The "Hitler" Speech They (Don't) Want You To Hear..!

[Rocky_Shorz]

Posted by loungelizard (here)

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Is it now possible to agree that this "prophecy" is a canard? Untrue? A hoax?

If there is no response to this, I will assume that you agree

no actually I would have expected an American Jewish Professor to deny what is known or admit to one of the worlds biggest conspiracies...

but for those searching for truths, I wouldn't go to the propaganda machine to ask for answers...

The following is a list of those persons over the age of 80 whose names occur in the "Auschwitz death books".

122 Kohn, Elisabeth (1819-12-08 1942-08-15) Birthplace: Trencin, Residence: Trencin, Religion: Jew

90 Königstein, Anna Sara (1852-12-30 1943-12-27) Birthplace: Poleschowitz, Residence: Theresienstadt, Religion: Jew

90 Ruzicka, Marie (1852-12-10 1943-05-12) Birthplace: Klattau, Residence: Gross Dobray, Religion: Catholic

89 Hoffmann, Josef (1852-08-12 1942-06-22) Birthplace: Vrutky, Residence: Vrutky, Religion: Jew
88 Strauss, Arnold (1853-12-29 1942-06-22) Birthplace: Bobrow, Residence: Banska Bystrica, Religion: Jew

88 Herzberg, Johann (1854-12-25 1943-04-07) Birthplace: Wöllnitz, Residence: Gotenhafen, Religion: Catholic

87 Zagolkin, Nikifor (1856-00-00 1943-12-05) Birthplace: Styriki, Residence: Styriki, Religion: Greek Orthodox

87 Horvath, Anna (1856-03-07 1943-05-10) Birthplace: Schreibersdorf, Residence: Althodis, Religion: Catholic

86 Kannengießer, Leopold (1855-08-10 1942-07-14) Birthplace: Neu Sandez, Residence: Presov, Religion: Jew
86 Strukow, Praskowja (1857-00-00 1943-11-09) Birthplace: Wierieczi, Residence: Kalzy, Religion: Greek Orthodox

86 Strojny, Jozefa (1857-02-23 1943-11-08) Birthplace: Sulejow, Residence: Litzmannstadt, Religion: Catholic
86 Kreutz, Elisabeth (1857-04-03 1943-07-31) Birthplace: Römershausen, Residence: Dortmund, Religion: Protestant

85 Zegolkin, Domna (1858-00-00 1943-12-23) Birthplace: Malchaty, Residence: Lopatki, Religion: Greek Orthodox

85 Laski, Apolonia (1858-00-00 1943-12-21) Birthplace: Dubowik, Residence: Sawin Dub, Religion: Greek Orthodox

85 Karpowicz, Wasilij (1858-00-00 1943-11-09) Birthplace: Borisow, Residence: Borisow, Religion: Greek Orthodox

85 Berousek, Cecilie (1857-10-04 1943-03-31) Birthplace: Frauenberg (Budweis), Residence: Bistrowan, Religion: Catholic

85 Weiß, Eva (1858-01-04 1943-05-04) Birthplace: Gehaus, Residence: Unterrückersbach, Religion: Catholic

85 Petermann, Maria (1858-02-01 1943-05-26) Birthplace: Sennheim, Residence: Berlin NO 55, Religion: Catholic

84 Grysimienko, Achriem (1859-00-00 1943-12-09) Birthplace: Lipinki, Residence: ---, Religion: Unknown

84 Wesolowski, Malgorzata (1859-00-00 1943-11-18) Birthplace: Witonia, Residence: Litzmannstadt, Religion: Catholic

84 Jonasz, Moric (1858-06-17 1942-06-23) Birthplace: Lest, Residence: Banska Bystrica, Religion: Jew

83 Spindler, Blondina Josefa (1859-07-22 1943-06-22) Birthplace: Gnotzheim, Residence: Filzingen, Religion: Catholic

83 Baranow, Anastasija (1860-00-00 1943-11-01) Birthplace: Dworiszcza, Residence: Jakowlewo, Religion: Greek Orthodox

83 Schkomarovsky, Ester Sara (1860-03-00 1943-12-30) Birthplace: Kyjov, Residence: Theresienstadt, Religion: Jew

83 Bardaczow, Nikita (1860-05-00 1943-10-08) Birthplace: Plaszkowo, Residence: Plaszkowo, Religion: Greek Orthodox

83 Weiss, Moritz (1859-03-07 1942-07-14) Birthplace: Ilwes, Residence: Presov, Religion: Jew

83 Prager, Reinhold (1860-02-02 1943-04-12) Birthplace: Sankt Sanglow, Residence: München-Bernsdorf, Religion: Protestant

83 Schneck, Kreszentia (1860-02-10 1943-04-16) Birthplace: Rohrdorf, Residence: Ravensburg-Ummenwinkel, Religion: Catholic

83 Frank, Max (1859-05-10 1942-06-25) Birthplace: Velké-Surovce, Residence: Piestany, Religion: Jew

83 Heiman, Ernestine (1859-04-08 1942-04-22) Birthplace: Banovce nad Bebravou, Residence: Trencin, Religion: Jew

83 Rostalski, Jadwiga (1860-10-25 1943-11-01) Birthplace: Falkenhof, Residence: Litzmannstadt, Religion: Catholic

82 Friedrich, Theodor (1860-10-04 1943-06-03) Birthplace: Groß-Küdde, Residence: Berlin N 54, Religion: Catholic

82 Horvath, Ignaz (1860-09-27 1943-05-06) Birthplace: Zahling, Residence: Zahling, Religion: Catholic

82 Buriansky, Marie (1860-11-11 1943-03-16) Birthplace: Brockesdorf, Residence: Stadt-Liebau, Religion: Catholic

82 Knopf, Agnes Sara (1861-11-28 1943-12-30) Birthplace: Geburtsort nicht bekannt, Residence: Theresienstadt, Religion: Unknown

82 Rosenberg, Elisabeth (1861-04-21 1943-05-10) Birthplace: Klein-Wanzleben, Residence: Berlin-Marzahn, Religion: Catholic

81 Welkewitz, Chana Sara (1862-01-20 1943-12-30) Birthplace: Geburtsort nicht bekannt, Residence: Theresienstadt, Religion: Unknown

81 Sommer, Luzie Sara (1862-04-03 1943-12-30) Birthplace: Raudnitz an der Elbe, Residence: Theresienstadt, Religion: Jew

81 Vohryzek, Leopold (1862-03-30 1943-12-22) Birthplace: Hermannstädtl bei Chrudim, Residence: Theresienstadt, Religion: Jew

