a giant leap forward in their world stranglehold towards their incremental dark era of totalitarianism.

    ECLIPSES: AND THE LOSS OF AMERICA AS WE ONCE KNEW IT

    JULY 4TH 1776: For many, the signing of the Declaration of Independence marked the beginning of America as a country. Historians agree that this was carried out in the morning. The Moon changed from Capricorn into Aquarius at 8:04 am by topocentric (actual) positioning, which was 2hrs. 13min after Sunrise giving these disciplined and punctual men plenty of time. Since America reflects the qualities of Capricorn more than Aquarius, a socialistic sign, I have accepted Capricorn as the Moon sign of the nation.

    Since 16 Aug 2008 there have been five eclipses in Capricorn, an extraordinary number of celestial foretellings that cannot be ignored:

    Recent Eclipses in Capricorn
    2008 Aug 16: Partial Lunar Eclipse
    2009 Jan 26: Annular Solar Eclipse
    2009 Jul 07: Penumbral Lunar Eclipse
    2009 Aug 06: Penumbral Lunar Eclipse
    2010 Jan 15: Annular Solar Eclipse
    No omen speaks of the work of Rahu more poignantly than an eclipse. Rahu is so vile that he attacks the very eyes of God, the Sun and the Moon by which the Lord blesses the earth with food and light. Rahu rules smoke and smoky situations, clandestine plots, things that encompass and ensnare through the most deceptive of measures. Hence, these five recent eclipses in Capricorn reveal a stunning array of problems for America. And as one government insider said (paraphrase) “If there are problems, you can bet that somebody upstairs caused them in order to invoke solutions advantageous to the powers that be.” The financial collapse, the depression, the loss of jobs, the smokescreen arguments over health care when hundreds of thousands are being mercilessly slaughtered by our own sons and daughters: all these are distressing. But considering that they are manipulated and that the fixes will be worse than the problem are causes for genuine concern. The time to take action is now.

    At the end of the following essay on future events supposedly from the Sapta Rishi Nadi, I have suggested a few eye-opening documentaries that I consider worthwhile viewing. Bear in mind that none of the films offers a viable solution, even though each offers credible research in identifying problems. Neither are any of them alone, Shrila Prabhupada eloquently addressed these issues in his earliest issues of Back to Godhead. And His Divine Grace also identified solutions so crucial that the very fate of the entire world hangs upon carrying out those instructions of Krishna’s representative.

    First, there must be reinvigorated chanting of the holy names “in every town and village”. Sankirtan is the yuga dharma and there is no other yagña that will truly please the Supreme Personality of Godhead Lord Shri Krishna. This means visibly chanting Hare Krishna, clanging karatals, beating mridangas and distribution of literature in dhotis and saris. Second, devotees must make immediate plans to carry out Shri Guru Maharaja’s instructions regarding varnashram dharma. Our salvation will come in the form of an agrarian-based implementation of “simple living and high thinking” with no dependency on oil. When Krishna has given us Mother Earth, the cow and the bull to satisfy our needs, what is the use of man-made hells in the form of polluted cities?

    Thanks for reading this,

    Yours in Krishna consciousness,
    Patita Pavana das Adhikary, Ed.

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    When you express from a fearful heart in the now moment, You create a fearful future.
    When you express from a loving heart in the now moment, You create a loving future.

    Have no fear, Be aware and live your lives journey from a compassionate caring nurturing heart to manifest a compassionate caring nurturing future. Billyji


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    The 21st Century According to the Sapta Rishi Nadis

    From the German original: “Die Palmblattbibliotheken und ihre Prophezeiungen zur Zukunft Europas”
    Translated by George Vodvárka.

    According to legend, the library was created more than 5,000 years ago by seven holy rishis. They apparently wrote biographies of about 80,000 people who will come to ask their fate. About ten percent of these leaves apply to persons born out of India. In the course of centuries, several copies of the original text were done, so that today there are 12 libraries of palm leaves, located in different places of the Indian subcontinent.

