# Thread: SPIRALS, everywhere in the ancient world why ?

1. ## Re: SPIRALS, everywhere in the ancient world why ?

Posted by Solphilos (here)
In the occult mysteries, the clockwise spiral represents creation, and counter-clockwise represents destruction and undoing.
Thanks for the explanation ! ... however my question was unfortunately not accurate enough ...
Do you regard clockwise from the inside to outside or vice versa ?

2. ## Re: SPIRALS, everywhere in the ancient world why ?

Very interesting. Did anyone besides me stick his little finger in his nose while watching the part in which McKenna mentions this marvelous fact? Thanks for the video I quess I will take a closer look on his work.

MfG

Martin

3. ## Re: SPIRALS, everywhere in the ancient world why ?

Posted by Operator (here)
Thanks for the explanation ! ... however my question was unfortunately not accurate enough ...
Do you regard clockwise from the inside to outside or vice versa ?
now THAT.....is a question.

The atomic particle is one of 2-d oscillating fields meeting and their combined oscillations and impingement upon one another becomes the dual spiral of the particle. One in, one out, in near perfect balance. bu NOT quite perfect balance..one ends up being the outside of the system, the other..the inner. And thus the uni-directionality of time. This creates the impression of the dual spiral from our gross point of view, in time. Time occurring across those formed dual spirals. Time thus does have small bits or quanta. Stability in atomic particle function occurs as the field size of the 2d field is near infinite and universal. As wells the frequency being so high that the sheer power of the immense delta (rate of change) confers the stability.

This, of course, is the Fibonacci.

Atom smashers...why oh why do they always describe the same thing? It is an active and constantly motional system, the only way they could get those results. Period. Spirals, they look like. one in, one out. Stability until you smash them and get a Fibonacci spin off the breaking apart.

Or you can take the easy way out, like Tesla, and Keely ,Moray, and others..and use resonance. A Sympathetic resonance system, locked together in relative stability. to a point....

The symbolism of the shapes and basics of geometry describing the fitting together, the standing wave patterns or the locking together of the vibrations in sympathy. Atomic lattice structures. and, in esoteric teaching, also implies the necessary mechanistic aspects of the lattice shape of oscillatory manipulation to achieve esoteric effects. (break out yer ohms!)

The doorway both in and out of dimensional translation and travel. And the right vibration or oscillation allows for translation and/or transmutation.

Note that anytime anyone, in any science or any esoteric art or any free energy science, any of these that appear to function...they end up speaking about utilizing precise mechanistic alignments, in time, of precisely controlled oscillatory patterns. Resonance.

I've heard of a man (one of near hundreds of accounts of weird science) who attempted creating anti-gravity function strictly through acoustics, via aligned audio speaker systems that each fired cyclic energy down a tube..and then ended up all combining and roiling away at the one point..and creating levitation. strictly through patterned acoustical manipulation. he was trying to replicate the oscillation and manipulation that the Buddhist monks had in their chanting circles. Once you understand the torsional spin frequency spiral multi-axis aspect of gravity, time, particle interactives and creation (alignment/lattice patterns) then all problems one perceives of manipulation of time, space, energy and dimensions -all go away.

Nothing is then impossible. Pandora's box explodes.

As they say in the old childhood games.. you are getting warmer now. Very warm.

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5. ## Re: SPIRALS, everywhere in the ancient world why ?

Posted by Loki (here)
Hey guys this is my first thread on Avalon Forums
A very big WELCOME, Loki! And a great thread too!

You're right, spirals ARE everywhere. But not only in the ancient world!

Take a look at NASA's Image of the Day
http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/image...ture_1774.html

Spiral Extraordinaire

Scientists have yet to discover what caused the strange spiral structure. Nor do they know why it glows. The glow may be caused by light reflected from nearby stars. As for the spiral itself, current supposition is that this is the result of a star in a binary star system entering the planetary nebula phase, when its outer atmosphere is ejected. Given the expansion rate of the spiral gas, a new layer must appear about every 800 years, a close match to the time it takes for the two stars to orbit each other. The above image was taken in near-infrared light by the Hubble Space Telescope.

Image Credit: NASA, ESA, Hubble, R. Sahai (JPL)
Now THAT'S synchronicity! LOL

6. ## Re: SPIRALS, everywhere in the ancient world why ?

As above, so below. Thus the atomic structure of the dual spiral vortex becomes the spiral of plasma, the water going down the drain (gravity's addition and literal spin), the tornado and the hurricane, what you see in the NASA photo..and the galaxies themselves.

In electrical terms, this is the reason of lead-lag in complex AC LCR.

Dr. Hartmut Müller and Global Scaling Theory

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8. ## Re: SPIRALS, everywhere in the ancient world why ?

pulled from the "alien invasion in October?" thread, a post by me. earlier in this thread (post #2) I said that the problem of simply explaining the spirals is that they touch on everything, in the most fundamental sense possible. Thus the answer that allows for the framing of views so they make sense..necessarily covers many subjects. This, in order to have the data required to make sense of it..from the 3-d world outer world sense of standard human communication. The spirals all over the world are about looking INWARD as the answers that work, are found within the inner world or view which is at least as big as the outer. Ie, if galaxies and such as a universe and multiple dimensions exist on the outside of you..then the dual spiral characteristic of inner and outer that describes our position in the pantheon of reality...then insists that the same depth of reality and plethora of answers also lies within. As above, so below. The global scaling theory. As outside, so within.

