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    Default Brainscans and prisoners: Outing the sociopaths and the domino effect

    Just had a thought.

    The prisons systems of the world, could move from imprisonment, to actual rehabilitation.

    To brain-scan every entry, and then place them in designated areas, according to their wiring type. To separate the true sociopath, from the rest of the prison population.

    The rest of the population will immediately settle down and then one can move toward actual and real rehabilitation of those who can be rehabilitated.

    Right now, the mess is so bad, in most prisons and most countries, that the sociopaths, the true ones, are so bad, that they end up creating a permanent mess inside of those prisons.

    With the brain-scanning and proper placement, the ability to reduce the prison population will be able to emerge from said mess. And that the true group who, by their wiring, cannot be rehabilitated, they can be properly contained. A sociopath can fool people, as that is part of their trick, to fit in, when they know they are different. They can't fool the brain-scan. YES, we can identify sociopathy in brain scans. Very much so.

    This is is eminently doable and in many a country and case...poses no break in privacy and rights, as we are already dealing with people who are wards of the state.

    Those prisoners who want to be in a safer population which is easier to work with and can be rehabilitated and every effort put into them....would VOLUNTEER for the brain scan process.

    Which, incidentally, is probably a decently large percentage of the population of the given prison. Volunteers would be there, in spades, looking to get the hell out of that nightmare, for all the right reasons.

    Cost? in the USA, the most expensive place in the world, for medical hardware and it's use? About $1100US, right now, per scan.

    Which is an absolute pittance for the reward and change it brings.

    Part of the aim of this, is to show that it will work.

    The end result is to take those successes...and turn to testing for sociopathic wiring, to testing for that..in people in politics, power, finance and military, and so on.

    Hell, I'd actually have it on my resume:

    "Tested to be nil for sociopathic wiring, by accredited agency so and so". Another form of being bonded.
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    Default Re: Brainscans and prisoners: Outing the sociopaths and the domino effect

    Example:

    IF one person would be found to somehow slip by the accredited testing, and having committed some given crime (sociopaths do indeed screw up....), then the entire accreditation firm that was involved in their scanning... comes under the microscope of scrutiny.
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    Default Re: Brainscans and prisoners: Outing the sociopaths and the domino effect

    Brilliant idea.

    I would expect there to be extreme resistance from those able to introduce something like this though.
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    Default Re: Brainscans and prisoners: Outing the sociopaths and the domino effect

    Good idea, but for the power elite to maintain their control over the rest of us seems to me they would be opposed to programs which tend to clear up the existing mess. I mean, they been working for centuries to create and maintain the mess, I doubt that they would willingly institute programs aimed at clearing it up.

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    Default Re: Brainscans and prisoners: Outing the sociopaths and the domino effect

    The system as it is creates more criminals, more chaos.
    I think you are right that it can be reversed.
    Also there are prisons in the literal sense as well as the population at large.
    It might be easier to rehabilitate people in the greater prison.

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    Default Re: Brainscans and prisoners: Outing the sociopaths and the domino effect

    Now that it has been said (in the process of getting out as an idea), I think it is only a matter of time before someone one, some group, some country somewhere.... tries it.

    Either on prisoners, or as a prerequisite for a job, or for putting on their resume due to the sensitivity of their job prospects and area of expertise.


    Once that happens....
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    Default Re: Brainscans and prisoners: Outing the sociopaths and the domino effect

    I agree with the Thesis of this Thread. The prison system could make significant progress in the interest of both the imprisoned and the societies they originate from.

    As it is, the Prison system is (like most things under the heel of money and power) structured to maximize the number of despondents, criminals (dispositionally), and sociopaths while extracting the greatest magnitude of resource (labor) from the incarcerated in question. In particular, the structure is designed (perhaps not directly but still) to exalt the sociopaths in the given hierarchy. Those currently exalted are generally not want to neuter themselves, moving forward.

    To wit, the structure apparent is endemic to the maladjusted priorities of the society from which it is engendered.

    I would be most interested to hear or see of an organization/prison that embraced the ideas/ideals you purport.
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    Default Re: Brainscans and prisoners: Outing the sociopaths and the domino effect

    good idea if the non sociopaths are in control bad idea because sociopaths are in control and will somehow make any good idea another nightmare for the prisoners.
    Under the guise of good idea. which means that we are creating another idea for them to screw us up. As I have said first things first. Get the control back to the hands of the prisoners
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    I fully agree with the premises here. In prison, prisoners in Canada do have to pass a test (written) to detect psychopathy, if it is deemed necessary by the institution. To go from a written test to a scan, the step is very short. It could work.

    However, this does not help for banksters for example. In the general population, such scans would be refused. In some jobs, it could even be used to make sure these psychopaths are screened IN, not out.