    These palm leaves each have a dimension of 6 x 46 cm. Written upon them are the fates of people who come to them to ask about the future life. The questioner’s fate is apparently recorded on both sides of the strip sheet palm. The letters are reportedly only about 1 mm high, and to the untrained eye, are not easily distinguishable. In these tiny letters one can find all the details of his life, including information of his parents and siblings, life partner and children, profession and certain physical characteristics and possible shortcomings. Modern concepts are sometimes figuratively translated. For example, the driver as a profession defined as “a vehicle manager”.

    Sometimes in the palm sheet, the name of the person is recorded and also the names of his close relatives; if at the time of his visit still alive. In many sheets are written in advance and the date and name of the person who visits the library. According to von Buttlar the visitor usually is confronted with two sheets. The first give the name, details of his life as well as data on previous incarnation. If specific information relating to the life agrees, the Nadi interpreter reads from the second sheet also its future. There is the Bhrigu-samhita and the Shuka Nadi.

    According to an article in Magazine Esotera, year 1992/8, Johannes von Buttlar says that the library in Bangalore stores 3,665 "bundles palm leaves", each of which consist of 365 palm leaves.

    The interpretation of palm leaves in the family apparently a tradition transmitted from father to the oldest son. The particular copies I analyzed with c14 system where 350 years old.

    I started to investigate the nadi leaves in Feb of 1993 in libraries in Bangalore and Madras. From the palm leaf nadis, each person receives only the information which may help his personal spiritual growth. Just in case that his karma is one of active participation in the political life of the country and for helping the future; one receives the necessary information from the relevant volumes of palm leaves.

    There was some doubt initially raised in me in the context as to whether I have the right to publish the content of these prophetic texts palm leaves. In discussions with Ganesha Shastri and other interpreters of palm leaves in Madras and Bangalore, however, I came to the belief that it is my task in this life, to try to make this information accessible to as many people as possible. This obligation for me is already clear from the fact that I received an extraordinary honor and I could get these rare prophetic manuscripts.

    These Bhrighu Nadi readings were done by Ganesha Babu Shastri to Thomas Ritter from old Tamil palm leaves in his Nadi center in Madras, on Sept 2001. The information is originally published in a book in German language in 2006, and then translated into Czech language.

    READINGS

    The palm leaf text volume "prophesied" contains forecasts concerning the further development of Europe and western hemisphere starting on second half of the 20th century. First, there was a chapter in general terms of essential features of the development of the western world in the coming decades. The following passages deals with the detail of the various aspects – politics, economy, social conditions, military conflicts and health problems.

    The preliminary information Mr. Shastri gave me established the belief that the manuscript is only a small part of an originally much larger work. The very purpose of these is to warn of upcoming events that will have a global reach.
    "...The eleventh day of the ninth month of 2001, according to the western calendar there will be a crime without precedent. The crime scene is a most important city of the east coast of the northern part of US continent: The goal of crime will become a great building, considered a symbol of the western world. The construction consists of two high towers. These towers attacked by vimanas (airplanes). Two of them are thrown directly to the tower and causes huge damage. The Towers tumble, but however, not due to the vimanas' impact, but by deliberate and targeted explosions inside each of them. In the attack die thousands of persons. Millions of people worldwide will be shocked by the offense.

    "In the capital city of the country of this attack will be made one raid. The High command military forces quarters as attacked by heavenly arrow (a missile rocket - note. G. S.). The public will be informed that in the building (meaning the Pentagon - note. G. S.) will be found also a vimana. However, this is not true. Similarly, a false report said that hostile warriors abducted one vimana crew. However, passengers offered resistance and the vimana eventually falls in some uninhabited area. This vimana will actually be a shooting rocket, close to the summer place of the ruler of the country. The ruler of the state shortly afterwards accuses the conspirators of the Arab-European countries of the attack and proposes a war; this threat comes a little later.

    "He will be aware that the allegations raised are not based on truth. In fact, he will know in advance about the attacks, and on the preparations involving people in the area. Crime will not benefit the conspirators, but to he himself, and the people will be at that time doubtful whether his coming to power was done in a legal way. After the attack, however, this issue will not be addressed. The crime will fulfill its purpose.

