Liver detox / Liver flush

[sheme]

RESULT! fantastic information Bill I must try this as my gall bladder has been cross lately, cheers.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Hi, Folks -- I did a liver flush a couple of days ago. (I usually do one every year, though I never look forward to it very much!)

Like most other people, each time, I get the kind of liver stone/gallstone "gravel" that you'll see photos of in this thread. But this time, as well as the many smaller ones, I also got two stones which were larger than any others I've seen. They did raise my eyebrows a little! Whatever they are, I'm pretty happy they're no longer in my liver.

Holy crap those are huge, sell them on E bay, you are a celebrity

[Connecting with Sauce]

New moon coming on the weekend of the 29/30 March... Planning my 14th liver flush... Did my 13th last September.

[Connecting with Sauce]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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Hi, Folks -- I did a liver flush a couple of days ago. (I usually do one every year, though I never look forward to it very much!)

Like most other people, each time, I get the kind of liver stone/gallstone "gravel" that you'll see photos of in this thread. But this time, as well as the many smaller ones, I also got two stones which were larger than any others I've seen. They did raise my eyebrows a little! Whatever they are, I'm pretty happy they're no longer in my liver.





Out of interest, the protocols I used were the standard Hulda Clark ones, below.

Notes: I was NOT exact with the timing, btw, which may not matter as long as it's approximately right. I also had no grapefruit, so I substituted with freshly squeezed orange and lime. It worked in exactly the same way. And for the first time, rather than freshly squeezed apple juice (which softens the bile ducts prior to the cleanse) for three days I drank Malic Acid (one teaspoon dissolved in a liter of water per day). The Malic Acid was from here, and as far as the liver flush is concerned it's the same active ingredient as in Apple Juice.

• For several days prior to the cleanse: drink plenty of organic, fresh Apple Juice, as much as you like.
• The day of the cleanse: don't eat anything containing any fat at all in the morning (important), and don't eat or drink anything whatsoever after 2 o'clock. If you break this rule, you could feel quite ill later.
• Get your Epsom salts ready. Mix 4 tbs (tablespoons) in 3 cups of water, and pour this into a jar. This makes four servings of 3/4 cup each.
• 6:00 PM: Drink one serving (3/4 cup) of the Epsom salts drink.
• 8:00 PM: Repeat.
• 9:45 PM: Pour 1/2 cup olive oil into a pint jar or bottle. Add 3/4 cup freshly squeezed grapefruit juice. Shake vigorously.
• 10:00 PM: Drink this mixture. Lie down immediately on your back with your head high on your pillow. Keep perfectly still for at least 20 minutes. Go to sleep.
• When you wake up, after 6 AM: Take your third dose of Epsom salts.
• 2 Hours later: Take your fourth and final dose of Epsom salts.
• 2 Hours later again: You can eat, starting with juice and fruit. Keep your meals light for the rest of the day.
• The stones will start to appear after the third and particularly after the fourth dose of Epsom Salts, and may continue to appear throughout the day until the evening. Your diarrhea (which is brought on purposefully by the salts) will die down during the day. Remember to drink lots of water or juice that day, because you may be a little dehydrated and not realize it.

Great to see you're doing the liver flush regularly Bill. I recently did my 14th liver flush on a new moon as was rather shocked by the amount which came out... I thought my liver was purged as I've passed parasites on my 4th liver flush (a whole sieve full) and I've also passed green balls upto ~40 mm in diameter on my 6th and 7th liver flush. In Andreas Moritz Liver flush book he recommends doing one per month until the liver is purged and clear this he says can take 8 - 16 flushes every month until clear. I did 1 per week for 3 weeks.

I share a load of photos on my facebook page where I also try and raise awareness >> https://www.facebook.com/#!/john.sho...5931821&type=3

Not sure how many flushes you have done in the past? but once the liver is purged then a yearly flush is recommended. Based on your comments of "what came out" I get the impression that nothing came out before like that for you ... I know LOADS who have had "outcomes" like that.

Great to see you're liver and gallbladder flushing.