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This also means that the Joseph Farrell nightmare scenario comes more on line...'Time and dimension Traveling Nazis in outer space', due to their unraveling of the fabric of space/time in the practical device sense.

Meaning the anti-gravity craft (human) that came out of the Nazi bell and similar programs began to show up in the timelines.

And, as well, the popping of the bomb over the two cities in Japan, combined with the nuke testing was ripping the fabric of space time and this shows through inter-dimensionally and in the 3-d world like Nikolai Kozyrev's time invariant scalar inter-dimensional and space fabric (dark matter, etc) waves that come out of the heart of stars.

Nukes and the sun have things in common. The both have anomalous amounts of energetic release that cannot be explained via standard modeling of atomics. (right now the science has a theoretical cover story, but in reality, it fails) Nukes popped off in the world all have anomalous yields and those yields only have correlation in their yields when analyzed in the context of their time and location of detonation. meaning, astrological and astronomical alignment patterns in time..and the correlation to the becker-hagens energy grid map. This directly implicates a torsional spin fluid plasma effect of the matter formation on the inter-dimensional scale of existence and thus the spiral motif noted in the 'spirals everywhere in the ancient world' thread in the general forum.

Since these alignment patterns are found strictly in geometric formation, it could easily then translate into 2-d dimensional vibrational field effects that interact and thus form particles in a stable spin-balance pattern (inner outer spiral that is both wave and particle due to being made up or vibrational interactives of two waves oscillating at extremely high frequencies and energies) that can be seen and is seen from the 3-d 'world' or timespace..as spirals. Wave particle duality, in a nutshell. this means..that our 3-d world, and unidirectional time (history in stone and timeline splitting in front of us as potential and possibility) ..is merely a dimension/viewpoint formed by the angular or vectoral resultant aspects of the dual in-out balanced spirals...like a bunch of kids walking on spinning balls.

Thus ..those space and dimension traveling races that be out there (individually or as groups) suddenly have us thrusting ourselves into the basics of multi-dimensional awareness via the channel of the 3-d universe. Reptilian or whatever manipulation of man bursts into the inter-dimensional newspapers, one could say. No longer possible to hide it from these external groups.

so they begin to take a deeper and direct interest in us and peer in, peer into our timelines and potentials. Ie, things begin to heat up.

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Here is the inward and outward spirals, the duality of the spiral, in balance..again. Why inner answers are perceived by us as being more fundamentally correct and rock solid, while outer answers are in doubt and need to be large and all encompassing in order for us to make sense of them. Outer answers are further from the core of our balance point of existence..on that dual spinning spiral that describes our spiritual and physical duality. The inner and the outer.

The spiral symbolism is a simplistic tool that can serve as a point, a reminder, a doorway of thought and reality.. that unfolds these understandings in man.

Re: predictions are irrelevant now... no one knows more than anybody else

It's human psychology at play in the fields of communication. The internal communication is the most complete as it is started and completed within. The moment you add an external point, it is completed on a level that is less connected to the individual internal discussion..and therefore less complete. The moment you go from two to a group, then it becomes even less complete. Every time a layer of externalization is added..the less true internal information the given person has to go on and the more the emotions complete the chain of logic.

This is due to how the base psychology of learning and growing is enacted within the individual. We reach into the unknown with the most base layers, the emotions, which can shape the logic function. The internal order of operations is that that the autonomous system (fight or flight) must be satisfied first, in all instances of individual human consideration...before logic and calm can be brought to bear on the given situation. The point then becomes as the group size increases, the more emotional the basis of logic that is enacted and performed.

This is why scare mongering tactics (or distraction tactics) never fail to work on large groups.

This explanation is by necessity short, as we don't have time to write books on forums.

The irony is --that incompleteness alone is part of the near circular argument that the human condition creates and maintains ---due to the emotional and near unconscious aspect of the needed or desired 'group motions/actions'.

If you watch the series 'the century of the self' (in the books and video section of the forum) it is interesting to note that this very topic, as an incidental point, is covered and this exact thread topic, in important ways..becomes the punchline of the entire 4 hour series..in the last 10 minutes-as the series' single concluding point.

This is why all your advanced souls and teachers..always tell you the truth on that..and it is that the answers you seek, will always lie within. The self must be corrected. First and foremost.

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Since vibration is all... and all is vibration in patterns, I'm a HUGE music fan.

So a music video..but...