    "Rulers of the Western powers will have the opportunity to unleash several other wars, designed to promote their own power interests. These wars will be held seemingly in the name of peace, security and freedom."
    This scary reading I got the late afternoon on the 10th September 2001.
    "On the seventh day, the tenth month of 2001, according to Western U.S. calendar, war will begin against Afghanistan by deploying a large Air Force, by the ruler of the United States to justify the fight for freedom and security of their country. In fact, the U.S. gains control of the land and its resources. The U.S. accuses a local tribal chief and their military units. Afghanistan is a country torn for several decades and wars of armed conflicts. There's poverty, hunger, and disease. Words of the politicians on peace are just empty phrases; the country continues to suffer a civil war. Children cannot play or go to school. Afghanistan was formally independent, with a free elected government, that government was not in fact dependent on foreign powers.

    "The United States participate in the military campaign in this country along with many other states. Description of events in Afghanistan continues in several other palm leaves. Initially it appears that the U.S. campaign is successful; however, their plans fail in the long-term. In the period from 2008 to 2012 U.S. gradually withdraws from Afghanistan and will have to admit its defeat.

    "In the eight month of 2002, Western calendar the east and the south of Germany will be affected by floods, which will extend to either surrounding countries. As a result of unusual reasons, there is an increase of the level of many rivers in eastern and southern Germany, so they flow out of their shores. Floods come quickly and unexpectedly. Causes considerable damage, destroy houses, bridges and communications.

    "Many people lose their homes and a large part of their property. However, due to the solidarity of other large populations and rapid action offices, the consequences of the flooding will not be too dramatic. It will take two to three years to fix the damages. The prophetic palm leaf manuscripts also inform that in Europe there is yet a pending a wave of terrorist attacks of an unseen scale. The eleventh day of the third month of 2004, according to Western calendar, in the capital of Spain there are several attacks, using explosives. The aim of the attacks will be urban vehicles. More than 200 people will die and several thousand will be injured.

    "In the last month of 2004, according to the Western calendar South East Asia will be affected by a huge disaster. Under the west of Sumatra island sea bed there is a strong earthquake. This earthquake causes a huge flood wave, which propagates to large coastal areas of Sumatra, Thailand, Bangladesh, India, Sri Lanka, the Maldives and even East Africa. Kills more than two hundred thousand people among them many foreigners, including from Europe. However, most affected will be the local population. Millions of people come on the roofs with all their assets. The report on this disaster, however, cause wave of solidarity throughout the world and to the affected area start flow-aid money, in kind donations, and rescue teams of doctors.

    "Germans will become donors, because they will still live the memory of the floods that hit their own country. Anyway the effects will last three years, before the worse of the disaster is healed. Much of the aid is not reaching the needy people, but will end be in the hands of the unjust, using them as goods for sale. Sumatra recovery will be very long, because the complicate civil war situation on the island. The submarine earthquake against the coast of Sumatra but will be only the first in a number of disasters, which incoming decades will affect not only Asia, but also other parts of the world.

    "For 2005, it contains other important forecasts: one week after some religious holidays of one of the two main Christian churches (the Easter means - note. author) the leader of the Church dies, which stood in the forefront of more than twenty years. (Pope John Paul II. Actually died on 2 April 2005 week after the Easter holidays.) His death will cause great sadness and participation among the believers of this church, but also other religions shows how much respect they acquired for this man. The successor of the deceased and the new head of the Christian Church becomes a man who for many years belonged to the earliest collaborators of the deceased and for many years held one of the highest offices of this Church. The new leader will be in functions surprisingly quickly, and the new man leads the church forward in the same spirit of the late predecessor. The new main representative of the Church will come from Germany and its name will be "Blessed". And shall remain in the highest office for about eight years."
    The manuscript future of Germany and Europe speaks about general disillusionment. People will elect a new leader, but he will be no better than their predecessors. The gap between the rich minority and the poor majority will continue to deepen, and to show up at a faster pace. More and more people will be without work. Their work will be done by machines. This shall not apply only in Germany, affects other European countries, in fact it will to some extent, a global problem. General people will be burdened by greater burden of taxes and various levies and charges. Owners of large factories and shops will have on the contrary, continuously growing profits, they will do what they want, living as in a fairy tale.

