Prosecuting Blair

[john.d]

Just got this article off Icke's site :

http://uruknet.info/?p=m70500&hd=&size=1&l=e

Worth a read , im so glad that people are trying to bring this criminal to justice . I really hope it happens as it could be a turning point for us

John

[Ki's]

I'd like to see Bush tried for war crimes.

[Luke]

Some questions:
Why use system to punish system creatures?
Would Blair and Bush did what they did on their own OR they used preexisting system of power to obtain their goals?
Are Bush and Blair provocateurs or puppets?
Would sacrificing them change anything in large scheme of things?
Would sacrificing them change behaviour of current and future puppets? would that change the system?

I see a case of monster eating it's children. Should we cheer to that or address existence of monster itself?

[John Parslow]

A very hard road to pursue - all these high profile criminals seem to have their tracks well-covered. Lot's of palm-greasing over the years with friends in high places my one huge regret is that I amongst others am culpable of voting this monster into power. When the world turns in the right direction, hopefully he and his kind, the Bush family included will all be brought to justice for their crimes against humanity. The world does not need people like this on board.

Love and peace to all. JP

[Steven]

One thing for sure is that when impunity is perpetrated, the corrupted system meets no real obstruction and keeps on going. It also demoralizes, frustrates and creates fatalism to the people suffering from this system of crime. I saw it at smaller scale when I worked for human rights in the amazonas jungle.

On the other hand, I agree with Luke. These criminals are part of a larger scheme. And the whole scheme participants needs to be unveiled. But you have to begin somewhere, with what you have in hand that is solid enough to go to court. The Justice system isn't good or bad. It is how we use it that corrupt it or honor it. The corruption comes with offers of money, powers, privileges or threat. Who would be the judge and the jury who will want to face these guys in court? Are we ready as a race? Because it ask for a tremendous union. I think we are more than we think

Namaste, Steven

[Fredkc]

Some questions:
Why use system to punish system creatures?
Sorry, can't answer for the UK.
But...
For the US is happens to be a vital issue. There is a "pre-existing system" (available here). It's true value long forgotten, through lack of use. Said system was established in the form of an agreement between a sovereign entity and a "created" subordinate.

200 years of mis-education later, both the sovereign and its creation believe the creation is the creator, and therefore created the people. Here in the US we have an acronym for this, it's known as FUBAR... "F****d Up Beyond All Recognition".

This 'agreement' when properly understood is not a framework which defines 'the people; but clearly specifies, and limits the powers of the thing created - the government. Such is it's power, however neglected.

While I will admit this agreement has flaws (2 that I have found), it is still the most perfect system ever established whereby a sovereign people establish a system, and employs that mechanism for getting 'collective goals' accomplished, while still retaining its sovereignty.

This last bit is important. The entire US government, for all it's trappings is in fact not a sovereign entity! It is a creation of a sovereign people and exists completely at its leisure. This system however is not idiot proof, as T. Jefferson said. Here lies one of its two flaws:

For the US government to work as intended, it requires an educated people, intent on keeping their own sovereignty. And it requires they elect something of which we currently appear to be in short supply; Men of good will!

There lies the true nature of the existing system. What we lack is both the people's awareness, and willingness to use it.

Any notions that we have somehow been 'duped' or swindled into some form of subservience to a foreign power, or some cabal which has supplanted this system is pure fantasy! The agreement still exists, and still in force. What is lacking is the people's knowledge of it, and the will to use it. (And yes, here I will admit that, if they are unwilling to use it, then it might as well be dead. But that is not chiseled in stone, while the agreement is)

Within that agreement, what has been done by the likes of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, et al, is clearly labeled as treason. The system provides for dealing with this kind of thing, what is lacking is the people's will within and without the system.

To be clear, the existing political hierarchy, in the US, will never prosecute these people. Reason? Both the Republican, and Democrat parties are compromised. No one who is a member or either party will ever take action because, truth be known, members of both parties were accomplices with full knowledge in these acts.

Would Blair and Bush did what they did on their own OR they used preexisting system of power to obtain their goals?
See rant above.
There can be no pre-existing system which has standing.

