A major new interview with a Project Avalon Whistleblower (Questions for GoodETxSG)

[Shadowself]

As a newcomer here I'd like to say thank you to Bill, Christine and the member who so graciously shared. While listening to it one can interpret the deep desire to share from the heart and reveal from within. That is what I detected the most. Sometimes the heart speaks louder than the words. I heard this.

While many can share similar experience I would say few have had the courage to express the full nature of such awareness that would allow him to analyze the deeper meanings and express in so many words the nature of the subjects brought out in the interview...I tip my hat Avalon Member for approaching reason with Bill and Christine.

[crosby]

This interview is so excellent that i cannot find the proper words to describe. I can say this with clarity after listening to it: doors are opening up and more and more information is coming through. thank you anonymous for your dedication to yourself and to this forum. i am very intrigued about the 'spiders' and the peripheral vision sightings - as i have had this experience. i was always under the thought that it was evil (entities) but now i'm not so sure. i am hoping that another interview will follow and add some more information to this aspect. thank you, thank you, thank you!
warmest,
crosby

[AuCo]

Thanks Bill, Christine, Mr. Anonymous!

Great interview. The casual setting didn't seem to bother me one bit. Hope that there's more to come.

One observation in my part. I have heard and still believe the Earth is a priced jewel in at least this sector of the universe. Why would the [many] so-called break-away civilization(s) drop this gem and went looking for another rock. It sounded more like they were forced to let go [and not to return], times and again. What fear?

[Nick Matkin]

Posted by Atlas (here)

Posted by ghostrider (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

[...] there could have been space-faring Breakaway Civilizations before ours. I know there was advanced, lost technology (some of which we still don't understand at all, like how the 1000 ton stones were moved at Baalbek). But look at it this way:

Just 400 years ago we had fairly basic metal tools, cottage industry, simple printing presses, wooden ships... and that's about all. We were still 200 years away from the steam engine.

And now look.

Take that 400 year bracket of history — a really brief period — in which invention and technology has accelerated till it's now almost vertical.

How many times could that EXACT SAME THING have happened in the last 100,000 years? Even WITHOUT help from friendly (or careless) ETs?

exactly Bill , some of the information I've read , says humans on earth for 22 million years , advance , go into space , make war , return , make war , a mass extinction/exodus , then a break in chaos , then the whole thing starts over again , and again for 22 million years now ... maybe the ancients tried to hide high technology from us , knowing the end result is always extinction rather than evolution ??? they say we have risen and fallen six times in the past , this time they say is the last before we finally evolve to make peace rather than war ...

It makes perfect sense that we had all the time and intelligence required to make several attempts at building a sustainable civilisation during the last 200.000 years or so. If we ever succeeded, then where are the buried cities, rusted tools, huge pieces of machinery, and other billion things left behind by the previous ones ?

Probably deep underground or underwater somewhere ? All we found so far are a couple of stones so to speak (Baalbek, the Pyramids, etc.), there is not much testimony of our distant past so what happened to all these previous civilisations ? Did they simply vanish ?

Maybe the ancients were so different from us that they did not need all these things that we would be supposed to find buried under our feet or it can even be that they came from another planet ?

So many questions, and yet very few answers.

I think Atlas has a very good point. Soft organic materials can be preserved as fossils for millions of years. Surely artificial 'hard stuff' would last as least as long under the right circumstances.

I've seen the documentary Bill mentioned. But even after millions of years, there will still be 'fossilised' plastics, glass, ceramics, many metal bits of machinery (I doubt it will all have corroded away completely), deformed foundations of buildings in the rock strata and fragments of underground tunnels, cables, pipes, etc.

If convincing remnants of a past advanced civilisation do exist (maybe not world wide as we are now, but perhaps in deep undiscovered caves), we should ask exactly where to look. Can we ask them please?

Nick

[Verdilac]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Verdilac (here)

if you take ET AI and what comes with it at face value,its changing the planet, why? for what reason,is it a positive reason?

That's another great question.

If the Breakaway Civilization technocracy is really worried about the ET Artificial Intelligence that's been 'seeded' here — and let's go with that idea for a moment, because this was one of the REALLY startling new ideas that this conversation left us to consider — just maybe the ETs seeding the AI are the white hats in this drama?

If you consider the historical/mythical Trojan Horse, 3250 years ago... whether it was a good thing or not depended on what side you were on.

