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    Default Re: Why Are the Bankers and Ex-Intel Types Running For Their Lives? (Confirmed for MONTHS by my vanishing sources)

    Quote Posted by Limor (here)
    It is interesting to see a paralleism between the US and other places. in recent years a lot of talks and media reviews has been done on the Mossad and some things were discussed openly, now there is also a movie. There is definitely a deliberated exit out of the closet of the most hidden secrets of those intelligences agencies, the way they like to operate and sometimes even names, where once it used to be in a complete darkness. What are the reasons for such a 'disclosure' in days and times where it could be most useful for them to keep all information shut and finish with their plans earlier? all is not in their hands, but most.. a question to ponder.

    Quote Originally posted by GoodeTZSG: " What was pulled off would take a well trained team with an operation center and serious inner agency infiltration. Anyone who buys the "Lone Keyboardman Theory" probably also buy the JFK "Lone Gunman Theory" as well"
    That goes as well to Julian Assange, even though he is not alone, he is taking the fire all to himself. One can go further and say that there are other forces supporting such acts. There is a real game played on earth (I understand you don't appreciate the word 'game') and each is pulling their rope ends to allow the big screen image to be revealed and everyone wants to control the disclosure in their own way..
    The political kinetics involved in what they are trying to pull off are incredibly complex. While tightening their grip on global rulership they also have to trash nationhood.

    Identities are the pieces on the board. Not the actual people pulling the strings.

    Spy agencies etc are associated, in the minds of the public, with nation states. Therefore their popular identities are sacrificial in the big scheme. Anything else that's identified as part of nationhood is also sacrificial.

    The general public, I'm affraid, are very far behind in realising how they are making this morph into a global state. The people doing this are pressing the gas pedal while the road is still quiet. The public are still perfectly primed to cheer and party at every move that's made to demolish nationhood - this is bloody clever stuff !

    To my mind, Wikileaks, consciously or not, are part of the wrecking gang that's swinging the steel ball across nationhood. So are all the pedophile scandals etc. Yes, even spoilt pop stars and fat corporate executives are played patsies in the long game. As things stand right now, in the numbers game, nearly all the people of the world cannot accurately differentiate between the part that's wrecking the old structures and the immaculately disguised parts of the new order that hardly have to do anything yet but be present and ready to be inhaled or consumed into being by popular folly.

    I know that in a place like Avalon it's less obvious that people are so gullible but we are a speck in the ocean. The big boys are playing with very big numbers. That, in itself, is a good enough reason for me to believe that they are not yet ready to drastically exterminate those big numbers. They need them to make this huge thing swing tight shut. After that, well, I dunno, who knows ?
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    Default Re: Why Are the Bankers and Ex-Intel Types Running For Their Lives? (Confirmed for MONTHS by my vanishing sources)

    Quote originally posted by norman : "Spy agencies etc are associated, in the minds of the public, with nation states. Therefore their popular identities are sacrificial in the big scheme. Anything else that's identified as part of nationhood is also sacrificial."
    That very well can be. They sacrifice the agencies on the base of nationhood like they sacrifice currencies for the sake of a one planet currency, same old story of one world domination. Tearing what they build for so long, building in order to break.. sacrifice. Tearing to pieces. All those who are running for their comfortable refuge may soon find out that they were sacrificed for others playing a higher game then they and the highers are simply nothing but tools themselves for an empire in the brink of a collapse. Those who distort will end up being twisted. The dragon will fall on his own sword.

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    Default Re: Why Are the Bankers and Ex-Intel Types Running For Their Lives? (Confirmed for MONTHS by my vanishing sources)

    Quote Posted by Limor (here)
    [snip] All those who are running for their comfortable refuge may soon find out that they were sacrificed for others playing a higher game then they and the highers are simply nothing but tools themselves for an empire in the brink of a collapse. Those who distort will end up being twisted. The dragon will fall on his own sword.
    There is little doubt (here) that those running for their comfortable refuge will be sacrificed by others playing a higher game. Many of them have turned their back on their fellow humans and have been purchased by those playing at the next higher level. The usefulness of those running for their comfortable refuge will soon be over once underground. Perhaps their comfortable refuge will become a holding pen, food for the next higher level of controllers.

    There is a pattern here. Those going underground have also have been lied to and manipulated by those playing this game at a higher level.
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    Default Re: Why Are the Bankers and Ex-Intel Types Running For Their Lives? (Confirmed for MONTHS by my vanishing sources)

    Quote Posted by AutumnW (here)
    Just a quick comment on the Obama purge of certain higher ranking military members. First, understand I don't like Obama--think he is basically a fascist, so this opinion has zero to do with my attitude towards POTUS.

    I read on a few hard right fundamentalist Christian sites that Obama was purging Christian fundamentalists from the higher ranks. Many of them were promoted when Bush was in power. The powers that be, at the present time, may consider these types to be a real threat to national security. Would it really be wise to have rapture ready nutcases, trying to provoke WW3 to bring back Jesus, in control of the military?
    If Bush was promoting them, they were probably all Satanists... they don't operate in the open... they maintain two personalities... that is the whole power of Satanism... operating in secrecy, behind peoples back... perfecting the art of the deception... the definition of evil imo...
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    Default Re: Why Are the Bankers and Ex-Intel Types Running For Their Lives? (Confirmed for MONTHS by my vanishing sources)

