Brainscans and prisoners: Outing the sociopaths and the domino effect

[Flash]

Don't you think you are exagerating Vitalux. Psychopaths and sociopaths compose about 4% of the society, and they are found everywhere, but have more chance to be found were there is profits in any form (control of others, lots of recognition, money money money, power power power).

As for the lie detectors, I check wikileak and you may be right. I got my statistic directly from the mouth of someone working regularly with the authorities (police and more) and she must not have revised her stats for a while. She seems to be wrong.

Posted by Vitalux (here)

Posted by Flash (here)

The spirit of brotherhood can only prevail when the psychopaths ARE NOT in control

Ok lets try another approach.

Lets get everyone to make a List of the suspected psychopaths who are in control.

I will start the list with whom I might think is the psychopaths in control

Police
Politicians
Bankers
Lawyers
Judges
Billionaires
Millionaires
Kings / Queens
Queers
Jews
Weathy
Folks from the slums
Drug addicts
Dead beat landlords
Dead Beat dads
The homeless
The Media
Hollywood
The government
Insurance companies
Children Aid Society
Industries that produce meat
Industries that produce fur
Industries that produce fish

Folks that speed
Folks that drive to slow
Folks that don't pick up their dog's poop from the parks
Doctors

Pharmaceutical Industry
The Military
The petroleum industries
The Hydro companies.

The Presidents?
Zions
Masons
Baptists
Christians
People with Brown Skin
Muslims
Pedophiles
Perverts
polygamists
atheists
creationists
the mentally ill
those that are physically disabled
fat people
short people
people that look funny
stupid people
folks who don't think like me
people who disagree with me
cowards
etc
etc






Are you smelling the coffee yet?

*smiles*

[Bob]

It appears when Anti-social personality disorder" is present, the insidious aspect is no longer as present and they act out - that is what could have happened with Karl Pierson, the recent Colorado 18 year old high honors student who sought revenge against one who was the "legal system" in his immediate group.. (he was reprimanded in his "forum" of speaking and debate club, then took revenge against the leader, ending up killing himself, and wounding others in the process).

The hidden sociopath acts out when the anti-social aspects (see below) get button pushed. Easy to see in the observed actions and reactions..

Anti-Social Personality Disorder, reference:

Antisocial personality disorder is characterized by a long-standing pattern of a disregard for other people’s rights, often crossing the line and violating those rights.

It usually begins in childhood or as a teen and continues into their adult lives.

Antisocial personality disorder is often referred to as psychopathy or sociopathy in popular culture.

Individuals with Antisocial Personality Disorder frequently lack empathy and tend to be callous, cynical, and contemptuous of the feelings, rights, and sufferings of others.

They may have an inflated and arrogant self-appraisal (e.g., feel that ordinary work is beneath them or lack a realistic concern about their current problems or their future) and may be excessively opinionated, self-assured, or cocky.

They may display a glib, superficial charm and can be quite voluble and verbally facile (e.g., using technical terms or jargon that might impress someone who is unfamiliar with the topic).

Lack of empathy, inflated self-appraisal, and superficial charm are features that have been commonly included in traditional conceptions of psychopathy and may be particularly distinguishing of Antisocial Personality Disorder in prison or forensic settings where criminal, delinquent, or aggressive acts are likely to be nonspecific.

These individuals may also be irresponsible and exploitative in their sexual relationships.

Running through the list, above, one can check off, one by one, the items, and run a scale, an evaluation of what is being observed.

I am actually waiting for Pink Rabbit to jump in here and explain how the chemical straight-jacket tools can be used in the effective treatment.

CornCrake started the thread, and Pink Rabbit explained Risperidone's use here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post761813

Like using Risperidone for instance to burn out the dopamine and serotonin receptors - chemical psychosurgery in other words. (Risperidone good link to read on what it does to the mind: http://www.erowid.org/experiences/su...eriences.shtml )


I just wonder then if borderline sociopaths and/or psychopaths will try to "self-medicate" as the woman reported in the user dialog post, "He was a controller, manipulator, attention-seeking stalker who was dangerous when he was crossed or drunk. "

[Vitalux]

Posted by Flash (here)
Don't you think you are exagerating Vitalux. Psychopaths and sociopaths compose about 4% of the society, and they are found everywhere, but have more chance to be found were there is profits in any form (control of others, lots of recognition, money money money, power power power).

not really exaggerating, but trying to find different ways to illustrate my point.