PS BTW I learnt about liver flushing after meeting someone at the Project Camelot Zurich conference in 2009 and then did 12 flushes from that point... A few of the pictures are in the old thread I started on PA1 and laterly on the Facebook link above.

[Connecting with Sauce]

Posted by chocolate (here)
This is the most amusing thread I have come across thus for on PA. Really! You are trully an amazing and curious beings, some specifically.
Along the read I was wondering if I had to thank the post or just quickly move forward.

I decided to interject here because I think I may have a solution to the epsom salt problem. I have to say I haven't used that ... wonderful thing ... for years. I don't do any of what you are doing during full moons , but I have some other ways of keeping health issues at check.

So, if anyone's interested, please let me know.
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The explanation would be a bit lengthy. It is based on a yogic cleanse and consists of water and sea salt. I hate it, but not as much as the epsom salt. <-

Hey Chocolate you need to check out my URINE THERAPY thread which is also in my sign off I love taking the piss being English

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Posted by Ilie Pandia (here)
Ah, good for you Bill!!

As an update from myself, I've been doing the flushes at every 6 months (after my initial spree of 14) and the last one (in Jan 2014) did not have any stones! So I am now switching to doing it annually for maintenance.

Great news! ... I thought I'd got them all out!... but No. 14 gave me a shock.. maybe it was the timing to the new moon... or the fact that the 13th one 6mths ago shifted some stuff DEEP inside not sure but plan to do another one soon... My wife and Mother are saying they plan to do some more so a good excuse to drink apple juice.

[Connecting with Sauce]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Paula (here)
For the epsom, I direct the yuck as far back as possible and with the least amount of tastebuds involved. Quickly, and with mind elsewhere.

Hey, I just got this idea - How about use pepper corns, whole clove or strong mouth spray/mouth wash to numb taste buds?

Posted by 778 neighbour of some guy (here)
I already fixed that problem Paul, I made capsules with the Epsom, piece of cake, the caps take a few minutes extra to dissolve btw, about 5 min, that shouldn't be a problem what so ever, results are the same. I make them for my superfood powders and Kurkumin too.

I have the capsules and capsule maker, but find using them rather tedious, so tend to not use it.

I did a google search for "How can I make the Epsom salts taste better", and came up with a couple of ideas - add lemon juice or Vitamin C (ascorbic acid form) to the epsom salt and water mix.

But then I noticed that I always have some grapefruit juice in the refrigerator and tried that. A winner, for me anyway. Just put the one (1) tablespoon of Epsom salts for each dose into a glass of grapefruit juice, instead of a glass of water. Much easier taste.

... excuse me for a moment ... gotta run

Paul,
I'd be cautious about using too much citrus during the salt stage as it may effect the bile flow later stage.. just my intuition here... but the oil and grapefruit is there for a reason to create bile flow.

We find sucking on a slice of lemon is a way to take the taste away... I just focus my attention elsewhere and neck it then don't breath afterwards as this is what amplifies the taste... Bllarr... Epsom salts especially the forth glass in the morning is the one!! :D

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Connecting with Sauce (here)
I'd be cautious about using too much citrus during the salt stage as it may effect the bile flow later stage.. just my intuition here

I noticed no difference in bile or "kidney stone" flow, whether using water or grapefruit juice (about 6 oz) for the Epsom Salts solution.

[conk]

When drinking the Epsom Salts have a big pinch of baking soda handy. Drink, then swish the baking soda around in the mouth. This instantly neutralizes the salts and returns the pH back to normal. You'll actually observe a mild sweet taste, which is preferable to the harshness of the salts.

I'm gulping apple juice just now in anticipation of a flush this Saturday. Too bad the full moon rushed by without my noticing, as that was the optimal time. So dread the intense hunger pangs to be experienced on Saturday evening/night.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Posted by floweroflife (here)
I would like to start my detox this next full moon and was wondering if anyone could list from start to finish exactly what one flush would consist of. From preparing before, during, and after the detox. I am sure that the info is here just trying to filter through it all. I suffer from horrible rage at random times that I have not been able to control and this is something that would help immensely. This is entirely a new subject for me no one I know in my immediate life knows anything about taking proper care of your body. Thanks again for any help.

p.s. I also am doing UT therapy and wonder if that would interfere at all.