    Quote Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)
    from Sorcha, but interesting if true and possibly a reason for bankers hiding...
    Quote The Ministry of Defense (MoD) is reporting today that the Vityaz early-warning radar system deployed along the entire Russian border has confirmed the Republic of China Navy (ROCN) launching from their Type 092 Xia-class nuclear ballistic-missile submarine (SSBN) of two atomic JL-2 missiles off the Northeast American coastline near the State of Oregon on Wednesday 30 October and Wednesday 20 November.
    According to this report, these two latest sub-launched nuclear ballistic tests by China off the west coast of the United States were preceded by a similar test conducted on Monday 10 November 2010 when a Chinese Navy Jin class ballistic missile nuclear submarine, deployed secretly from its underground home base on the south coast of Hainan island, launched an intercontinental ballistic missile from international waters off the southern California coast in full view of Los Angeles.
    As the Pentagon and their US mainstream media sycophants covered up the 10 November 2010 China missile launch, this MoD report continues, they have likewise labeled the 30 October missile launch as a fireball-meteor and the 20 November one as ‘maybe’ another fireball-meteor or contrail.
    Important to note, Russian intelligence analysts in this report say, was that China “cryptically warned” the US about its planned 30 October launch test when on Sunday 27 October the world was given a rare glimpse into China's nuclear-powered submarine fleet, with State-owned media carrying extensive coverage of the previously mysterious strategic deterrence force.
    The unprecedented revealing of the underwater fleet was a demonstration of China's confidence in its sea-based nuclear strike capability and serves as a deterrent to any attempted provocation amid the changing geopolitical situation, said military observers.
    Starting on Sunday 27 October, China Central Television carried serial coverage two days in a row on the submarine force of the People's Liberation Army (PLA) Navy's Beihai fleet in its flagship news program Xinwen Lianbo.
    The People's Daily, the PLA Daily and the China Youth Daily on Monday all carried front-page stories, features and commentaries on the submarine force, applauding its achievements since the launch of China's first nuclear-powered submarine in December 1970...
    link to full story...
    No one is going to launch a nuke on another country...
    the moment china launched on California 1000 missiles would be in route to turn China into a glass parking lot... they would wipe out 2 billion wonderful people who don't deserve it any more than we do in 20 minutes...
    the true weapon China holds is what would be a nuke on the fed reserve banking system...
    can the military be trusted not to bow to the bankers and launch an attack for China's use of a financial nuke?
    old time officers had to swear a pact to the American financial system that they would.
    is that why these old farts are getting launched from top positions, they're friggen nuts?
    or is the real reason that 500 salaries of soldiers = 1 commander and this is all just cost reduction related because of Sequester cuts...
    Quote In further reporting on China’s move against the US Dollar the dissident American website InfoWars.com states:
    “China just dropped an absolute bombshell, but it was almost entirely ignored by the mainstream media in the United States. The central bank of China has decided that it is “no longer in China’s favor to accumulate foreign-exchange reserves”. During the third quarter of 2013, China’s foreign-exchange reserves were valued at approximately $3.66 trillion.
    For years, China has been systematically propping up the value of the U.S. dollar and keeping the value of the yuan artificially low. This has resulted in a massive flood of super cheap products from across the Pacific that U.S. consumers have been eagerly gobbling up.
    And now China has apparently decided that there is not much gutting of our economy left to do and that it is time to let the dollar collapse.”
    This is more to the point, I have still maintain it has to have a financial interpretation... All wars have a commercial interpretation... that's why they offered the million Satanists in the US a new home (if anyone will take them) because even those sick perverts still want to live, and it presents them with two probabilities to weigh... it's all money and economics. There is an undeniable transfer of power from the West to the East, good or bad and for whatever reason... The US had the ball for over 60 years and blew it... on drugs, expensive toys and debauchery... i.e. they pushed the limits of materialism to its absolute end. Institutions via their bureaucracy always create (and control) the opposite what they claim is their mission. This is the oldest scam in the book. It may very well be the engine of Imperialism. The US created a monster military. And what do they like to call themselves "Peace Keepers" The military had a hand in the spawning of the current government that exists today. A criminal syndicate bigger then what existed in the 30s and 40s.

    Try to imagine a bunch of the most evil ruthless Gangsters finally in control of a wealth producing corporation summoning in their corporate lawyers. What do you think would be the topic of discussion... how to hijack the legal system... The system created in the '33 bankruptcy may have been for the good, but since it was kept secret it was once again taken over and used as a form of corporate welfare for the elite (all roads lead to Rome...) Just like price action is a system of distribution, this system was based on education, specifically how trust law works... I know there is no one on this site that has an education in trust law, why? ...because it has been removed from the public! You would have to dig up old dusty books written in the 1800s! The last courses on on trust law were REMOVED from public education in the late 60's. So just as the Roman Catholic Church controlled education and governance in the dark ages, Lawyers control the system today, and specialized lawyers control them.

    The corollary to all this, imagine, if the education system was geared toward teaching those principles of trust that were pretty much perfected by the late 1800s. People would understand their power, would be in control of their government servants, wealth would be equally distributed according to peoples interpretation and implementation of the trust, the 33 bankruptcy would have fit hand in hand with that. The integration of philosophical principles and trust law is what it was all about. I study the Bible more today for it's ethics, laws, principles, all hidden allegorically in that book to elucidate what trust is more then anything else. Once again this was all kept secret. Many trust "experts" say everyone is lazy... which is just an arrogant justification to deify their own struggle. No we have been lied to, the truth has been hidden. Every book, every movie, every UFO pro government argument has pushed the Freemason philosophy that there is a NEED and JUSTIFICATION to LIE to people for their benefit. They are using a contract law to undermine the system before it starts. As soon as you join you just compromised yourself. The purpose is clear in such a system by whoever started it... It would give absolute power to the people at the top.

    The idea that people are ignorant and need to be lied to even more for the benefit is insanity. It is the worship of sadism and manipulation. It was always about controlling the distribution of knowledge so that a small few could control the many. The Roman Catholic Church and the Freemasons and all the rest are all operating on the same system. Control of the many by the few through LIES, MANIPULATION. Anyone who accepts they don't want to know the truth, but to leave it in the hands of a few is an idiot. and deserves to be treated as such. The proof is when people try to learn their system. The game is up. They can no longer argue they our doing it for our benefit when they try to attack, rape and pillage you and your property for the sole purpose of keeping you ignorant...

    Kennedy saw the writing on the wall. Made a last ditched effort, got his head blown off in the public and proving that less then a few hundred criminals operating in secret cabal bribing enough scum who would shoot their own mothers for medal and paycheck could manipulate and cow 250 million sheep. Then arguing that Secrecy and Crime was a superior "power" (false argument) became the model of American Politics. Went too far with Nixon, and perfected it with the crowning of the most Satanic President of all George Bush Sr.

    Maybe Karen Hudes is right, this does sound like a Roman Jesuit plot. Vatican Assassins lays out everything required to prove it... Today a corporation using commercial law, and ironically deriving their power from a trust interpretation spawned out of the bankruptcy in 33, have given themselves the ultimate trustee obligation to collect an endless stream of funds to pay a debt on the one hand, that they also responsible for ballooning into infinity on the other hand.

    It is interesting the US generals in one article clearly stated that they are finally moving to create citizen groups... that is exactly what Sam Kennedy was trying to do a few years back before his entire program got infiltrated and then eventually imploded and ripped apart, when it became every man for himself, the power was too tempting for Tim Turner who declared himself the President? and eventually got arrested posting one too many liens? (I think) Restore America Plan was based on private citizen group creating true Government posts and filling (still empty to this day) REAL government positions. (problem is no one is educated enough to do it) Every corporate government entity is actually a corporate public entity that corresponds to a (hidden) true government entity with empty seats manned by no one because it can only be chaired by private citizens... who don't realize THEY are the real government. because they are too uneducated to even know this exists. This is the real dumbing down of America. The bible is most certainly flawed, but like it or not, it was the only (Western) institution that embodied the principles of peace and love, even if it was only in the minds of its followers and not the institution itself. Once that was destroyed, pure commercialism (materialism) took over. This is another advantage the East has over the West, they are not as infiltrated with institution of Roman Catholicism as the West.

