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    How about we clone the planet? Make one a light earth, and one a dark earth. All the jerks get put on the dark one and they can trash the place if they want. All the non-jerks who long for something better get put on the light one, and they can turn it into something amazing, in harmony with their fellow humans.
    Because there'd end up being 15 people on the one planet, and 7-12 billion on the other one who would see what a great deal we had going on, and they'd come and ruin it.

    I know. Sucks to be us. But there are benefits to awareness, as I'm sure you can attest to.

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    Offer a year's supply of hard liquor, porn, hookers and cash to men who will have a vasectomy. Same for women, just exchange the porn for gift certificates to their favorite boutiques. Any woman who would trade her breeding rights for cash, shouldn't be having kids anyway.

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    ....Autumn, I'm Gay. VOILA! I'm doing my part *bows*

    Carmody said:

    Example: If you were on my boat and would not stop freaking out, and stop being unaware that your blindness is going to sink the boat, I'd push you off. No matter how compassionate I might be, I'd look at the logic of the situation....and... push you off.

    I agree with you. But there's one problem. You're going to have a fight on your hands. And it's not one person, it's...how many billion?

    On that, I had a recent experience where I had a clear, bright, real view of the truth that I wanted to share with someone. So I tried. And it was apparent they didn't want to hear it. What can I do? I can't make them hear it. I'm going to write some stuff everyone knows already. You still have to try though right?

    So, I'm going to try and calm the person down. I know, futile probably. Integrity demands it though. I'm in a place where this stuff hasn't happened until recently. Saskatchewan has this way of being the last place on earth where this stuff happens. In the last 15-20 years, the Qu'Appelle valley near where I live, a place that used to be...well you could walk in the hills for hours without hitting a fence even. Now, monster houses taking care of the view because people want to get away from the city, the bustle, the noise, the spiritual pollution. So they build big to get away, have all the creature comforts, and ruin the valley. Immigration is up here. Huge. And the people who come here are very hard working, very family oriented, and are chasing the same dream we all have been born into: the big house in the valley. There are still places where there is little to no light pollution. There are still places where there are no people for miles. But they're disappearing fast.

    I'm not going to push the guy out of the boat. I'm going to jump out and swim. The problem is the boat. Not the people in it. Learn woodcraft. Silly question, how many people know how to tell west from east in the mountains if you can't see the sun? Can you tell what to eat if you're away from human population in the bush? Find out what you can eat off the land where you live, and get used to eating stuff that doesn't taste good. Seriously. Practice. Make friends with your neighbours. In the event stuff does go down badly and you're in the city, you're going to need allies. You're going to need people who can work collectively.

    Plant a tomato. Get heirloom seeds and just put them away, it's cheap and it can't hurt. Carbon...carbon will purify water. Find out where your water sources are. Here's one. The back of your toilet has a few litres of clean drinking water. Carbon and sugar when ground together create a source *BANG* of fire. You're going to need to know some of these things. You can get carbon at any pet store, it's a key component in aquarium filters.

    People are going to loose their heads no matter what. Strengthen yours.

    And don't stop doing what we do in the mean time. Yeah, the planet may go pop. There's a prophesy up here that my then teacher taught me about the end times (end not necessarily meaning complete total end, but an end of one way of life forcing a new way of life) that those who are Anishnabe, the keepers of the earth, will be able to survive because they know how to live in balance with the earth.

    I'm saying it's not enough to read about how. Go out and DO. You don't teach your kids how to tie their laces by reading about it, you make them do it. You ride a bike and fall off. Dig up some cat tail roots, cook them, try it so you know what to expect. And do it with your friends, the people who will help.

    I will keep recycling, I will keep gardening, doing my thing to consume less and use what I have more, and telling people to do this as well. David Suzuki in a recent MacLeans article has said that in his opinion, Environmentalism has failed. All we have left is hope.

    Have faith in God, as the saying goes, and tie up your camel.

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    ....Autumn, I'm Gay. VOILA! I'm doing my part *bows*
    Honestly Milneman, I think that gayness is just one of God's answers to over-population. I don't have any kids and am past breeding age now, so great! You're gay and I'm blissfully barren! High five!