Running with that, here's a thought,a short one but a thought, what if this is a trial run for some that may be about to happen in another location,and that maybe model for how something is done,
also if you listen to the interview/conversation with the mention of the crystal type objects and the ability to communicate with them,does this mean they must be communicated with to be included in the process, and do they control something very important?, and if so,what?

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Shadowself (here)

As a newcomer here I'd like to say thank you to Bill, Christine and the member who so graciously shared. While listening to it one can interpret the deep desire to share from the heart and reveal from within. That is what I detected the most. Sometimes the heart speaks louder than the words. I heard this.

While many can share similar experience I would say few have had the courage to express the full nature of such awareness that would allow him to analyze the deeper meanings and express in so many words the nature of the subjects brought out in the interview...I tip my hat Avalon Member for approaching reason with Bill and Christine.

Thank you so much! And you're absolutely right about sharing from the heart. The informal setting captured this totally.

Interviewing is a delicate, fine art. Christine did a huge amount to put our friend at ease. Often, it's not what you do, but what you DON'T do. Firing questions at someone is not always the way to go.

My own style has also always been just to chill out and chat. In all the interviews I've ever done, I never had an 'objective'... it's just to create a space in which whoever we're talking to can safely say whatever they feel comfortable with. Christine has that gift, too.

Posted by crosby (here)

This interview is so excellent that i cannot find the proper words to describe. I can say this with clarity after listening to it: doors are opening up and more and more information is coming through. thank you anonymous for your dedication to yourself and to this forum. i am very intrigued about the 'spiders' and the peripheral vision sightings - as i have had this experience. i was always under the thought that it was evil (entities) but now i'm not so sure. i am hoping that another interview will follow and add some more information to this aspect. thank you, thank you, thank you!
warmest,
crosby

Thank you, too!

The 'spiders' thing is fascinating. I've had that experience as well… seeing shadows moving around out of the corner of my eye which I KNEW were not my imagination, or a trick of low light. I even made jokes at the time about having a 'ghost mouse' in the house.

And yes, we would very much like another interview to follow. This information is just the tip of an enormous iceberg.

Posted by AuCo (here)

Thanks Bill, Christine, Mr. Anonymous!

Great interview. The casual setting didn't seem to bother me one bit. Hope that there's more to come.

One observation in my part. I have heard and still believe the Earth is a priced jewel in at least this sector of the universe. Why would the [many] so-called break-away civilization(s) drop this gem and went looking for another rock. It sounded more like they were forced to let go [and not to return], times and again. What fear?

That's interesting. Yes, this planet is a real jewel. I'd not want to leave, either! But we don't know what we don't know… this is always the problem.

Posted by Nick Matkin (here)

I think Atlas has a very good point. Soft organic materials can be preserved as fossils for millions of years. Surely artificial 'hard stuff' would last as least as long under the right circumstances.

I've seen the documentary Bill mentioned. But even after millions of years, there will still be 'fossilised' plastics, glass, ceramics, many metal bits of machinery (I doubt it will all have corroded away completely), deformed foundations of buildings in the rock strata and fragments of underground tunnels, cables, pipes, etc.

If convincing remnants of a past advanced civilisation do exist (maybe not world wide as we are now, but perhaps in deep undiscovered caves), we should ask exactly where to look. Can we ask them please?

Nick

Of interest: both Dan Burisch and Jake Simpson told us that when digging/melting their tunnels (with their nuclear-powered boring machines, that can travel at 25 miles a day deep underground), they had several times broken into large, existing underground spaces that contained abandoned ancient high-tech machinery.

[Limor Wolf]

I have plenty of respect and deep appreciation for the anonymous Avalon whistleblower , with the understanding of what it holds to put yourself out there, and how much more convoluted is the way than any words or external impressions can convey. THANK YOU deeply for your courage to go with it. this is most valuable interview to all of us. The point of anonymity may not be understood by all (and thank goodness for that!) - but this is not a lip service, there's definitely might be life on the line and many considerations around it. It's an incredible step forward that you made, and I wish you to be safe, healthy and protected. Also big thanks to Christine for providing her warm presence and skills for this conversation to take place and to Bill for opening this door and holding it wide with the knowledge that there is something in here that is quite essential to explore at this time, so we can fill our gaps on the on-goings behind the scenes. The quest for truth is alive and well with these people!

Thank you,
Limor

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Verdilac (here)

if you take ET AI and what comes with it at face value,its changing the planet, why? for what reason,is it a positive reason?

That's another great question.

If the Breakaway Civilization technocracy is really worried about the ET Artificial Intelligence that's been 'seeded' here — and let's go with that idea for a moment, because this was one of the REALLY startling new ideas that this conversation left us to consider — just maybe the ETs seeding the AI are the white hats in this drama?