    Will follow with info that clearly points up the above premises... in particular material from Rod Class and a reference from Karen Hudes that she made in an interview with Rod Class... which is in line with "US Generals seeking to establish Private Citizens groups"...

    in a nutshell, some how, some way ... the people have to take the control over the law back in their own hands...(trust law would do that and it is still operating! it has to be!) and the people have to take the institution of Christianity (if that is that is what their philosophy is based on) back into their own hands... As soon as you have an institution that you don't control, but only a select few ... you have built in the seeds of your own destruction. The creators were never meant to be controlled by what they created... One of the major themes hidden in the Matrix...
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    Default Re: Why Are the Bankers and Ex-Intel Types Running For Their Lives? (Confirmed for MONTHS by my vanishing sources)

    We have someone in Canada following the same line and trying to build a movement (Dean Clifford) and "they" are trying to do everything in their power to stop him, and he is nowhere as articulate, detailed and thorough as Rod Class... If I were an American I would be living breathing and studying this man's work as one of the quickest ways to get up to speed on the legal environment you are swimming in... And Rod is open and loves to share and really teach what he is doing...

    Bombshell: Rod Class gets FOURTH Administrative Ruling "Gov't Offices are Vacant"- All Gov't Officials are "Private Contractors"


    Bombshell: Rod Class gets FOURTH Administrative Ruling "Gov't Offices are Vacant"- All Gov't Officials are "Private Contractors"

    Submitted by The South on Sun, 10/14/2012 - 18:25
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    Yes, you read that correctly; it is true, and is now on the court record; black ink on white paper. Please read on:

    A lot of us have been exposing the crime of the UNITED STATES corporation for many years, but until recently, no one has had the proof that all government offices are vacant; no one is home; those supposed government offices/agencies are being occupied by PRIVATE CONTRACTORS and are NOT being occupied by a legitimate government body.

    This is equivalent to the ice cream man knocking on your door and extorting taxes from you. He has no lawful authority to do anything other than drive the ice cream truck - he's not a government official; he's an ice cream man.

    Your supposed government officials are nothing more than ice cream men/women who are fraudulently extorting money from you and your family; throwing you in prison; taxing you to death; stealing your children and imposing their will on you, and enforcing their own internal-statutory rules and codes upon you and your family.

    Rod Class has now received FOUR Administrative Rulings that prove what many of us have felt to be truth: What you think is government; what you think are legitimate Government Officials/Senators/Congressman/Policeman/Governors/Tax Collectors, etc. are nothing more than private contractors, extorting money from American Citizens and failing to pay off the public debt as they are instructed to do by the 1933 bankruptcy.

    What they have done is this:

    These people have switched places with the average American Citizen. They are enforcing their own Administrative codes, that are only meant for THEM, upon regular Citizens who are not being paid by the corporation. The supposed elected officials have hoodwinked the country into an employment position without pay. They themselves are taking public money to occupy government seats/positions/agencies, when they are nothing more than private contractors ... Felony!

    They are treating us as if we are paid government employees; enforcing their own internal rules-regulations-codes, and statutes on the average Citizen, as well as conveniently forgetting to send us our weekly/monthly government employment check.

    I've been preaching this for the last year + with no avail on this forum. Perhaps now, people will begin to listen and take action.

    In these radio shows, Rod explains his Administrative Rulings from the various Judges; explains the con, and shows you, where in their very own US Codes the above aforementioned information is spot on.



    There are a few shows you need to listen to, and here are some bullet points of those shows:

    1. All BAR attorneys are prohibited from representing John Q. Public; can only represent gov't officials and employees within their own agencies, their BAR Charter says so.

    2. Any Judge that prohibits you from representing yourself or hiring a defense other than a BAR attorney, are in fact, committing a felony on the bench in violation of the Taft-Hartly Act (running a closed union shop) and the Smith Act (overthrow of Constitutional form of Gov't)

    3. Anytime an BAR attorney represents someone in a case against you, you can now claim that person is incompetent; a ward of the state, with no standing to sue.

    4. Any and all tax collectors, police officers, sheriffs dept's, DOT, tag agencies, BAR attorneys, Judges, Highway Patrol, supposed elected officials, are nothing more than private contractors, who can now be brought up on fraud charges for impersonating a public official while receiving federal funding.

    5. Any and all home, vehicle, credit card loans are supposed to be discharged through the Treasury window, in compliance with the 1933 bankruptcy laws. These scumbags are double dipping and never discharging the debt like they are supposed to. They are embezzling the funds and pocketing them for themselves.

    6. Every person sitting in prison today was railroading by a BAR attorney who's first allegiance is to the State; who had no lawful authority to represent them; who worked in concert with the State to perpetrate a fraud upon it's victims.

    7. Orders from Administrative courts prove for the fourth time, an agency of the State is NOT an agency under the State.

    8. Elected Officials are claiming 11th Amendment sovereignty, when it's actually you and I that hold 11th Amendment sovereignty. They are getting paid by the corporation, you and I are not.

    9. They have admitted to the crime of no one actually holding a public office; they are filling corporate seats and defrauding the public.

    10. Political subdivisions are not getting their 40% funding from the Feds as they are supposed to get.

    11. These Judges have admitted (black ink on white paper) that all these State Offices are ........... EMPTY!

    12. Now we have Administrative paperwork - ruling these public offices aren't part of the State agencies.

    13. Attorney Generals may not practice law; can't represent the people who are not public officials.

    14. If the State is a 3rd party interloper in your Marriage (marriage license); Vehicle Title (State Registration), etc. then they are liable for 1/3rd of the cost to manage the daily activities of that contract.

    15. If the State demands you have a Drivers License and Tag your vehicle because it is registered with the State, then as the owner of the vehicle, the State is required to pay for the vehicle, the tags, licensing, fuel, tires, oil, etc. and they are also to pay you a salary for driving a State owned vehicle; it says so in their own Highway Safety Act and USC - CFR rules and regulations.

    16. We now have the court orders that goes back and nullifies any and all IRS and Tax cases, Foreclosures, Credit Card Debt, cases or actions. These people never had the lawful right to demand anything of you; they are corporate actors, not a legitimate government body.

    17. Judge admits the 1933 bankruptcy, and no way to pay off anything because of Federal Reserve Notes; all public debt is t be discharged through the Treasury.

    18. Only the Secretary of Transportation can hear traffic cases; all traffic cases are civil, not criminal.

    19. If you're not being paid for you time, you are not required to have one of their CDL or CMV licenses; it's prohibited.

    20. Says we now have a major labor dispute on our hands; US corporation running a slave racket against American Citizens without the pay.

    21. United States Codes (USC) and Titles #1 thru #50 are void; have never been passed by Congress; all have been repealed.