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    People make everything so complicated. I know so many people who have put their kids through a battery of tests to see if they are hyper active. The test to see if they truly can't, not won't but can't stay still is to get them a big bag of candy and tell them if they can stay perfectly still for 2 minutes, they can have the candy. If they can't stand perfectly still, they're hyper active. End of story. My solutions would save the world a lot of aggravation. Off topic, I know, but somewhat related.

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    Please watch this eugenics on air RT TV

    http://rt.com/shows/the-truthseeker/...bloomberg-693/

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    Romanski, I watched that piece a while back, and while I am a huge fan of RT, I think it's a terrible piece of yellow journalism. Bill Gates' drawing attention to the fact that the world is over-populated while seeking solutions, hardly seems like a moral crime to me. That he is a shareholder of Monsanto, too, is of no consequence. It's apples and oranges.

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    Quote Posted by AutumnW (here)
    Romanski, I watched that piece a while back, and while I am a huge fan of RT, I think it's a terrible piece of yellow journalism. Bill Gates' drawing attention to the fact that the world is over-populated while seeking solutions, hardly seems like a moral crime to me. That he is a shareholder of Monsanto, too, is of no consequence. It's apples and oranges.
    I know it shows bill gates, but did you watch this one, its more than bill gates.

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    Quote Posted by norman (here)
    Has anyone else here noticed that global economic growth and global population growth seem to be linked in some way?
    Pyramid Ponzi schemes, or what we call 'capitalism', requires a limitless numbers of new bodies to fill the bottom tiers of the pyramid.

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    Romanski, I watched that piece a while back, and while I am a huge fan of RT, I think it's a terrible piece of yellow journalism. Bill Gates' drawing attention to the fact that the world is over-populated while seeking solutions, hardly seems like a moral crime to me. That he is a shareholder of Monsanto, too, is of no consequence. It's apples and oranges.
    I know it shows bill gates, but did you watch this one, its more than bill gates.



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    Norman, I did watch that segment some time ago, and it made me cringe. Russia controlled it's population by limiting living space for it's citizens. If a couple is shoehorned into 400 square feet, they aren't going to be having many children. RT, much as I love them, will throw everything including the kitchen sink at anything outside of their sphere.

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    Quote Posted by Bright Garlick (here)
    This is a question for those who really understand the human population problem - who see the widest possible perspectives. So please don't respond if you want to trump the "population problem is a myth argument" or say it's wrong to talk about the issue or create solutions. I understand that many people feel that way. People get so upset about this issue of population reduction, because they only interpret it through the lens of killing the masses but there are other ways. It's because so many people get so upset, that this stuff is decided in secret. It is almost impossible to have an open discussion about the subject in public but I have faith that it might be a little different here. Might ?

    So, to all those thinkers and feelers who can imagine. How can we reduce the human population and how might these solutions unfold ? What methods are available and what methods might be considered most ethically sound ?

    To those who are upset about the subject, please consider that this is an issue that countless alien races have had to deal with at some point in their evolution. If they found a way to live in a more harmonious way with their planet, with fewer numbers, so can we. If if we don't, we will create countless more problems for ourselves.

    I shall primarily play the role of an observer in any discussion that takes place.
    (As will those with a vested interest in the subject !!!)

    May you all be happy and well and be a light unto yourselves !

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    I'm sorry, but it IS a myth.

    Just like the myth that most or all alien races have had such problems in the past. They haven't. They discovered space travel and there was nobody to lock the door of their backyard.

    They might say their population is 5 million total. Ask them in return "Right, but how many planets have you colonized in total?" and there will be an awkward silence.

    Some of them wont have a problem saying they number in 16 billion for example. A very good example, of actual overpopulation is right next door, a planet in Barnard's star, with 25 billion.

    You people need to tell the difference between myth and fact. Fact is, we have this thing called population knots. And selective allocation of resources. Together, they paint the picture as if there isn't food, water, and material resources for everybody, which is a notorious lie.