    The simple people will be seen as slaves and the new factories will be established only where it will be possible to pay the hungry low wages and the local rulers will receive rich gifts. Ordinary citizens will afford less and less and will be satisfied with cheap mass entertainment the institutions offer. They listen to music, watch TV and play computer games. (Here the terms are text interpretation formulations - footnote. author.)

    Mass entertainment will be aimed at providing the minimum value. People will be presented a kind of a virtual reality, to forget how bleak for them is in reality the world in which they live, to make their daily life filled with existential worries, tolerable. People will pay attention to what will be free fun for them, to what is really important for them. This keeps them in a gross materialism; and the Mayic illusion will celebrate victory. As a result, a worse situation will continue to increase and make people uncertain. Many of them will realize that the system in which they live is ceasing to function properly. This will start major changes. Epoch called Kali-yuga reaches to an end and will be replaced by a better age, Satya-yuga. However, the end of Kali-yuga will be linked to large disturbances and the resistance of certain quarters against the new tendencies. Many people will loose perspective and use violent speech. These people are totally focused on the material values and will look backward instead of a forward view; they will complain of better times past and the future will appear for them as completely hopeless.

    There is a call for a strong ruler who would eradicate all wickedness and punish properly the perpetrators. But a number of despotic rulers in European countries and Germany actually come to power because the wish by the people. This occurs in the years 2019 to 2046, Western calendar. However they soon realize that this solution is not proper. Gradually they begin to understand that a real change will be achieved only if they assume responsibility for their own lives and the lives of his closest people and neighbors.

    This knowledge, however, will lead a long way, but even more will be required for the practical path of this knowledge. After a continued disintegration of values and social structures, positive social changes in Europe and Germany do not appear before 2048 Western calendar. Initially, the people will help itself, or even at the expense of others. Only when the situation becomes completely hopeless, they will realize that they can survive only if there is cooperation among all. Since public authorities will not be able to help, mutual assistance and solidarity between the families will be the distinctive characteristics of the new age.

    THE END OF SUPER CAPITALISM

    Most European nations are part of the same political and economic system, like Germany. The EU Community was originally founded by six countries with the aim of improving conditions of the population by trade liberalization and industrial development production. Over time, other countries joined. There will be a common currency. However, the larger the EU becomes, the more difficult will be to govern it and achieve the objectives which the individual nations wish. The EU Community serves primarily the interests of powerful corporations.

    In 2004, the Western calendar there is a further large extension of the community by a number of states of Eastern Europe joining. Until 1989 Western Calendar these countries lived under a completely different system and large part of their population is poor. New country members hope that their membership in the Union will bring greater prosperity. However, it remains only a hope. Powerful forces in the European Union control the situation only to be ruthlessly enriched. They all promise equality; however, for most people this will mean equality in poverty.

    The ruling circles do not fulfill their promises at the end. While various European countries participate alongside the Americans in some military operations against oriental countries, ordinary citizens will begin the first public protests. In 2005 western European calendar, rulers try to enforce basic uniform laws for the whole community, but it fails. In two countries, the majority of people refuse this common law. (In a referendum organized in the Netherlands and in France people actually rejected the so-called European Constitution - note. author.) This is caused a by prolonged crisis in which the system falls apart. Since the living conditions of people will deteriorate, the year 2004 by the Western calendar is becoming increasingly socially conflictive. On one hand, people seek refuge in the circle of family or close friends, on the other will be subject to spontaneous manifestations of discontent, that will often be directed against groups of foreign immigrants.