    As I've been saying for a very long time on this forum: If you are not getting a weekly or monthly paycheck from the so called federal government aka UNITED STATES or one of it's sub corporations such as the STATE OF ***, then their statutory rules (not laws), codes and regulations DO NOT APPLY TO YOU ......... Period!

    There is so much information packed into these last six calls, I can't even begin to share it in this post. If you want your freedom; if you want to know with 100% surety that the foreign corporation known as the UNITED STATES has zero authority over you unless you are receiving a weekly paycheck from them, take the time to

    listen to call #646 through #651 here:
    Rod Class Talkshoe
    www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/talkCast.jsp?masterId=48361&cmd=tc

    Scroll down the page and click on the orange "Listen" button; a pop up player will appear for your listening pleasure. And believe me: This is pure listening pleasure, with the court filings; rulings and US Code to back it all up. By the time you finish these few short shows, your fear of the government will be a thing of the past. [assuming you follow up and LEARN it]

    Also, many of Rod’s current filings against the infrastructure are at: http://harveyw26.minus.com ...some may be easy to download, some may not !



    And for those of you who are new to the forum and want to get a better grasp of all this prior to or after listening to the calls, here are some of my more informative posts on the matter at hand:

    Public Notice to Gun Grabbing Politicians:
    http://www.dailypaul.com/246514/public-notice-attention-to-a...

    So the Government wants you to collect a sales tax?
    http://www.dailypaul.com/245362/have-a-business-and-the-govt...

    Your Home Loan was paid the day you signed the note:
    http://www.dailypaul.com/244590/want-to-stick-it-to-the-bank...

    The real reason for the 14th Amendment:
    http://www.dailypaul.com/244553/they-created-the-14th-amendm...

    What's the One Document in your possession that gives you the authority to rule over my life?
    http://www.dailypaul.com/244165/whats-the-one-document-you-h...

    Can the State be an actual injured party? ..... No, it cannot!
    http://www.dailypaul.com/243521/can-...st-a-living-ma

    Having a Social Security # is not a contract with the State/Feds:
    http://www.dailypaul.com/243164/social-security-is-not-a-con...

    Trust Law, your Rights and how to enforce them:
    http://www.dailypaul.com/243090/trust-law-your-rights-and-ho...

    Why you should never hire an attorney:
    http://www.dailypaul.com/242260/this-is-why-you-should-never...

    Hopefully now in light of these Administrative Court Rulings people will now come to realize the fact, that Unless You Are Getting A Weekly Check From Government, Their Statutory Rules-Codes-Regulations They Put Off As Laws, Have Zero Force Or Effect On You Personally

    No Contract = No Jurisdiction

    Did you fill out an employment contract with the State?; are they paying you for your services? If not, why the hell are you following their rules?

    This is how we change our current form of Government back to the Republic is was initially intended to be.

    If you don't take the time to listen to at least those last six shows at the link above, you are overlooking the most important information ever to come to light within the Liberty Movement.

    Stop looking for a savior to save us from tyranny and listen to the shows I've provided. Now you are your own savior - Individually, now you can make a HUGE difference in our political structure and form of government.

    In Liberty!
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    Surety No More:
    http://associationforsovereignhomerulewithin.org/

    It is impossible to get any information unless you submit a payment agreement and certified information, etc. which I am a little suspicious of... However I do give it special attention because Karen Hudes has given it her endorsement, which is right on the site!? I am not saying that is a guarantee, but it is what it is, how much Karen vetted this guy I don't know but she insists this guy is all good in her Rod Class Karen Hudes Interview...

    It does look like this guy (a lawyer according to Karen Hudes... what type of lawyer would be interesting to know...) has what appears to be an interpretation of Winston's famous BC Bond process... i.e. creating a process whereby we unequivocally break the link between our current relationship as surety for the BC corporate/trust entity represented by the Birth Certificate. And start allowing the Government to charge the corporation directly, which they are doing more or less behind your back anyway with the issuance of Bid Bonds, Performance Bonds and Payment Bonds. (see my other post... Destroying 40,000 lives Post#
    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post765654

    Why else would he require a certified copy of the BC? And there is word it would involve sending it to the Treasury similar to Winston's process... It is also apparent from the website that until you get this "process done"... all US Citizens are surety for the debtor (B.C., strawman, NAME, Corporation, etc)

    The thing I don't like about this is how the choice to be free is tied to paying $1500. That is outrageous, and do you actually learn what paperwork he has done? Because having this paperwork with no understanding would be ineffectively dangerous... and the non-disclosure looks like he could be potentially tying you into further required fees if you needed to learn more?

    some additional context publicly available from the site itself...

    5. All Emergency War Powers courts--(federal and state) act upon the quasi-corporate, ARTIFICIAL PERSON/Public U.S. citizen to which the Private Citizen of the United States of America/Natural Person/Judeo-Christian Man is bonded, wedded, attached and serving as the servile Surety indenture.

    6. It is the—Martial Process—of the Court that secures In Personam jurisdiction over the defendant for the Court. This Martial Process acts upon the ARTIFICIAL PERSON/Public U.S. citizen to which the Private Citizen of the United States of America Natural Person/Judeo-Christian Man is bonded, wedded, attached and serving as servile Surety.

    7. The—Martial In Personam Jurisdiction—of all Emergency War Powers courts (federal and state) acts directly upon the ARTIFICIAL PERSON/Public U.S. citizen (subject to a prior and complete Martial Process) to which the Private Citizen of the United States of America Natural Person/Christian Man is bonded, wedded, attached and serving as servile Surety.

    8. That under the Military Law process that has existed since the Proclamations (2038,2039,2040 see the right column) of 1933 (FDR) and December 16, 1950 National Emergency Proclamation 2914 (Truman) with the annual re-declaration of National Emergency repeated thereafter by the Respondent Usurper too, the duties of the Commander–in-Chief associated with Article 2 section 2 personally imposes military process upon all statutory Public US Citizens and sureties.




    The one major take away everyone get at least get from this... these lawyers are confirming indirectly that this GAME really exists... and that how to operate is so secret you have to sign a non disclosure and fork out $1500 ... and I think I heard somewhere it takes 3 months to process... hmm... now consider what kind of a commercial process would take 3 months to process? hmm... anyone?
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    The Lion Share of REAL Snowden Info has not been released. I think even Snowden fears the sudden shift or avalanche of public outrage if it was... But the PTB are so incredibly freaked out about what they KNOW and Believe he MAY have in his possession that they are going to try to appeal to the human short comes they have (Assuming everyone would do the same) to see if they can coax out some of the cards Snowden is holding from his Reporter "Friend"... Using $Greed$ and leveraging threats of life in prison against his "Partner" who was convicted of "Espionage" in the UK.

