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    Some pictures taken on the 16th Feb on the build up to the grand finale of Shiva's flying chariot being pulled through the streets.
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    When you express from a fearful heart in the now moment, You create a fearful future.
    When you express from a loving heart in the now moment, You create a loving future.

    Have no fear, Be aware and live your lives journey from a compassionate caring nurturing heart to manifest a compassionate caring nurturing future. Billyji


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    So much "history" we know nothing of!! It is wonderful to see these people keeping alive what has been handed down for generations!

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    Crowds begin to gather in their masses. Throwing bananas inside the chariot is all part of the fun. Click image for larger version

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    I have video footage of the grand finale, but unable to post it in here directly from my tablet. To night I leave this wonderful holy place and move on to my next destination.
    When you express from a fearful heart in the now moment, You create a fearful future.
    When you express from a loving heart in the now moment, You create a loving future.

    Have no fear, Be aware and live your lives journey from a compassionate caring nurturing heart to manifest a compassionate caring nurturing future. Billyji


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    Thanks for the updates Billy and the cool pics! Hope we can see that video some day..

    Enjoy the rest of your journey my friend

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    Thanks Billy for such an amazing story! Especially the connections between your most recent past life in India and your current life.

    I also have a strong connection with India, including a deep interest in Vedic astrology - interestingly I much prefer the square configuration of the chart, which is used in the south, rather than the diamond configuration which is used in the north. I have been told that I was a temple astrologer in a recent past life, which must be in the south, although I don't know where exactly.

    I have visited the south before a long time ago, and actually found my Naadi leaves, but I can't find whatever notes I made and can only remember a few things. I think the place was in Chennai or nearby, but I could be mistaken.

    Do you have the update details for the people that you read your leaves with? The previous link doesn't work anymore: http://www.naadishastra.com/about.html

    Many thanks and enjoy your stay in India!

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    Quote Posted by Cognitive Dissident (here)
    Thanks Billy for such an amazing story! Especially the connections between your most recent past life in India and your current life.

    I also have a strong connection with India, including a deep interest in Vedic astrology - interestingly I much prefer the square configuration of the chart, which is used in the south, rather than the diamond configuration which is used in the north. I have been told that I was a temple astrologer in a recent past life, which must be in the south, although I don't know where exactly.

    I have visited the south before a long time ago, and actually found my Naadi leaves, but I can't find whatever notes I made and can only remember a few things. I think the place was in Chennai or nearby, but I could be mistaken.

    Do you have the update details for the people that you read your leaves with? The previous link doesn't work anymore: http://www.naadishastra.com/about.html

    Many thanks and enjoy your stay in India!
    Thank you C.D, sorry for the delay in responding, I have been traveling around South India and I am now settled for the next few weeks.
    I did a search and see that the Naadi center I visited has a new website. This is the link.
    http://www.naadishastra.com/about-us.php#about-naadi

    I have update the link in the OP also.


    My home for the next few weeks. Living around the base of the mystical mountain of Arunachala.

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    Last edited by Billy; 6th March 2018 at 18:14.
    When you express from a fearful heart in the now moment, You create a fearful future.
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    Default Re: Naadi Shastra: My experience with Destiny

    Quote Posted by Agape (here)


    Ancient Indian Aircraft an Agenda of Major Science Conference

    Could be of some interest ...

    Not many scholars out of India got a good or precise information about the content, quality and age of Tamil and Sanskrit scriptures , Vedas , Puranas, the Brahmanas and so forth.
    Historically , this obscurantion occurred mostly due to Muslim invasions and suppression of Hindu culture , later the same effect was successfully replicated by the British,
    who did not understand the language and lowered Indian culture to that of primitive savages .

    There’s no single source to the Vedas and old cults of India either .

    It seems that advanced knowledge was contained and preserved on the subcontinent , passed from lost continent of Lemuria ( Tamil based script ) and from the North of continent ( Sanskrit based ),
    dating to Times before last ice age and beyond tens of thousands of years.
    Thank you for this comment Agape, it has inspired me to share a very rare book that my friend found in a private library when she visited me in Gokarna. She handed me the book and said, I think this may interest you Billy. When I read the front cover, I was very excited to read further.

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    I am actually wondering if this deserves it's own thread. But i will post in here for the time being.