Lets try another way...

A what point is the glass full


Perhaps there is a little bit of sociopath is everyone. It is just a point of what events or conditions it takes to precipitate such a behavior.

Where do we draw the line in a human being where we can call them a sociopath

When they are 10%...20%...30%...50%...80%..90 %....

and by whose standards are we going to reach a consensus on

My theses statement is simple.

Every single human being is a potential sociopath and every single human being has the quality of being schizophrenic.

Which group of schizophrenics should be put in charge?

Like I stated in an earlier post

Another way we can view this is, which of the insane inmates of an insane asylum shall we put in charge.
From my perspective, you, I, and everyone else on the planet is already insane.
Our delusions of grander and narcissism convince us otherwise.

[Flash]

The impact of psychopathy, stress on health and social productivity in a troup of baboon, closely related to what happens in society

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=A4UMyTnlaMY

[Flash]

Posted by Vitalux (here)

Posted by Flash (here)
Don't you think you are exagerating Vitalux. Psychopaths and sociopaths compose about 4% of the society, and they are found everywhere, but have more chance to be found were there is profits in any form (control of others, lots of recognition, money money money, power power power).

not really exaggerating, but trying to find different ways to illustrate my point.

Lets try another way...

A what point is the glass full


Perhaps there is a little bit of sociopath is everyone. It is just a point of what events or conditions it takes to precipitate such a behavior.

Where do we draw the line in a human being where we can call them a sociopath

When they are 10%...20%...30%...50%...80%..90 %....

and by whose standards are we going to reach a consensus on

My theses statement is simple.

Every single human being is a potential sociopath and every single human being has the quality of being schizophrenic.

Which group of schizophrenics should be put in charge?

Like I stated in an earlier post

Another way we can view this is, which of the insane inmates of an insane asylum shall we put in charge.
From my perspective, you, I, and everyone else on the planet is already insane.
Our delusions of grander and narcissism convince us otherwise.

You are just defending a point Vitalux, a belief, and it has been quite well illustrated. But as long as you hold tight to your belief, you will not be able to listen to what this thread is bringing. This has a huge stalling effect, here as in society. Check my two last posts please.

We are not discussing beliefs here, we are discussing what we should be conscious of in order to change what is happening on earth.

[gripreaper]

So, if there is an effective test which could place everybody on a scale, not just prisoners but everybody, including the power elite, from pure empath on the one hand to abject psychopath on the other, then rules and regulations could be put in place which requires everyone to get one of these tests at the age of majority, say 18 years of age.

This would go into their master file and set up initiatives which they would be placed in to alter their brain makeup, to remove the inerrant cross wired synapses. This could be done through microwave entrainment technology. Then they would be placed in society where they would be the most happy and do the most good.

Those who test at the top of the scale, who are fully enlightened and carry avatar status, could be on the panel who decides the fate of all of the rest of us. For example, the incorrigible psychopaths could be euthanized and removed from the planet by the enlightened avatars. The rest would be entrained through microwave technology based on where we fell on the scale and what aberrant issues needed to be reprogrammed.

Once everyone has been tested, evaluated, either euthanized or entrained, then placed in society, we would all live happily ever after and all of our problems would be gone. No more nefarious psychopaths running the planet anymore, just fully readjusted and happy empaths everywhere who are enjoying themselves in abundance.

Yup, that's the ticket! If you go to the "Advanced Energy Technology Report" linked below and scroll down to the Bob Dratch section and then click on the HoloForm power point presentations, specifically powerpoint #3, yet the others too, you will see that this technology already exists and is being implemented.

http://pesn.com/2007/08/27/9500495_A...gy_Colloquium/

[Flash]

Posted by gripreaper (here)
So, if there is an effective test which could place everybody on a scale, from pure empath on the one hand to abject psychopath on the other, then rules and regulations could be put in place which requires everyone to get one of these tests at the age of majority, say 18 years of age.

This would go into their master file and set up initiatives which they would be placed in to alter their brain makeup, to remove the inerrant cross wired synapses. This could be done through microwave entrainment technology. Then they would be placed in society where they would be the most happy and do the most good.