    I wish the guy would just do a full "Data Dump" and release the info (Giving up his leverage) to the world so we can get on with it... From what I hear the info he has is one Hell of a Can Opener!
    (I was told it was info on expenses of multinational/ultra-national bases and beyond, that he has this info setup somehow to be released in the event of his death... If the Russians have nothing to loose why wouldn't they "Off Him" instead of keeping him safe? This shows he has the "Big Stuff" on EVERYONE! IMHO)


    KEEPING SECRETS: PIERRE OMIDYAR, GLENN GREENWALD AND THE PRIVATIZATION OF SNOWDEN’S LEAKS

    http://www.blacklistednews.com/Keepi...38/38/Y/M.html
    I feel Greenwald's response to this attack is appropriate for this thread

    http://readersupportednews.org/opini...-to-my-critics

    (please read it at the link for all the supporting documentation links he provides)

    *excerpts below
    Quote My Response to My Critics

    By Glenn Greenwald, UT Documents

    03 December 13



    Questions/responses for journalists linking to the Pando post - and other matters


    The other day I referred to those who "evince zero interest in the substance of the revelations about NSA and GCHQ spying which we're reporting on around the world", but "are instead obsessed with spending their time personally attacking the journalists, whistleblowers and other messengers who enable the world to know about what is being done." There are dozens of examples, one of whom is the author of a post this week at Pando.com which accuses me and Laura Poitras of having "promptly sold [the Snowden] secrets to a billionaire", Pierre Omidyar, and claims we made "a decision to privatize the NSA cache" by joining Omidyar's new media organization and vesting it with a "monopoly" over those documents.

    I've steadfastly ignored the multiple attacks from this particular writer over the years because his recklessness with the facts is so well-known (ask others about whom he's written), and because his fixation is quite personal: it began with and still is fueled by an incident where The Nation retracted and apologized for an error-strewn hit piece he wrote which I had criticized (see here and here).

    But now, this week's attack has been seized on by various national security establishment functionaries and DC journalists to impugn our NSA reporting and, in some cases, to argue that this "privatizing" theory should be used as a basis to prosecute me for the journalism I'm doing. Amazingly, it's being cited by all sorts of DC journalists and think tank advocates whose own work is paid for by billionaires and other assorted plutocrats: such as Josh Marshall, whose TPM journalism has been "privatized" and funded by the Romney-supporting Silicon Valley oligarch Marc Andreesen, and former Bush Homeland Security Adviser and current CNN analyst Fran Townsend ("profiteering!", exclaims the Time Warner Corp. employee and advocate of the American plundering of Iraq).

    Indeed, Pando.com itself is partially funded by libertarian billionaire Peter Thiel, the co-founder of Paypal and CIA-serving Palantir Technologies. The very same author of this week's Pando post had previously described Thiel (before he was funded by him) as "an enemy of democracy" and the head of a firm "which last year was caught organizing an illegal spy ring targeting American political opponents of the US Chamber of Commerce, including journalists, progressive activists and union leaders" (one of whom happened to be me, targeted with threatened career destruction for the crime of advocating for WikiLeaks)).

    Moreover, the rhetorical innuendo in the Pando post tracks perfectly with that used by NSA chief Keith Alexander a few weeks ago when he called on the US government to somehow put a stop to the NSA reporting: "I think it's wrong that newspaper reporters have all these documents, the 50,000-- whatever they are, and are selling them and giving them out as if these-- you know, it just doesn't make sense," decreed the NSA chief. This attack is also the same one that was quickly embraced by the Canadian right to try to malign the reporting we're now doing with the CBC on joint US/Canada surveillance programs.

    I would think journalists would want to be very careful about embracing this pernicious theory of "privatizing" journalism given how virtually all of you are not only are paid for the journalism you do, but also have your own journalism funded by all sorts of extremely rich people and other corporate interests.

    Obviously, the rancid accusation that paid investigative journalism is tantamount to the buying and selling of government secrets is being made quite deliberately by the US government and its apologists with the knowledge that this is what sends people to prison. That language didn't fall out of Keith Alexander's mouth by accident. This Pando post is not only reckless with the facts but espouses a theory very few of the journalists cheering for it could or would apply to themselves. Standing alone, I'd simply ignore it.

    But any theory that is being simultaneously embraced by Gen. Keith Alexander, foreign governments on whom we're reporting, and DC functionaries to insinuate that there is something untoward or even criminal about our journalism is one I'm going to answer.

    So let's get to that. Here are a few questions about this theory, along with some facts. Moreover, in the spirit of what the Washington Post's Erik Wemple has noted is the extreme and very unusual transparency I've offered from the beginning on how this reporting is being done, I'll also address here once and for all a few other claims made and questions asked periodically about our methods of reporting:

    1) How is our reporting arrangement any different than the standard means used to report classified information?

    Bart Gellman has thousands of top secret documents from Snowden. He's repeatedly reported on them and published them in the Washington Post. He's not on the paper's staff, but is paid for the articles he writes for the Post. Shortly after he published his first article on the NSA documents at the Post (for pay!), it was announced that Gellman is writing a book about US surveillance.

    Does this mean that Gellman has "privatized" the NSA documents, is "profiteering" off of them, and that he sold US secrets to the Washington Post?

    Last month, it was announced that Jeff Bezos purchased the Washington Post for $250 million. Are any of you intrepid DC journalists citing this Pando post going to accuse Gellman of selling US secrets to his publisher and profiteering off of them, or Bezos of having bought secrets? Speak up, bold and principled Josh Marshall and Fran Townsend.

    Or let's take the revered-in-DC Bob Woodward, who has become America's richest journalist by writing book after book over the last decade that has spilled many of America's most sensitive secrets fed to him by top US government officials. In fact, his books are so filled with vital and sensitive secrets that Osama bin Laden personally recommended that they be read. Shall we accuse Woodward of selling US secrets to his publisher and profiteering off of them, and suggest he be prosecuted?

    Or let's take the New York Times. They reported that they received 50,000 classified Snowden documents from the Guardian. Rather than simultaneously publish them all on the internet, they've been reporting on selective documents while keeping the rest for themselves. They have published very well-linked articles by reporters such as Scott Shane, who are paid money to read through these documents and then write about them. Are the New York Times and Scott Shane also now guilty of "privatizing" the nation's secrets?

    Or how about Jim Risen, who in 2004 learned about one of the nation's most sensitive secrets: the NSA's top secret warrantless eavesdropping program. He wrote a best-selling book (for which he was paid!) in which he reported on that top secret program and others, and was also paid to write an article about it for the New York Times. Are Risen, his publisher, and the NYT now also guilty of "privatizing" secrets and "profiteering" off them? Should they be prosecuted for it?

    Since the NSA story began, Laura Poitras has reported on these documents in a freelance capacity with the New York Times (multiple times with Jim Risen), the Washington Post (bylined with Gellman), the Guardian (bylined with me and others), and der Spiegel (with that paper's staff reporters). Are these four newspapers, all of whom paid Poitras and her fellow reporters for this reporting, guilty of buying US secrets?