Mental development that works when attempting to still the body's ego construct requires not listening to music that has the human voice or recognizable sound shaping that creates vocalizations in the human mind. To still the body's voice within so the truth of what is within (from our connected spirit body from higher dimensions) can emerge and transform into thought without coloration (the vocalizations of our inner voice) by the body construct. The words that are forming in your head right now, in your own voice? That is a body construct. It is not your higher or inner voice. Thus, no music with vocals as it keeps the inner psychobabble that is connected to the ego..running at full bore. Dang thing never shuts up. It is exactly a little kid always emotionally afected and colored, as that is what it is based on, it is your earliest thought form and wiring - your autonomous functions getting into externalized communications as the intellectual aspects of the mind begin to form, as a child. The body must create the physical aspects of vocalization.. so it is, in essence and fact, in charge of ALL vocalizations in the body..and thus, the mind. And it colors their shaping and patterns through desires, fears, love, etc.

I have been listening to mostly ambient music since about the age of 13, but starting at age 10. classical music (not opera) is good too. Just not my cup'o'tea. This meditation route does take time, it takes time in this 3-d world of time. Since linear time is irrelevant and of minor character in the other dimensions, this can cause is grief when looking into them..ie it takes much of our time here. Thus the need for those who control us to continue to drive us like animals ---in time. Us..never knowing of or hearing that inner voice. Always externalizing into doubt, and thus confusion....(the monkey body side) and a lack of answers that have depth, lacking the depth that is great enough to bring enlightenment.

From the Compilation - '42 Things To Do In Zero Gravity'

we can regain our voices..and those voices will have more power..after the clarity of their use and direction is achieved..by correctly listening or spending time with the truth of the inner, other dimensional voice. The ole' "power of the voice of god", but in the real sense. coming from within. and your so called 3-d IQ will shoot through the roof. You become connected. Thus the incredible wisdom of the sages.

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12. ## Re: SPIRALS, everywhere in the ancient world why ?

truthseekerdan Thanks for that post, I wish I was able to participate in those talks you have and its nice to see you value them.

13. ## Re: SPIRALS, everywhere in the ancient world why ?

One of the reiki symbols.
The POWER symbol has many uses in healing.
Clock wise and counter clock wise.
Clock wise concentrates the DIVINE ENERGY, counter clock wise it disperses and transmutes the energy.

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15. ## Re: SPIRALS, everywhere in the ancient world why ?

Thus the point of compression and decompression of the simple seeming 'air'.

Breathing exercises are quite real.

There are multiple devices in the free energy field that use AIR, John Whorl Keeley, for one... and Tesla, as another. The capacity of air to be compressed and decompressed, and due to it's complex constitution and make-up, aetheric energetic energy translation CAN and DOES occur in such systems. Air is an elastic energy storage and release system. Thermal effects are well noted and known. It's like polarized gating of energy across dimensions in a complex 2-d oscillating field...inner-outer dual spiral system, a spiral created at the interactive point of these 2-d oscillating resonant fields.

i keep hitting this point on the head over and over and over, as if you want to take the fantastical, the mystical, the ethereal..and drag it into science, this is the key point to investigate and understand that exists as the core of all energetic systems we have ever attempted to document, explain or observe. From the fantastical to the mundane. Ghosts, meditation, Kundalini, time travel, dimensional shifting, to getting whacked on the insulin rush of a donut , What pH means....the LHC collider...any point in scientific documentation or exploration...all the same source point. Every single one of them.

In Tesla's Wardenclyffe tower and experiment/system... the giant bulb in the center was meant to be filled with compressed air. For it could then be used as an adjunct to his aetheric energy gathering and storing system for creating a world grid of energetic storage and release. The immense power came from the Air chamber, which was the incomplete bulbous part on it. (3/4 of the way up it, in the photos)

so BREATHE..don't forget to breathe. And the ommm sounds, the chanting, the solfeggio frequencies, all allow for the resultant AC compression and rarefaction of the air in the body to undergo a 'sawtooth' shaped waveform of unequal exchange of energies that favor the bodily system (this is during exhalation-it is a very easy to understand point for the engineering types that may be here, I hope--it is DC with an AC rider, a unidirectional sawtooth-thus energetic gating in resonance, the very secret of free energy systems), in the aetheric sense of energetic exchange. Buddhist monks chanting in patterns, all of it..getting that torsionally spinning spiral of energetic systems to release or gain energies across the boundary of dimensions. Recall that the only thing that translates energy across the dimensional system(s) easily and what one might say is correctly..is controlled frequencies and resonance of them.

I just heard, yesterday, of someone who used a solfeggio frequency tuned tuning fork....and they stuck the fork (Solfeggio A frequency, 417hz, I believe) and then put the base in a cup of coffee...and then the acidity of the coffee apparently was..no more.

BREATHE..don't forget to breathe.

If you use immense voltages to pressure the system OPEN, a polarized gating if you will, then the torsionally spinning systems remain stable and open (tesla, Wardenclyffe)(Nazi bell experiment)(LHC collider-part their hoped result, in many ways) then we get to the understanding that the gravity, and time, found in the 3-d universe is created via extreme voltage differentials held in stasis and thus immense plasma currents (and information or ethereal being(s)(information), what have you) translate through/across the dimensions. Thus the gating of dimensions and constant energetic release of the sun that cannot be accounted for in the science that exists today. Thus when we enter the differently charged plane of the galaxy, the whole Mayan thing (etc), the sun behaves differently and the entire solar system is also affected.