    Since 2007 Western calendar there will be protests of people in general, mainly in large cities against the politics of the government and the powerful 'captains of industry. First it appears that these protests have the intended effect on the political leaders; finally however, it will be just a false impression. The situation will further deteriorate and governments will begin to lose control to ensure safety and public order. Economic situation will get worse as immigrant people will come to Europe in large numbers from other parts of the world, fleeing from crop failures, famine and civil war.

    AFTER 2010

    From 2011 western calendar, the crisis deepens since in the U.S. and in Europe money will lose its value fast. This will result in wrong economic and financial policies based on fake basis – on the assumption of hopes for a continuous economic growth. Influential circles in the U.S. and Europe believed for decades that the world is governed by the selfish benefit of some greedy people. However, people do not have knowledge of this and become victims of cruel illusion physical world game – Maya’s veils. Earthly world is not infinite nor are its borders, or human happiness nor there unlimited economic growth.

    In 2012 the U.S. financial system collapses. The state will no longer be able to pay its employees. This will lead to a chain response and chaos in the society as a whole. Many shops, factories and banks will become bankrupt, more and more people will be without work, and thus without livelihoods. In cities there will be social unrest and looting, and armed gangs in the countryside. People will die. The government tries to get the situation under control, deploying its army; however, it succeeds only partially. The economic situation leads to conditions that will resemble a civil war.

    This situation will last until mid 2017. Then a military force from a friendly country from the north maintains order again. The riots will be the largest since the Civil War in the 19th century, but north and south will not fight against each other, but east and west United States. The decline of the U.S. economy and the depreciation of the U.S. currency seriously hits Europe, in particular Germany, which is largely dependent on exports. Inflation in Europe reaches proportions as in the United States, and its implications, especially for poorer sectors of the population, is catastrophic. Many people will live in real poverty. In big cities in Europe, unrest breaks out, there will be looting, and the aim of the attacks of the discontented crowds will be the public buildings and offices. The situation, however, is not as dramatic as in the U.S. because in Europe the private possession of weapons is not so widespread. The police and army maintain the situation fairly intact.

    As a contrast, in America, soldiers and police go without payment, and will often revolt. In European capitals there is a storm, whose target are mostly foreigners who have settled in the past. Especially bloody fights break out in Paris, Rome, Madrid, London and Prague. In Rome, people attack and take the head seat of the Catholic Church. The Pope initially manages to flee, but later falls into the hands of rebels who trap him.

    The riots in Germany and Europe continue to autumn 2016, up to the intervention of Russian and Chinese troops, which will be solicited by European governments, as they will not be able to keep control. Least affected countries will be Russia, China and India, because their economic systems are mutually supportive.

    MOTHER EARTH DEFENDS HERSELF

    Since 2017 the situation will be somewhat calmer, but only seemingly. There will be new challenges and immediate dangers. While the war will be avoided, a changing climate becomes rapidly an acute threat. The average annual temperature will continue to increase. The Gulf current, which brings billions of tonnes of tropical waters to the north areas begin to lose strength and changes its direction. This will be due to the fact that the Atlantic Ocean gets huge quantities of fresh sweet water from the melting polar ice, as well as Antarctic Ice Sheet Polar Regions. As a result of this climate changes, there will be in the U.S. a disastrous drought affecting its south; while in China in some areas there will be extensive floods. Scandinavia transforms into an ice desert, while coastal countries will be threatened by rising sea level such as Netherlands and Bangladesh. Millions of hungry refugees will leave their homes and seek asylum in richer countries. These events occur from 2029 to 2034 Western calendar.

    Ice storm will slash areas of northern Europe, devastating storms and floods affecting coastal states. Forests will die low areas of the coast of Northern and the Baltic Sea freeze and becomes a tundra. Dramatic changes in climatic conditions throw nations and their governments in a desperate situation. A lack of fuel will erode progressive international cooperation and peace agreements. Again armed conflicts breaks out, all continents will be desolated by a war of raw materials and foodstuffs. Within a few years, the world comes on the border of a total anarchy.

    Countries with unstable governments, like Pakistan in a desperate struggle for raw materials and foodstuffs will have temptations to use its nuclear arsenal. In 2029 there may be another war between Pakistan and India. There is a greatest danger threatening the two fighting parties to deploy nuclear weapons, which would result in complete devastation of large areas of India and Pakistan.