This might also be Candida related, have you checked the Gum Turpentine thread?

[778 neighbour of some guy]

bump..........to compliment the info in the other thread for those who are interested.

[Connecting with Sauce]

Posted by 778 neighbour of some guy (here)
bump..........to compliment the info in the other thread for those who are interested.

Which other thread 778 ? If it is about liver flushing should they not be merged... and maybe tagged as getting the bile inclusions cleared is one of the ways to get "the self" functioning correctly. As is getting pure clean waters inside and purging the inner terrain... which is why I drink distilled waters and use urine therapy (the "Taking the piss your own perfect medicine" thread I started covers that nicely).

I think the liver flush and the urine thread should ideally be tagged as they really do bring balance very quickly and helps improve the bodies ability to protect it self, not just physically, but also psychically and energetically.

[Connecting with Sauce]

Posted by 778 neighbour of some guy (here)
This is the funniest thread ever imo, people who only read this stuff do not realize, what is going on here, they see some pictures, secret recipes and some chatting about results.

While when you participate, you are some some dude, standing in your kitchen, scooping Epson in some sort of container/shaker, make measurements, slam the ugly drink down, wonder how long it takes before you have to make a run for it, did I buy toilet paper today, crap, I should have bought some wet ones too, stomach and intestines rumbling, uneasy shifting your butt around in your chair, desperately trying to prevent involuntary sfincterwinking ( at least until you made it the bathroom) and damn, theres another glass coming, and then some juice with oil you have to prepare, mix, see of the consistency is to your liking, drink it, lay down, try to be still ( sometimes clenching your buttcheeks together), taste the exquisite oil and grapefruit in your mouth while laying there, thinking 'there better be stones in that bowl tomorrow, dammit', next day, yep stones, maybe I can scoop them out with a net, that's a big one, I'm gonna poke that one with a stick first, it might still be alive , that should teach it a lesson, ha, and you, nah, not big enough, nope, youre not gonna be in the picture, neither do you, ooooooooo aaaaaaaaaaa look at that one, that's a keeper, you are going to be on the interwebs my little green friend, now lay still, gotta make picture, behold Avalon, my stones are massive, damn, im proud, ha. Good work Ed, good work.

That's my house

Our house too...

How many have you done now?

I've done 14. The last two were almost 2 years from the first 12 which I started documenting on PA1's thread mentioned on post number one of this thread.

Our old alcohol cupboard is now full of Epson Salts and other such tonics, clays and mixtures... and I have a few glasses of pee for use with enemas and such in various stages of fermentation / storage. It is a strange world we are in when the "normal" is damaging to our health and the healthy is classed as "wierd", "usually" or "disgusting" ... strong programming has been instilled within us to avoid these things which are so healing and a lot of the things in health food shops have been "tampered" with to make them either not effective or have fillers within them to make them manufacturing "feasible" but the potency is reduced or non-existent when they do... and Aspartame is added or Flavours which are not really traceable...

The thing I like about liver flushing and I have probably posted it in probably a few times... is that Olive Oil and Grapefruits can not really be banned. And getting hold of magnesium salts is easy enough as it is used in spa baths and floatation tanks etc... so really this healing method and the use of whole organic food or foraged wild food... and urine therapy and / or distilled water of > 3-4 Litres over the day is really all we need to get into balance... Know the source of your food... and look for work-a-rounds.

I asked in "Boots" in the UK recently for Castor oil. "THEY" who ever they are have made a statement they no longer recommend it for internal use... so you can now no longer buy it... in Boots anyway.

Knowing what "THEY" are planning is all we should do. Observe what they do, and look for work-a-rounds... and do not get emotionally drawn into this game of fear-porn that some of the alternative media has become.