Thus Kosyrev's experiments in finding that the suns and stars are emitting a scalar, timeless wave that is in our scope of understanding..instant. Timeless. Cannot be stopped by anything but aluminum, in his findings. The Dan winter site speaking on how the suns are the dimensional gates for spirits..and the point of the soul entering the body on the sun's rays..on the earth's horizon (the ascendant)(lucifer, angel of the dawn, of the light??). Me telling you that in the bio-locational sense, I used, at times, a field along the high tension power lines to travel down, and how electrical function in the body is the core point of it's operation and that the white powder of gold in Hudson's experiments is all about superdeformed atoms that need to be 'charged' (electrically via chemical and thermal means, ie a pH thing in one respect) to work correctly, how colloidal silver is all about the same (monatomics needing to be charged)....on and on it goes.

The entire body's function is based on the pH imbalance system of energetic exchange ..pH which is a chemical term for molecular electrical charge and arrangement differentials of atomic structures..dimensional gating via DMT - for the nervous system, anyone???

Wilhelm Reich, frequencies, pyramids, frequencies, Dr. Royal Raymond Rife, all of it. The same exact point. Resonant frequential manipulation unless the voltage differentials are high enough and thus a plasma like continual flow of energetic translation occurs due to the deformation of the atomic structures-that gates the dimensional energetic exchange.

You read the books of Dr. Micheal Newton and he has these people in the spirit world, life between lives, speaking of how new souls come from a source of light. How when we die, we go to the light, etc. On and on it goes, the same single point.

All is vibration, etc. Breathe, anyone? Toss a bit of correct chanting in there... and off you go to a healthier life and world for the self.

I even have first hand (known this person for over 15 years, very well) story about someone who was the first person to design a sound chair that involved the Solfeggio frequencies in multiple resonant patterns... that heals the body.

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17. ## Re: SPIRALS, everywhere in the ancient world why ?

I love that image of the spiral in deep space thanks a lot for sharing Harley!!

18. ## Re: SPIRALS, everywhere in the ancient world why ?

Heres another very strange place in Bosnia - A Megalithic spiral constructed out of huge blocks.

There has been no major research carried out on the place. What is interesting is that the EU pays for security at this location.

Guess they dont want any unauthorized research being carried out so we dont figure out its not medieval hmm.

Mitruša, Federacija
LAT: 43.1033333
LON: 17.6461111

19. ## Re: SPIRALS, everywhere in the ancient world why ?

I do apologize for taking this post whole from another thread. Some of this is repeat as I was speaking on the whole spiral phenomena in this other thread. Banging away on people's awareness of this phenomena, in the science and similar end of things. I said in the second post in this thread that it would be pages long and necessarily encompass many things. And that it would take days to put together. To frame things and to add to things so that enough of a shape could be made for people to gain some sense of how and where they stand on this. The information has to have enough variety and re-formation of enough thoughts so that it can be seen from as many alternate angles as possible. To be stereoscopic, if you will, in time and space on the shape and direction of the answer.

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Re: Is Dolores Cannon Being Manipulated?

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An example of a found interesting point is that the 'plan in de-population' of the earth...is to kill any vessel or human that reaches past the age of 44. This is interesting ..for in astrology..that is the point at which the vibrational learning influences in the patterning of physical life (in time-with the solar system being the karmic wheel of individuation) which the very oddly placed planet Uranus (the planet is unique in the solar system, it is spinning on it's SIDE) ...finishes it's cycle of 'opposition' which is the realization of the 'mirror of humanity'. So the individual learns of their place in and 'as humanity' at the age of 44, that mirror of realization becomes complete. (one's individual 'Uranus opposition' begins at age 42, and ends at about age 44)

So sure, all that went through my mind, yes. Potentials in reality.

Now if that is all true or not, that is a question, isn't it?

There is much more to these things. for example, Dan winters in the supplied link on the expression of ancient Hebrew vocalizations..states that these vocalizations being that of the exact patterning of the expression of vortex energy....this energy occurs in the brain like a fractal 3-d blooming of a vortex, like smoke or trails off the end of a wing of a plane or smoke curling about. so the voice and energies in the head expressing as repeated 3-d unfolding energy patterns and the closest to the true state of energetic dimensional expression...is when the original Hebrew vocalizations occur in the human mind. this branches off into the whole Sumarian Enki thing of adding in annunaki genetics to the hominids of the time and creating a 'chosen' group of kiddies he liked and cared for..., which Enlil tried to wipe out.

Now, the universe could be considered, in all it's multi-dimensional glory..as being vortexes of energy, both in and out, in near perfect balance and oscillation.

Ie, a 2-d oscillating field of energy meeting another 2-d field of oscillating energy..and thus at their juncture or meeting point, forming a vortex of energy, both in and out (in near perfect balance) and those vortexes describing our individual 3-d particles, in time ,as time occurs as a function of our our observation point being 'across' the individual particles. Ie, 3-d reality being like slipping around on a bunch of spinning micro-balls. Our point of observation being our 'take' on 3-d reality.

Thus.... purposely adding vibration into the vortexes...trips the energies into specific shapes and patterns of energy accumulation, or release. ie dimensional shifting of energies, in this dimension to other vortexes in this dimension (particles in atomic structure) or from this dimension to another or out of other dimensions into this one. thus, the chanting, singing, etc.