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    Quote Posted by araucaria (here)
    If you want to increase growth on a tree, you prune it hard. If you want to reduce growth on just one side, you prune the other side hard. Similarly, if you want to decrease the human population, you avoid wars. Wars kill a lot of people, but like heavily pruned trees, regeneration happens faster than the background level of growth.

    If there has been a Depopulation program in place since 1945, then it has accompanied a rise from around 2 billion to 7 billion. Sounds pretty ineffective to me. Incompetent topiary.

    I don’t know what the equivalent to ‘pruning the other side’ might entail. However, it seems clear that simply doing nothing – apart from looking after and educating people better – is going to produce better results than either wars or depopulation programs.

    The underlying problem here though, is our attitude to growth. Growth is the healthy state of living organisms. I personally have stopped growing in height, and even in width , but I hope I am still growing in stature or wisdom. We need to channel this natural potential for growth: if not in numbers, then where do we take this?

    I fear that many of those in favour of depopulation are simply in favour of less humanity, where a reduction in quantity entails a corresponding reduction in quality. I feel on the contrary that our present large numbers may be taking us to a tipping point where a truly democratic decision (one man one vote) can be reached to take humanity in a positive direction – positive, because most humans are basically positive but individually very weak, and the negative ones are a tiny minority of powerful beings whose overthrow calls for quantity to make up for any lack in quality.
    We need a bonsai approach to everything. Humanity has to look at it's basic nature and flow with what works and is beautiful and constrain itself where possible. This may sound silly, but it isn't meant to. I don't know why we have to leave such a big footprint. I mean that literally. If people were only three feet tall, think how much that would help.

    I have often pondered the interest in elfin imagery, in popular culture, and also elfin imagery when under the influence of hallucinogens, mushrooms, etc...Is this imagery, this archetype, part of a general pre-cognition, a sense that we are heading towards reduced size as well as circumstance. Will our descendants be tiny in stature and playful in nature. Play is what you get when you take the aggressive impulse and 'prune' it a certain way, too. A dog will put it's mouth over your hand, but not bite down. The impulse is founded in aggression, but constrained and redirected. Will we become elfin? is this what it's all about?

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    ....Autumn, I'm Gay. VOILA! I'm doing my part *bows*
    Honestly Milneman, I think that gayness is just one of God's answers to over-population. I don't have any kids and am past breeding age now, so great! You're gay and I'm blissfully barren! High five!
    Oh !, I was thinking it was more like Henry Kissinger's and Zbigniew Brzezinski's answer to over population.

    I recall a past president of the World Bank saying " My number one priority is third world poverty ". He didn't elaborate on what he meant by that.
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    ....Autumn, I'm Gay. VOILA! I'm doing my part *bows*
    Honestly Milneman, I think that gayness is just one of God's answers to over-population. I don't have any kids and am past breeding age now, so great! You're gay and I'm blissfully barren! High five!
    I don't think God has anything to do with it. More underpopulated worlds have much of the same.

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    enlightenment/awareness...or physically die. The gun is against your head.

    Choose.

    Too late.. but I like your perseverance and optimism

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    Hi Bill,
    "Already apparently on the way to that, the oceans and forests are dead or dying, and in the sixth mass extinction since the life began on earth, we're losing hundreds of species every day: tens of thousands a year."
    Although, I certainly believe that we have been very poor custodians of our planet in so many ways, I have always been bothered by the above quote which has appeared in several locations. With all do respect, it seems quite an exaggeration. my usual response is to name even ten of those hundreds of species per day.
    Besides, if even a portion of the dire predictions restated in the "why are elites so afraid" thread come true, environmental issues, however valid, will seem trivial in comparison.
    All best wishes as always

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    You people need to tell the difference between myth and fact. Fact is, we have this thing called population knots. And selective allocation of resources. Together, they paint the picture as if there isn't food, water, and material resources for everybody, which is a notorious lie.
    Even if there are enough nonrenewable resources for more humans on this planet--which I do not believe is the case--you must also take into consideration all other species. More humans means more housing, which in turn means less wildlife habitat. Less wildlife habitat means that there will be no room for bees to prosper. Without bees, our crops will not be pollinated and we will not have enough food.