[Connecting with Sauce]

Posted by Paul (here)
An update to an old thread ... I realized a couple of days ago that the olive oil and vinegar dressing I was putting on my salads was much the same as the oil and juice mixture used in a liver flush ... only the salad dressing is much tastier. So I this time, in a liver flush I am just completing today, I used the following instead of the 4 oz oil and 6 oz juice:

• 4 ounces olive oil
• 2 ounces apple cider vinegar
• 1/4 tsp each of: salt, pepper, garlic salt, onion flakes, oregano, thyme, basil

Shaken, not stirred (as James Bond would say.)

Yummy. And I now verified, a half day later, that the gallstones are coming out just fine.

Wow... Apple Cider Vinegar may also be easier to get hold of too for some than Citrus fruit!

lol to the Herb dressing

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Posted by Connecting with Sauce (here)

Posted by 778 neighbour of some guy (here)
bump..........to compliment the info in the other thread for those who are interested.

Which other thread 778 ? If it is about liver flushing should they not be merged... and maybe tagged as getting the bile inclusions cleared is one of the ways to get "the self" functioning correctly. As is getting pure clean waters inside and purging the inner terrain... which is why I drink distilled waters and use urine therapy (the "Taking the piss your own perfect medicine" thread I started covers that nicely).

I think the liver flush and the urine thread should ideally be tagged as they really do bring balance very quickly and helps improve the bodies ability to protect it self, not just physically, but also psychically and energetically.

Hi Sauce,

Ah, no merge, that was not my intention, but there's a second thread, I though it might come in handy for the newbie interested ones to see both threads on the same page beneath each other for additional info and yucky pictures. But I understand it might be a bit confusing, so, apologies for that.

Our house too...

How many have you done now?

Thirteen or one less so far, still feel like a weirdo though, I put the Epsom in capsules, makes it a little bit more pricy but a lot less disgusting, so there you go

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[Connecting with Sauce]

Posted by 778 neighbour of some guy (here)

Posted by Connecting with Sauce (here)

Posted by 778 neighbour of some guy (here)
bump..........to compliment the info in the other thread for those who are interested.

Which other thread 778 ? If it is about liver flushing should they not be merged... and maybe tagged as getting the bile inclusions cleared is one of the ways to get "the self" functioning correctly. As is getting pure clean waters inside and purging the inner terrain... which is why I drink distilled waters and use urine therapy (the "Taking the piss your own perfect medicine" thread I started covers that nicely).

I think the liver flush and the urine thread should ideally be tagged as they really do bring balance very quickly and helps improve the bodies ability to protect it self, not just physically, but also psychically and energetically.

Hi Sauce,

Ah, no merge, that was not my intention, but there's a second thread, I though it might come in handy for the newbie interested ones to see both threads on the same page beneath each other for additional info and yucky pictures. But I understand it might be a bit confusing, so, apologies for that.

Our house too...

How many have you done now?

Thirteen or one less so far, still feel like a weirdo though, I put the Epsom in capsules, makes it a little bit more pricy but a lot less disgusting, so there you go

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Ah, yes you loose count after a while... I wish I had photographed and documented ALL of the OUTCOME from my liver flushes stopped at ~5 or 6... especially 7-9th ones.. as some really large greens ones came out... one was ~40mm in diameter...
13 and 14th flushes are photographed though...and may do another in the next week or so...

I found the thread : A liver flush diary

If people want to see what comes out from one person on the first few liver flushes...

I just recommend people just do it though, rather than reading about it... that is why I contribute on here to help make change and share this knowledge and the more doing it the better. Share and info bomb

[bettye198]

The problem with liver detox is that many people still have loads of metal and chemical toxicity and when the detox begins, the health picture shows a health crisis which many tag as healing crisis. The old adage of no pain no gain is folly. Any detox must be very gentle, held with a wise old hand. It has detrimental side effects maybe releasing toxic metals into the system that affect major organs like brain and heart and lungs. Trendy acts like this can be very dangerous. A good naturopathic or advanced nutritional Doc should advise.

[kanishk]

I completed my First liver and Gallbladder cleanse today.