You have Victor Shauberger, Johnathan Whorl Keeley, and Edward at the choral castle, John Hutchison's experiments..and Egyptian's making the pyramid(s). All suspected of being vibrational energy releasing of spinning vortex energies. (anti-gravity, etc) Same for Tesla, and all known or suspected 'over unity' devices.

Then the 'ohm' chant of the Buddhists. and the Buddhists signing/chanting in groups, directed energies to move rocks (levitate) and make their monasteries (look that one up!). And much more.

Now, the planet Uranus is considered to be the planet of 'humanity' as a group, in some given thinking surrounding the astrological influences.

Now, when you spin a bar magnet on it's end, you create a vortex of energy around the axis of flow/motion. Something not well known is that in early dynamo or DC motor design they used to have 'dynamo pits' where dynamos were tested. In those tests, sometimes the dynamo would start spinning to such extreme speeds that they'd levitate (100krpm)and explode. thus the need for dynamo pits.In the act of fixing that aspect, they threw away their best over unity designs. As well, when you spin a magnet motor of that type up to speed, and then slam it to a stop and start it again immediately, it takes 10% less power to get to the max speed again than if you had waited 2 seconds (approximately) before starting it again. (this is not a thermal thing) As well, a horizontal gas motor is 10% more efficient than a vertical gas motor. This is all due to the unseen aetheric vortex energies.

Pay attention to anomalies in science, those are the dark corners where all is explained, through the doorway of the anomaly itself. Physics is absolutely loaded with them, to the tune of hundred of examples if you search them out. This gas motor thing is due to gravity being a 'polarized, spin oriented- gradient field' (changes in value in height from surface). And so on.

John Searl, for example, used spinning magnet systems to gate dimensional or gravitational and thus temporal energies. Magnet motors are common in the over-unity field of research. It's all about the manipulation of the fluid vortex fields of electromagnetic/electrostatic/electrogravitic space.

In the case of the expression of the planet Uranus with respect to the energies in the solar system, it creates a schism or shearing of vortex energies..that is the electrical and vibrational expression of the solar system as a group. It is in motion against the prevailing fields that are expressed as holding and connecting the solar system together. This spinning vortex thing is what the Nazi scientists used in the 'Nazi bell' experiments to 'charge up' their complex molecular structures (red mercury) (look into alchemy-powders consumed for mental and physical human dimensional shifting) so they could then be popped like a balloon and snap to a lower energy state and thus create humongous explosions and energetic release, that has no radiation signature. This leads down the Dulles, CIA, FED, Nazi faction story, and 9/11 , mini nukes, nano explosives etc, whatever..and also leads to their understanding for dimensional doorways, underground bases, moon/mars bases, and Nazi UFO's in space, traveling though time. Ouch. Nasty thought there.

Thus, in over unity and or dimensional gating terms , it is possible to see it, the planet Uranus.... as a 'dimensional gating system'. Or doorway.

What does this have to do with Dolores? Well, we are talking about 'crunch time' in human awareness..as all these things are coming to a head, to some degree or another. And her story and her information does definitely fit into this whole thing. In the exact ways possible, well, that is for people to individually decide. The more information we have to work with, the better off we are. Hopefully. Her story and her works would come along down the planetary karmic wheel Uranus, whatever- end of things, if there is any plausibility to what I say here, at all.

If one is waiting for lightening to strike, first all the forces have to gather together and then align... to complete the action. In some ways, as above, so below, so the pattern of lighting can be seen to emerge in some fashion into these events which seem to be aligning with one another. Sooner or later, the energies commit to action, the lightening strike begins to occur, we begin to see the strike... and begin hear the boom. And this is happening in the human world of time and 3-d fairly slowly..as it always does, as our impression of such things go. But it does seem to be taking shape.

Anything that encompasses all -requires some aspect of all encompassing recognition in the individual, in order to have the individual see the shape of it. The pattern is big, the pattern is complex, and it is slow moving, to us.

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Now..go to the 'views on manifestation' thread, where I show how it works with dimensional egress and flow across dimensions in the real world. why the reptilians and similar use vortex grid points where the energies are high..in order to cross over, if you will. Where the barrier is weak. In the case of my last (latest as of the date of this post) post in that thread, I show a point on a vortex energy grid or ley line where there has to be a good 500-1000 lost souls showing themselves on a near daily basis..and this... for anyone who cares to go there and experience the phenomena, first hand.

Proof is available, the inescapable world changing kind. All you have to do..is be strong enough to face it and then know it as a concrete reality that is inescapable..within yourself.

Most of the threads on forums like this are about things that are, to me, minor in scope, flloating disconnected seeming bit of points...as most of us are in a state where it is difficult to focus on or see the grander shape of things. The points in each need to be connected into a cohesive whole, a single point that connects them a thread that runs through them all, if you will.

These minor scope subject threads, to me, are like we are trying to figure out if we have the funds to buy cheeseburger or not, for lunch. Kind of like the idea of a monkey trying to find a stick to poke into a sandhill and grab a few ants on a stick.