81 Richter, Chaim (1860-08-18 1942-03-01) Birthplace: Krenau, Residence: Krenau, Religion: Jew

81 Herrmann, Katharina (1862-03-28 1943-10-08) Birthplace: Eisenau, Residence: Sielanki, Religion: Catholic

81 Holomek, Johann (1861-09-26 1943-03-31) Birthplace: Napajedl, Residence: Napajedl, Zigeunerlager, Religion: Catholic

81 Bello, Martin (1862-03-25 1943-07-21) Birthplace: Niederfinow bei Berlin, Residence: Halle an der Saale, Religion: Catholic

81 Pollak, Josef (1861-01-20 1942-04-26) Birthplace: Rajec, Residence: Rajec, Religion: Jew

81 Neumann, Betti (1862-09-28 1943-12-30) Birthplace: Geburtsort nicht bekannt, Residence: Wohnort nicht bekannt, Religion: Unknown

81 Szewczyk, Zdzislaw (1862-10-27 1943-12-18) Birthplace: Tarnobrzeg, Residence: Moschin, Religion: Catholic

81 Gruszczynski, Maria (1862-06-16 1943-07-21) Birthplace: Klonowa, Residence: Litzmannstadt-Chojny, Religion: Catholic

81 Subrt, Nepomucena (1862-06-21 1943-07-25) Birthplace: Swatoborschitz, Residence: Tscheloschnitz, Religion: Catholic

81 Brüll, Johanna Sara (1862-11-29 1943-12-30) Birthplace: Geburtsort nicht bekannt, Residence: Theresienstadt, Religion: Unknown

81 Eiser, Johanna (1861-05-09 1942-06-02) Birthplace: Nositz, Residence: Rajetz, Religion: Jew

80 Sojka, Berta Sara (1863-01-01 1943-12-27) Birthplace: Jungbunzlau, Residence: Theresienstadt, Religion: Jew

80 Stopnicki, Michal (1860-08-31 1941-08-25) Birthplace: Stare Stawy, Residence: Jaslo, Religion: Catholic

80 Dirnfeld, Israel (1861-07-00 1942-06-24) Birthplace: Nitra, Residence: Nitra, Religion: Jew

80 Pietrowicz, Anton (1863-00-00 1943-12-18) Birthplace: Suchopiatowa, Residence: Suchopiatowa, Religion: Greek Orthodox

80 Waitz, Karl (1862-06-15 1943-05-06) Birthplace: Pleil, Residence: Graz, Religion: Catholic

80 Spakow, Tatjana (1863-00-00 1943-11-15) Birthplace: Stiriki, Residence: Lopatki, Religion: Greek Orthodox

80 Szubrow, Tatjana (1863-00-00 1943-10-27) Birthplace: Bobruszki, Residence: Bielikow, Religion: Greek Orthodox

80 Orieszenko, Andriej (1863-00-00 1943-10-07) Birthplace: Chabaty, Residence: Chabaty, Religion: Greek Orthodox

80 Stefaniak, Wiktoria (1862-10-14 1943-06-19) Birthplace: Garz, Residence: Komsdorf, Religion: Catholic

80 Jelinski, Jozefa (1863-03-12 1943-11-15) Birthplace: Tschenstochau, Residence: Litzmannstadt, Religion: Catholic

80 Pohl, Wilhelm (1862-09-13 1943-05-07) Birthplace: Beneschau, Residence: Teplitz-Schönau, Religion: Catholic

80 Rotholz, Louis Israel (1862-07-12 1943-02-13) Birthplace: Pyritz, Residence: Berlin, Religion: Jew

80 Stein, Rudolf (1863-01-01 1943-07-03) Birthplace: Breslau, Residence: Bremen, Religion: Catholic

80 Graczek, Marja (1863-07-16 1943-12-26) Birthplace: Salzberg, Residence: Jaworzno, Religion: Catholic

80 Karoly, Juliana (1863-01-12 1943-06-20) Birthplace: Mönchmeierhof, Residence: Spitzzicken, Religion: Catholic

80 Daniel, Josef (1863-02-16 1943-07-09) Birthplace: Bilowitz, Residence: Bilowitz, Religion: Catholic

80 Herzberger, Oswald Julius Hermann (1863-02-07 1943-06-23) Birthplace: Striegau, Residence: Neumünster, Religion: Protestant

80 Serynek, Beatrix (1863-00-00 1943-05-04) Birthplace: Milschitz, Residence: Pilsen, Religion: Catholic

80 Wagner, Emilie Sara (1863-11-25 1943-12-28) Birthplace: Slatina bei Königgrätz, Residence: Theresienstadt, Religion: Jew

As the holocaust of six million Jews in World War I was eventually revised to zero, the Jewish magazine FORWARD, November 25, 2005 is continuing to revise downward the number of Jews claimed to have been exterminated in Auschwitz from the one-time figure of nine million, to not millions, not hundreds of thousands, but "thousands" of "deaths," not exterminations. (As we know, most deaths were from disease caused by allied destruction of supply lines near war's end). And Auschwitz is now a "concentration camp," no longer a "death camp":

if you are serious about finding answers...

start here

link to a breakdown of the thousands who died in German concentration camps...

they were not gassed...

they were not mass murdered...

[thunder24]

Posted by loungelizard (here)
@thunder24

Hello Thunder24

Firstly, I'm curious as to why the title of this thread has been changed on your post number 142. What does "Spjewseech" mean?!!!!!no idea...truly

Thank you for posting that video thunder24.your welcome I haven't watched the whole thing yet, but wanted to comment on the part I have seen.

I found the juxtaposition of real life footage and footage from the fictional film "The Rise of Evil" with Robert Carlyle to be unnerving , along with the musical soundtrack. I couldn't help but feel my emotions were being manipulated, which, in the context of this subject, makes my spidey senses tingle. Did that bother you at all?most films bother me when they add music like that and "movie" within....and we all need to be able to control our own emotions, so i didn't feel manipulated...sorry you did.

Here are a few specific observations: perhaps you'd like to comment on them.

0.50 There is a statement, "Unfortunately, the Jewish masses won…(turn on echo machine)…the jewish masses won…the jewish masses won…" which sets a sensationalist and inauspicious tone for the whole film: at least the film maker makes their bias clear right at the start. actually thats part 4 so not from the start...

1.48 The "stabbed in the back" theory is a legend has been widely discussed and is generally held up to be pseudohistory: I'm certainly no expert, but I tend to go along with the thinking that it was a combination of Hitler's paranoia and a conspiracy propagated by right wing groups to explain the loss of WW1 http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Stab-in-the-back_legend

Milneman - you've first hand knowledge about Mein Kampf - doesn't he write about it in there? Wasn't it originally voiced by one of the generals in WW1?

