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    @ araucaria

    I've been trying that but unfortunately, I don't have any actual text to work with here.

    I haven't come up with anything at all, other than the same claims repeated over and over, word for word from sites that have antisemitic, white supremacist agenda.

    I would like to now read a perspective from the opposite "side".

    Thanks anyway.

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    start watching at about 4 mins... or watch the whole movie

    "-within 60,000,000 population there were 500,000 jews(2%) of population in germany when hitler came to power.

    -jews controlled about 50% of media

    - controlled 70% of all judges"

    fast forward to 12:12 ,,, Haavara agreement "...tens of thousands of German Jews transferred to Palestine with their wealth"

    150,000 people with "jewish" blood(ASK-A-Nazi) served the third reich includeing:
    2 field marshalls
    15 generals
    2 full generals
    8 lieutinant generals
    5 major generals


    8:40 pograms against the ethinic germans start by poland..."'farms torched"...germans deported and stores boycotted...

    why does no one speak of the atrocities commited against the Germans in Prussia?



    2:57 "Hiltler worried for all of Europe because of the creep westward by the bolsheviks and the horrors they will bring"

    my own caveat: I am NOT in support of hitler, stalin, jews, western civilization...etc... nor the tactics used by all of the above!!!
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    I've watched this documentary yesterday ... it actually joined few more dots for me . I won't tell you what all is inside , it's only 45 minutes so see for yourself ,
    and the veil of what some considered questionable speculations about the 3rd Reich may fall down .



    In the closing months of World War II, defeat was looming for the Germans. The invasion of Normandy on June 6, 1944 -- D-Day -- opened a second Allied front, and the Allies began overtaking a host of German positions; Paris was liberated on August 25; Romania and Bulgaria surrendered in quick succession. But the Nazis did not intend to go down without a fight -- and without inflicting as much damage as possible on the Allies. To do so, they employed or planned to employ an increasingly deadly array of military weapons -- from ballistic missiles to rocket planes to, perhaps, the atomic bomb.

    The British, American, and Russian governments were not content to sit idly by, waiting to be slammed by the advanced technology. Covert teams of commandos and agents were sent ahead of the front lines and deep into Germany, hunting for both the weapons and the scientists and engineers who\'d created them. For British and American operatives, failure was not an option. If they didn\'t capture the Nazi technology and scientists, agents of the burgeoning Soviet Union might -- and that could spell disaster in a post-war world already feeling the chill of the impending cold war




    P.S. Well if you call Hitler, Ceausescu , Chairman Mao, Stalin, Putin, and other world dictators and terrorists 'Great' I feel like I can't really help you .
    Hitler was megalomaniac, so were other many 'little men' before and after him, one who dreamt of limitless respect and admiration,
    of uniting people under one flag , obsessed by war like power . There is no theology in the world, exo- or esoteric that can defend and excuse crimes and mass murders committed on other people .

    There is no 'holy scripture' that will absolve you from crime just because your neighbours were not quite the perfect people .
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    @ araucaria

    I've been trying that but unfortunately, I don't have any actual text to work with here.

    I haven't come up with anything at all, other than the same claims repeated over and over, word for word from sites that have antisemitic, white supremacist agenda.

    I would like to now read a perspective from the opposite "side".

    Thanks anyway.
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    I'm try to see where ET intervention was involved, through written text, or feeding words into the mind of the translator...

    we are a modern world, and have experienced ET communications first hand, so now looking back to the time of witches and warlocks, and Greeks countless God's

    we try to understand when ETs were acting as Gods passing man religions of control and putting their friends in control of leader positions...

    I actually ..tend to doubt it was the ETs intention and nature ( but boy I could be wrong as well ).

    What I see as more plausible looks like ''showing a perfect world to very imperfect man'' .


    When the conquistadors came to America , both Americas and witnessed gold treasures , artefacts that belonged to Incas , Aztecs , Mayans and thousands of other scattered tribes ,
    their motives were neither too exploratory, scientific or friendly . They did not create world catalogue of cultures and alphabets and document what they found such as people ( well some of them anyway ) would tend to do today .
    The only thing most saw was the 'gold' , the riches, the potential ..of getting luxurious life among nobility where they'd be instantly elevated . They could not see the beauty in people, their cultures, their artefacts . So much was destroyed in those days that had real historical value , melted to metal , broken to pieces, under the flag of 'our god and king' .