The world, in it's scope, is a bit bigger and complex, as a rolling, roiling changing, moving force.

The powers that seem to be ruling this world have worked very hard to make sure we remain by the sandhill and only poke at ants with our limited stick and not look up at the sun and the skies..and wonder at the shape of it all. If they keep or minds on the anthill..then they can manipulate us from beyond the notice of this limited scope, the anthill of our worldview.

If we remain in that smaller world, we can, for the most part, somehow manage to feel safe as the larger view can be unsettling and also cause a mental sort of vertigo, if you will. We have to look about and get beyond the fear and vertigo, and the confusion of the myriad unknowns that can be inherent in overwhelming sense of wonder of it all.

I have tried, so far, to frame it all so it can be seen for what it is. An opening of the understanding within the self --of the balance point in the spirals of the core of physical 3-d existence..where what we are and where we stand becomes the rock, the center of our existence and place in this wondrous space. And we can look outward..and inward..and expand our understanding into and over both worlds both dimensions..at the same time. Balance.

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21. ## Re: SPIRALS, everywhere in the ancient world why ?

I'll give you a living, breathing example, of this whole thing and how science finds them. One in the moment of happening. Today. right now.

http://www.physorg.com/news205476484.html

" With the goal to enable small electronic devices to harvest their own energy, researchers have designed a device that can convert light and thermal energy into electricity. When exposed to visible light and/or heat (infrared) radiation, the 20-mm-long carbon-nanotube-film-based cantilever bends back and forth repeatedly, as long as the light and/or heat remains on. This is the first time that such cyclic bending behavior, which the scientists call "self-reciprocation," has been observed in this kind of system."

The Science of it is only barely beginning to emerge. For example, the materials in this given device.. could only function if there were an inherent oscillatory characteristic to the materials in question. The energy that is interacting with the system, is unidirectional.

Yet the material (device in question) when exposed to the energy (thermal or photonic exposure), enters a resonant condition. This can be seen, in one view, as being due to the Inner-Outer layers of the spiral aspect of the duality of particles. The particles that make up what we call an electron**, proton, muon, etc. Even the photonic energy. Since these dual spinning vortexes are made up of an inner and and outer in near perfect balance (after all there is an inner and outer) and depending on the given interactive, this indicates a infinitesimally larger or different energy interactive 'state' for the given particle. Recall I said that the dual spin 'inner-outer' spiral seeming component is made up of 2-d oscillating infinite fields. So if a given energy level or a given photonic or thermal dual-vortexes particle impinges on the given dual vortex particle..you get a oscillatory effect..in resonance. Which is why resonance is effective in breaking energy systems apart, or add-subtracting energy from them.

In the specific case here, the heat or photon energy causes the system to go into resonance and release energy from the system. And you get your unidirectional energy release and energy interactive in a resonant system. Like a string on a bow. Infinite string on an infinite bow.

In classic terms of thermodynamics and energy release-exchange-interaction analysis, this system does not work. The only way it can function with regard to NOT having to make up new silly little rules or to involve maybes and fudge theories, which an alarmingly high amount of the science and physics you know - is based on using*. (Watch them do it. Watch physics fudging in action. Wait for it.)..is to look at this 2-d oscillating field interactive that describes the quantum particle formation. We know it as the spirals. the dual spiral. The base of all existence and dimensional interactives.

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*You have to look at the basics of the theoretical formation of the given physics theorem during it's creation by the given scientist--then you see it happen-you see them fudge maybes and guesses into the theoretical systems as in: "That measurement did not fit the expected outcome or my theorem to the needed level of perfection..., so I'll fudge the measurements or I'll fudge the theorem to make things fit. We'll ignore the anomalous bits, they are probably errors..anyway. We know we have measurement errors all the time, so I'll blame this one on measurement errors."

And this guess will become the fact underneath the creation of a new physical constant that becomes the basis of calculation in the given branch of physics, forevermore. Yet no one will ever go back and question the situation surrounding the given constant or base theory. It fits most of the time, if you allow for the 'expected' measurement errors!! Whoa, hold on there for just a second....

Acceptance of anomalies as not existing and tied into theorems at the base level --is common."the book says I have to do this. well.. where did the book come from??" Lost in the mists of time and human attention spans and capacity to understand ---their own capacity to model and fit, in the mind. When we see a mountain on mars and try to make a human face on it and declare it a reality, the scientist coming up with new theorems on the smallest parts of reality and similar -did exactly the same with their findings. They are human, just like you, same base mental identification issues with unknowns.

In their case, science issues. Even though they state they followed the rules...in a disturbingly high number of cases the underlying physical constant had anomalies and they had to do something with them..so in order to make the system work, they fudged the scientific equivalent of a face on mars to the resulting measurements, in order to gain a 'fit' to their models. And these became the base models of science. This is not always true..but it is true enough times to be highly disturbing. Since science has slipped into using the term LAW, which is a human term involving judgment, they cannot go back and ever find or fix the anomalies, as these things (theorems called 'laws' and physical constants) are now cemented in stone, like social contracts. Scientists and theoretical physicists KNOW this is wrong to do, yet they still do so. Every day, all day. They are human, after all, and have our same failings in their lives, even though they tend to not recognize it. Same as everyone else.