4.43 This quotation from the Daily Express is actually reporting on the Jewish boycott of German goods, which was one of the international Jewish responses to the policies of the Nazis. The first sentence of that report says, "A strange and unforeseen sequel has emerged from the stories of German Jew-baiting." http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/orgs/b...a-declares-war
By not explaining this fully, this film is implying that the Jews were responsible for WW2: that it was they who declared war on the Nazis. It turns them into the antagonists. ...OK

5.19 It's well known that the Daily Mail newspaper was involved in an anti-Jewish campaign in the 1940s. Lord Rothermere, whom I believed owned the paper and was a friend of Hitler and Mussolini, wrote this article being quoted here. He was acknowledged as holding strong, far-right political views, and also wrote material in support of Oswald Mosley - although he later withdrew his support....OK

6.52 Who is speaking here? Without that information, his statement that "certainly we wanted the Jews out of Germany"
is meaningless. I Don't know...I hope all use their own descretion of any information they look at, and the mind to look for those answers they have themselves.

7.01 Who is speaking here? Do we have references to the claims he makes? His testimony is too emotive to be reliable in my opinion: calling the Jews "gangsters" shows partiality. imo...he called em like he saw em...

To summarise: I find the tone of the film to be questionable, with faceless anonymous voiceovers (unless there is a reference to the sources at the end of the film? I haven't got that far yet) and press headlines and editorials taken out of context without any further elaboration.

That's as far as I've had time to watch.

I'd be really interested to hear how you see the film: it's so important to hear about other people's viewpoints, and compare how they see things.

I was looking for information, not emotions and such...I read books and watch movies for information... lots of times when I go through them there is "lots of ore, and little gold", but to me its worth looking for the gold. For me, the gold was the info on the state of Germany prior to the second War. Any time information is presented it has a bias and an agenda, i know that going in, and I know i' v been lied too in life..sooooooo.......

"read once for knowledge, twice for understanding....etc..."

peace

[aikisaw]

Loungelizard
4.43 This quotation from the Daily Express is actually reporting on the Jewish boycott of German goods, which was one of the international Jewish responses to the policies of the Nazis. The first sentence of that report says, "A strange and unforeseen sequel has emerged from the stories of German Jew-baiting." http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/orgs/b...a-declares-war
By not explaining this fully, this film is implying that the Jews were responsible for WW2: that it was they who declared war on the Nazis. It turns them into the antagonists.

5.19 It's well known that the Daily Mail newspaper was involved in an anti-Jewish campaign in the 1940s. Lord Rothermere, whom I believed owned the paper and was a friend of Hitler and Mussolini, wrote this article being quoted here. He was acknowledged as holding strong, far-right political views, and also wrote material in support of Oswald Mosley - although he later withdrew his support.

Are you saying they were not antagonists? The link you posted is seems to imply they were. It is not hard to see how a world wide boycott of your goods and services could be viewed as an act of war. There are many other publications where Jewish leadership said exactly that.

Each of you, Jew and Gentile alike, who has not already enlisted in this sacred war should do so now and here. It is not sufficient that you should buy no goods made in Germany. You must refuse to deal with any merchant or shopkeeper who sells any German-made goods or who patronises German ships or shipping.... we will undermine the Hitler regime and bring the German people to their senses by destroying their export trade on which their very existence depends." - Samuel Undermeyer, in a Radio Broadcast on WABC, New York, August 6, 1933. Reported in the New York Times, August 7, 1933.

Hitler will have no war (does not want war), but we will force it on him, not this year, but soon." - Emil Ludwig Cohn in Les Annales, June, 1934 (also quoted in his book "The New Holy Alliance").

We Jews are going to bring a war on Germany." - David A. Brown, National Chairman, United Jewish Campaign, 1934 (quoted in "I Testify Against The Jews" by Robert Edward Edmondson, page 188 and "The Jewish War of Survival" by Arnold Leese, page 52).

On the 3rd of June, 1938, the American Hebrew boasted that they had Jews in the foremost positions of influence in Britain, Russia and France, and that these "three sons of Israel will be sending the Nazi dictator to hell." - Joseph Trimble, the American Hebrew.

The Jews, taken collectively, view this war as a holy war." - The Daily Herald, No.7450, 1939, quoted in "Reichstagsbrand, Aufklärung einer historischen Legende," by U. Backes, K.H. Janßen, E. Jesse, H. Köhler, H. Mommsen, E Tobias.


The joke doing the rounds of the British Union of Fascists at this time, was that the Jewish national anthem was, 'Onward Christian Soldiers.

You can find more quotes here. http://always-myown.blogspot.com/200...many-1933.html

To be fair, they did not act alone. http://rense.com/general83/dett.htm

"Germany is too strong. We must destroy her."
- Winston Churchill, Nov. 1936.

"Britain was taking advantage of the situation to go to war against Germany because the Reich had become too strong and had upset the European balance." - Ralph F. Keeling, Institute of American Economics

"I emphasized that the defeat of Germany and Japan and their elimination from world trade would give Britain a tremendous opportunity to swell her foreign commerce in both volume and profit." - Samuel Untermeyer, The Public Years, p.347.

"Britain was taking advantage of the situation to go to war against Germany because the Reich had become too strong and had upset the European balance." - Ralph F. Keeling, Institute of American Economics

"In no country has the historical blackout been more intense and effective than in Great Britain. Here it has been ingeniously christened The Iron Curtain of Discreet Silence. Virtually nothing has been written to reveal the truth about British responsibility for the Second World War and its disastrous results." - Harry Elmer Barnes. American Historian

Here then is one of the many reasons why Hitler must be portrayed as the personification of evil.

It didn't matter.

The world wide boycott didn't work.

Hitler took the German economy from last in Europe in 1933 to first in 1939.

By these means Schacht intended to collapse the German economy, which during the period 1933-39 had increased its gross national product by 100 percent. From being a ruined and bankrupt nation in January 1933 with over six million unemployed persons, Hitler had transformed Germany into a socialist paradise and the most powerful and prosperous state in the history of Europe

Hitler had figured out the banking and finance scam. http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/09...est-servitude/

“THE COMMON INTEREST BEFORE SELF-THE SPIRIT OF THE PROGRAM ABOLITION OF THE THRALLDOM OF INTEREST – THE CORE OF NATIONAL SOCIALISM.” “Once these two points are achieved, it means a victory of their approaching universalist ordering of society in the true state over the present-day separation of state, nation and economics under the corrupting influence of the individualist theory of society as now constructed. The sham state of today, oppressing the working classes and protecting the pirated gains of bankers and stock exchange speculators, is the area for reckless private enrichment and for the lowest political profiteering; it gives no thought to its people, and provides no high moral bond of union. The power of money, most ruthless of all powers, holds absolute control, and exercises corrupting, destroying influence on state, nation, society, morals, drama, literature and on all matters of morality, less easy to estimate.(

[Milneman]

...And then he invaded Poland.