    The comparison is about this ...

    if you show some very advanced culture and technologies ( here presumably of extraterrestrial origin ) to bunch of earthly guys who realise the swiftest that what they could achieve if they possessed such technologies or even anything close to them ,

    if you show them there is more advanced being than human and that even humans could be 'bread' in a way to avoid certain genetic traits and cultivate others ..

    in another words, if you contact wrong people at wrong times and the society , on inner note is still very aggressive, barbarian and not ready ..

    they may well misuse all they have seen for achieving their own goals .. and in fact, thinking of science and technologies...bring the world on the brink of disaster .


    There is no 'proof' that most of the experiments run by Nazi and many other 'scientists' in the camps would be successful or conclusive . They acted in a manner of 3rd grade child who got their hands on disinfecting an insect and having no bars, and no morals evolved yet .

    They only 'helped' the world to follow in their footsteps once the WW has ended .

    Similarly to the technological miracles , what is a use of 'perfect technology' in hands of barbarian man .

    I tend to think ... that this could have been the case ...


    yes the SS and Hitlers 'esoteric club' claimed to have ET contact . They followed their own version of 'theosophy' , using all 'power sources' from historical cultures worldwide to their own credit , Egyptian, Indian, Tibetan , etc etc . in order to build their own greatness, elevate themselves to the status of divinity .

    It's known , not a hearsay . It wasn't widely discussed because speaking of this to detail was considered tabu and conspiracy and one would be easily accused of promoting the conspiracy, since the end of WWII and many years after .

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    Thanks for the link araucaria - very helpful.

    Trouble is, it's looking for a needle in a haystack - I don't have any text to search for!
    I don't know to what this alleged prophesy is referring, and those who have alluded to this in their posts haven't come back to me...

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    Quote Posted by loungelizard (here)
    Thanks for the link araucaria - very helpful.

    Trouble is, it's looking for a needle in a haystack - I don't have any text to search for!
    I don't know to what this alleged prophesy is referring, and those who have alluded to this in their posts haven't come back to me...
    that's my whole point, they took one word missing a letter and changed it into a prophecy that 6 million must die to get Israel back...

    Quote Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)
    sorry it was in one of the links I posted...

    Quote “The Hebrew word for ‘ye shall return’(TaShuVU), seems to have been spelled incorrectly. Grammatically it requires another (vav). It ought to read (TaShUVU). Why is it lacking the letter (vav) which stands for six?. [TaShuVU] without the vav is a prediction to the Jewish people of ultimate return to their national homeland. TaShuVU in numbers adds up to 708: tav=400, shin=300, vei=2, vey=6. When we write the year, we ignore the millennia. In 1948 on the secular calendar, we witnessed the miracle of Jewish return to Israel. On the Hebrew calendar it was the year 5708. That was the year predicted by the incomplete word (TaShuVu), you shall return. We did return, lacking 6 – an all important 6 million of our people who perished in the holocaust. Yet the fulfillment of the prediction of return in precisely that year implied by the gematria of TaShuVU gives us firm hope that the words of the prophets for Final Redemption will come true as well.” link
    that is why the huge sudden push to fulfill the prophecy so they could return on the specific year, they "translated" from holy text...

    6 was a good number, why not vanish just 6 or 60, or 600? why 6 with 6 zeros?

    why not 666?

    who decided 6 million must die in furnaces for Jews to return to Israel?

    Headline News?

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    Hello Rocky Shorz - who is the "they"?
    And do you have a reference to the verse in the Torah to which you keep referring?

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    The Zohar....gonna have to look deeper I guess...

    Quote (4) Q: The word tashuvu is written in the Torah missing the letter vav.
    According to the Zohar, what does this hint to?

    A: The Zohar tells us that the Torah writes tashuvu without the letter
    vav to hint at the year when the Jewish people will return to their land
    from the long and bitter exile.

    (5) Q: What is the gematria of the word tashuvu as it is written in the
    Torah? What year does this correspond to in the secular calendar, and
    what is its significance?