    The library itself has an interesting story around it's creation. The owner of the library at one time had his own private collection stored in his home. He is 92 yrs old now and bed ridden. Two French journalist discovered him and his astounding collection of books. When they returned back home they decided to raise some funds to build him a library so that his collection could be preserved and people could have access to read and research some of his rare books.
    The library.
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    He even has his own collection of Naadi leaves. Excuse the reflection from the glass cases.

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    I asked his son who is attempting to continue with the library if I could borrow the Sphinx Speaks book. But he said he could not as it was an important rare reference book, I pleaded with him with a promise of it's safe return before I left in 9 days time and offered a deposit. He replied, ok I trust you. No deposit required but please return the book.

    The book was published in 1963 by Dr. Jwala Prasad Singhal. After some searching I found out it was out of print and not available in any form on the internet. I read with interest but did not have time to finish the book before I had to hand it back. So I decided after talking to Bill and the Mods that I should try and have it digitally copied in a PDF format. Which after a struggle, i managed to do.

    The book is now safe in the Avalon Library.
    http://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Dr%2...x%20Speaks.pdf

    I have to head out, I will talk a little about the books content later on a new post.
    Last edited by Billy; 19th March 2018 at 15:28.
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    The Sphinx Speaks is a book written by one Dr. Jwala Prasad Singhal and published in 1963.

    Dr Jwala has his own theories and interpretations which some may not agree with. I just suggest he is worthy of some time and consideration.

    Dr Jwala covers the movement of ancient civilisations before and after the great floods, (<-- plural) which include the Aryans, Summerians, Egyptians, Kasspii, Hyrcanians, Maya's, Incas, Toltecs, Nagas, Gandharvas, Devatas and more.
    He also covers the movement of the earths crust, the raising of the Himalayas in different stages that resulted in the draining of the great sea, the Tethy's sea, that existed between what is now North India and South India. Which then flooded and sank the great southern continent, South India before the upheaval was part of Lumuria or the great continent of Gondwanaland.
    Quote:
    Ch11. During the Cretaceous period the India Peninsula yet formed an integral part of the great Gondwana continent, which was still more or less a continuous land mass stretching from Africa to Australia and even South America.
    Geologists have confirmed the existence of this land mass and say it was either a continuous southern continent land or was connected by land bridges or Ishmian links which extended from south America to India. And united within the same borders the Malay Archipelago and Australia.
    The continent was called Lumuria.

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    Apart from quoting references from Geologists, science and historians, What is interesting is that Dr Jwala also refers to the Vedas, mostly the Riveda's (composed before the flood)and the Purana's.(composed after the flood) it takes some effort to get into his mindset. After chapter 7 things become reprative on purpose as he was asked to print more details of his sources and research. This part gave me a better understanding of the scriptures he was referring to.

    He believes that advanced civilisations and stone age cave dwellers lived along side each other and were not always the best of neighbours. That North India and South India were at one time two different continents. Hence what Agape was referring to. North India had the Sanskrit based script and South India had the Tamil based script. He follows the trail of different belief systems moving across continents from India to Africa and to south America. The Sun worshippers and the Nagas, the snake or serpent worshippers.

    I think it is a wee gem of a book, enjoy.

    http://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Dr%2...x%20Speaks.pdf

    http://projectavalon.net/lib/Dr%20Jw...x%20Speaks.pdf
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    WOW! Thanks SO MUCH, Billy!! To have this book in the Avalon Library is SO special!!

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    Amazing story! Thanks for sharing Billy.

    Has anyone else contacted http://www.naadishastra.com for a reading, and if so what was your experience?

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    ' I also find it hard to believe that they found his leaves with only his thumb print without at least giving him his date of birth. Names are not important, but time of birth is. The Naadi believe like others, that there were originally 12 tribes. the individuals thumb print connects you to your tribe or soul family. To find your personal leaves with only a thumb print with what I have experienced I think is impossible. But I may be wrong.'

    I just noticed this quote in your message. From my personal experience, I did not submit a date/time of birth nor give my name. The person in North America who facilitated my id process/reading with the centre in Tamil Nadu only provided the "reader" with my thumbprint and the place of birth for both my parents. They were able to find my leaves with just this information and during the identification process confirmed my name, date of birth, parents' names, etc. I've already experienced some of the more "unfavourable" predictions which gives me hope that some of the future "happier" events will come to pass . Anyway, just to say, that perhaps different styles are used, depending on the region or "training" received. I also did not receive past life readings at that time as apparently this was not relevant or did not impact my present/future reading.

    I should add that I have only experienced one reading and do not have the comprehensive familiarity and understanding that you have with this subject.