    Over the last three decades, Seymour Hersh has received all sorts of classified information from his sources. So has Jane Mayer. They do not dump it publicly on the internet. They keep it inside the New Yorker or their publishing company - where they vet it, understand it, verify it, and then report on it: all for pay! Let's hear all of you step up and accuse Mayer and Hersh of criminally "privatizing" and selling the nation's secrets and the New Yorker and their publishing companies of purchasing them.

    Daniel Ellsberg gave the Pentagon Papers to the New York Times. The reporter with whom he worked was paid to write about those documents, and the NYT itself sold lots of papers by virtue of having that story. Was the NYT guilty of "privatizing" the Pentagon Papers, and Neil Sheehan guilty of selling them by being paid to write about them?

    Every worthwhile investigative journalist - by definition - at some point receives, and then publishes, classified information. They are virtually always paid for their work in exposing that information, because that's how professional journalists earn a living. It's also a necessary arrangement for journalists to report on these matters with legal protections (see below). And rather than mail the material they get from their sources around to other media organizations, they keep it themselves, work on reporting it, and then write about it in their own media outlets.

    If you are so infuriated by this NSA reporting that you short-sightedly embrace theories that suggest there's something untoward or criminal about this process, then you're essentially criminalizing all professional investigative journalism. Do you not see where this idiocy takes you?

    2) What better alternatives exist for our reporting on these documents?

    The strategy Laura Poitras and I used to report these documents is clear: I reported on most of them under a freelance contract with the Guardian, and she has reported on most under similar contracts with the NYT, the Washington Post, the Guardian and especially der Spiegel. But we also have partnered with multiple media outlets around the world - in Germany, Brazil, Canada, France, India, Spain, Holland, Mexico, and Norway, with more shortly to come - to ensure that the documents are reported on in those places where the interest level is highest and are closest to those individuals whose privacy has been invaded.

    Feel free to criticize that method all you want. I'm extremely proud of the model we've created, one that borrows heavily from the WikiLeaks model of worldwide media partnerships, as it's ensured that no one media outlet has monopolized these documents. Instead, all the stories are reported with the benefit of journalists most familiar with the climate and landscape in the affected countries. That has made the story international in scope, and has made the reporting far better than if it had all been centralized in one place.

    The result has been - in just six months - the publication of more classified documents and revelations about the NSA than have appeared in the entire history of the organization before that
    . Six months is hardly a long time: WikiLeaks did not publish their first war log until five months after they received them from Manning, and did not publish their first diplomatic cable until nine months after they first received them. That's because these documents are complex, take time to understand, vet, and process. We have published a huge number in countries around the world in a short period of time, and there are still many, many more stories and documents to be reported in countries all over the world.

    But those that want to criticize that method are compelled to identify one that is superior. Let's examine those alternatives:

    Dump all the documents at once on the internet. As one of the most vocal and long-time supporters of WikiLeaks, this is a model that I endorse in some cases (though WikiLeaks also redacted documents it published and still withholds others it possesses for very justifiable reasons; they also only publish documents once they've vetted, authenticated and understood them). I completely empathize with those arguing this: as I've said many times, the complaint that we've published too little is infinitely more valid than the complaint that we've published too much. But there are so many reasons why this dump-it-all approach makes no sense in this particular case.

    To begin with, doing this would violently breach the agreement we made with our source. Edward Snowden knows how the internet works. If he had wanted all the documents uploaded onto the internet, he could have - and would have - done that himself. Or he could have told us to do it, or given it to a group with instructions to do that. Quite obviously, he did none none of that.

    He did the opposite: he came to journalists he personally selected, and asked that we only publish with media organizations. He also asked that we very carefully vet the material he gave us and only publish that which would be recognized as in the public interest but not anything which could be said to endanger the lives of innocent people. His primary concern has always been that the focus be on the substance of what the NSA is doing, and knew that mass, indiscriminate publication would drown meaningful discussions with accusations of how we recklessly helped The Terrorists™, the Chinese, and every other World Villain.

    I'm absolutely convinced that the agreement we made with our source for how these documents were to be reported was the right one. Had we just published them all without any context, discrimination or reporting, the impact - for so many reasons - would have been far, far less than the slow, incremental and careful reporting we've done.

    But at this point, that debate doesn't matter: those demanding that we just publish all of the documents without regard to their consequences or content are demanding that we ignore and violate our agreement with our source, and we're never going to do that no matter who doesn't like it. And as our source has repeatedly proven: if he's unhappy about how matters are proceeding or has something to say, he's more than willing and able to speak out. He hasn't done so about this because the way we've reported these documents is completely consistent with the agreement and methodology he insisted upon.

    Moreover, those demanding that all of these documents be published indiscriminately are completely ignoring the very real legal risks for everyone involved in this process, beginning with Snowden, who already faces 30 years in prison and is currently protected only by 9 more months of temporary asylum in Russia. Everyone involved in the publication of these materials has already undertaken substantial legal risk.

    Just like it's cheap and easy for war advocates to demand that others go and risk their lives to fight the wars they cheer, it's very cheap and easy to demand that others (including Snowden) undertake even more legal risk by publishing all of these documents. Everyone has the right to decide for themselves what risks they're willing to endure, and if you aren't taking any yourselves for the cause you claim to support, then perhaps it's worth considering whether others are entitled to the same consideration you give yourself.

    (much more at link)


    ....
    After all these years of toiling on these issues, I'm thrilled to have a loud platform to warn of the dangers of state surveillance, US militarism, and government secrecy, and to herald the importance of individual privacy, internet freedom, and transparency for the world's most powerful factions. Refusing to do what one can to have the greatest impact in defense of one's political values is just self-indulgent.

    Being skeptical and asking questions about any new media organization is completely appropriate. I'm sure I'd be doing the same thing of other new organizations. But we haven't even begun yet. When I moved to Salon and then to the Guardian, I heard all sorts of claims about how I'd have to moderate or dilute my work to accommodate those environments and the interests and views of those who own and run them. I don't think anyone can reasonably claim that happened. And I am quite certain that the same will be true here. The people we have hired and will continue to hire - and, ultimately, the journalism we produce - will speak volumes about exactly the reasons we're doing this and why I'm so excited about it.
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    Interesting corroborating info here from 'V', the Guerilla Economist, reporting yesterday on one of Steve Quayle's 'Q-Alerts':

    http://stevequayle.com/index.php?s=33&d=693

    The situation is so dire that the one main thing that I am warning about is happening now. I have it from some of my key sources, straight from the board rooms to this site, that top banksters are already moving out to safe houses and getaway locations. From what I am getting is that the rectal orfice par -excellance Jamie Dimon is operating out of various international locations and that his family has been prepped and ready to bug out to one of the island retreats. Dimon owns various islands through various holdings companies so which island I do NOT know.