    A: The gematria (numerical value) of tashuvu is 708 (tav = 400; shin
    = 300; bet = 2; vav = 6). The year 5708 corresponds to the year
    1948 on the secular calendar. In 1948, the Jewish people were
    granted full access to the Promised Land when the State of Israel was
    born.
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    *bows* yup. I wrote that. Now I need someone to burst my swelled head.

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    Rocky, here I am back in the thread when I said I wouldn't be.

    We're looking at two separate issues now. The numbers reported and the actual holocaust. Ja? (no pun intended )

    Re-work the sentence so it's more concise...why the number six million was reported, not six million actually "killed". As stated in my previous posts, the actual number historical evidence points to is more in the neighbourhood of four million. We need to separate this thread into another one I think that discusses historical numbers in the context of the black hats. The truth is it happened. Why it was reported differently, and in certain ways, is worth examining. But part of that is also examining why part of the disinfo campaign is to deny it happened at all.

    I saw this on facebook today, grabbed my attention, and it really is suitable for this discussion:

    Let me remind you what fascism is. It need not wear a brown shirt or a green shirt--it may even wear a dress shirt. Fascism begins the moment a ruling class, fearing the people may use their political democracy to gain economic democracy, begins to destroy political democracy in order to retain its power of exploitation and special privilege." -Tommy Douglas

    I read that, and my eyes opened wide up.

    We, my friend, live in world governed by fascism. (and y'all are probably going to say "WELL DUH!")

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    That is why he let the British army go at Dunkirk.
    That's a new one on me. Can you please give a link to the source so that it can be researched? Thanks!
    Here is the link to the article. http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v16/v16n6p22_Bishop.html

    It is a long piece on the beginning of the German /Russian conflict.

    The parts that led me to believe this are as follows .
    Quote Second Imperialist War'

    A central tenet of Soviet ideology was that the Soviet Union, as the world's first Marxist state and bulwark of "workers' power," would eventually liberate all of humanity from the yoke of capitalism and fascism (the "last resort of monopoly capitalism"). While Soviet leaders might disagree about the circumstances and timing of this process of global liberation, none doubted the importance of this objective. As Suvorov notes:

    "For Lenin, as for Marx, world revolution remained the guiding star, and he did not lose sight of this goal. But according to the minimum program, the First World War would only facilitate a revolution in one country. How, then, would the world revolution take place thereafter? Lenin gave a clear-cut answer to this question in 1916: as a result of the second imperialist war ..."

    Initially the "Union of Soviet Socialist Republics" was made up of only a handful of constituent republics. Lenin and the other Soviet leaders intended that more republics would be added to the USSR until it encompassed the entire globe. Thus, writes Suvorov, "the declaration accompanying the formation of the USSR was a clear and direct declaration of war on the rest of the world."

    Hitler understood this much better than did the leaders of Britain, France or the United States. During a conversation in 1937 with Lord Halifax, one of Britain's most important officials, he said: "In the event of a general war [in Europe], only one country can win. That country is the Soviet Union." In Icebreaker, Suvorov explains how in 1939 Stalin exploited the long-simmering dispute between Germany and Poland over Danzig and the "Polish Corridor" to provoke a "second imperialist war" that would enormously expand the Soviet empire.

    Stalin anticipated a drawn-out war of attrition in which Germany, France and Britain would exhaust themselves in a devastating conflict that would also spark Communist uprisings across Europe. And as the Soviet premier expected, "Icebreaker" Germany did indeed break up the established order in Europe. But along with nearly everyone else outside of Germany, he was astonished by the speed and thoroughness with which Hitler subdued not only Poland, but also France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, Yugoslavia and Greece. Dashing Kremlin expectations that a "second imperialist war" would quickly usher in a Soviet Europe, by July 1940 Hitler was effectively master of the continent.
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    Another imponderable is the response of Britain and the United States to an all-out Soviet invasion of Europe. If Soviet forces had struck westward in July 1941, would Britain and the United States have sided with Stalin and the USSR, or would they have sided with Hitler and Germany, Italy, France, Romania, Finland, Hungary, Denmark, and the rest of Europe? Or would Roosevelt and Churchill have decided to remain aloof from the great conflict?