    As Central European countries will not have enough sufficient strategic stocks, the authoritarian rulers decide to deploy lethal gases in order to reduce the population. The overcrowding as a result of the influx of immigrants from all over the world, becomes a large problem and the political leaders will considered it the main cause of existing problems. Especially Great Britain will widely use gas to bring a quick and painless death. However, due to the extensive cooling of the earth's atmosphere, which is due to the collapse of Gulf Stream, and the glaciation of large areas of North America and Scandinavia, it will take several years for the Gulf current to start to circulate again.

    After this, there is a certain stabilization climatic conditions. This happens from the year 2035. Gradually, agricultural yields improve, the harvest will be richer and there is a pacification of the social unrest. Moreover, in years when the world is affected by natural disasters a political confusion, epidemic diseases break out again, which are considered as already eradicated. Millions of people fall victim as a result of poor sanitary conditions, caused by a civil war that will rage epidemics of plague and cholera. Global climate change in turn causes health problems of another kind. Especially in Africa and Asia, but also in some areas of Europe more intense solar radiation produced upon the skins of both humans and animals in the form of tumors.

    After 2018, another strange disease will kill hundreds of thousands of human lives in U.S., Europe, Asia. The infected person easily gets ill by normal diseases such as colds, as their organism, is unable to deal with them. Death usually arrives within three days. (Ganesh Babu Sastri called the disease by an English acronym RISC - Rapid Immune System Collapse, the accelerated collapse of the immune system - author’s note) In most cases the disease causes death. After the year 2023 in Europe, some African refugees bring a fatal disease called Kunu. Weak people get a high fever and their internal organs cease to work in a few days. The sickness will be deadly and will spread as fast as flu. But two years before the outbreak of the epidemic, they will discover the parasite worms in the blood. Internal organs get affected, especially the heart and liver; and the infected person dies within a week. This disease is transmitted by animal food.

    The biggest disaster happens in 2046. Although unnoticed by astronomers, closer to our planet a planet will approach from the depths of space. This asteroid, whose path in space enters in our solar system, between earth and the Moon, will just miss the earth. Several days before, the asteroid becomes visible in the sky to the naked eye. The gravitational force causes many earthquakes and massive flooding on the earth. California will be affected by its largest earthquake in their entire history. Also Japan and China will be affected by strong earthquakes and large parts these countries will be covered by ocean water. Earthquakes will also affect Europe, mostly Germany, England and the Mediterranean area. Over the coast of Northern and Baltic Sea there is a huge flood wave. In Bohemia a volcano wakes up to life, considered long ago as extinct. Its eruptions will spread far wide. During the eruption there will also be released large amounts of volcanic and poisonous gaseous clouds of condensate rain and the lands will become very corrosive. As a result of the wounds, millions of people will be killed. In affected areas of Central Europe large part of cities will be destroyed.

    THE WORLD AFTER 2048

    Immediately after this disaster, those who survive will be cleaning up and doing disinfection work, as it will be necessary to remove mountains of corpses human and animal carcasses to avoid new epidemics. There will be a large demand for daily needs that was destroyed or lost, due to natural disasters.

    The climate changes in Central Europe will stay permanently. The average annual temperature will remain high and the snow in winter will be only in mountainous areas. For agriculture the change will be advantageous, there will be richer harvest, and yields will increase. The tectonic activity changes the face of the whole Earth. Some coastal areas and islands will disappear permanently below the level of the seas and oceans. Japan will be particularly affected, California, Eastern coast of North America and certain areas of England. At the same time, from the water of the Atlantic Ocean emerges new land. Economic rehabilitation will take place relatively quickly. However the brake will be the lack of primary energy sources, as many of the raw materials will not be easily available.