Those who test at the top of the scale, who are fully enlightened and carry avatar status, could be on the panel who decides the fate of all of the rest of us. For example, the incorrigible psychopaths would be euthanized and removed from the planet by the enlightened avatars. The rest would be entrained through microwave technology based on where we fell on the scale and what aberrant issues needed to be reprogrammed.

Once everyone has been tested, evaluated, either euthanized or entrained, then placed in society, we would all live happily ever after and all of our problems would be gone. No more nefarious psychopaths running the planet anymore, just fully readjusted and happy empaths everywhere who are enjoying themselves in abundance.

Yup, that's the ticket! If you go to the "Advanced Energy Technology Report" linked below and scroll down to the Bob Dratch section and then click on the HoloForm power point presentations, specifically powerpoint #3, yet the others too, you will see that this technology already exists and is being implemented.

http://pesn.com/2007/08/27/9500495_A...gy_Colloquium/

No you are wrong here. What has to be done is put out the sociopaths and psychopaths from position of power. By whichever mean. As long as they have the control and they are the ones administrating the test and deciding about what to do with the outcome, we, the sheeple, are doomed. And it is precisely what is happening right now.

As long as we use the "all equal" to let thing happens without doing anything, the sociopaths and psychopaths amongst us are running the show and the planet.

Screening everybody is useless because not all psychopaths/sociopaths are either in jail or in position of power. But those who are should be screened.

Check the video with the monkey. Only 9 minutes and truly transformative in paradigms.

[gripreaper]

http://pesn.com/2007/08/27/9500495_A...gy_Colloquium/

Posted by Flash (here)
No you are wrong here. What has to be done is put out the sociopaths and psychopaths from position of power. By whichever mean. As long as they have the control and they are the ones administrating the test and deciding about what to do with the outcome, we, the sheeple, are doomed. And it is precisely what is happening right now.

Easy there sparky. Please reread what I wrote. That's the whole idea is to screen everybody including the power elite, and let those who test at the top of the scale, the highest avatars, euthanize them.

[Flash]

Posted by gripreaper (here)
http://pesn.com/2007/08/27/9500495_A...gy_Colloquium/

Posted by Flash (here)
No you are wrong here. What has to be done is put out the sociopaths and psychopaths from position of power. By whichever mean. As long as they have the control and they are the ones administrating the test and deciding about what to do with the outcome, we, the sheeple, are doomed. And it is precisely what is happening right now.

Easy there sparky. Please reread what I wrote. That's the whole idea is to screen everybody including the power elite, and let those who test at the top of the scale, the highest avatars, euthanize them.

The main thing is that you may not need to euthanise them if they remain at the bottom of the hierarchical chain. Look at the monkey video. But we do need to screen them to put them out of power roles.

And then, wihtin 100 or 500 générations maybe, the psychopath gene will most probably switch off.

[Vitalux]

Posted by gripreaper (here)
http://pesn.com/2007/08/27/9500495_A...gy_Colloquium/

Posted by Flash (here)
No you are wrong here. What has to be done is put out the sociopaths and psychopaths from position of power. By whichever mean. As long as they have the control and they are the ones administrating the test and deciding about what to do with the outcome, we, the sheeple, are doomed. And it is precisely what is happening right now.

Easy there sparky. Please reread what I wrote. That's the whole idea is to screen everybody including the power elite, and let those who test at the top of the scale, the highest avatars, euthanize them.

Marvelous idea

We could even extend this further and do brain scan while the children are in the wombs of the pregnant mothers, and the state could terminate the pregnancy if the child did not meet strict state guide lines of what a brain should look like.

Further we could extend this pioneering work to the animals. Make it illegal for anyone to posses an animal that might have sociopath tendencies as well.

We could even set up an anonymous toll free tip line, so folks could call in and report their friends, co workers, parents, neighbors, etc, who they suspected were sociopaths.

It is a marvelous idea and needs a good groundwork of implementation to ensure it's enforcement on the human race.

Because it is of benefit to the human race, lets exercise a rule that all opposed to this idea must be a sociopath as they are against the betterment of the human species and therefore a larvated sociopath that must be euthanized immediately to avoid further contamination of the human race.