    Anyway, when Hitler did launch his preemptive strike against Soviet Russia, Roosevelt and Churchill immediately sided with Stalin, and when the Red Army took half of Europe in 1944-45, neither the British nor the American leader objected.

    What can now be stated with certainty -- thanks to the work of Suvorov and other revisionist historians -- is that in smashing the great Soviet military buildup in 1941, Hitler dashed Stalin's plan to quickly conquer Europe, and that, in spite of his defeat in 1945, Hitler saved at least the western half of Europe, and tens of millions of people, from the horrors of Soviet subjugation.

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    There is a real reason the numbers have to be 6 million. It has to with a prophecy and nothing to with Germans. You could look up how many times 6 million jews were killed before WW2. Interesting stuff.
    Is this a reference to the claim that there is a prophecy in the Torah about 6 million Jews "needing to vanish"? If so, do you have a precise reference to the place in a translation of the Torah where this verse can be found? I know about the alleged missing letters etc - I just can't find where it is supposed to be.

    I have tried to find more information on Google, but unfortunately, the only sites I can find that refer to this are not…um…how to be polite here…scholarly sites. The same set phrases are repeated time and time again, word for word, but I can't find any intelligent debate or actual evidence, which makes me uneasy.

    I wonder...is there a similar prediction for the 5 million non-Jews murdered by the Nazis? Did the mentally ill have a prophecy somewhere? How about the Roma?

    If you are unable to provide a reference to the verse in the Torah, I will be relegating this rumour to the dustbin full of vile holocaust lies.
    You had me on this one. Please note in the nested quotes , I never mentioned the Torah. You did have me thinking I did.... so good on you. This issue is addressed by others with the Zohar prophecy and the links you were sent on the bible. I will await your opinion / issues for both explanations.
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    Quote Posted by aikisaw (here)
    Here is a link that is good and many topics are debated from a different perspective. Apologies if it is already posted in the thread.
    Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust http://codoh.com/
    For those who like to be informed about their sources so that they have a rounded picture of what they are dealing with , this site is the work of Bradley Smith, a self confessed holocaust denier and former Media Project Director of the Institute for Historical Review.

    Don't get excited by the claim that this site promotes "open debate about the holocaust controversy"…there is no controversy about the holocaust.
    Wow.....

    There are a few different groups I have come across.

    There are the Holocaust deniers as the site listed above is. The general beliefs ( I do not speak for them ) are the holocaust did not happen as advertised and the camps were work camps. I do not agree on whole with what they believe. I read what they think to learn for myself. This site is very thorough and well thought out. You do not become a denier if you read what they have to say.

    If you do research about Aliens you do not become an Alien.

    There are Holocaust revisionists ( I do not speak for them...but would say I relate to them more then any other group) They look at the Holocaust story and see big holes in it and want to fix or explain those holes. Something happened ...what was it exactly.

    You have German sites ...they look at from a straight German perspective..I find plenty of these sites interesting....because I have seldom been exposed to this point of view..I do not speak for them either

    Then you have white supremacists, white power. ( I do not speak for them and they are happy about that)They have a much harder edge and it can get racial but not always. They have interesting thoughts and ideas about what would generally be called the " Ills of Society".

    Then you have neo -nazi's and skinheads ....(.I do not speak for them) That is some very dark stuff.... I do not read much.... if at all

    You also have the anti-zionists ....They think there is a militant group within jewish society called zionists that run the world. They are the ones are blamed for setting up the banking, current cultural society, WW1,WW2 and host of other ills.
    There is some good research happening on this right now.

    You have the believers. They believe historians got correct the first time.

    There are more but you get general idea what is going on.

    I read everything I can. What works I keep, what doesn't, I do not. I am cautious about what I post and it's origin.

    You are strong enough to read any of these ideas and sites. Beware the people who tell you what to read or believe.
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    Rocky, here I am back in the thread when I said I wouldn't be.

    We're looking at two separate issues now. The numbers reported and the actual holocaust. Ja? (no pun intended )

    Re-work the sentence so it's more concise...why the number six million was reported, not six million actually "killed". As stated in my previous posts, the actual number historical evidence points to is more in the neighbourhood of four million. We need to separate this thread into another one I think that discusses historical numbers in the context of the black hats. The truth is it happened. Why it was reported differently, and in certain ways, is worth examining. But part of that is also examining why part of the disinfo campaign is to deny it happened at all.