    Bees are just one example. We are intimately tied to the life cycles of all organisms. There is no way to argue this. It is not a notorious lie.
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    Quote Posted by Limor (here)
    The root of this problem surprisingly originates not in the physical realm as in the spiritual realm.
    True dat!! When will we ever learn? Answer: we are, and none too soon.

    I've had a nice little nightmare vision for a number of years...that the so-called "greys" are not aliens from another planet but our own descendants - they live in an environment so blasted and mutated that little survives. They have technology but little else. They are so mutated they can only reproduce in the laboratory. Having mastered time-travel, they are coming back seeking to repair their DNA and perhaps do something about the processes set in motion so long before their time, that resulted in the nearly-dead planet they inhabit.

    I hope I'm wrong. Scientists are just beginning to examine the real possibility of time-travel. This would explain the abductions, the cattle mutilations, etc. Plus I think there is real evidence that UFOs come not from other worlds but through some kind of portal. This portal could be a wormhole that connects to distant parts of the universe, but it could also be a gateway through what we think of as time. This would mean that we're fundamentally mistaken about time being a strictly linear phenomenon.

    There is also evidence that ancient people were aware of these portals and may have used them. I spent a number of years investigating standing stones that exist in a fairly compact area in southern California. Certain people talked to me about a portal or energy vortex in the area. These stones were certainly not erected by the indigenous tribes who run today's casinos. These tribes insist that no one ever inhabited the region before them, and they wield a great deal of political power. Ergo, there is no will to seriously investigate who erected these monuments.

    While taking photographs during hikes in the area, I captured numerous daylight UFOs. My theory of why we don't see them more often is that they move too fast. Even though I was shooting at 1/1000 sec they are blurred in the photos. I think they are here constantly. I think the government may be well aware of their presence. If any of this is correct, it would make sense that the so-called ETs highly disapprove of the oligarchs' obsession with using everything for military purposes. If and when disclosure occurs, I think it will have some real surprises for us, and they won't all be pleasant.
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    Hey folks,

    Most people talk about populating the planet with tens of billions of people as if it was our right...

    It's not all about space and resources...The planet is not ours to use as we see fit.

    There are countless other species which have the same right to live their lives unbothered...What about them?

    The planet is not a huge bald sterile snooker ball where we can build whatever we want and live wherever we want...We can't build houses and cities all over the planet. We just can't. It's not our right.

    Right now, we've already made a huge mess...Huge natural forests like the Amazon are disappearing alarmingly fast. If we continue in this rhythm, our grandchildren will only know about forests and all the beautiful species which currently live there by videos, photographs and books...The Amazon is effectively turning into a desert, right now.

    With "only" 7 billion people, we've been causing much suffering and destruction...Let alone with 11, 15, 20 billion people.

    So, how much space could we really occupy and use without fatally harming natural environments and other species? If you ask me, we've already crossed this line long ago.

    Overpopulation is definitely not a myth. It's completely ignorant to think about it just in terms of if there's enough space and resources for everyone...It's about how much space we can occupy and how much resources we can take while living in harmony with all other living beings which share this planet with us.

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    Okay, seriously? Sperm counts are currently plummeting. I believe the countries most affected are the developed nations and due to estrogenic compounds, a byproduct of plastics, leaching everywhere and into everything in the planet. We have NO RIGHT to continue to consume vast quantities of plastic crap and if human fertility chaos is the result, in a Children of Men planetary self-correcting scenario, we freaking well deserve it.

    I am tired of reading about secret eugenics programs to depopulate the earth. We are doing it all by ourselves, to ourselves--because we so dearly love buying throw away toaster, flashlights, appliances, thingamajigs from China. Forget climate change, forget greenhouse gases. They are playing their role. Think about the Everests of plastics displacing by purely mechanical means and that's just what we throw away. Think of the space we take up, building homes and highways all over this planet.

    As a few posters have commented. It's not OUR planet. If we don't start living as if it's shared, we are going to suffer our own demise, sooner rather than later.

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    This video puts the subject of this thread into perspective quite well:

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