    After this, the economy starts to recover. At that time in Europe a new society will be formed, based on the personal freedom of individuals, which in turn will be linked to the needs of society and to meet its needs. People will learn a lesson by the recent events and becomes aware that selfish motives can endanger the very existence of the whole community. A new society will spread from the Atlantic coast to the east coast of Asia; and each of the areas, however, retain their own characteristics. All regional matters will be decided by local governments without having to wait for the authorization of a remote authority.

    The new constitution will guarantee all citizens of a Eurasian Union, external safety and internal sovereignty. The economic base of the new society will be a non-interest financial system which will be tested and then permanently established in year 2048. [Note: Arab Bank lends money interest-free now, because the Koran forbids taking interest; banks instead of account only for fees for processing the loan conditions and accounting. Incidentally, the Bible also prohibits lending money at interest.]

    The prosperity of the new society will be maintained by the use of a particular kind of an alternative energy source. This source was discovered in Europe and studied the beginning of the 20th century, but its practical wide application comes now. This energy will be named after its discoverer. This energy does not harm the environment as previously used energy sources. It will also be available to almost an unlimited extent and its use will be free. Soil and water resources will not be kept as private properties. People will realize that no one can claim proprietorship for something that already previously existed. However, everyone will have the right to have ownership of a house, whether bought or built.

    After 2049 people will have knowledge that they are not alone in the universe. Repairing the damage caused by natural disasters in Europe and the Middle East, artifacts will be found, which will clearly demonstrate to the public their extraterrestrial origin. This discovery will have far-reaching impact on religious and philosophical systems. The period since 2049 bears a sign of a new beginning, a spiritually-oriented age forthcoming Satya-yuga.

    Distributed via the internet by Thomas Ritter -
    Prophecies of Europe / Libraries from Palm Leaves
    [From the German original: “Die Palmblattbibliotheken und ihre Prophezeiungen zur Zukunft Europas”]
    Translated by: George Vodvárka. Pub. Jochen Kopp, Rottenburg (2006),
    www.dialog-lhc.cz • e-mail: knihy@dialog-lhc.cz
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    Whether or not the above predictions are reliable, I cannot say, except where the coincide with Shrila Prabhupada’s prophetic description of a mini-Satya Yuga, the worldwide spread of Krishna consciousness. They are passed along to you as a matter of general interest in order to stimulate your understanding of the great need for devotees to find a safe environment in the coming crises. What we know is that the cities and the artificially-created oil-dependent “prosperity” must come to an end, and end – sooner rather than later. Alongside these harsh realities, shadow governments are vying for world domination using so-called elected “fall-guys” to play “world leaders”

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    When you express from a fearful heart in the now moment, You create a fearful future.
    When you express from a loving heart in the now moment, You create a loving future.

    Have no fear, Be aware and live your lives journey from a compassionate caring nurturing heart to manifest a compassionate caring nurturing future. Billyji


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    Uhm... Be happy, don't worry?
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    Yes Wind i agree. Be happy and be the change you want to see.

    The near future looks a tad bleak according to the Naadi forecast. But they were looking down a timeline between 5000 and 2000 yrs ago. personally i do not believe we are going to have to go through another 35yrs of deceit, wars and man made sufferings before humanity achieves peace on earth.

    If we are working together as a human race we can get through earth changes and natural Catastrophes. We cannot prevent those but i believe we can lessen the effects using our consciousness.

    As i said here referring an individual
    Quote Posted by billyji (here)
    As some Avalonian's may know I do not believe that predictions are set in stone.

    When i asked the Naadi Priest if destiny was set, He said Destiny can be delayed (Even into the next life) or brought forward depending on the Spiritual advancement of the individual soul.
    I would say this is the same for humanity as a collective. We can bring forward the long awaited peace on earth by the acceleration of our collective consciousness.

    How do we achieve this. I thought this was good advice from the only planet of Choice.

    Quote Posted by billyji (here)

    What is important is to balance yourself. It is the merging of the physical with the spiritual that is the manifest purpose of humankind. But humankind has confused itself by remaining in its density and not correctly viewing the nature of its spiritual self.