We end up with the equivalent of a religious law structure to things that should always come into question, as they cannot be stated as laws. For example, in this specific case, it is the THEORY of thermodynamics, which is a GROSS Newtonian (large group matter averaging) and is not quantum. Note that the THEORY of thermodynamics is misstated in every text you have ever seen..as immutable LAW. Which the creator of those theories would be horrified to see. God stepped in an handed down a book which somehow made thermodynamics a law, that humans are not allowed to question.

Science, specifically scientific theory and theoretical development- cannot ever have a law in it as science is a system of constantly evolving knowledge, which prior 'knowledge' might be found to be wrong, in the face of new evidence. Law, is for controlling humans in social structure and fabric and has exactly no place in science, whatsoever. If you catch someone stating anything in science, or metaphysics, for that matter, as a LAW, tell them it is not a law, it is a concept, or theory. Nothing s immutable, except for constant change. Mankind cannot grow if some part of it is bluntly speared to the ground with a spike through it. Law is for enforcing social, ie emotional norms on a large group..and if used at all, it will eventually prevent development. I hope it becomes clear that it has no place whatsoever in science. Who put it there? The 'German School of thought', is who ...the school of 'rote learning' that emerged not a few years and not a few feet from the situation surrounding Adam Weishaupt, the so-called creator of the 'Illuminati'. Well well well..that's interesting.

Back to the story at hand.

To explain this anomaly in the article...in this case, they have to go lower than quantum, to the oscillating 2-d fields that make of the dual spin characteristic of the charge-vector-frequency-ph-polarity-affinity-etc of the given particles in this situation, which are interacting with one another.

When this is done, when the quantum and the Newtonian fail to explain this effect, the 2-d infinite stress fields (more than one) 'vectoral interactive' creating a dual spin particle that has all the characteristics of a particle we know in science..that model DOES explain their unexplainable anomaly...to utter perfection..as well as explaining ALL known and unknown phenomena. It fixes all the fudge factors in physics and fixes all the psychic and dimensional phenomenon we have in front of us, in one fell swoop. Everything fits. This explains their resonance and their uni-directionality of the observed system.

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** Bet that many of you did not know, or have forgotten.....that in theoretical science, electrons have a secondary MIRROR opposite called a HOLE, which is a semi-imaginary component of an electron..that is known to move in the OPPOSITE direction as a moving electron. There's the snail trail of evidence for the dual spin 2-d interactive fields. It never fails to fit......

The hole came into being as a method of explaining the force exchanges that they could not explain or make fit to their theory of an electron. So, in essence, there is an unexplained anomaly -with imagined, fudged points within it at the most base level of atomic theory. So at the fundamental point of physics law, which involves thermodynamics..fudged unreality...somehow become immutable law.

Here's where it gets REALLY interesting. You see, the hole theory, this imaginary mirror particle that has to be used to explain the balancing of the forces..it came about to explain semi-conductors...which are literally an INCH away from superconductors. Superconductors..are outside of time, and outside of all external influence. Gravity, time, everything. They are a single unified entity. back to the dual spiral 2-d oscillating field interactive. Within perfect, superconducting current flow..there is no time, no gravity. It is a unified synchronized space with some important singularity aspects to it, this is how it can exclude electromagnetic and magnetic fields...remember? this point is only now becoming a tickle of a thought in theoretical physics and has yet to emerge. We shall see.

So..tied to the explanation of Semi-conductors is the dual spiral mirror..at the base level. The 2-d infinite energy oscillating fields..at their interactive point. Form a spinning particle, like a mini-dual spiral tornado.. which involves the creation of mirror dimensions (from different vantage points)...And this, from our vectoral vantage point we call this 3-d dimension... creates the appearance of the dual state 'wave particle'...exactly like 2-d man seeing things in our 3-d world, but flipped around. And thus....semi-conductors are an inch away from superconductors. And there you have it.

Another thing they don't tell you. They don't tell you that they cannot actually measure superconductivity directly. They can only use external phenomena of the interactions with superconductors to do theoretical analysis the current flow. If they try to measure it directly, they are interfering with the singularity of it and thus drag it out of superconductivity (becomes resistive) and it suddenly interacts with magnetism, electromagnetism, time, etc..it snaps out of it's singularity bubble. Which is why when you see superconductivity..it is always that dang block of superconducting materials...an absolute zero temperature cooled block..hanging above a magnet. So, you see..they tell you 'we measured' the current flow. But in fact, NO, they did not. They used an accepted methodology that is used in superconductivity for measuring current. They cannot increase the current flow, as when they do, it snaps out of it's unified resonant state/frequency. Which, of course, takes you back to the 2-d infinite oscillating fields at their meeting point, their interactive...creating the in-out spiral that describes a dual wave-particle function.

Thus...ergo... Reductio ad absurdum....a superconducting block..hovering above a magnet....is a unified, singularity..a singular -resonant -dimensional ....probability bubble.

If that does not make your world wobble, I do not know what can.