    I saw this on facebook today, grabbed my attention, and it really is suitable for this discussion:

    Let me remind you what fascism is. It need not wear a brown shirt or a green shirt--it may even wear a dress shirt. Fascism begins the moment a ruling class, fearing the people may use their political democracy to gain economic democracy, begins to destroy political democracy in order to retain its power of exploitation and special privilege." -Tommy Douglas

    I read that, and my eyes opened wide up.

    We, my friend, live in world governed by fascism. (and y'all are probably going to say "WELL DUH!")
    Quote Rocky, here I am back in the thread when I said I wouldn't be.
    I hope you stay....I mean that. We may never agree on this subject but I get it matters to you and that's cool.
    Quote Re-work the sentence so it's more concise...why the number six million was reported, not six million actually "killed". As stated in my previous posts, the actual number historical evidence points to is more in the neighbourhood of four million
    I wanted to be the first to congratulate you becoming a holocaust revisionist. LOL.
    Do you hate Jews? Are you a nazi? a white supremest?

    It looks to me , you found evidence that challenged a previously held belief.
    I have found most(not all) who are having this discussion are looking at evidence and trying to have it match the story just like you are.

    Quote We need to separate this thread into another one I think that discusses historical numbers in the context of the black hats. The truth is it happened. Why it was reported differently, and in certain ways, is worth examining. But part of that is also examining why part of the disinfo campaign is to deny it happened at all.
    You have a good thread going plenty of people playing 150 posts.....I would keep it all in one.

    Can you explain what you mean by black hats.
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    The word ‘revisionist’ is a loaded word with two meanings. It could mean ‘reappraiser’, which is what any decent historian would consider him or herself to be. Just as ‘the science is settled’ is an unscientific view, so ‘the history is settled’ would be unscientific from a historical point of view: this is not the way history is done.

    This is jumping the gun. Writing history takes time. There was a school history manual here brought out in 2002 which covered the 911 attacks: that was not history, it was journalism. The history was settled before the newspapers had finished with the story.

    However, ‘revisionist’ has another meaning, namely – as far as I am concerned at least - someone who rewrites or otherwise instrumentalizes history to suit a hidden agenda. It is no longer a matter these days of proclaiming/denying the holocaust, but it sometimes becomes an argument over numbers. If one gets stuck in the albeit important debate over whether there were 6 million victims or 4 million, one is forgetting that either way and by any standards, we are talking about genocide, and one is being diverted from the main issue, namely that these Jews were sheep’s clothing for the murderous Zionist minority who are still perpetrating today. The latter are quite happy to see the earlier invective turn into a civilized debate, just so long as they are left out of it.

    Above and beyond this debate, and the assessment of Hitler’s responsibility, what I see is the creation of no-go areas through the creation of absolutes: barriers beyond which you have nothing but the inconceivable. The numbers are secondary when you see the holocaust as an absolute horror, now disappearing in our rear-view mirror – and hiding the fact that much worse is possible and in fact being perpetrated now on a planetary scale against the entire human race. The holocaust is a box outside of which thou shalt not think. Similarly, the name Hitler must evoke the utter off-the-scale fiend, Satan in person, when of course men that evil are two a penny these days, and taking their orders from much worse – from a human point of view at least.

    Hence the idea that the history can be relativized works both ways. The 1930 and 40s were not as bad as we thought, but only to the extent that we now have much worse. What we need to take away from this is that this year’s history is definitely not settled, unless of course we allow ourselves to take our eye off the ball.


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    Hello Thunder24

    Firstly, I'm curious as to why the title of this thread has been changed on your post number 142. What does "Spjewseech" mean?!!!!!

    Thank you for posting that video thunder24. I haven't watched the whole thing yet, but wanted to comment on the part I have seen.

    I found the juxtaposition of real life footage and footage from the fictional film "The Rise of Evil" with Robert Carlyle to be unnerving , along with the musical soundtrack. I couldn't help but feel my emotions were being manipulated, which, in the context of this subject, makes my spidey senses tingle. Did that bother you at all?