I further offer that we could call this new pioneering "wave" of human technological achievement " The Carmody" solution


*note*

just meant to generate some laughter for a comedy break.

[Bob]

I had pointed out above in the Anti-Social-Personality Disorder :

Antisocial personality disorder is characterized by a long-standing pattern of a disregard for other people’s rights, often crossing the line and violating those rights.

The key words are when the "assault" happens frequently and observation of such has happened (as Pink Rabbit mentioned), the offender had "bothered" the "establishment" exhibiting traits that tipped an official "authority's" existing measuring scales, that person then through an in-take action, either by a cop or judge, "entered the system". On entering the system, the evaluation tests ARE performed, and the "appropriate action" as determined by "the system" happens. In other countries it may not be that "gentle", I am reminded of the old psychosurgery gulags of North Korea and ex-Soviet Union.

There are many issues of discussion of abuse of the "appropriate action" determinations and then the remediation chosen to "fix" the problem.

There are no normally floor-doctor requested "brain scans" being performed (at this time) to determine psychopathy, or sociopathology - all there are is the perceived observation(s) of the attending physician (that could be biased by any sort of pre-conception of what is happening based on reports from the arresting officer, judge).

The western doctors appear to feel "chemical" remediation is the most favored easy way out. Even incarcerated "elderly" in nursing homes if they are acting out, being verbally abusive, or "bothering" the other "inmates" (residents) are given anti-psychotics (ya risperidone is a drug of choice) to shut them up fast and permanently, to "fix them". (and thereby those treated will seem normal, except for the drooling and rigidity, and loss of personality)..

Kim Jong Un just executed whom he called a relative who was "skum of the earth", having been "evaluated" after actions shown as not "following the accepted" rules of the system. So top level targeting of perceived psychologically defectives does happen depending on which political system one falls under.

ref: accepted western world testing methods - http://psychcentral.com/lib/types-of...esting/0005924

ref: prison system psyche eval testing methods - https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/publicatio...aspx?ID=178139

and

ref: forensic pathology - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forensic_psychology

"Forensic evaluators must be able to provide the source on which any information is based. While psychologists infrequently have to be concerned about malingering or feigning illness (presenting the "just kidding excuse frequently and pathologically" a tactic used by the sociopath presenting anti-social behavior), in a non-criminal clinical setting, a forensic psychologist is able to recognize exaggerated, manipulated or faked symptoms. Malingering exists on a continuum so the forensic psychologist must be skilled in recognizing varying degrees of feigned symptoms."

[gripreaper]

Posted by Vitalux (here)
I further offer that we could call this new pioneering "wave" of human technological achievement " The Carmody" solution

*note* just meant to generate some laughter for a comedy break.

Nah, lets call it "Project Renaissance" or "Project Ascension" or "Project Enlightenment" or "Project Global Healing" or "Project Sustainable Initiative" or some derivative of the good guys taking over the technology of the bad guys and using it for good!

[Flash]

Posted by Vitalux (here)

Posted by gripreaper (here)
http://pesn.com/2007/08/27/9500495_A...gy_Colloquium/

Posted by Flash (here)
No you are wrong here. What has to be done is put out the sociopaths and psychopaths from position of power. By whichever mean. As long as they have the control and they are the ones administrating the test and deciding about what to do with the outcome, we, the sheeple, are doomed. And it is precisely what is happening right now.

Easy there sparky. Please reread what I wrote. That's the whole idea is to screen everybody including the power elite, and let those who test at the top of the scale, the highest avatars, euthanize them.

Marvelous idea

We could even extend this further and do brain scan while the children are in the wombs of the pregnant mothers, and the state could terminate the pregnancy if the child did not meet strict state guide lines of what a brain should look like.

Further we could extend this pioneering work to the animals. Make it illegal for anyone to posses an animal that might have sociopath tendencies as well.

We could even set up an anonymous toll free tip line, so folks could call in and report their friends, co workers, parents, neighbors, etc, who they suspected were sociopaths.

It is a marvelous idea and needs a good groundwork of implementation to ensure it's enforcement on the human race.

Because it is of benefit to the human race, lets exercise a rule that all opposed to this idea must be a sociopath as they are against the betterment of the human species and therefore a larvated sociopath that must be euthanized immediately to avoid further contamination of the human race.