If you consider the historical/mythical Trojan Horse, 3250 years ago... whether it was a good thing or not depended on what side you were on.

Just on record here: I was contacted by our friend overnight to clarify that the Trojan Horse AI was NOT a good thing.

This was not fully evident (at least, to me) in the interview... just that the black ops/ intel/ Breakaway Civilization guys were themselves very anxious about it.

Clearly, this is one of the many important follow-up topics to enlarge on and explore. Please do continue to table all your own questions here.

[Limor Wolf]

Posted by ghostrider (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

For me, it was more than fascinating. There were two major chunks of information that were new for me:

1. The threat posed by artificial intelligence ET infiltration, and that some of the UFO crashes were 'Trojan Horses'.
2. The idea that SOME of the Grays are human-military controlled 'Avatars' (just as in James Cameron's movie).

Make that three... this was really thought-provoking for me:

3. That there could have been space-faring Breakaway Civilizations before ours. I know there was advanced, lost technology (some of which we still don't understand at all, like how the 1000 ton stones were moved at Baalbek). But look at it this way:

Just 400 years ago we had fairly basic metal tools, cottage industry, simple printing presses, wooden ships... and that's about all. We were still 200 years away from the steam engine.

And now look.

Take that 400 year bracket of history — a really brief period — in which invention and technology has accelerated till it's now almost vertical.

How many times could that EXACT SAME THING have happened in the last 100,000 years? Even WITHOUT help from friendly (or careless) ETs? :)

exactly Bill , some of the information I've read , says humans on earth for 22 million years , advance , go into space , make war , return , make war , a mass extinction/exodus , then a break in chaos , then the whole thing starts over again , and again for 22 million years now ... maybe the ancients tried to hide high technology from us , knowing the end result is always extinction rather than evolution ??? they say we have risen and fallen six times in the past , this time they say is the last before we finally evolve to make peace rather than war ...

a little bit of stretch here, If time is a loop of space and matter (as some theories claim) which is structured especially for this earth/solar system experience, but where everything literally exists and available at the same time, and if the 3D earth and 3/4D galaxy ET'S with their various machinations who seem to greatly enjoy playing with this structure (of time), to bend it and cause mayhem, then, it might not be such a surprise or any problem to throw here and there some traces of 'advanced technology'.. if all is not linear.. then everything can be implanted.

Since we don't yet take any consideration ( understandably so, there's no proof, no scientific back up or knowledge, and nothing to lean on) that it all plays itself at the same time and that reality with all it's realms an dimensions is a unified and integral construct, then we look for linear explanations. If this factor will ever emerge as a serious contemplation in our discussions (and what are the ET's knowledge on that?) then it may bring some new comprehensions to the table that bypass our linear human history stereotypical thought process. but that may be yet far in the future :) (pun intended)

So, who knows, maybe everything happens only once with many versions (such are timelines, which we do talk about)

Or, in a more linear fashion,

Someone over there likes to play with their doll house too much

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Verdilac (here)

if you take ET AI and what comes with it at face value,its changing the planet, why? for what reason,is it a positive reason?

That's another great question.

If the Breakaway Civilization technocracy is really worried about the ET Artificial Intelligence that's been 'seeded' here — and let's go with that idea for a moment, because this was one of the REALLY startling new ideas that this conversation left us to consider — just maybe the ETs seeding the AI are the white hats in this drama?

If you consider the historical/mythical Trojan Horse, 3250 years ago... whether it was a good thing or not depended on what side you were on. :)

My first reaction came with an inner slight objection, is that really a possibility in foresight, the risks involved etc.? on second thought and from personal observance, it can be.. as Bill suggested, it may depend on the side you are on, go repair a messed out playground directed towards demolition with a clay and mud to cover.. and this may be a one ET approach, but for all intents and purposes it makes a lot more sense that the implementation of AI goes hand in hand with the NWO agenda and with the technologies being provided by hostile hands. Sides are the ultimate illusion and if this hypothesis happened to be true, then the white hats ET's are a lot more off- white than snow white.

I feel that Kryztian and Calista's comments below reflect the bottom line

Originally posted by Kryztian: "The idea that our environment, which is becoming more and more technologically controlled, could be hacked by unwanted AI viruses placed here by an off world civilization is startling"

Originally posted by Calista : "the Human Being is more than an energy or information source or a petri dish. And this must be respected. Choice for all must be respected."