    It is misinterpreted and misguided by some of the religious leaders of your world, who attempt to control humankind – and the religions that would wish to deny the physical are not in balance, as also are those of the physical who wish to deny the spiritual.

    When you accept, understand in totality, with complete trust and faith in self, in your connections with the Universe, then you bring about the balance and are no longer in bondage. Through the mental process of mind. If you disconnect the mind from what it is holding on to, it will be free. This disconnecting can go by stages, so that you can develop trust and faith in your ability to maintain your inner connection with the Universe. Then you will be free. When the critical mass begins in humankind, when enough of your souls are becoming free, then the space vehicle of Earth moves into its evolutionary fulfillment.



    Know this, that with acceleration due to each human's involvement, it will come quickly and will not be in devastation, as it would be if such acceleration came by itself, by force of circumstance, without your involvement.


    You understand, when there is a change that is coming upon Earth, and when there is a loosening up of confinement, that which confines attempts desperately to confine even more?


    Know this: you all have come to Earth to beautify it, to purify it, to love it and to be in joy with it. Know this: that in your time, through your and others' dedication, through the quality of your being upon Planet Earth, you may bring it to the fulfillment of its creation.

    The cosmic aspect of this drama is to save Earth in which many souls are trapped.

    it is not the Creator that has punished, but humankind has punished itself, for they touched in truth the knowledge of who they were, and it frightened them, for they knew that they were not in the state to comprehend completely. It became necessary then to populate Earth, so that all the cells of the Creator could become individuals and free souls, in order for them to become one in unity and harmony by choice.

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    Quote Posted by billyji (here)
    Accelerating Earth Evolution

    I think the most important question to people on Earth at this time is, what can they as individuals do, and how can they as individuals make things different, so that our planet fulfils its destiny?

    First and foremost they must recognize that each of them contains the entire universe within themselves. Each of them contains all creation. Therefore when they understand that, then hopefully they will understand that if they go against their own integrity, the integrity of the Universe may be affected.

    They must consult within themselves for their motive in all actions; they must learn to love themselves, and the only way they may love themselves is never to do what they will dislike themselves for. What is important is that each person upon this planet earth must understand that there is existence elsewhere.

    They must understand that they hold the key to the evolutionary process in the Universe. It is a time of awakening. It is a time to understand that within the self they hold the key for bringing Earth to its fulfillment and that free will is never interfered with; the destruction of Planet Earth is not necessary. This must be understood clearly, for the free will of humankind can bring fulfilment to Earth.


    It is true that Earth is on the threshold of transformation. It is on the threshold of releasing souls and beings from bondage, so they may continue to elevate, and purify Earth so the Universe may continue its path.

    It is a glorious time right now to live on your planet in physical form. Know always that this energy of individuals will remain individual, but what will be understood is the power of thought, the energy of love, the power that humans hold within themselves to make your world a representation of the Universe. Your world is a glorious place for all portions of the Universe to exist, and to fulfill, and to be at one with creation, in great joy.

    Know fully that you hold the key within yourself, each of you humans, to bring about change. It is your responsibility, your free will, your choice.
    peace
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    Have no fear, Be aware and live your lives journey from a compassionate caring nurturing heart to manifest a compassionate caring nurturing future. Billyji


    Peace

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    It is a glorious time right now to live on your planet in physical form. Know always that this energy of individuals will remain individual, but what will be understood is the power of thought, the energy of love, the power that humans hold within themselves to make your world a representation of the Universe. Your world is a glorious place for all portions of the Universe to exist, and to fulfill, and to be at one with creation, in great joy.

    Know fully that you hold the key within yourself, each of you humans, to bring about change. It is your responsibility, your free will, your choice.


    ...and it IS coming to fruition as never before, now, Billyji...Thank You!

    Prompts of Helping Others in Our day to day meet ups to 'shine their own light' is going exponential...whether it be a word or smile or eye contact to show each and all they are worthy is changing business 'as usual' to business 'as unusual' in the highest of aspects!

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    It was a good thing you had recorder with you. Thank you for sharing your experience of Naadi Shastra with us. An enjoyable read, Billy.
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