Just saw this.Posted by OnyxKnight (here)
Uh ... NO. They don't matter actually. Numbers don't carry an aspect of intention. That's your own input. Tens of thousands or 6 million? IT'S STILL EXTERMINATION! Stop with this stupidity FFS! We are talking about people here, not lab rats!Posted by 3optic (here)
Hi Milneman. Firstly, the numbers do matter if we are differentiating between tens of thousands and 6 million. Also the 6 million number carries with it the the notion that this was a deliberate extermination.
Are we going to hang in the air a prize for who proves genetically those were Jews next? You people amaze me with your shallow thinking. Especially when such a discussion is carried on here, on this forum.Secondly, David Irving is offering a handsome reward on his site if you can prove Hitler gave these orders.
What about the rest? Maybe he mistakenly showed some photos from the Macedonian Exodus of 1913/14? Or from Bosnia? Or are the rest genuine? Does one photo make a difference to you? Or because of that one photo the rest lose validity? What the frak is your point here? Do you even have one?Finally, in your somewhat sensationalistic display, you included a photo above of a girl Lizzie van Zyl who was interned in a British concentration camp during the Boer Wars.
If you want to make a conspiracy out of something, you may want to use a bit more common sense and a few more facts than what has been done so far to fuel this nonsense in the alt. media, because this is yelling "conspiracy!" for the sake of having another dumb conspiracy around.If you are going to a make a plea to our natural senses, you may want to use photos and data that are actually relevant and corroborated. Specifics are important otherwise we're just throwing horrifying images and facts around for the sake of making a commotion.
1) The reason the numbers are important is that included in them may be death by natural causes, disease, unintended starvation etc. I will hasten to add that at this moment I see little to doubt that a hugely immoral evil was perpetrated and it's quite likely at the very least thousands were murdered.
The words "holocaust" and "extermination" have very specific meaning and I would put to you that it does matter if we are to determine what the intention was. If it wasn't an eradication of a specific racial or religious group but was instead what amounts to more generalized political, racial persecution then yes I believe there is a point in discerning what from what. There are many state sponsored mass murders throughout history that don't carry these monikers.
2) The phrase "you people" carries unintended irony here I believe
3) My comment about the clearly out of place photo is that these images are themselves not sufficient proof. I'm not suggesting these victims weren't murdered but the inclusion of this photo and the suggestion that photos like these prove the massacre of millions is specious. What is clear is that something horrible happened. Could have been murder. But this post was sensationalized and sloppy which detracts from the rational and adds to the rhetoric. That is my point.
4) I'm not, as you say "making a conspiracy". I honestly don't know what happened. I was responding to the post which admittedly offended me. Not because of the photo's content (which are neutral insomuch as photographic content carries no idealogical bias) but for the deliberate sensationalism in the way they were displayed. I take responsibility for my reactivity. I'll try to be more chilled out..
I would suggest to you that ALL history is and should be up for debate. To shut down the discussion with condescending chastisement or angry, pointed accusation (the word "anti-Semite" has been liberally doled out.. though not by you as far as I've read) is not helpful.
Should be said that Irving, a troubling, problematic character (aren't most of us?) is an admitted xenophobe. He says as much in this fascinating interview. Some of you may recognize it as a classic MSM railroad.