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    Quote Posted by Kejaranhybrid (here)
    Amazing story! Thanks for sharing Billy.

    Has anyone else contacted http://www.naadishastra.com for a reading, and if so what was your experience?
    Kejaranhybrid, I've been rereading this thread again since I find it so interesting. I did have a reading done with someone else about a year and a half ago and was quite impressed, especially as some of the predictions have recently come to pass. Anyway, being curious about the 14 chapters, I decided to contact Vashista Naadi Centre and have one more reading. I wanted to see if anything new or different came through. However, a word of caution and advice - if you can avoid it, do not send your request through email. They seem to be very cavalier with one's personal information. I sent an email which included my full name, dob, thumbprints and a bit of a narrative with my request. Their email response appears to have a bulk distribution which included all the requests that, I expect, were received that day - a stream of client emails and Vashista's responses to their requests for readings as well. I'm certainly not pleased that a lot of strangers now have access to my personal info and I'm definitely not feeling comfortable about having a reading with them. I'm not sure what to do at this point. I'll need to have a good think about this first.

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    on 22nd April 2018, I visited a Naadi palm leaf center here in Pune.

    I reached their office in the morning. There were 3-4 people there watching Tamil news on TV and talking with each other in Tamil language.

    I was unsure in which language I should talk to, English, Hindi or Marathi as I dont know Tamil. I started talking in Marathi. Looking at the blank faces of people there I understood that most of them dont understand Marathi. And they nodded to one person to go talk to me. He spoke to me in Hindi. I again talked to him in Marathi but he replied to me in Hindi, so he only knew how to speak in Hindi.

    He took my thumb prints on a small paper and wrote down my date of birth and name in Tamil and gave that to another person. That person went inside and after 20 minutes he asked me to come inside a room.

    There are two books of Nadi leafs on the table. He read them in Tamil like a Shloka, similar to how people read Sanskrit texts regularly or are priests. And after each sentence he asked me questions in Hindi. I replied No, as they are not matching. Some leafs he turned without reading them loud as he already knew the answer from me regarding that leaf which is not matching. In both the books no leaf matched with me.

    So he said, "how many days before you have taken the appointment?"

    I said, "yesterday, before that I inquired about this subject three days ago."

    He said, "how can we get the Naadi leafs in such short time. It takes time, your leaf is not found, it takes time to bring the leaf all the way from Chennai."

    So I again asked him, "so the leafs are asked from Chennai as per the appointment and all?"

    He said, "you know who talked to you over the phone and dont know how did they gave you the day of today, it takes time to bring Nadi books from Chennai to here, we have to first raise a request there and transit also takes time, there is a process for that. Your leaf is not found. We have to bring Nadi leaf related to you. Give me a date when you would like to come."

    I opened calendar in my phone, and searched for a date which will be suitable for me. I gave him the date of 12th May 2018.

    He wrote that on that piece of paper and wrote the time also of coming. He told me not to take appoint, and that I should directly visit here on this day and at this time with this paper.

    He handed over that piece of paper to me. I nodded and came out.

    So this was my experience. Day after tomorrow will go there gain, lets see what happens, if my leaf is there to be found or not.

    http://www.jeevanaadi.co.in

    A interview of a person who opened this center in Pune. I have not met this guy, but he speaks in Marathi.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKfqjnN41Hk

    In this interview of his in Marathi, he was a fashion designer by profession earlier in life in some European country. His Nadi leaf wrote something about great people thanking him. And ultimately he became a Nadi reader. After he broke from that business, few famous astrologers set him up in this city on Pune so that people in North India can take benefit of Nadi leafs.
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    Default Re: Naadi Shastra: My experience with Destiny

    Hi again guys. I returned from India after a wonderful 4 months there at the beginning of May. Two days after my return my tablet died and my phone had no data package.
    Long story but I am pleased to be back online again.

    I have some great experiences to share when I get around to it. I visited the spectacular hand sculpted Ellora and Ajanta temple caves. They absolutely blew my mind. I think they deserve their own thread.

    How did your Naadi reading go kanishk ? Do you stay in Pune ? Your avatar says Nagpur and I must have been not far from you when I was in Aurangabad ?
    Next time I visit we must meet up for a chai.

    Jill, my experience over the years in India is that the majority of India folks do not understand the meaning of private or personal. They do not understand the concept and are naturally curious and want to know everything about you. I walked into a house I was renting one day and found my landlord reading my diary. I snatched it from him and told him that was my private diary and that when I rent a house don't expect to come home and find you looking through my stuff.
    He looked at me confused because he did not understand but he saw I was annoyed and apologised for days afterwards.