I further offer that we could call this new pioneering "wave" of human technological achievement " The Carmody" solution


*note*

just meant to generate some laughter for a comedy break.

First, read my post above yours

Second, you are arguing on something you do not seem to personnally know that much about. Again, i repeat, you are starting from a belief that everyone is good and everyone has to have a chance, human rights. This is because you are not a psychopath, you are a good person. Good people have real difficulty comprehending the psychopath mindset.

I almost wish you to have for a few years a sociopath in your direct daily life. Just for the experience and to brake down this non helpful belief system in today's society. For many, only direct encounter with sociopathy makes us change our belief system, once we have been Under the tank of their desires or wants or power and it often takes many years to realise what is happening to us. I was one of those who would have written the kind of posts you are presently writing. I could not believe or admit to myself that people without empathy or guilt existed, I deeply thought that we are all equal in fact. In soul, yes, as long as it is with us, in 3D fact, no. This is what I realised.

As long as we think we are all made equal, which we are not, the psychopath will use that to climb on top and make us feel guilty while they DGAF.

I wish you the experience and when it happens, remember my posts, come back to it.

On a wider societal level, your reaction tells me that we will not achieve the desire result of putting them back where they belong, below the hierarchy, if hierarchy there is.

[Vitalux]

Posted by Bobd (here)
I had pointed out above in the Anti-Social-Personality Disorder :

Antisocial personality disorder is characterized by a long-standing pattern of a disregard for other people’s rights, often crossing the line and violating those rights.

My guess that it would be very difficult to pin a label of "Antisocial personality disorder" on anyone or any group

[Flash]

Posted by Vitalux (here)

Posted by Bobd (here)
I had pointed out above in the Anti-Social-Personality Disorder :

Antisocial personality disorder is characterized by a long-standing pattern of a disregard for other people’s rights, often crossing the line and violating those rights.

My guess that it would be very difficult to pin a label of "Antisocial personality disorder" on anyone or any group

Agressor, agressed, how difficult is it to put a label? And why put label? Just toss aside thedefective ones, the macaque at the top who has the defective gene or brain. And all these violence would stop. Would you put an hallucinating schizophrenic (i insist on hallucinating, meaning he cannot manage his life at that given time) in charge of the government? So why, for go sh sake, do we put "hallucinating" sociopaths and psyhopaths (hallucinating because here they cannot function in a cooperating society). What is the difference???? The only one is that for the first his mental disiquilibrium is openly visible while it is not for the second.

[Observer1964]

I think these scans would be even more necesarry for politicians...
just imagine what that would do for our society...

[DNA]

Posted by Flash (here)
Fine, I do not know if it makes much difference for leading in society though. Why would you want to be led by someone, a sociopath, or a psychopath, both. When all researches prove are damaging to society they usually are?

Because you have fun with one and his has broken no law that you know of???
Because they are fealess and have no guilt?
Oh, because they take décisions fast and without thinking for long????
The sociopath will be very happy to read this.

It really beats me your comment. I would very much rather be lead by people with lots of empathy and wisdom for the whole of society.

I have my reasons and they are lengthy and entailed.
It took me years and years before I realized how sociopaths can be such a powerful force for good.

My explanation would include Carlos Castaneda's definitions of leadership roles in his Naguel's party first off, and how Don Juan pretty much described himself as a sociopath.
This would then lead into the four pronged energetic configuration of a sociopath lending them almost superhuman energy and amazing communication skills.

Let me state it like this.

Me and my buddy the sociopath were driving down the road one day. I was driving when we saw a stranded female motorist.
I thought to myself "hmmmm, should I stop and help her?, probably, but what if she is scared because two men are stopping and approaching her on the road, she may be intimidated and think we are trying to take advantage of her, after all it is the age of the cell phone, she has probably already called for roadside assistance". As the last of this thought was running through my head my sociopath friend yelled at me to stop the vehicle so we could see if this woman needed help.
We did and yes she needed help.
She had no cell phone and we drove her to a near by gas station where she was profously greatful.

My buddy did not give a crap about offending her or scaring her, he just acted instantly and as such the woman was helped. As for myself and all my empathy, I would have left her on the side of the road rather than risk offending or scaring her.

I have many stories like this and I can get into greater detail if you wish.