Are Bush and Blair provocateurs or puppets?
Matter not.
Bound within the Constitution, for instance is the use of the term "high crimes and misdemeanors". This is not some piece of poetry. It is a term clearly defined within old English Common Law. What it is is "Acting under colour of authority to subvert justice."

Both parties are clearly guilty of this during their terms of office.

Would sacrificing them change anything in large scheme of things?
For the US, a lot! It also requires a lot.
It would require the people realize, understand, and enforce their sovereign power, and duty, and stop the mechanism which protects these louts, and bring them to justice.

Understand that this would be an act of such bold faith that, as things stand, I don't think we are capable of doing. This is the heart of my personal conclusion that, unless done, this nation, having become what was never intended, it will soon fall. And I really hate that.

I did not come to this conclusion lightly. I have written about this stuff for over 15 years, and when I stop and count, I can say I have only managed to convince 5 or 6 people of all this. Such is the depth of people's illusion/confusion, sadly.

Would sacrificing them change behaviour of current and future puppets? would that change the system?
Achieved within the framework above, I would say yes.

I see a case of monster eating it's children. Should we cheer to that or address existence of monster itself?
Personally, I see it as the monster eating its creator, and since in this case, the creator is mortal (me'n thee) little reason to cheer.

Anyway... I need more coffee,
Fred

[Carmody]

Yeah, Fred. "That's the way it is". As Walter Cronkite said in the opening 10 minutes of the documentary 'The American ruling Class', and I paraphrase has he could not say it directly, but he came perilously close "We need more white hats infiltrating the Oligarchy of America in order to tear it down from the inside". The larger conclusion of the documentary was that infiltration and internal disruption or revolution were the two options and nothing else was likely to work. The reality in the aftermath with regard to writing the history of the actions in such situations..is that it is usually a combination of both.

Then the problem of revolution is that in the Case of the French, it was the Freemasons who created it, directed it, ran it and ran France afterward. They then gave the US the Statue of Liberty so The American group could clandestinely announce their dominion of the USA public- to the US public- in a way that was not seen by the public. Reverse symbolism. At the least, this is one view that fits the observed actions-results to a factual(ish) trail.

Beware the infiltration of your given ideals and groups. This is the history of revolution and 'change'. Stalin tried to deal with it by constantly and continuously (like a treadmill of execution of emergent confidants) killing anyone that became close to him for more than a few years.

[Fredkc]

Hi Carmody;
I am also very leery of the notion of a "revolution".

I always speak in terms of a "revival" instead. The reason is simple. A revolution carries with it a dangerous tendency to throw the baby out with the bathwater. In the case of the US, I believe that the system is sound, it's the mechanics which have over-run it. That is where the corruption lies.

The next big hesitation re. revolution comes here:
Our current situation, whether we'll use it or not, is that of a free, sovereign people. Something which exists almost nowhere else on earth!
Why would we "over throw" that?
Who in today's political system would you trust to "re-write" that into any new agreement?
If, like me, you answer, "No one!" then, why would we do it?
Too many "eager hands" await the chance to 'fix' what ain't broken.
Fred

[Zook]

Hi Steve,

Posted by Steven (here)
One thing for sure is that when impunity is perpetrated, the corrupted system meets no real obstruction and keeps on going. It also demoralizes, frustrates and creates fatalism to the people suffering from this system of crime. I saw it at smaller scale when I worked for human rights in the amazonas jungle.

On the other hand, I agree with Luke. These criminals are part of a larger scheme. And the whole scheme participants needs to be unveiled. But you have to begin somewhere, with what you have in hand that is solid enough to go to court. The Justice system isn't good or bad. It is how we use it that corrupt it or honor it. The corruption comes with offers of money, powers, privileges or threat. Who would be the judge and the jury who will want to face these guys in court? Are we ready as a race? Because it ask for a tremendous union. I think we are more than we think

Namaste, Steven

Back in 1789, there was a storming of the prison of the body. Picks and shovels, and eventually sympathetic soldiers turned the oppression around - at least momentarily - before the sympathetic soldiers became the new oppressors in Napoleon's army. Robespierre probably didn't know he was being used by the banksters as later Hitler and Saddam were in the 20th century, both of whom served the banksters before being executed themselves.