    I would send a complaint regarding your personal contact details. You may help them change their views on clients privacy.
    Last edited by Billy; 18th May 2018 at 19:59.
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    Jill, my experience over the years in India is that the majority of India folks do not understand the meaning of private or personal. They do not understand the concept and are naturally curious and want to know everything about you. I walked into a house I was renting one day and found my landlord reading my diary. I snatched it from him and told him that was my private diary and that when I rent a house don't expect to come home and find you looking through my stuff.
    He looked at me confused because he did not understand but he saw I was annoyed and apologised for days afterwards.

    I would send a complaint regarding your personal contact details. You may help them change their views on clients privacy.
    Thank you Billy. They have sent me several emails and do acknowledge they have a virus but have a very offhand perspective on this - ie, computers get viruses so what can one do sort of attitude. Unfortunately, my personal details have now been exchanged with a string of strangers about 4 or 5 times. They don't seem to understand the full extent and risk of what they have done. They really need to fix that virus and until it is absolutely off their computer, they should have a loud and clear notice on their website that no one should be sending emails to them. I have advised them of this but I'm not sure the message is getting through as they seem very dismissive of this problem and think the problem lies with my "trust issues" . Anyway, this has certainly dampened my enthusiasm for any other readings, at least via email.

    Looking forward to reading your next round of experiences.
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    How did your Naadi reading go kanishk ? Do you stay in Pune ? Your avatar says Nagpur and I must have been not far from you when I was in Aurangabad ?
    Next time I visit we must meet up for a chai.
    Yes sure, . I have shifted here to Pune now.

    Yesterday I went there again third time. My Nadi was found before that when I visited there for the second time i.e. on second last Saturday, 12th May 2018.



    I told at the reception that I have been told to come again today, and gave them the paper with my thumb print and note written by the leaf reader.

    After 20 minutes or so I was called inside and the leaf reader started asking questions one by one. He asked me questions like if I am married, looking for someone to get married, doing job in government, brothers sisters, marital status of sister etc. etc.. I was anxious if my leaf will be found or not. In one leaf he asked me if my father's and mother's name's meaning is of Vishnu and Laxmi, I was not sure if the meaning of their name is of Vishnu and Laxmi's name so I told him the exact name. He told me to give answer only in Yes and No. He went on telling/asking me about intimate things, and those are matching, and I have said yes it is right etc. etc.. He noted it down on a paper and asked me to wait outside.

    After 5 minutes or so, a guy told me to go inside. There I sat on a table and after few minutes leaf reader brought a customized notebook with my Birthchart written on it, and a audio recorder. I asked him that should I start audio recording in my phone. He said we have it here, we will give you the recording in CD. He told be to ask any questions after the entire leaf reading. He was fluent in translating the leaf directly into Marathi language, as he reads sentences on the leaf. He told me that my name on the leaf is written as Kanik(Kaneek) but it is actually Kanishk (my name literally means a plate, a saucer, vehicle of Vishnu, Garuda, a kushan emperors name who organised second Buddhist conference, a UFO, vehicle of RA as you see in Egyptian hieroglyphs). After that he paused the recording and asked me if I have any query. I asked him if I can take picture of my leaf, that I will be posting in on international forum on internet. He said ok, said that the upper leaf has the details, and below are just paragraphs. I this there's more written on the back side of the lower leaf and the next leaf after that. But I took the picture on this first and second leaf after that as shown in the picture below.

    In the reading he told me some remedies and Puja that is charged separately. In the end when I was going to give him the fees, he directed me towards the Puja (a place where all the idols are placed are are worshiped) to put the money there. I asked him where? He said anywhere, so I placed 1100 rupees there.

    I sent this picture of my palm leaf to one Tamil friend but he says that it is difficult for him to read the letters correctly, as the picture is blurred on left and right side.
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    How did your Naadi reading go kanishk ? Do you stay in Pune ? Your avatar says Nagpur and I must have been not far from you when I was in Aurangabad ?
    Next time I visit we must meet up for a chai.
    Yes sure, . I have shifted here to Pune now.

    Yesterday I went there again third time. My Nadi was found before that when I visited there for the second time i.e. on second last Saturday, 12th May 2018.