It is my opinion that many of the great figuirs of society and history who have implamented great social change were sociopaths.

[Vitalux]

My final thoughts as i abandon this thread is that I love all of humanity and don't view myself as any better or worse than anyone else.

When I gaze out at the world before me, it is quite beautiful and flourishing in a constant change.




Young energetic souls are being born and developing in an environment that is spiritually productive.

Perhaps each of us resonates just at different frequencies.

My frequency has certainly changed and l am quite happy that is has.

Part of that growth has been helped immensely by information I have acquired by Avalon Forums.

I thank Bill Ryan, and all those whose contributions make this such a great library of knowledge.

[Carmody]

Posted by DNA (here)
It is my opinion that many of the great figures of society and history who have implemented great social change were sociopaths.

Do not confuse sociopath with those who have emotions and have learned and grown to handle them correctly. There is a very fundamental difference between the two. One is a horrifically dangerous self affected and instinctually driven machine.

The other can do things that logic says is necessary and has not the instinct and emotions controlling them, causing them to do something else. The emotions are part of their decisions and act, but do not run the owner of said emotions off the metaphorical road.

Again, a massive and fundamental difference between the two, and it happens down at the mind/brain wiring level, to start.

The overly kind and emotionally driven must learn that balance point. The sociopath does not even possess the emotional drive, and cannot make decisions based on anyone outside of themselves.

Your friend may not be as much the sociopath as you may think.

The danger point is to confuse any form of grown clarity... with sociopathic animalism.

One is clear due to going through the stages of learning how to handle an utilize emotions correctly. The intellect flourishes (immense growth) when the emotions stop coloring the growth process into a shorting out. (it's called 'going clear')(life and past life processing)

The other is cunning, instinctual and dangerous and driven by those instincts, and has not the emotions coloring their thoughts..and this is how they appear to be 'more clear' in their intellect.

Again, a fundamental and major difference between the two that highly emotional and emotionally controlled people (which is the bulk of humanity, to say the least) cannot see.

[Bob]

Posted by Flash (here)

Posted by gripreaper (here)
http://pesn.com/2007/08/27/9500495_A...gy_Colloquium/

Posted by Flash (here)
No you are wrong here. What has to be done is put out the sociopaths and psychopaths from position of power. By whichever mean. As long as they have the control and they are the ones administrating the test and deciding about what to do with the outcome, we, the sheeple, are doomed. And it is precisely what is happening right now.

Easy there sparky. Please reread what I wrote. That's the whole idea is to screen everybody including the power elite, and let those who test at the top of the scale, the highest avatars, euthanize them.

The main thing is that you may not need to euthanise them if they remain at the bottom of the hierarchical chain. Look at the monkey video. But we do need to screen them to put them out of power roles.

And then, wihtin 100 or 500 générations maybe, the psychopath gene will most probably switch off.

Eugenics - Positive or Negative?

http://web.lemoyne.edu/~szebenyi/0204.htm

China it has been said is the current Eugenic Manipulator on the planet, modifying the population through selective breeding, birth control (justifications from over-population), but quite possibly the hidden reason being in the "big 1000 year plan", genetic stock who will rule the planet (and elsewhere..)

"The word Eugenics was first used by Francis Galton, an English geneticist from the Greek word eugenia meaning well-born. In practical terms eugenics means our intervention to modify the natural given by enhancing what is good (positive eugenics), and by decreasing or preventing what is bad (negative eugenics). It is important to realize that the two aspects of eugenics, the positive and the negative are not two sides of the same coin. They are totally different in both, methods and results."

When those "in power" use selective breeding, are the breeders clear of psychopathic or sociopathic or anti-social personality tendencies?

If, the point is continue to let the abusive elite rule and give them more knowledge and more tools to become more abusive, either overt (brazen) or hidden (covert), the end result is a slave system of takers/demanders and "providers", again feeding the abuser who has masked the program of control in a "reasonable and believable" package to allow it's aberration to perpetuate and grow; or come up with a better system and show how it is going to work.. it is always that way, isn't it?

So show us examples of what works - why such would work - how such would allow for zero slavery and an evolving stable peaceful and healthful, growing world society.

The sociopath and psychopath do not want anyone to be more able, or aware or understand how they have been manipulated or abused by themselves. Yet alone a whole world aware and safe.