    Here are a few specific observations: perhaps you'd like to comment on them.

    0.50 There is a statement, "Unfortunately, the Jewish masses won…(turn on echo machine)…the jewish masses won…the jewish masses won…" which sets a sensationalist and inauspicious tone for the whole film: at least the film maker makes their bias clear right at the start.

    1.48 The "stabbed in the back" theory is a legend has been widely discussed and is generally held up to be pseudohistory: I'm certainly no expert, but I tend to go along with the thinking that it was a combination of Hitler's paranoia and a conspiracy propagated by right wing groups to explain the loss of WW1 http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Stab-in-the-back_legend

    Milneman - you've first hand knowledge about Mein Kampf - doesn't he write about it in there? Wasn't it originally voiced by one of the generals in WW1?

    4.43 This quotation from the Daily Express is actually reporting on the Jewish boycott of German goods, which was one of the international Jewish responses to the policies of the Nazis. The first sentence of that report says, "A strange and unforeseen sequel has emerged from the stories of German Jew-baiting." http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/orgs/b...a-declares-war
    By not explaining this fully, this film is implying that the Jews were responsible for WW2: that it was they who declared war on the Nazis. It turns them into the antagonists.

    5.19 It's well known that the Daily Mail newspaper was involved in an anti-Jewish campaign in the 1940s. Lord Rothermere, whom I believed owned the paper and was a friend of Hitler and Mussolini, wrote this article being quoted here. He was acknowledged as holding strong, far-right political views, and also wrote material in support of Oswald Mosley - although he later withdrew his support.

    6.52 Who is speaking here? Without that information, his statement that "certainly we wanted the Jews out of Germany"
    is meaningless.

    7.01 Who is speaking here? Do we have references to the claims he makes? His testimony is too emotive to be reliable in my opinion: calling the Jews "gangsters" shows partiality.

    To summarise: I find the tone of the film to be questionable, with faceless anonymous voiceovers (unless there is a reference to the sources at the end of the film? I haven't got that far yet) and press headlines and editorials taken out of context without any further elaboration.

    That's as far as I've had time to watch.

    I'd be really interested to hear how you see the film: it's so important to hear about other people's viewpoints, and compare how they see things.
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    Quote Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)
    sorry it was in one of the links I posted...

    Quote “The Hebrew word for ‘ye shall return’(TaShuVU), seems to have been spelled incorrectly. Grammatically it requires another (vav). It ought to read (TaShUVU). Why is it lacking the letter (vav) which stands for six?. [TaShuVU] without the vav is a prediction to the Jewish people of ultimate return to their national homeland. TaShuVU in numbers adds up to 708: tav=400, shin=300, vei=2, vey=6. When we write the year, we ignore the millennia. In 1948 on the secular calendar, we witnessed the miracle of Jewish return to Israel. On the Hebrew calendar it was the year 5708. That was the year predicted by the incomplete word (TaShuVu), you shall return. We did return, lacking 6 – an all important 6 million of our people who perished in the holocaust. Yet the fulfillment of the prediction of return in precisely that year implied by the gematria of TaShuVU gives us firm hope that the words of the prophets for Final Redemption will come true as well.” link
    that is why the huge sudden push to fulfill the prophecy so they could return on the specific year, they "translated" from holy text...

    6 was a good number, why not vanish just 6 or 60, or 600? why 6 with 6 zeros?

    why not 666?

    who decided 6 million must die in furnaces for Jews to return to Israel?

    Headline News?
    I have asked repeatedly on this thread for someone to provide a link to the source of this supposed prophecy. No one has. It's been suggested that I do my own research - but it's not for me to provide the evidence. The burden of proof lies with those, like Rocky Shorz, who seem to believe this.

    So, Rocky Shorz, I took your "evidence", and found it came from The Secrets of Hebrew Words, by Rabbi Benjamin Blech (Professor of Talmud at Yeshiva University, New York since 1996, and author of many titles)

    I emailed Mr Blech, and here is his reply:

    Of all the Holocaust denial statements this perhaps is one of the most ludicrous and laughable.
    I have found throughout the course of the years that it simply does not pay to engage in dialogue since it invariably is as fruitless as trying to convince the earth is flat advocates is that in fact it has been conclusively proven otherwise. Logic seems to have no place in their preconceived ideology rooted in hatred.