Yesterday when I was taking Epsom salt drinks I was not feeling any diarrhea. In the noon I ate rice and so I took enema just before taking olive oil and nothing came out. Then I drank the olive oil and orange juice mixture and it felt nothing, it just felt similer to drinking regular juce. And then on bed I was expecting some pain, or may be some sensation of those bile stones coming out of liver and gallbladder, but I felt nothing. And I had sound sleep as well.

So today morning I thought this gallbladder cleanse is a failure for me. What would I have done wrong. Then I drank the 3rd Epsom salt portion and was feeling thirsty. So after some time I drank lots of water and pressure started to build. So I was in toilet thinking that what is happening is just like a salt water flush and no gall stones, but I was not looking properly. I realized after some time that there are small green things there.

WOW then I went to toilet many times and lots of green stones, green sand, yellow sand came out. So finally it is a success. My first Liver and gallbladder cleanse.

From last three year I was just waiting for right moment to do this procedure and thinking that I am not getting the time or the proper time to do it. Now I am not afraid and will continue to do flushes continuously till no stones come out in flushes.

[Noir]

Hey Guys,
When I found this post I really got curious about it and looking around I found thhis video that's pretty well explained.
I do not know if this is actually right, but since it seems it could be very important for your health I ll post it here.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=_v4jME856DU

[Ilie Pandia]

Hm... the fact that someone wears a white coat and a stethoscope around their neck, does not make one a doctor.

I did try to look her up, but the name "Dr X" it's just to mysterious to find anything useful. Not a good sign. And Dr. X does not inspire a lot of confidence.

Another thing. Her explanation around minute 3 that the oil does not get into the Liver and therefore it cannot clean the liver it's completely silly (not to mention stupid). Nobody claims that the oil gets into the liver. The oil it's only a "stimulant" for the bile to be produced and the gall bladder to contract.

Based on her own explanation any kind of medicine does nothing, 'cause you swallow it and then it goes into the toilet. That's not what a doctor would ever say. As soon as you put things into your mouth, the body starts to prepare itself to receive that substance, be it oil or something else. You can even just smell stuff and feel your internal organs getting ready for digestion. So... the fact that the oil does not get into the liver, that was OBVIOUS for everyone, and that does NOT mean that the oil has no effect on the liver or the gall bladder.

Another thing:

My grandmother had liver problems. Because she was too old to be operated on, her doctor (yes a real doctor, in an office, that signs stuff and responds legally for what he says, not some "YouTube so called doctor" ) told her to drink some oil mixed with lemon juice to stimulate the liver. Indeed, not in so large quantities as the flush recommends, but still. And it was helpful as my grandmother got better and surgery was not needed. Go figure...

For me personally, doing the flushes and the other detox procedures that Andreas Moritz recommended in his book made a major difference in my life, my health and my fitness. So at this point... people can "say" whatever they want . I have my body as evidence that it helped, and the toxins have been removed. And not everything that go out was green or soft or soapy.

To conclude. This particular liver flush IS NOT for everyone. The way I did it was to read a couple of books about it, test for allergies and get ready to intervene if something goes wrong. I agree, that just by reading something off the Internet and trying it on your body, without properly understanding what are you doing, can be dangerous for your health. So I never did that. I've actually spent a couple of months studying this stuff. And I urge anyone who is looking into changes in their diet and stuff, to actually study this and understand, as best as they can, what their body needs. Even Andreas, in his book, urges people to resist the temptation to jump to the "recipe" and actually read the information.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Ilie Pandia (here)
Hm... the fact that someone wears a white coat and a stethoscope around their neck, does not make one a doctor.

I did try to look her up, but the name "Dr X" it's just to mysterious to find anything useful. Not a good sign. And Dr. X does not inspire a lot of confidence.

Another thing. Her explanation around minute 3 that the oil does not get into the Liver and therefore it cannot clean the liver it's completely silly (not to mention stupid). Nobody claims that the oil gets into the liver. The oil it's only a "stimulant" for the bile to be produced and the gall bladder to contract.

In my view ... your critique of Dr X's evaluation of liver flushes is accurate, but too kind .