To be sure, physical Bastilles exist today. But they are largely storm-proof. I think we, as a species, have evolved to the point where picks and shovels (or their modern equivalents) are no longer a match for the state's weaponry, even with sympathetic soldiers assisting the awakened sheeplage. That being said, the most dangerous Bastilles today are not prisons of the body, but prisons of the mind. These mind prisons are not located in specific areas, but in each household that has a television set. Round the clock occlusion with Britney Spears, American Idol, pro sports, reality TV, fake news, Viagra commercials, etc. ... limit the range of the mind.

So why don't we storm the broadcast centers, you may rightfully ask? Aren't they the source of the occlusion? Yes, but the methodology of physical storming by slaves went out with the accrued deficit in the slaves' physical weaponry. Prisons of mind require a different approach from prisons of body. As weapons of body once defeated prisons of body when such weapons were a match for the state (e.g. 1789); we now need weapons of mind that can match the state's weapons of mind and defeat the state-sponsored prisons of mind.

In this perspective, the old centralized Bastille of the body has mutated into millions of modern decentralized Bastilles of the mind. But here's the good news ... we are already nonphysically storming it!

Alternative media, the people's media ... has largely overrun state-sponsored imprisonment of the mind. We have a ways to go yet. But we are winning, make no mistake about it. Keep the momentum forward! Don't stop to look at fear. The brave shall charge the valley of death before the valley of death charges them, and of these shall see the other side. The weak shall always have their head buried deeper than the rest of their body.

[Carmody]

Yes, the standard case of as above, so below. As without, so within. As to the right, so to the left. And everytin' be everytin'. Scaling theory on the outside is the scaling theory of the inside.

We watch the scope of the shape-system of 'man' pass through the layers of individual human growth. The animal to the emotional to the monkey to the man to universal truths and engagement. And the prison evolves in tune, tempo, dance and shape..with it. Like an unwanted deep-hugging dance partner.

[Rimbaud]

Posted by John Parslow (here)
A very hard road to pursue - all these high profile criminals seem to have their tracks well-covered. Lot's of palm-greasing over the years with friends in high places my one huge regret is that I amongst others am culpable of voting this monster into power. When the world turns in the right direction, hopefully he and his kind, the Bush family included will all be brought to justice for their crimes against humanity. The world does not need people like this on board.

Love and peace to all. JP

What a ****ing mistake he was!...I hoped for Universal change and a change in Govt that would make our hairs stand on end..All we ended up with Blair was yet another sodding Nazi!

Rimbaud

[Rimbaud]

Posted by zookumar (here)
Hi Steve,



Back in 1789, there was a storming of the prison of the body. Picks and shovels, and eventually sympathetic soldiers turned the oppression around - at least momentarily - before the sympathetic soldiers became the new oppressors in Napoleon's army. Robespierre probably didn't know he was being used by the banksters as later Hitler and Saddam were in the 20th century, both of whom served the banksters before being executed themselves.

To be sure, physical Bastilles exist today. But they are largely storm-proof. I think we, as a species, have evolved to the point where picks and shovels (or their modern equivalents) are no longer a match for the state's weaponry, even with sympathetic soldiers assisting the awakened sheeplage. That being said, the most dangerous Bastilles today are not prisons of the body, but prisons of the mind. These mind prisons are not located in specific areas, but in each household that has a television set. Round the clock occlusion with Britney Spears, American Idol, pro sports, reality TV, fake news, Viagra commercials, etc. ... limit the range of the mind.

So why don't we storm the broadcast centers, you may rightfully ask? Aren't they the source of the occlusion? Yes, but the methodology of physical storming by slaves went out with the accrued deficit in the slaves' physical weaponry. Prisons of mind require a different approach from prisons of body. As weapons of body once defeated prisons of body when such weapons were a match for the state (e.g. 1789); we now need weapons of mind that can match the state's weapons of mind and defeat the state-sponsored prisons of mind.

In this perspective, the old centralized Bastille of the body has mutated into millions of modern decentralized Bastilles of the mind. But here's the good news ... we are already nonphysically storming it!