[Operator]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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Just on record here: I was contacted by our friend overnight to clarify that the Trojan Horse AI was NOT a good thing.

This was not fully evident (at least, to me) in the interview... just that the black ops/ intel/ Breakaway Civilization guys were themselves very anxious about it.

Clearly, this is one of the many important follow-up topics to enlarge on and explore. Please do continue to table all your own questions here.

Although I did understand that I am now wondering in which way it is a bad thing ...

1. Bad to humanity in general or
2. wrench in the wheel of keeping their operations covered up ?
3. or perhaps even another reason ...

[Shadowself]

AI is NOT a good thing if it's Unfriendly. I shared this somewhere else here. But since it's been brought up:

Artificial Intelligence as a Positive and
Negative Factor in Global Risk

A paper written on AI back in 2008:

https://intelligence.org/files/AIPosNegFactor.pdf

The paper leads to a conclusion by the author. But it's overall a pretty compelling paper non the less.

Bottom line. IF you can create "friendly AI" you can also create "unfriendly AI". Which the paper eludes to. This is what needs to be worried about with Trojan Horse AI.

It seems hard to imagine (unfriendly AI) as it's own self awareness...but an advanced intelligence that creates it may not be so easily dismissed as sensible enough to escape the actuality of senseless abuse. The term malevolent comes to mind.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

IF you can create "friendly AI" you can also create "unfriendly AI".

Friendly people in survival mode can be just as bad and nasty as the unfriendly ones, why would this be any different in AI, pragmatic horses are transportation too eh.

[Operator]

I stopped thinking in terms of good and bad. Better to consider agendas ... sometimes other peoples'/beings'
agendas work for you and sometimes against you.

So could 'Not good' from the perception of 'black ops/ intel/ Breakaway Civilization' work positively for us ?

I am afraid it's not but that is the precise question.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Shadowself (here)
AI is NOT a good thing if it's Unfriendly. I shared this somewhere else here. But since it's been brought up:

Artificial Intelligence as a Positive and
Negative Factor in Global Risk

A paper written on AI back in 2008:

https://intelligence.org/files/AIPosNegFactor.pdf

The paper leads to a conclusion by the author. But it's overall a pretty compelling paper non the less.

Bottom line. IF you can create "friendly AI" you can also create "unfriendly AI". Which the paper eludes to. This is what needs to be worried about with Trojan Horse AI.

It seems hard to imagine (unfriendly AI) as it's own self awareness...but an advanced intelligence that creates it may not be so easily dismissed as sensible enough to escape the actuality of senseless abuse. The term malevolent comes to mind.

Yes....

*DO* please find a moment to read this...!
http://projectcamelot.org/jake_simpson.html

[darren]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by crosby (here)

This interview is so excellent that i cannot find the proper words to describe. I can say this with clarity after listening to it: doors are opening up and more and more information is coming through. thank you anonymous for your dedication to yourself and to this forum. i am very intrigued about the 'spiders' and the peripheral vision sightings - as i have had this experience. i was always under the thought that it was evil (entities) but now i'm not so sure. i am hoping that another interview will follow and add some more information to this aspect. thank you, thank you, thank you!
warmest,
crosby

Thank you, too!

The 'spiders' thing is fascinating. I've had that experience as well… seeing shadows moving around out of the corner of my eye which I KNEW were not my imagination, or a trick of low light. I even made jokes at the time about having a 'ghost mouse' in the house.

And yes, we would very much like another interview to follow. This information is just the tip of an enormous iceberg.

Pardon my French but holy ****!!!! I was listening to the conversation last night,well it was on in the background as i was multi tasking.Yes i'm a man and it can be done Anyway at the mention of the spider thing,it stopped me in my tracks!

Literally a couple of weeks ago,i thought i'd seen what looked like a spider/insect leg just crawl behind a box to the side of the room! The thing that was strange (if that's not strang enough) was that it was about 6-8inches long! Was anyone else's of a similiar size.

I have just logged in to listen again,a bit more closely this time but thought i'd check the thread first and seen these posts!

I knew i had seen something but was unsure what exactly! I think we need to figure what is going on here and for what purpose!

I can't help but think though posting this,is in someway 'helping' whatever it is causing it!

Peace.

[chocolate]

I have to say I speed-listened to the whole interview

I can share several comments/notes.
( or did you all think I am the rebellious one, who never pays attention... )

Firstly, yes, the person seems to be quite genuine and willing to share his experience, which seems quite subjective (though). A bit like sharing a life of dreams and altered state of consciousness. It is usually hard to distinguish between what is real and what is a dream manipulation/consciousness manipulation, so having said all of that I would be careful at believing too much of what has been shared.