    Michael Corbat CEO of CitiGroup has been prepped and will be moving his operations off shore, Lloyd Blankfein of Goldman Sachs fame is operating currently from his upstate New York abode and is planning on offshoring very very soon. Folks since 2011 till today there have been over a thousand banksters that have left the field.

    I knew that once the front line big players are beginning to leave then the end would be soon. With banks about to go bust this year due to various regulations like Dodd Frank and the Fed capital injections leading to hyperinflation it does not take a genius to know that the hand writing is on the wall.

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    Well actually we don't need alternative news sources this time.

    China is *not* going to be buying any more useless paper from amerika (aka bonds).

    They will start to liquidate what they already hold.


    Russia ... has seemingly just passed a law making it *illegal* to hold amerikan dollars???


    Really?


    I was pretty good in math during my younger years ... but correct me if I am wrong ...


    Isn't this a *really really bad* thing for the dollar???


    Yes the fed can print worthless paper until the cows come home (no offense cow).


    Yet the value is set to plunge dramatically and not in the too distant future.


    imho (as always)

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    THE NEWS ALL POINTS TO ONLY ONE OUTCOME!

    KEEP AN EYE ON THE EXTREMELY WEALTHY AND SELF PROCLAIMED "ELITE" RIGHT NOW, THEIR ACTIONS WILL TELEGRAPH WHAT IS COMING... HIGH LEVEL PEOPLE DISAPPEARING IS BIG, HARD TO VERIFY... LOWER LEVEL PEOPLE BUILDING BUNKERS AND PREPPING (Poorer people do it and they are "Crazy" right?) IS A BIG RED FLAG!
    WHY ARE SO MANY WEALTHY PEOPLE BUILDING FUTURISTIC HIGH TECH SECURITY BUNKERS?
    http://endoftheamericandream.com/arc...curity-bunkers

    MORE RUMOR'S OF FALSE FLAG ATTACKS (RUMORS!!!):

    False Flag Alert! Truck Carrying Cobalt 60 Stolen In Mexico! Highly Dangerous & Radioactive!
    http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative...rticalresponse

    Institutions Dumping Billions In Stock Before Economic Collapse? X22Report


    EYES ARE ON THE "BOND BUBBLE", "STOCK MARKET BUBBLE", & OF COURSE "DERIVATIVES BUBBLE" AND HOW THE ELITE ARE MANAGING THEM... & HOW THEY WILL DOMINO THE REST OF THE RECOVERING MARKETS FROM PREVIOUS 2008 "BUBBLES"...

    With Top 4 US Banks Holding $217 Trillion In Derivatives, Total Number Of US Banks Drops To Record Low
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-1...drops-record-l

    THIS IS ONLY A KNOWN LIST!!!

    Over 700,000 people on US watch list: Once you get on, there’s no way off
    http://rt.com/usa/federal-watch-list-unchecked-612/

    ELITE ARE STILL FREAKING ABOUT THAT OTHER 99%!!!

    JUST 1% OF SNOWDEN FILES PUBLISHED SAYS GUARDIAN EDITOR
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/me...s-8981167.html

    NOW CONGRESS HAS A 6% APPROVAL RATING... OBAMA IS COMPLETELY UN-TRUSTED BY THE MAJORITY OF US CITIZENS AND THE REST OF THE WORLD AFTER THE SNOWDEN/NSA LEAKS... SO BAD THAT WE ARE WONDERING WHAT THEY ARE "ON"...

    Americans Want Congress Members To Pee In Cups To Prove They're Not On Drugs
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/1...ef=email_share

    Americans cannot bring themselves to believe this is orchestrated and planned by their own people ("That cannot happen here, That is ridiculous!")... but has to be gross negligence due to "Cocaine Freaks" and "Sexual Deviants" with a few "America hating Marxists" thrown in "Here and there"...

    The true size of the conspiracy behind the decapitation and castration of America is mind boggling even to those who have the inside info. I hope desperation causes these jokers make some major mistakes soon and rattle the cages of Snowden or "Others" holding on to some of this "Dooms Day" info for "Cabal Type Groups" so it will be released.

    I hold on to hope that it can happen peacefully via insider "White Hat" action, though it is looking very unlikely... It looks like it is going to be a terrible time and there will be such a social uprising that there will be much on TV and on our streets that will cause anxiety and terror in our hearts.

    In the end if it brings the evil control system down and gives humanity a second chance to start over I hope we can look back and say it was worth it. IMHO...

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    It's scary to know that one is going to go onto the operating table and a physical change is going to be made.

    It is also important to understand that it is not just an ending. An ending of one situation, in exchange for another.

    It is up to the people involved to make sure it does not change for the worse.

    In the short term it will be worse. days, weeks, months, it will be worse. But it will clear. The night before the battle is always the scariest, as it is all unknowns.. and subject to the projection of fears.

    The country (USA and the west in general) has too much infrastructure and too much flowing commerce, too much in the way of people expecting to feed themselves and too many people who make a living, in the USA and out of it (all tied to the USA), to be able to put up with any form of total termination of all systems.

    The fundamentals of all systems WILL remain intact.

    Ie, gasoline, food, electricity, those systems WILL remain intact. There will be a after time. A time when everything begins to right itself.

    Again, your point of strength is to inject yourself and all you know and understand, into that time and moment...to make sure that the new emergence is a real one, not a fascist nightmare war machine, which is what is going to try and erect itself, when this moment arrives.
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    the underground off the books economy of the US is $3 Trillion a year...

    knock out the parasitic banks taking fees on every transaction and the 3T is plenty to keep the country floating...

    banks are like the casinos that charge a fee for every hand played...

    the piles in front of the players will continue to shrink to nothing if played long enough, just from the fees...

    how do we prevent major supermarkets from handing cash they collected to bankers?
    there are enough small gas stations to not use the cartels that are trying to keep the petro dollar rolling...

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    This will be a very vulnerable time for Humanity and not just America... I hope we graduate and rise to the occasion.

    There are many trickster agenda's that will try to exploit us during that time period. This WILL be when we prove that we can pick our selves up and stand on our own and deserve to be FREE... and not look to an "Out Side Alien" force to come and do it all for us (Looking to your religion is not what I am talking about).

    I am not too proud to accept help but like you said we do not want to trade one slave master for another. Wisdom and Discernment is in such short supply right now, and Humans will not trust easily in Human leaders again after all is released.

    So "WE" very well may be looking for a "Higher Power" to come DOWN and give us a new "Face" and doctrine of wisdom to trust again... A vulnerable time indeed for our species.

    I hope everyone realizes exactly how tenuous of a time that will be when it comes.