[loungelizard]

Good morning Rocky Shorz

Thank you for your response to the email from the author of the text you presented in post 114 as evidence of the "6 million shall vanish" prophecy.

The text you say is evidence is not evidence - from the horse's mouth.

That seems to debunked that particular piece of evidence.


you wrote:
"no actually I would have expected an American Jewish Professor to deny what is known or admit to one of the worlds biggest conspiracies…"

Which part of your dismissal of the credibility of the author you quoted actually makes him unreliable?

Is it cos he's American?
Is it cos he's Jewish?
Is is cos he's a Professor?

[Milneman]

It's because he didn't invade Poland.

SORRY! I will shut up n' read more.

[loungelizard]

Me again, Rocky Shorz

You have quoted from the site biblebelievers and so I have read your source.

It states, "As the holocaust of six million Jews in World War I was eventually revised to zero…"

To which "holocaust of six million Jews in WW1" is this a reference?

A large number of Jews - along with many many other people - died in WWI. As far as I understand, that was not systematic genocide. I am not aware that it has even been referred to as a holocaust.

Unless it is a reference to Dan Gannon's fictitious claim that Martin Glynn spoke of this in a speech in 1919. If you're interested, I can post a link to the transcript of this speech - where there is no reference to "the extermination of 6 million Jews and the holocaust of European Jewry during the Great War" as alleged by Mr Gannon.

If so, it's another fabrication

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Your source also states
"…the Jewish magazine FORWARD, November 25, 2005 is continuing to revise downward the number of Jews claimed to have been exterminated in Auschwitz…"


I have been to the FORWARD magazine archives, and read through that edition, and there is no reference to this claim that I can find.

I have made an effort to check the veracity, and have been unable to do so. The ball is now in your court. Unless you can come up with this article in FORWARD, I'm afraid this is yet another piece of propaganda.

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Rocky, it's obvious that you have a genuine interest in trying to find out whatever truth you can in this lifetime - not an easy task, with all the side tracks and trails of breadcrumbs.

May I humbly suggest that you broaden your scope of reference. As you said above, there are propaganda machines out there and to assume that you're not plugged into one of them is a very dangerous state of mind.

For example, you used http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/ as your source. This is not to say that one shouldn't read sites like this as part of an investigation, but to refer only to sites with a similar bias will slant one's vision. You probably don't trust Wikipedia, but even if only part of this is true, it should ring alarm bells:

"Bible Believers is the website of the Bible Believers' Church of Sydney, New South Wales, Australia.
Because the website reprints antisemitic material such as The Protocols of the Elders of Zion and Henry Ford’s The International Jew,[1][2] and Holocaust denial material from authors such as Bradley Smith and Mark Weber, a complaint was lodged under Australia’s Racial Discrimination Act.[2][3][4][5] In 2007, Justice Richard Conti of the Federal Court of Australia ordered Anthony Grigor-Scott to remove from the website antisemitic claims that Jews deliberately exaggerated the number of Jews killed during World War II.[3][6]
Bible Believers were described as "[o]ne of the most visible of the plethora of eccentric pseudo-Christian groups in Australia" and "extremist" by the Australia/Israel & Jewish Affairs Council (AIJAC) in their 2008 report on antisemitism in Australia.[7]"

[Tony]

Dissent is terrorism ....sound familiar?

[Andrew]

Copied over from Turiya's thread here

Rense 7/30/2013

Hour1: Mike King - Hitler vs The New World Order

Interesting talk with a different view.


Website

And did those feet in ancient time
Walk upon England's mountains green?
And was the holy Lamb of God
On England's pleasant pastures seen?

And did the Countenance Divine
Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
And was Jerusalem builded here
Among these dark Satanic Mills?

Bring me my bow of burning gold!
Bring me my arrows of desire!
Bring me my spear! O clouds, unfold!
Bring me my charriot of fire!

I will not cease from mental fight,
Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand
Till we have built Jerusalem
In England's green and pleasant land.

[loungelizard]

[QUOTE=aikisaw;768709]

Loungelizard
4.43 This quotation from the Daily Express is actually reporting on the Jewish boycott of German goods, which was one of the international Jewish responses to the policies of the Nazis. The first sentence of that report says, "A strange and unforeseen sequel has emerged from the stories of German Jew-baiting." http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/orgs/b...a-declares-war
By not explaining this fully, this film is implying that the Jews were responsible for WW2: that it was they who declared war on the Nazis. It turns them into the antagonists.

Are you saying they were not antagonists? The link you posted is seems to imply they were. It is not hard to see how a world wide boycott of your goods and services could be viewed as an act of war. There are many other publications where Jewish leadership said exactly that.

Thank you for the reply, aikisaw - I'd like to respond to the section I have bolded.

I should have explained that I was just providing a link to the whole Daily Express news story for those who wish to know the context, and so have the possibility spot the various inaccuracies contained within it. For example, if you read it you will see that the story implies that all Jews took part: they didn't. German Jews couldn't. Jews in the UK did not support it (as reported in The Times March 27th). The Jewish settlement in Palestine could not.

The Daily Express is (and I think always was?) a tabloid paper, and this title "Judea Declares War" was nothing other than a sensationalist showstopping headline to describe the Jewish boycott of German products. If war really had been declared - literally declared - wouldn't it have been covered in some of the other newspapers of the time?

Actually, it is hard to see how a boycott of goods and services can be viewed as an act of war. Boycotts happen all the time: there was a campaign in the UK in the 1980s to boycott goods from South Africa…was that a declaration of war?

Yes, there were individuals who spoke out against the acts of oppression by Nazi party (thank you - I read the blog you posted). But the important point is that they were individuals. There was no unified body, no single massive boycott. There was no threat to Germany.

The Jewish people had no means to declare war, in any literal sense of the word. They had no army, and no united leadership, and there is no statement of the intention to attack Germany.

My main point is that this was an economic and financial war - it was in some ways symbolic - and was one of the very few weapons at the disposal of a people undergoing oppression.

All there seems to be is one tabloid paper trying to sell more editions than their competitors.

And some lone voices, buried in long forgotten tomes and dusty periodicals who dared to speak out about the dangers they perceived.

Actually you know, that is very poignant and chilling...

[aikisaw]

Posted by Andrew (here)
Copied over from Turiya's thread here

Rense 7/30/2013

Hour1: Mike King - Hitler vs The New World Order

Interesting talk with a different view.