    I was talking with someone who cleaned my windows and kitchen cabinets. I already knew him from the past where I had to teach a group of tough ones, but only one amongst them had done some prison time, this one cleaning my windows (the others ones were from extremely rich families and although they were real trouble makers, most probably psychopaths, their families always paid the way out of jail - one of them, his family was in international banking).

    Well, this guy is sitting and we are discussing the contract when he starts telling me that he was diagnosed as a pyschopath in jail, with the said test. I had always seen him as a student, and I usually like my students (makes the job easier), but this time, I took a breathing space and started to observe him, I could see the ingrained lies and deceit.

    But not only that, I started questioning. He told me that he could very easily kill someone and go back home and sleep on his two ears peacefully. He just would have executed a given contract, as requested. No guilt, no thinking. I joked and told him that I knew he would never kill me and his answer was: "no, I would come and tell you and ask for 1/2 the price given to me in order not to do my job, because you are a friend". I had chill on my back.

    But, the most interesting, is that just before he was arrested for murder, he had applied to be in the army and he was being recruited as a potential sniper precisely because he is a psychopath and would kill without PTSD.

    This also gave me the goose bumps.

    I bet anything that in trading, when they pass the screening tests prior to be hired, psychopaths are positively screened and hired.

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    Default Re: Brainscans and prisoners: Outing the sociopaths and the domino effect

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    I fully agree with the premises here. In prison, prisoners in Canada do have to pass a test (written) to detect psychopathy, if it is deemed necessary by the institution. To go from a written test to a scan, the step is very short. It could work.

    However, this does not help for banksters for example. In the general population, such scans would be refused. In some jobs, it could even be used to make sure these psychopaths are screened IN, not out.
    Start small. watch for infiltration of special interests, who would want the beginnings of the testing and methods, to fail. They'll even do their damnedest to infiltrate the original specifications and guidelines. To undermine the origins in ways that are not simple to see, unless attention is paid in all ways.

    Countries like Canada are good for this, same as Norway, Sweden, (probably Germany and Australia as well) etc...as infiltration of the government systems by private corporations and scummy people (sociopaths and hidden interests, secret societies, etc) is not anywhere as bad as the USA -in which the infiltration is largely complete.

    Once positive results begin to show up, which would not be long, then...it will begin to spread.

    Sooner or later it gets to politics and critical government and military positions.

    Then, it comes to the process of recruits in the military and in private organizations. like banking and financial worlds. This is why the words 'domino effect' are in the title of the thread.

    But first...it needs history.

    The polarity has to be found and shown to the public in a simple easy to understand way.

    Prisons appear to be the best way, and place, to start.
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    Default Re: Brainscans and prisoners: Outing the sociopaths and the domino effect

    Also, use nutritious food, food supplements & vitamins..... and group therapy (it works!)
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    Also, use nutritious food, food supplements & vitamins..... and group therapy (it works!)
    good idea but first you have to kill the candida and other parasites with turpentine lest they grow bigger and stronger with the supplements and mess your brains as well. As I have said first things first

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    Also, use nutritious food, food supplements & vitamins..... and group therapy (it works!)
    Sorry my friend, but not with psychopaths. With them it is proven that group thérapies, vitamins and food supplement does not work. They will manipulate their way within the group therapy and the psychologist will see only warm fire place, no raging fire. They are not equipped in the brain for corrective measures. They do not have the same brain as us Eram.

    Believe me and read about it, it does not work. However, the said proposals in your post are very useful for those have encoutered psychopaths.

    Bubu you cannot kill what does not exist. Forget turpentine, you cannot kill the absence of something. They do not have the brain cell corresponding to empathy. Period. This won't develop.

    Eram and Bubu, you have never been subjected to psychopaths, either in business or in prison. Very obvious. And i am happy for you truly. No need for such experience in one's life.
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    Default Re: Brainscans and prisoners: Outing the sociopaths and the domino effect

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    Also, use nutritious food, food supplements & vitamins..... and group therapy (it works!)
    Sorry my friend, but not with psychopaths. With them it is proven that group thérapies, vitamins and food supplement does not work. They will manipulate their way within the group therapy and the psychologist will see only warm fire place, no raging fire. They are not equipped in the brain for corrective measures. They do not have the same brain as us Eram.

    Believe me and read about it, it does not work. However, the said proposals in your post are very useful for those have encoutered psychopaths.

    Bubu you cannot kill what does not exist. Forget turpentine, you cannot kill the absence of something. They do not have the brain cell corresponding to empathy. Period. This won't develop.