The bigger the problem, the longer it is unexplainable, the more difficult to fix... the more impossible to explain.... the bigger and the deeper, the more base the the mistake in the formation or formulation of the question. If you can't explain a phenomena, no matter how you try, the more deep the mistake hides in the foundation of the question itself.

As above so below. As outside, so within. same thing in physics. The things that physics cannot explain, the answers hide in the formation of the theories to date.

Exactly as the dual spiral predicts, on all levels. If you wish to successfully expand in one direction, to unfold outward, if you will, you must also expand internally. Balance in dual spiral interactives -as existence. Global scaling, on, in, and at..all levels. The tree must be anchored, with a depth and strength that is equal to it's growth.

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23. ## Re: SPIRALS, everywhere in the ancient world why ?

Posted by Carmody (here)
Thus...ergo... Reductio ad absurdum....a superconducting block..hovering above a magnet....is a unified, singularity..a singular -resonant -dimensional ....probability bubble.

If that does not make your world wobble, I do not know what can.
To jump ahead a few steps.......

Project Looking Glass........and 'The YellowBook' (as described by Dan Burisch.)

Southern Pacific

HUNTINGTON sleeps in a house six feet long.
Huntington dreams of railroads he built and owned.
Huntington dreams of ten thousand men saying: Yes, sir.

Blithery sleeps in a house six feet long.
Blithery dreams of rails and ties he laid.
Blithery dreams of saying to Huntington: Yes, sir.

Huntington,
Blithery, sleep in houses six feet long.

Carl Sandburg (1878–1967)

Are you awake, or are you in your house..six feet long?

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25. ## Re: SPIRALS, everywhere in the ancient world why ?

Because I haven't seen this spiral in the thread yet I thought I should post it.........

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27. ## Re: SPIRALS, everywhere in the ancient world why ?

spiral thoughts....compliments from maurice cotterell

peace and love always
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29. ## Re: SPIRALS, everywhere in the ancient world why ?

Posted by mike1414 (here)
spiral thoughts....compliments from maurice cotterell

peace and love always
mike
Study Cotterell's material!
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...8461#post58461

30. ## Re: SPIRALS, everywhere in the ancient world why ?

The one, the only the original Walter Russell ...

...is a great source on spiral based realities, forces, and dimensions. Not everyone gets it 100% right but Walter Russell's work is very extensive. His alternate take on the Periodic table of elements is excellent. In the least, it provides an alternate viewpoint that on it's own can provide to be a source of expending one's knowledge of how the world works. I find the Mendeleev chart to be nearly counter intuitive to me and the Walter Russell chart helps 'clear up' some of the weaknesses of the presentation of the Mendeleev Chart.

It is interesting to note that Walter's works are starting to disappear on the web. They were accessible to some degree, for a while, but now the main sites have gone.

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32. ## Re: SPIRALS, everywhere in the ancient world why ?

http://www.insidescience.org/researc...n_the_universe

October 12/2010

The universe made up of two primary string components?

hhmm.. decaying into higher frequencies and 2-d (near infinite) field constructs...and thus interacting with one another..to form 3-d duality wave-particle constructs? Hhhmmm....sounds familiar...

"First predicted back in the 1970s, cosmic strings are thought to be enormous fault lines that once existed in space. Not to be confused with the subatomic strings of string theory, cosmic strings are widely believed by astrophysicists to have formed billions of years ago, just moments after the Big Bang when the universe was still a soupy mass of extremely hot matter. As the universe cooled, defects formed between different regions of space that cooled in different ways, much like cracks forming in the ice on a frozen pond. These defects in space were the cosmic strings.

Although researchers have not yet directly observed the strings themselves, the team believes they found evidence of them hidden in ancient quasars, enormous black holes that shoot out mighty jets of light and radiation, found at the heart of many galaxies.

The presumed cosmic strings were incredibly narrow, thinner than the diameter of a proton, but so dense that a string less than a mile in length would weigh more than the Earth. As the universe expanded, so too did these strings until they either stretched across the known universe, or into enormous rings thousands of times larger than our galaxy.

"Their magnetic field sort of hitches a ride with the expansion of the universe," said Robert Poltis from the University at Buffalo in N.Y. and lead author of the paper reporting the findings.

Poltis' team analyzed the observational data of 355 quasars that reside in the far off corners of the universe. With careful scrutiny of the light emitted by these quasars, it is possible to determine the direction their jets are facing in space. The team found that 183 of them lined up to form two enormous (interlocking!! -ed. by Carmody) rings that stretch across the sky in a pattern unlikely to have formed by chance.

The team members think that the magnetic fields of the two cosmic strings affected the direction the quasars are pointing. The strings themselves should have long since dissipated by emitting gravitational radiation as they vibrated; however the original effect on the alignment of the quasars would have remained.

"The string itself is gone, but you get the magnetic field imprinted in the early universe," Poltis said. To check their hypothesis, they modeled the theorized effects of the strings on the formation of quasars, and found their predictions closely matched their observations."

You end up with two interlocked, interacting..and this becomes two interlocked torsional spin systems ...in extreme size and thus energy, and extreme frequency.

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