Website

And did those feet in ancient time
Walk upon England's mountains green?
And was the holy Lamb of God
On England's pleasant pastures seen?

And did the Countenance Divine
Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
And was Jerusalem builded here
Among these dark Satanic Mills?

Bring me my bow of burning gold!
Bring me my arrows of desire!
Bring me my spear! O clouds, unfold!
Bring me my charriot of fire!

I will not cease from mental fight,
Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand
Till we have built Jerusalem
In England's green and pleasant land.

Thank you for posting the audio link. It does a nice job in covering the larger Zionist conspiracy.

I had forgotten about the ten questions for Zionists mentioned in the interview. http://www.nkusa.org/Historical_docu...nquestions.cfm

Ten questions to the Zionists
by Rabbi Michael Dov Weissmandl ZT"L
Dean of Nitra Yeshiva and author of min hametzar
(Published by the author in 1948 and reprinted many times)

1.


IS IT TRUE that in 1941 and again in 1942, the German Gestapo offered all European Jews transit to Spain, if they would relinquish all their property in Germany and Occupied France; on condition that:
a) none of the deportees travel from Spain to Palestine; and
b) all the deportees be transported from Spain to the USA or British colonies, and there to remain; with entry visas to be arranged by the Jews living there; and
c) $1000.00 ransom for each family to be furnished by the Agency, payable upon the arrival of the family at the Spanish border at the rate of 1000 families daily.


2.


IS IT TRUE that the Zionist leaders in Switzerland and Turkey received this offer with the clear understanding that the exclusion of Palestine as a destination for the deportees was based on an agreement between the Gestapo and the Mufti.

3.


IS IT TRUE that the answer of the Zionist leaders was negative, with the following comments:
a) ONLY Palestine would be considered as a destination for the deportees.
b) The European Jews must accede to suffering and death greater in measure than the other nations, in order that the victorious allies agree to a "Jewish State" at the end of the war.
c) No ransom will be paid

4.


IS IT TRUE that this response to the Gestapo's offer was made with the full knowledge that the alternative to this offer was the gas chamber.

5.


IS IT TRUE that in 1944, at the time of the Hungarian deportations, a similar offer was made, whereby all Hungarian Jewry could be saved.

6.


IS IT TRUE that the same Zionist hierarchy again refused this offer (after the gas chambers had already taken a toll of millions).

7.


IS IT TRUE that during the height of the killings in the war, 270 Members of the British Parliament proposed to evacuate 500,000 Jews from Europe, and resettle them in British colonies, as a part of diplomatic negotiations with Germany.

8.


IS IT TRUE that this offer was rejected by the Zionist leaders with the observation "Only to Palestine!"

9.


IS IT TRUE that the British government granted visas to 300 rabbis and their families to the Colony of Mauritius, with passage for the evacuees through Turkey. The "Jewish Agency" leaders sabotaged this plan with the observation that the plan was disloyal to Palestine, and the 300 rabbis and their families should be gassed.

10.


IS IT TRUE that during the course of the negotiations mentioned above, Chaim Weitzman, the first "Jewish statesman" stated: "The most valuable part of the Jewish nation is already in Palestine, and those Jews living outside Palestine are not too important". Weitzman's cohort, Greenbaum, amplified this statement with the observation "One cow in Palestine is worth more than all the Jews in Europe".

I thought the poem was about the Irish Origins of Civilization. According to wiki it is about a possible visit from Jesus.
Anyone interested can watch a six part series on the origins if you like. It is a very long series.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=x-1nSnlBdR0

[Milneman]

Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
Dissent is terrorism ....sound familiar?

[superconsciousness]

An international Jewish conspiracy? The Holocaust never happened? Really? Is this really a conversation here?

There are rogue elements inside all organizations.

Please remember that when you parrot info you got off a Christian Evangelical-Nazi sympathizing website with doctored numbers.

Go visit the Holocaust Museum in DC. It will assuage your concerns that it didn't happen.

As a half-Jew with many family members dead from the camps, I ask please be aware of a few things:

- Don't confuse Jews with Zionists. Zionists include many non-Jews.

- The actions of the current state of Israel do not have the support of most "Jews". Indeed, the current government is inhabited by Russians and Europeans. They may call themselves Jews but European Jews are not ethnically Semitic as they converted en masse in 800AD in the Caucuses.

- When a group is victimized by an oppressor, the victim can internalize the oppressor and act in ways it did not before. So may be the case here.

[Milneman]

Ok so I'm curious. I want to just get this out in the open, and stated as clearly as possible, so I can deal with these concepts and try to develop an idea about what it all means.

There are two (maybe more) general schools of opinion about the reasoning behind the Second World War. These are a) the typical historical examination, as detailed scholarly in such books as "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" and others, and b) the historical account which suggests that more sinister forces, among which a "zionist" conspiracy had more control that is generally acknowledged. In other words, the second school of though purports that Zionism is in some way responsible for either the deaths of six million jews (and others), or the fudging of numbers, or of communism, or baldness.

All giggles aside, does this basically seem to be true? And who, would you say, is the major influence behind each "version" of history?

I have a point to make but I want to make sure I understand everyone correctly before I dive in, and maybe actually make things worse because I don't understand the basic "hypotheses" let's call them.

So in one or two sentences (HA!) can you summarise your points? I promise I will do so when time permits.

[Vitalux]

Posted by Milneman (here)
Ok so I'm curious. I want to just get this out in the open, and stated as clearly as possible, so I can deal with these concepts and try to develop an idea about what it all means.
who, would you say, is the major influence behind each "version" of history?

I kind of think of it this way.....

Up in some Alien command center in that so called galactic universe some aliens sat around a table and needed to figure out on which planet they could have a war so some souls could have that experience of enjoyment.
So they programmed it to happen on Earth.

[Flash]

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)

Posted by loungelizard (here)

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Is it now possible to agree that this "prophecy" is a canard? Untrue? A hoax?

If there is no response to this, I will assume that you agree

no actually I would have expected an American Jewish Professor to deny what is known or admit to one of the worlds biggest conspiracies...

but for those searching for truths, I wouldn't go to the propaganda machine to ask for answers...

The following is a list of those persons over the age of 80 whose names occur in the "Auschwitz death books".