    Eram and Bubu, you have never been subjected to psychopaths, either in business or in prison. Very obvious. And i am happy for you truly. No need for such experience in one's life.
    Yes, I'm aware of that.
    It was meant as a means for other inmates to get rehabilitated

    I wonder though, Have there ever been reports about psychopaths that did take a turn for the better ?
    Is it even possible?
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    Say you have a herd of ducks. We can assume that among the herd are different personalities, respond to different calls have different weaknesses and strength. If you new all this you can pretty much maximize your use of the herd.

    Classifying the sheeple is taking herding to the next level.

    And that would be under the guise of containing the sociopaths for good. The sheeple will most probably bite it all bait hook and sink in no time faster than how we take on the global warming.
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    Say you have a herd of ducks. We can assume that among the herd are different personalities, respond to different calls have different weaknesses and strength. If you new all this you can pretty much maximize your use of the herd.

    Classifying the sheeple is taking herding to the next level.
    At the present time, it is the psychopaths who classify the sheeple. What we are talking about here is for the sheeple to finally classify the psychopath.

    i personnally do not think it is possible to have the psychopaths turn around, not unless to take them before their mom's pregnancies. And it is at least 4% of the population. To add to this, there is psychopaths even in the animal reign . They often deal with them by chasing them away from their group (the éléphants for example). Monkeys are like us on average, they get hurt and the troup does not do well.

    We are aware here that talking about psychopaths is talking about the animal parts of our societies and of ourselves. Not very evolved. And psychopaths do stop the progress of societies with their activities and incessant hurting of others.
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    Default Re: Brainscans and prisoners: Outing the sociopaths and the domino effect

    IMHO after some history of working in male and female federal Canadian prisons one might want to implement the test for the staff members first and foremest before testing the prisoners..................
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    IMHO after some history of working in male and female federal Canadian prisons one might want to implement the test for the staff members first and foremest before testing the prisoners..................
    lol, I was thinking of that too when I wrote my first post. Any place where you are allowed to beat up others, a greater concentration of psycopaths should normally be found, be it prisons or trading floors.

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    Say you have a herd of ducks. We can assume that among the herd are different personalities, respond to different calls have different weaknesses and strength. If you new all this you can pretty much maximize your use of the herd.

    Classifying the sheeple is taking herding to the next level.
    At the present time, it is the psychopaths who classify the sheeple. What we are talking about here is for the sheeple to finally classify the psychopath.
    So we are talking of classifying the sociopaths when it is not yet possible to do it.

    well I understand that most of us here wants to play; like predicting what will happen when free energy finally arrives. Ok I remember. And am not saying there is something wrong with that. Have fun, that's life is all about.

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    Quote Posted by Flash (here)
    Quote Posted by Bubu (here)
    Say you have a herd of ducks. We can assume that among the herd are different personalities, respond to different calls have different weaknesses and strength. If you new all this you can pretty much maximize your use of the herd.

    Classifying the sheeple is taking herding to the next level.
    At the present time, it is the psychopaths who classify the sheeple. What we are talking about here is for the sheeple to finally classify the psychopath.
    So we are talking of classifying the sociopaths when it is not yet possible to do it.

    well I understand that most of us here wants to play; like predicting what will happen when free energy finally arrives. Ok I remember. And am not saying there is something wrong with that. Have fun, that's life is all about.
    Bubu, it is now possible to detect psychopaths through written tests and through brain scans and through genes sequencing. It is no more in psy ops, it is a public knowledge and happening.

    Here just one of them: The Hare psychopaty checklist

    Quote The Hare Psychopathy Checklist-Revised (PCL-R) is the psychological assessment most commonly used to rate psychopathy.[1] It is a 20-item inventory of perceived personality traits and recorded behaviors, intended to be completed on the basis of a semi-structured interview along with a review of 'collateral information' such as official recordshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hare_Psychopathy_Checklist

    [QUOTE]"The amygdala is the seat of emotion. Psychopaths lack emotion. They lack empathy, remorse, guilt," said research team member Adrian Raine, chair of the Department of Criminology at the University of Pennsylvania, at the annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science in Washington, D.C., last month.


    University of Pennsylvania criminologist Adrian Raine




    University of Pennsylvania criminologist Adrian Raine
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    In addition to brain differences, people who end up being convicted for crimes often show behavioral differences compared with the rest of the population. One long-term study that Raine participated in followed 1,795 children born in two towns from ages 3 to 23. The study measured many aspects of these individuals' growth and development, and found that 137 became criminal offenders.
    http://www.livescience.com/13083-cri...ce-ethics.html[/QUOTE



    simply having the psychopaths genes does not necessarily mean you will be violent, it dépends on what in your childhood can trigger it. However, as Fallon, the researcher on psychopathy who discovered he is himself a psychopath said, whatever he does wrong, he does not care. He does not care if he has the gene or not. No empathy.
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