    Thankfully, in a morbid sense, the Germans with their obsession for accurate record-keeping ensured that we know the truth about the 6 million.

    To suggest in addition to all other crazy theories that somehow Jews made up the number to correspond to a cabalistic suggestion that perhaps no more than a few hundred people have ever been aware of is so ludicrous that I find it difficult to believe that anyone actually wrote it up and actually sent it out.

    Please consider it yet another insane attempt to make the world forget one of history's greatest tragedies.


    Is it now possible to agree that this "prophecy" is a canard? Untrue? A hoax?

    If there is no response to this, I will assume that you agree
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    There is a real reason the numbers have to be 6 million. It has to with a prophecy and nothing to with Germans. You could look up how many times 6 million jews were killed before WW2. Interesting stuff.
    Is this a reference to the claim that there is a prophecy in the Torah about 6 million Jews "needing to vanish"? If so, do you have a precise reference to the place in a translation of the Torah where this verse can be found? I know about the alleged missing letters etc - I just can't find where it is supposed to be.

    I have tried to find more information on Google, but unfortunately, the only sites I can find that refer to this are not…um…how to be polite here…scholarly sites. The same set phrases are repeated time and time again, word for word, but I can't find any intelligent debate or actual evidence, which makes me uneasy.

    I wonder...is there a similar prediction for the 5 million non-Jews murdered by the Nazis? Did the mentally ill have a prophecy somewhere? How about the Roma?

    If you are unable to provide a reference to the verse in the Torah, I will be relegating this rumour to the dustbin full of vile holocaust lies.
    You had me on this one. Please note in the nested quotes , I never mentioned the Torah. You did have me thinking I did.... so good on you. This issue is addressed by others with the Zohar prophecy and the links you were sent on the bible. I will await your opinion / issues for both explanations.
    Hello Aikisaw

    I asked whether it was in the Torah, as that was the only reference I could find to this "prophecy" (please see my post above).

    I'm sorry - I'm really trying not to be a pain here, but when you say you "await my opinion/issues for both explanations", to what explanations are you referring?

    I'm not going to wade through the Zohar (I asked an expert to do that - see post above) and I'm not going to wade through the 5 books of the Bible It is down to the claimant to provide the source.

    I'll happily comment when I'm clear what it is I'm commenting on!

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    *bows* yup. I wrote that. Now I need someone to burst my swelled head.

    Are you serious?! Folks, we have an expert here!

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    Ok, it suddenly hit me today where this speech fits in the historical context of the Second World War, and then it made so much more sense. So, third attempt as the browser seems to keep *closing* of it's own accord...

    1. Japan attacks Pearl Harbor, which comes as a complete surprise to Hitler. Initially, he is furious that the United States has been drawn into the war, but decides that war with the United States is inevitable.

    2. Hitler makes the speech you see at the beginning of this thread.

    3. The holocaust and the decision to enter the war are two separate issues. Hitler repeatedly demonstrates that any pact that is signed between a nation and the Third Reich means nothing. The Reich repeatedly pushes the limits, finally culminating in the invasion of Poland and the declaration of War from France and England.

    4. All this speech demonstrates is that given any facts, any leader can convince any group of people of the facts they want to prove, provided that body of people are willing to believe those facts, and want the rewards of those facts. The reality is Hitler grossly underestimated American military production. Were the German people mislead? Possibly. But the bottom line, as is so aptly pointed out in the film "Downfall" (BRILLIANT movie, btw...highly recommend it!) by Goebbels, the German people asked for the Nazi party. They were fully cognisant of what they were doing when they voted the party in.

    This is actually pointing to a greater issue, one that is symptomatic of interventionist governments even today: the capitalization of human misery. No government is innocent of this, no person is innocent of not realizing this. We simply choose how aware we want to be. So the lesson of this, I suppose, is how we choose to a) participate in the capital of our victimhood, or b) how we choose to liberate ourselves from dependence on that capital.

    There is a way that a socialist system can work in the governing of a nation. The problem is there is an extremely high price for this, and I'm not sure if the population of any country is capable of accepting that condition.

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