122 Kohn, Elisabeth (1819-12-08 1942-08-15) Birthplace: Trencin, Residence: Trencin, Religion: Jew

90 Königstein, Anna Sara (1852-12-30 1943-12-27) Birthplace: Poleschowitz, Residence: Theresienstadt, Religion: Jew

90 Ruzicka, Marie (1852-12-10 1943-05-12) Birthplace: Klattau, Residence: Gross Dobray, Religion: Catholic

89 Hoffmann, Josef (1852-08-12 1942-06-22) Birthplace: Vrutky, Residence: Vrutky, Religion: Jew
88 Strauss, Arnold (1853-12-29 1942-06-22) Birthplace: Bobrow, Residence: Banska Bystrica, Religion: Jew

88 Herzberg, Johann (1854-12-25 1943-04-07) Birthplace: Wöllnitz, Residence: Gotenhafen, Religion: Catholic

87 Zagolkin, Nikifor (1856-00-00 1943-12-05) Birthplace: Styriki, Residence: Styriki, Religion: Greek Orthodox

87 Horvath, Anna (1856-03-07 1943-05-10) Birthplace: Schreibersdorf, Residence: Althodis, Religion: Catholic

86 Kannengießer, Leopold (1855-08-10 1942-07-14) Birthplace: Neu Sandez, Residence: Presov, Religion: Jew
86 Strukow, Praskowja (1857-00-00 1943-11-09) Birthplace: Wierieczi, Residence: Kalzy, Religion: Greek Orthodox

86 Strojny, Jozefa (1857-02-23 1943-11-08) Birthplace: Sulejow, Residence: Litzmannstadt, Religion: Catholic
86 Kreutz, Elisabeth (1857-04-03 1943-07-31) Birthplace: Römershausen, Residence: Dortmund, Religion: Protestant

85 Zegolkin, Domna (1858-00-00 1943-12-23) Birthplace: Malchaty, Residence: Lopatki, Religion: Greek Orthodox

85 Laski, Apolonia (1858-00-00 1943-12-21) Birthplace: Dubowik, Residence: Sawin Dub, Religion: Greek Orthodox

85 Karpowicz, Wasilij (1858-00-00 1943-11-09) Birthplace: Borisow, Residence: Borisow, Religion: Greek Orthodox

85 Berousek, Cecilie (1857-10-04 1943-03-31) Birthplace: Frauenberg (Budweis), Residence: Bistrowan, Religion: Catholic

85 Weiß, Eva (1858-01-04 1943-05-04) Birthplace: Gehaus, Residence: Unterrückersbach, Religion: Catholic

85 Petermann, Maria (1858-02-01 1943-05-26) Birthplace: Sennheim, Residence: Berlin NO 55, Religion: Catholic

84 Grysimienko, Achriem (1859-00-00 1943-12-09) Birthplace: Lipinki, Residence: ---, Religion: Unknown

84 Wesolowski, Malgorzata (1859-00-00 1943-11-18) Birthplace: Witonia, Residence: Litzmannstadt, Religion: Catholic

84 Jonasz, Moric (1858-06-17 1942-06-23) Birthplace: Lest, Residence: Banska Bystrica, Religion: Jew

83 Spindler, Blondina Josefa (1859-07-22 1943-06-22) Birthplace: Gnotzheim, Residence: Filzingen, Religion: Catholic

83 Baranow, Anastasija (1860-00-00 1943-11-01) Birthplace: Dworiszcza, Residence: Jakowlewo, Religion: Greek Orthodox

83 Schkomarovsky, Ester Sara (1860-03-00 1943-12-30) Birthplace: Kyjov, Residence: Theresienstadt, Religion: Jew

83 Bardaczow, Nikita (1860-05-00 1943-10-08) Birthplace: Plaszkowo, Residence: Plaszkowo, Religion: Greek Orthodox

83 Weiss, Moritz (1859-03-07 1942-07-14) Birthplace: Ilwes, Residence: Presov, Religion: Jew

83 Prager, Reinhold (1860-02-02 1943-04-12) Birthplace: Sankt Sanglow, Residence: München-Bernsdorf, Religion: Protestant

83 Schneck, Kreszentia (1860-02-10 1943-04-16) Birthplace: Rohrdorf, Residence: Ravensburg-Ummenwinkel, Religion: Catholic

83 Frank, Max (1859-05-10 1942-06-25) Birthplace: Velké-Surovce, Residence: Piestany, Religion: Jew

83 Heiman, Ernestine (1859-04-08 1942-04-22) Birthplace: Banovce nad Bebravou, Residence: Trencin, Religion: Jew

83 Rostalski, Jadwiga (1860-10-25 1943-11-01) Birthplace: Falkenhof, Residence: Litzmannstadt, Religion: Catholic

82 Friedrich, Theodor (1860-10-04 1943-06-03) Birthplace: Groß-Küdde, Residence: Berlin N 54, Religion: Catholic

82 Horvath, Ignaz (1860-09-27 1943-05-06) Birthplace: Zahling, Residence: Zahling, Religion: Catholic

82 Buriansky, Marie (1860-11-11 1943-03-16) Birthplace: Brockesdorf, Residence: Stadt-Liebau, Religion: Catholic

82 Knopf, Agnes Sara (1861-11-28 1943-12-30) Birthplace: Geburtsort nicht bekannt, Residence: Theresienstadt, Religion: Unknown

82 Rosenberg, Elisabeth (1861-04-21 1943-05-10) Birthplace: Klein-Wanzleben, Residence: Berlin-Marzahn, Religion: Catholic

81 Welkewitz, Chana Sara (1862-01-20 1943-12-30) Birthplace: Geburtsort nicht bekannt, Residence: Theresienstadt, Religion: Unknown

81 Sommer, Luzie Sara (1862-04-03 1943-12-30) Birthplace: Raudnitz an der Elbe, Residence: Theresienstadt, Religion: Jew

81 Vohryzek, Leopold (1862-03-30 1943-12-22) Birthplace: Hermannstädtl bei Chrudim, Residence: Theresienstadt, Religion: Jew

81 Richter, Chaim (1860-08-18 1942-03-01) Birthplace: Krenau, Residence: Krenau, Religion: Jew

81 Herrmann, Katharina (1862-03-28 1943-10-08) Birthplace: Eisenau, Residence: Sielanki, Religion: Catholic

81 Holomek, Johann (1861-09-26 1943-03-31) Birthplace: Napajedl, Residence: Napajedl, Zigeunerlager, Religion: Catholic

81 Bello, Martin (1862-03-25 1943-07-21) Birthplace: Niederfinow bei Berlin, Residence: Halle an der Saale, Religion: Catholic

81 Pollak, Josef (1861-01-20 1942-04-26) Birthplace: Rajec, Residence: Rajec, Religion: Jew

81 Neumann, Betti (1862-09-28 1943-12-30) Birthplace: Geburtsort nicht bekannt, Residence: Wohnort nicht bekannt, Religion: Unknown