    After 5 minutes or so, a guy told me to go inside. There I sat on a table and after few minutes leaf reader brought a customized notebook with my Birthchart written on it, and a audio recorder. I asked him that should I start audio recording in my phone. He said we have it here, we will give you the recording in CD. He told be to ask any questions after the entire leaf reading. He was fluent in translating the leaf directly into Marathi language, as he reads sentences on the leaf. He told me that my name on the leaf is written as Kanik(Kaneek) but it is actually Kanishk (my name literally means a plate, a saucer, vehicle of Vishnu, Garuda, a kushan emperors name who organised second Buddhist conference, a UFO, vehicle of RA as you see in Egyptian hieroglyphs). After that he paused the recording and asked me if I have any query. I asked him if I can take picture of my leaf, that I will be posting in on international forum on internet. He said ok, said that the upper leaf has the details, and below are just paragraphs. I this there's more written on the back side of the lower leaf and the next leaf after that. But I took the picture on this first and second leaf after that as shown in the picture below.

    In the reading he told me some remedies and Puja that is charged separately. In the end when I was going to give him the fees, he directed me towards the Puja (a place where all the idols are placed are are worshiped) to put the money there. I asked him where? He said anywhere, so I placed 1100 rupees there.
    Thanks for sharing Kanishk <------------- meaning vehicle of the Gods. Wow what a great name.
    The Naadi reader seems genuine and only 1100rp (£11) shows that they are not ripping you off.
    How many chapters were read to you? Was your reading only this present life or did they go into a past life and future possibilities ?
    Hearing a stranger reading out personal details about your life that only you know about can be quite an experience. I hope the reading helps your journey from here on.
    When you express from a fearful heart in the now moment, You create a fearful future.
    When you express from a loving heart in the now moment, You create a loving future.

    Have no fear, Be aware and live your lives journey from a compassionate caring nurturing heart to manifest a compassionate caring nurturing future. Billyji


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    Hi again guys. I returned from India after a wonderful 4 months there at the beginning of May. Two days after my return my tablet died and my phone had no data package.
    Long story but I am pleased to be back online again.

    I have some great experiences to share when I get around to it. I visited the spectacular hand sculpted Ellora and Ajanta temple caves. They absolutely blew my mind. I think they deserve their own thread.
    For those who have been following this thread I have created a new thread about my visit to the Ellora and Ajanta temple caves.
    This is the link.
    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1226574
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    When you express from a fearful heart in the now moment, You create a fearful future.
    When you express from a loving heart in the now moment, You create a loving future.

    Have no fear, Be aware and live your lives journey from a compassionate caring nurturing heart to manifest a compassionate caring nurturing future. Billyji


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    I have not updated many things about my experiences about Naadi.

    So I found my Naadi elsewhere again, or the first one is not my Naadi and this one is only.

    This time I only gave answers in Yes and No. And finally my leaf was found.

    They told the name of Line on my thumb and the number of dots there are on that line.

    But the earlier Naadi reader told me that I have Two dots on my thumb. The founder of that Naadi reader place told me that a persons Naadi could be found in 16 different types of Naadi.

    At this place I asked the same question and they told me that it could be found at 18 different Naadis written by different people. But this leaf of yours is written by Agasthya Maharishi and its in detail. And if you go find other leaf same will be written there but in very concise manner, not in detail, etc etc.

    Previous leaf reader reading recording was of only 6 minutes, but this one is of more than 40 minutes.

    Watch this youtube video:

    The Nadi Shastra of Agastya Mahamuni


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    Thank you for sharing Kanishk..
    I watched the video and yes, I was also informed by my Naadi priest in 2005 after I asked him if destiny was set in stone ? He answered, that personal destiny depends on the spirtual growth of the individual. He said to me, there are variations depending on where your heart is. if your heart is pure and you live your life in a loving caring manner, performing good deeds to dissolve any karmic past lives attachments, you can bring your destiny forward, not just in this life time but future lives that you may not have to live through.
    Then he said that the opposite can happen. If your heart is hard and you perform negative deeds, harming others, then your destiny will be delayed, not just in this life but future lives also.

    I did visit another Naadi reader when I was in Tiruvannamalai just out of curiosity, he did a search and said my leaves were to be found in a library a few hours drive away. I did not travel there.

    How was your reading Kanishk ?
    When you express from a fearful heart in the now moment, You create a fearful future.
    When you express from a loving heart in the now moment, You create a loving future.

    Have no fear, Be aware and live your lives journey from a compassionate caring nurturing heart to manifest a compassionate caring nurturing future. Billyji


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