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    Default AP: Nothing alive above 35 feet deep in the Gulf

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    I'm a diver, so for me this is especially poignant... but it's a shame from any perspective, especially the marine life's perspective.

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    Default Re: AP: Nothing alive above 35 feet deep in the Gulf

    So, how much of the GOM is actually dead? Does anyone even know for sure, or is it still dead zones that we are seeing?
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    Default Re: AP: Nothing alive above 35 feet deep in the Gulf

    Not being fully cognizant of the scientific intricacies of such, all I an do is speculate.

    My speculation is based on a general understanding..and in this case centers around the idea of stratification of waters or fluids, due to atomic weights and molecular combinations. in this case, something combining with the water molecules in the top 35 feet of the water. That which is below, being of a heavier weight and a different molecular combination on the H20 level.

    Meaning, something in the upper 35 feet has removed or altered the normal binding considerations of the water in that layer. And if it is taking place in all that water, it is likely done through a fairly complex molecule added in at some point and it has attacked a critical function in the ocean water itself. It might even be microbial, and that is not a good thing, as such a thing can grow. There are all kinds of explorations that can go down that road.

    The best hope, actually...is that it is a form of microbial bloom that has occurred and has altered the stratification and it was based on a microbial bloom from the oil slick and oil plumes (99% of them were not seen by man on the surface, yes, that much oil was released). However, it is incredibly, unlikely that the creators of corexit did not know that something like this would happen. You don't create something like corexit and not do extensive testing on it. The reason i say best hope, is that the bloom ends with the subterranean organic chemical and oil mix that was released-- being exhausted of the chemical mix that the bloom needs in order for it to grow.

    And no, we can't consider that they were incompetent. Incompetence (as a viewpoint and us attempting to fill in a blank) in such a situation is tied to our own personal estimates of our knowledge in these areas which is minimal at best.

    What I'm saying is that the average person has no knowledge in these areas so their judgment call on this is that 'somehow', the scientists and corporations involved in this situation had no knowledge and are incompetent as well. What has happened is an accident and I'm angry over their incompetence..they should have known better!!

    So we cannot make judgment calls on their lack of or possession of incompetence as viewed from our (the public) knowledge base, even though we will. This is actually very wrong to do.

    The proper thing to do is think it through and then come to the very unsettling consideration that they fully and well knew what they were doing. They possessed the science and I'm sure they did incredibly exhaustive and deep testing on ocean waters in controlled situations and those tests involved flowing systems and sea life as well. Corexit has been around for quite some time. Since before the Exxon Valdez spill.

    If they do not (Do exhaustive testing), they would never have known if corexit would hide the plumes or not..and the corexit did indeed hide the plumes..so they obviously did do much testing to get to that point. In those tests, including live ones...over time (checking to see if the plumes would re-appear, obviously a deep worry of theirs!), these stratification and dead zones WOULD have appeared, no doubt.

    So the essence of the situation is that the creators and users of corexit certainly did know that this would happen.

    Now, why the use, why the result ...and what is their intent of this result? Where is this going? At the minimum...how have they prepared to spin these results...when they knew, at least a decade ahead of time.....that if corexit was used on such a humongous scale....that this would happen?

    It could even be a salt separation thing, and it might be tied to the internal breakdown that occurs when living things (humans, mammals, etc) are exposed to the corexit. It might be wise to check salt content in and below the stratification layer. Check if there is a change in the salt chemical constitution... and what it binds to -pH, etc. Since it is attacking cellular considerations in the human body to the point of total breakdown...then it is maybe in there, in that area... -somewhere.

    If this indeed turns out to be true, then this can be frightening. Mineral (rock) based 'salts' (table salt) are toxic to the human body and only sea salts are good for the human body, and for life on this planet..

    A stratification of the waters like that might and is likely surrounding the salts in the ocean, which is the basis of all life on this planet.

    Whatever it is, there is a lot of it ...and this gives you an idea about how much they lied about the amount of complex 'pre organic chemical stew' proto-oil that came out of that heated deep subterranean reservoir ...that never should have been breached.
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