81 Szewczyk, Zdzislaw (1862-10-27 1943-12-18) Birthplace: Tarnobrzeg, Residence: Moschin, Religion: Catholic

81 Gruszczynski, Maria (1862-06-16 1943-07-21) Birthplace: Klonowa, Residence: Litzmannstadt-Chojny, Religion: Catholic

81 Subrt, Nepomucena (1862-06-21 1943-07-25) Birthplace: Swatoborschitz, Residence: Tscheloschnitz, Religion: Catholic

81 Brüll, Johanna Sara (1862-11-29 1943-12-30) Birthplace: Geburtsort nicht bekannt, Residence: Theresienstadt, Religion: Unknown

81 Eiser, Johanna (1861-05-09 1942-06-02) Birthplace: Nositz, Residence: Rajetz, Religion: Jew

80 Sojka, Berta Sara (1863-01-01 1943-12-27) Birthplace: Jungbunzlau, Residence: Theresienstadt, Religion: Jew

80 Stopnicki, Michal (1860-08-31 1941-08-25) Birthplace: Stare Stawy, Residence: Jaslo, Religion: Catholic

80 Dirnfeld, Israel (1861-07-00 1942-06-24) Birthplace: Nitra, Residence: Nitra, Religion: Jew

80 Pietrowicz, Anton (1863-00-00 1943-12-18) Birthplace: Suchopiatowa, Residence: Suchopiatowa, Religion: Greek Orthodox

80 Waitz, Karl (1862-06-15 1943-05-06) Birthplace: Pleil, Residence: Graz, Religion: Catholic

80 Spakow, Tatjana (1863-00-00 1943-11-15) Birthplace: Stiriki, Residence: Lopatki, Religion: Greek Orthodox

80 Szubrow, Tatjana (1863-00-00 1943-10-27) Birthplace: Bobruszki, Residence: Bielikow, Religion: Greek Orthodox

80 Orieszenko, Andriej (1863-00-00 1943-10-07) Birthplace: Chabaty, Residence: Chabaty, Religion: Greek Orthodox

80 Stefaniak, Wiktoria (1862-10-14 1943-06-19) Birthplace: Garz, Residence: Komsdorf, Religion: Catholic

80 Jelinski, Jozefa (1863-03-12 1943-11-15) Birthplace: Tschenstochau, Residence: Litzmannstadt, Religion: Catholic

80 Pohl, Wilhelm (1862-09-13 1943-05-07) Birthplace: Beneschau, Residence: Teplitz-Schönau, Religion: Catholic

80 Rotholz, Louis Israel (1862-07-12 1943-02-13) Birthplace: Pyritz, Residence: Berlin, Religion: Jew

80 Stein, Rudolf (1863-01-01 1943-07-03) Birthplace: Breslau, Residence: Bremen, Religion: Catholic

80 Graczek, Marja (1863-07-16 1943-12-26) Birthplace: Salzberg, Residence: Jaworzno, Religion: Catholic

80 Karoly, Juliana (1863-01-12 1943-06-20) Birthplace: Mönchmeierhof, Residence: Spitzzicken, Religion: Catholic

80 Daniel, Josef (1863-02-16 1943-07-09) Birthplace: Bilowitz, Residence: Bilowitz, Religion: Catholic

80 Herzberger, Oswald Julius Hermann (1863-02-07 1943-06-23) Birthplace: Striegau, Residence: Neumünster, Religion: Protestant

80 Serynek, Beatrix (1863-00-00 1943-05-04) Birthplace: Milschitz, Residence: Pilsen, Religion: Catholic

80 Wagner, Emilie Sara (1863-11-25 1943-12-28) Birthplace: Slatina bei Königgrätz, Residence: Theresienstadt, Religion: Jew

As the holocaust of six million Jews in World War I was eventually revised to zero, the Jewish magazine FORWARD, November 25, 2005 is continuing to revise downward the number of Jews claimed to have been exterminated in Auschwitz from the one-time figure of nine million, to not millions, not hundreds of thousands, but "thousands" of "deaths," not exterminations. (As we know, most deaths were from disease caused by allied destruction of supply lines near war's end). And Auschwitz is now a "concentration camp," no longer a "death camp":

if you are serious about finding answers...

start here

link to a breakdown of the thousands who died in German concentration camps...

they were not gassed...

they were not mass murdered...

I am sorry, but this seems a bit awkard to me. Yes, there were lots of non Jewish in the camps, but it is very difficult to me not to believe there were widespread torture and that Jews made the bulk of it, when I had the honor to meet, when I was younger, one of Auswicht resident, tatooed, and she told me tiny bits of what went on. They would arrive from Warsaw in train, be immediately put in a queue, be examined briefly and then separated in different groups. One for the shower, another one for Mengele, and a third group for work camp.

She was reknown and recongnised by the camp queue dispatcher and because of that, she was sent to Mengele, because the camp dispatcher knew she would suffer hell but be kept alive. She was experimented on her legs, the veins and bone systems. The results of the experiments were extremely apparent. She was rescued by Americans.

Back to Poland, having helped to establish the Polish communist party before the war, and now being openly against it when she saw what it was about, she was then sent for 5 years in a Soviet gulag. Survived this and came back to Poland to end up with her son in Canada. The communist Poland gave her medals for creating the communist party there but refused her the visa to go pick it up. Just to tell how silly politic is.

How cannot you believe that there were numerous jews killed, when you met a first hand witness/victim. Warsaw had over one million Jews, not many were left afterwards. Add the German Jews, the French Jews, the Itallian Jews, we surely come to a few millions. Then add the gypsies en masse, add the gays, add.....

[Rocky_Shorz]

Posted by loungelizard (here)
It states, "As the holocaust of six million Jews in World War I was eventually revised to zero…"

To which "holocaust of six million Jews in WW1" is this a reference?

A large number of Jews - along with many many other people - died in WWI. As far as I understand, that was not systematic genocide. I am not aware that it has even been referred to as a holocaust...

In dealing with this comprehensive, three-volume Report, it is important to stress that the delegates of the International Red Cross found no evidence whatever at the camps in Axis occupied Europe of a deliberate policy to exterminate the Jews. In all its 1,600 pages the Report does not even mention such a thing as a gas chamber. It admits that Jews, like many other wartime nationalities, suffered rigours and privations, but its complete silence on the subject of planned extermination is ample refutation of the Six Million legend. Like the Vatican representatives with whom they worked, the Red Cross found itself unable to indulge in the irresponsible charges of genocide which had become the order of the day. So far as the genuine mortality rate is concerned, the Report points out that most of the Jewish doctors from the camps were being used to combat typhus on the eastern front, so that they were unavailable when the typhus epidemics of 1945 broke out in the camps (Vol. I, p. 204 ff) - Incidentally, it is frequently claimed that mass executions were carried out in gas chambers cunningly disguised as shower facilities. Again the Report makes nonsense of this allegation. "Not only the washing places, but installations for baths, showers and laundry were inspected by the delegates. They had often to take action to have fixtures made less primitive, and to get them repaired or enlarged" (Vol. III, p. 594).