Alternative media, the people's media ... has largely overrun state-sponsored imprisonment of the mind. We have a ways to go yet. But we are winning, make no mistake about it. Keep the momentum forward! Don't stop to look at fear. The brave shall charge the valley of death before the valley of death charges them, and of these shall see the other side. The weak shall always have their head buried deeper than the rest of their body.

Sorry friend..can we start again? I am no intellectual as you can tell, However you have issues that I want to debate further. I never meant to sound aggressive towards you, but ended up doing so. I particularly would like to discuss the Macedonian impact within Greek History an that I have possibly seen some scrolls that came out of the Ptolomaic library. Sorry for my rotten English..I am deeply dyslexic

Rimbaud

[Zook]

Hi Carmody,

Posted by Carmody (here)
Yes, the standard case of as above, so below. As without, so within. As to the right, so to the left. And everytin' be everytin'. Scaling theory on the outside is the scaling theory of the inside.

We watch the scope of the shape-system of 'man' pass through the layers of individual human growth. The animal to the emotional to the monkey to the man to universal truths and engagement. And the prison evolves in tune, tempo, dance and shape..with it. Like an unwanted deep-hugging dance partner.

I like the way you think. Abstract but reachable. I'm an amateur fractal enthusiast. A Mandelbrot man, as it were. Ever read Nassim Haramein's theories? As above, so below. Expansion; compression. Fractals, baby!
Nothing else comes even remotely close to mapping the known Universe, IMHO. And of course, their modest cousins, Scales!

[Zook]

Bonjour Rimbaud,

Posted by Rimbaud (here)
Sorry friend..can we start again? I am no intellectual as you can tell, However you have issues that I want to debate further. I never meant to sound aggressive towards you, but ended up doing so. I particularly would like to discuss the Macedonian impact within Greek History an that I have possibly seen some scrolls that came out of the Ptolomaic library. Sorry for my rotten English..I am deeply dyslexic

Rimbaud

We're already on the new journey.

We're all intellectuals when we think; and instinctuals when we feel. I'd be glad to follow your lead on Macedonia/Greece. Myself, I'm relatively ignorant of the regional history. Though I suppose I can research it if required. But hey, I'm sure there are many here on PA that have the knowledge to help us out if we start chewing up Grecian history.

Fire away. What exactly do you want to discuss about Macedonia/Greece?

I don't think your English is rotten. I've no trouble understanding it.

[Zook]

Bonjour Rimbaud,

[...]I particularly would like to discuss the Macedonian impact within Greek History an that I have possibly seen some scrolls that came out of the Ptolomaic library. Sorry for my rotten English..I am deeply dyslexic
Rimbaud

I've done a little reading (from the Macedonian perspective) and recognize a few similarities with what is happening in the Levant. It appears that the Greeks have tried/are trying to ethnically cleanse the large Macedonian population in their northern territory (which, fwiw, used to be part of ancient Macedonia). I hope that's a good starting point for what you would like to discuss. Looking forward to hear from you.

[hyundisonata]

And who will prosecute Blair, you, me. Doubt it. Sad truth is we are nobody’s that gave them power by playing their game. And their game has only one master. Blair is protected up to the hilt. Why do you think he converted to catholic? Nope not because he believed the faith. He had to be catholic to be admitted to the knights of Malta. Yip he has the protection of the Jesuits. The old black pope has given him his blessing. Ok I do not believe in the mumbo jumbo of such religion but that is irrelevant as others do. I know that such as Satan do not exist. But the word and the illusion do exist and are used as control factors against you. The only way to stop them is by not playing their game. Jesus said it all in the comment. Turn the other cheek. Do you really believe that what they offer is true happiness? The entrapment of such as luxury living. Will you cease to exist if you do not have a color TV or mobile phone or any other luxury. Happiness is free. Costs nothing but your consent. Do you have to pay your loved one before kissing them, do you need to pay your child for a hug .nope it’s free. Open your eyes and heart to true happiness and turn your back on the true devil as he is only a man.
http://www.meguiar.addr.com/black_pope.htm
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/jesuits.htm#Knights
A couple of interesting links into what protects Blair and others like him.