Another thing that stuck with me is that everything here is presented from a very material hard-stuff perspective, dealing with a malleable world construct. Even if not many still can understand and appreciate the way this world functions, not being able to see the subtle worlds doesn't make them any less real than what we can physically see and touch, so for an interview and information of importance that seems to be almost not existent ( the subtle energetic POV).

All the information presented here spoke to me on one level that is in-between this reality and another reality distanced in time, but not in space. Simply put, I understood it as a warning that creating and relying on artificial intelligence as a tool to explore the world and existence is not only dangerous, but also crude, unnecessary and overall deficient and destructive.
If one can compare sticking needles in one's brain to developing ones innate natural abilities of all the body structures ( understand here developing psychic abilities ), one can compare in pretty much the same way using non-natural intelligence to the same psychic abilities.

Justone made a thread about the 'right hand path' and the 'left hand path', so I suggest to those who care to look into the meaning of those two paths, and the middle one, or some call it the winding path.
It seems to me we are dealing with exactly this situation right here, right now --
do we need to choose the right hand side- developing technology based on the materialistic understanding of life,
or the left hand side - totally relying on the subjective worlds for the future development/betterment of mankind,
when both seem to be lacking in their respective areas.
And there comes the path in the middle where we can use our natural abilities, our psychic technology that we already have 'sleeping' inside, into developing technology and intelligence in sync with the natural laws governing the PRESERVATION of life in this Earhy existence.

I am always a bit disappointed when we all try to ... well, to communicate about all those complex matters from what is life to what is love, and we just fail at explaining some basic concepts.

Do we really need to 'reinvent' the wheel was the question that remained with me throughout.
And yes, apparently we do, judging by all the attention we have put in the area of 'Extra-' (terrestrial, technological, etc.)
How then will we find the time and energy to concentrate on what matters?

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Now I hope I will not get another one of those dreams when I am asked the question why I always need to tell the truth.

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This was a great interview from the perspective of getting to know the anonymous person a bit. The rest I leave to everyone's discernment.

[Sidney]

Hello, and thank you for this wonderful and informative discussion. I was wondering, how the switch to digital HD television ties into the AI loop (if at all)?

And also , to go along with what Fellow Aspirant was inquiring regarding the nano/spraying,what are the chances, that the AI has taken on a life of its own, and has created/co-created the entire geoengineering program, and nothing or nobody is able to stop it. Or perhaps, the morgellons fiber is actually some form of virus, created to foul up the AI programming. Oh, And the white fuzzy stuff that falls all over during certain spray campaigns, it dissolves into your skin if you touch it, is there another connected dot there?

I have listened twice so far, and this information really is so intriguing, that it is difficult to wrap my head around it all. So many light bulbs go on, with regards to the AI component to crafts and creatures/avatars and telepathy. Thank you so much again. Another installment would be great someday, as I am sure many are on the edge of their seat waiting for more.

[donk]

I’m wondering: given the “high level” of “intel” this is…are we to take everything anonymous says as actual factual information, or can we expect the “Gordon Duff” necessary injection of disinformation where we are expected to “discern” the truth?

...or is his respected "anonymity" enough to protect him from the consequences of releasing this information?

[darren]

Posted by donk (here)
I’m wondering: given the “high level” of “intel” this is…are we to take everything anonymous says as actual factual information, or can we expect the “Gordon Duff” necessary injection of disinformation where we are expected to “discern” the truth?

...or is his respected "anonymity" enough to protect him from the consequences of releasing this information?

Well i'm not taking what he has said as actual factual info! I'm using it as a sort of compass to my own understanding and experiences,as i do with all info i hear! I cannot confirm for certain alot of what people say really.Unless of course i've had direct experience and even then,i tell my self have i truly understood! I still don't fully understand myself yet!

[Limor Wolf]

Posted by donk (here)
I’m wondering: given the “high level” of “intel” this is…are we to take everything anonymous says as actual factual information, or can we expect the “Gordon Duff” necessary injection of disinformation where we are expected to “discern” the truth?

...or is his respected "anonymity" enough to protect him from the consequences of releasing this information?

What do you feel is the part of your judgement and discernment when listening to any material, Donk? does it matter what one will tell you if this or that?

A free man should exercise their freedom of mind, thought and judgement, anytime day or night

Don't hesitate to go for it!