Not All Were Interned
Volume III of the Red Cross Report, Chapter 3 (I. Jewish Civilian Population) deals with the "aid given to the Jewish section of the free population," and this chapter makes it quite plain that by no means all of the European Jews were placed in internment camps, but remained, subject to certain restrictions, as part of the free civilian population. This conflicts directly with the "thoroughness" of the supposed "extermination programme", and with the claim in the forged Höss memoirs that Eichmann was obsessed with seizing "every single Jew he could lay his hands on."

In Slovakia, for example, where Eichmann's assistant Dieter Wisliceny was in charge, the Report states that "A large proportion of the Jewish minority had permission to stay in the country, and at certain periods Slovakia was looked upon as a comparative haven of refuge for Jews, especially for those coming from Poland. Those who remained in Slovakia seem to have been in comparative safety until the end of August 1944, when a rising against the German forces took place. While it is true that the law of May 15th, 1942 had brought about the internment of several thousand Jews, these people were held in camps where the conditions of food and lodging were tolerable, and where the internees were allowed to do paid work on terms almost equal to those of the free labour market" (Vol. I, p. 646).

Not only did large numbers of the three million or so European Jews avoid internment altogether, but the emigration of Jews continued throughout the war, generally by way of Hungary, Rumania and Turkey. Ironically, post-war Jewish emigration from German-occupied territories was also facilitated by the Reich...

http://www.rense.com/general69/factua.htm

many disregard the Red Cross Reports, but why should Red cross know anything, they held the German Archives the whole time it was hidden from the public, they organized and categorized, and recorded info on all deaths. it was released in 2006 to the public, but why has the archive been literally ignored by the Mass Media, or your "reliable" sources?

In truth finding many times silence holds the biggest secrets...

Could it be the few hundred thousand actually Killed by Germany is all there is to see?

it was a terrible war with over 60 Million deaths...

starved and worked to death is very different than gassed...

17 million died in imprisonment, most killed were firing squad style executions

[Flash]

she truly said that at Auswitch, the showers existed and they were gassed. THen whom am I to believe? I do not know the numbers, they there were a lot gassed at Auswitch.

[superconsciousness]

there is genocide enough RIGHT NOW. Earth eco-system is being cut up, burned, raped, corrupted at an astonishing rate.

If there is any lesson from one historical genocide to another, it is that we live now and we have free will and we can choose how we will view ourselves against history. Does it really matter if they were gassed or shot down like pigs to slaughter? What was the end game? What is it now? The stakes are not just the race or color or left shoe of a human, it is the extermination of the planet's ecosystem!

Whether it is for one agenda or many or just the result of an equation set up based on the premise that you must PAY to LIVE ON EARTH. And it's easier to do the wrong thing Right than the Right thing Wrong.

The violence is overwhelming. You are alone against great forces. The brute storms of duality. But as the transcendence of the trinity teaches us - here is the key to breaking the webs. The initiative gesture of one's utilization of Free Will has a beautiful ripple effect - especially when you connect to others to serve the common good. And that means many things, but clearly at a base level that requires clean air, water, earth and fire (energy). If we start there as our basic core values, the incentive is to profit from collaboration and peace. War and suffering hold value for a certain percentage of the populace, the fascist sociopathic psychopaths, the evil Aliens, demons, archons, etc.

I believe that the majority of people want peace and want to be "good/right action". It is the definition of "good/right action" that is at issue, a confusion of value complicated by the undulations of deconstruction and reconstruction of social mores and by the increasing isolation of individuals in society. We are a collective that knows how to do the wrong thing very well. But in order to survive, we must change and initiate and try to do the right things and respect mistakes as learning until we are doing it. What is the alternative?

[loungelizard]

Rocky Shorz

I assume you missed my reply to your post, so I'm putting it on again for you.

Thanks

Posted by loungelizard (here)
Me again, Rocky Shorz

You have quoted from the site biblebelievers and so I have read your source.

It states, "As the holocaust of six million Jews in World War I was eventually revised to zero…"

To which "holocaust of six million Jews in WW1" is this a reference?

A large number of Jews - along with many many other people - died in WWI. As far as I understand, that was not systematic genocide. I am not aware that it has even been referred to as a holocaust.

Unless it is a reference to Dan Gannon's fictitious claim that Martin Glynn spoke of this in a speech in 1919. If you're interested, I can post a link to the transcript of this speech - where there is no reference to "the extermination of 6 million Jews and the holocaust of European Jewry during the Great War" as alleged by Mr Gannon.

If so, it's another fabrication

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Your source also states
"…the Jewish magazine FORWARD, November 25, 2005 is continuing to revise downward the number of Jews claimed to have been exterminated in Auschwitz…"


I have been to the FORWARD magazine archives, and read through that edition, and there is no reference to this claim that I can find.

I have made an effort to check the veracity, and have been unable to do so. The ball is now in your court. Unless you can come up with this article in FORWARD, I'm afraid this is yet another piece of propaganda.

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Rocky, it's obvious that you have a genuine interest in trying to find out whatever truth you can in this lifetime - not an easy task, with all the side tracks and trails of breadcrumbs.

May I humbly suggest that you broaden your scope of reference. As you said above, there are propaganda machines out there and to assume that you're not plugged into one of them is a very dangerous state of mind.

For example, you used http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/ as your source. This is not to say that one shouldn't read sites like this as part of an investigation, but to refer only to sites with a similar bias will slant one's vision. You probably don't trust Wikipedia, but even if only part of this is true, it should ring alarm bells:

"Bible Believers is the website of the Bible Believers' Church of Sydney, New South Wales, Australia.
Because the website reprints antisemitic material such as The Protocols of the Elders of Zion and Henry Ford’s The International Jew,[1][2] and Holocaust denial material from authors such as Bradley Smith and Mark Weber, a complaint was lodged under Australia’s Racial Discrimination Act.[2][3][4][5] In 2007, Justice Richard Conti of the Federal Court of Australia ordered Anthony Grigor-Scott to remove from the website antisemitic claims that Jews deliberately exaggerated the number of Jews killed during World War II.[3][6]
Bible Believers were described as "[o]ne of the most visible of the plethora of eccentric pseudo-Christian groups in Australia" and "extremist" by the Australia/Israel & Jewish Affairs Council (AIJAC) in their 2008 report on antisemitism in Australia.[7]"