    Quote Posted by Carmody (here)
    It's scary to know that one is going to go onto the operating table and a physical change is going to be made.

    It is also important to understand that it is not just and ending. An ending of one situation, in exchange for another.

    it is up to the people involved to make sure it does not change for the worse.

    in the short term it will be worse. days, weeks, months, it will be worse. but it will clear.

    The country has too much infrastructure and too much flowing commerce, too much in the way of people expecting to feed themselves and too many people who make a living, in the USA and out of it, to be able to put up with any form of total termination of all systems.

    the fundamental of all systems WILL remain intact.

    Ie, gasoline, food, electricity, those systems WILL remain intact. there will be a after time. A time when everything begins to right itself.


    Again, your point of strength is to inject yourself and all you know and understand, into that time and moment...to make sure that the new emergence is a real one, not a fascist nightmare war machine, which is what is going to try and erect itself, when this moment arrives.

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    Quote Posted by Calz (here)
    Well actually we don't need alternative news sources this time.

    China is *not* going to be buying any more useless paper from amerika (aka bonds).

    They will start to liquidate what they already hold.


    Russia ... has seemingly just passed a law making it *illegal* to hold amerikan dollars???


    Really?


    I was pretty good in math during my younger years ... but correct me if I am wrong ...


    Isn't this a *really really bad* thing for the dollar???


    Yes the fed can print worthless paper until the cows come home (no offense cow).


    Yet the value is set to plunge dramatically and not in the too distant future.


    imho (as always)
    And all the little Jimmy Saville-ish FED bank connections are going to run off and try and hide, and some are trying to do it now.

    The trick is to collect the names, photographs and fingerprints, even DNA traces....so as to track them down when the time comes. So they can all stand trial like the capitalist-fascist sociopaths that they are.

    I want them to name names. I want them to implicate. To tear down what stood behind them.

    I know one of the ex(ish) intel types. That one started burning their 20+ year old/long paperwork collections, a good 5 years back. I imagine the rest, the smart ones... have their bug-out paths and methods well in hand. Even though they are still, on the surface, 'on the job'.

    Make no mistake about it. They've known for a long time. They know a witch hunt is coming.

    Be careful what you ask for, you may get it.
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    In my experience,
    No effort or tricks will be needed. All of the bio-metric and genetic identification information for all individuals is already compiled (Some already by White Hats, Some by Black Hats for "Insurance"). This info is compiled for "Security Protocol" and grabbed out of health records (HIPPA be damned).

    Getting them to turn on each other once the announcement of "Mass Arrests" then the interrogations begin it is as simple as the content of the reduced sentence (Death Penalty Avoidance) deals are slapped on the tables. I guarantee all blood oaths go out the window.

    The higher up the totem pole the prisoner is the more "High Value" their "Get out of jail insurance" information/leverage is. Then you work your way on up the chain until the blood oath is taken seriously where you then play by some of their more "creative" rules. It was no different with the Nazi's, Serbian War Criminals... nor has it been with any organized crime since RICOH ACT... etc.

    As far as being careful what you wish for, that is a wise statement. I for one think we have all come to a point to where we are ready to see where the chips fall and the heads roll.

    These Criminals Against Humanity have literally enslaved Billions of Souls, Murdered, Raped and Tortured Generations of us. I am comfortable in wishing for their demise!



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    The trick is to collect the names, photographs and fingerprints, even DNA traces....so as to track them down when the time comes. So they can all stand trial like the capitalist-fascist sociopaths that they are.
    I want them to name names. I want them to implicate. To tear down what stood behind them.
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    Quote When I read that there was a purge of military brass, the first thought which came to mind was - these are individuals who still have a conscience and will not attack their own. The purging is just a means to get those in control who will obey unconstitutional and unethical orders - no questions asked. Dark times are in store for America, as well as the world.
    I'm not sure if anyone would agree with me, but this purging of the military is still a good thing FOR US! They and their skills and knowledge will be on OUR side of a revolution if there is one. I'd want them with us and not against us....imo

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    I don't buy that the bankers are running for the hills. They may be sequestering themselves in order to implement the next step in their agenda, but its not for lack of power and control or by the strength of any opposition. This is a pretty good 25 minute synopsis of the power force humanity is pushing against.



    It is safe to say that all of the power is fully consolidated and that gaining more power through oil, wars and drugs may not be the main motivation any longer. That goal was reached by the early 1930's.

    Although I would love to be a fly on the wall at their next meeting, what sticks in my mind is that a shift occurred in the 1930's and a massive underground campaign went forward to bring forth the stellar technology and prepare for about seven possible timelines. The elite have all of the contingencies covered now for all of the potential timelines.

    All of the stellar technologies have been engineered, all craft, bases, hidey holes, laser, microwave, biological and energy devices now thousands of years more advanced than what is available in the public sector, are complete.

    With this accomplished, and the global fascist totalitarian surveillance and digital control grid virtually in place, what is their agenda? We can speculate, which we have done incessantly here at Avalon, so I will just review a few of the variables which appear to be constant:

    1. There is an off world connection which is evident and the elite have the desire to go off world, reconnect with their indigenous off world ancient cultures, or to extend their power to other planets via imperialistic endeavor.

    2. There is a perceived off world threat which the elite are protecting themselves against, which could be connected to very ancient instances of old wars, quarantine, or other nefarious occurrences directly perpetrated by these elite.

    3. The elite want to exterminate the existing hybrid humans which they consider to have a fatal flaw, one which they themselves engineered and hybridized thousands of years ago, and they now have a completed new human 2.0 they wish to repopulate the planet with, and are setting up the next millennium to use earth as their own personal resort with these new humans as their fully indentured servants who will not complain or rock the boat or threaten them, of which they only need about 500 million.

    4. These elite are soulless, psychopathic, narcissistic, inhuman, self aggrandizing pedophilic blood thirsty alien interlopers who are insane and have an ultimate passion without any regard for outcome, even destroying everything including themselves.

    And this is probably the most controversial

    5. The elite are malevolent creators who consider themselves the best stewards of the human genome and see themselves as gods, the progenitors of an evolution which husbands the resources of this planet, guides the trajectory of evolution towards the best possible outcome based on a moral relativistic stance which they believe is providential.

    Myself, I see a combination of all of the above. How this will play out has also been discussed ad nauseam here and I think it is somewhat immaterial and a distraction to some degree, and the salient point of it all, in my opinion is:

    For us humans to recognize this force for what it is, and to realize that indigenously we have an internal power which we only use about 10 percent, (only 2 strands of DNA and a partial left brain disconnected from our psychic abilities) and it is incumbent upon us to reawaken the rest of our innate abilities and compel the matrix to turn in the direction of our collective desire.

    We have the power to move mountains if we will just realize we do and get to the heart of what we want and focus. The rest of it is just distraction.
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