Brainscans and prisoners: Outing the sociopaths and the domino effect

[anonymous]

my privacy standards have changed - 5/10/16 - apologies for the many edits of public comments

[Sidney]

I would love to see a brain scan of every politician that ever held office. I truly wonder the percentage of sociopaths that reside inside the world of leaders.

[Flash]

Posted by Sidney (here)
I would love to see a brain scan of every politician that ever held office. I truly wonder the percentage of sociopaths that reside inside the world of leaders.

Me too, I would love that.

[Carmody]

Finding sociopaths and psychopaths, via their recorded verbal history --Empathetic detection software:

AI is so over: This is artificial empathy
Your local call center may know more about you than your therapist

Are you the kind of person who prefers to be chatty on customer service calls, or do you like to get right to the point? Do you prefer to be led through an explanation every step of the way, or do you prefer that the person on the other end just shut up and "do what they need to do"? Do you prefer person-centered explanations, or technical explanations? Are you outgoing, or are you shy?

Believe it or not, there is a computer system out there that can figure out the details of your personality and interaction style after listening to mere seconds of your phone calls. In fact, this may have already happened the last time you called a customer service line. There is no way you would ever know.

Mattersight is an extremely sophisticated data analysis system that listens to the way you respond on the telephone. It listens to you in the background, and breaks down hundreds of micro-features of your voice: Volume, tone, pauses, speed of response, and so on. It uses mathematical algorithms to interpret these features, compare them to data in its databases, and come up with a personality profile for you.

All of this happens, by the way, during the first few seconds that you are on the phone. It could even be happening while you are working your way through a voice-activated menu system.

Then, when you are finally connected to a sales representative or customer service professional, Mattersight takes its analysis of your personality, compares it to the personality profiles of the call center employees that it has on file, and automatically connects you with the service agent that you are most compatible with.

As a result, you will have a better customer experience. If you like brusque and professional, you will be connected with someone who is brusque and professional; on the other hand, if you like friendly and chatty, you will be connected with someone who asks how your day is going.

You will never even know that Mattersight was behind the scenes, manipulating the whole thing. In some cases, even the customer service representative may not know. But the end result is that both parties come away from the experience knowing that they were talking to someone who was "easy to get along with."

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But how far can this profiling go? By gathering data about your vocal distress level, incorrect responses, or dialect, can Mattersight detect whether you might be someone who is trying to commit fraud? Can it be used to predict the chances that you might miss payments, or skip out on a debt?

Can it be used to detect psychopathy? As the raw amount of data that we can extract from vocal interaction increases, and as the mathematical systems for examining those data improve, we will be able to make increasingly better predictions about nearly all aspects of a caller's personality, even those that one might normally think of as being "private."

How comfortable do you feel that Mattersight can use "big data" techniques to find out more about you than your therapist can find out by laying you on a couch once a week?

Although Mattersight does not advertise its system as "artificial intelligence," its data mining techniques are reminiscent of many of the artificial intelligence techniques that have been discovered and refined over the last several decades. Traditional "artificial intelligence" is usually associated with, for example, taking voice commands and extracting the meanings of words and sentences.

Mattersight's system, on the other hand, is more like "artificial empathy": It takes the same stream of verbal input, and it extracts information about the speaker's mood, personality, and interaction style. This is basically the same thing that people do intuitively when listening to one another: Assessing mood, feelings, and personality.

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It could be a very simple matter to work this software in a different direction. not easy to say without looking closely at the parameters involved. However, testing and modelling goes a long way. to me, it appears to have a definite capacity to be restructured and re-targeted.

I'm sure the NSA (and whomever else) is already using their own version of this in their systems.

In this case, to turn the tables on this situation. - For the detection and identification of sociopaths and psychopaths. Another tool in the toolchest.


That's now 4 quadrants of modern detection and exposure. The error rate will be low when all are used. Please, identify the problems in the use of such a thing and then the workaround can be created. I understand that such will exist and I can easily bring up a few 'caveats' almost immediately. But overall, it would be an incredible new tool.

It's use on politicians , corporate heads, financial heads, military personnel, elitist rich, and so on, would really bring the exposure level to being right through the roof, and every minute of recorded and analyzed speech would only increase the level of accuracy.

Those sorts of people have to talk, in public, all the time, so.. in effect, retrofitted to the existing power structure and the record of their videos and conversations, meetings, public discussions, congressional records, the united nations, European council... means that the current group, via this form of analysis, is..right now...VERY Heavily exposed.

Posted by Flash (here)

Posted by Sidney (here)
I would love to see a brain scan of every politician that ever held office. I truly wonder the percentage of sociopaths that reside inside the world of leaders.

Me too, I would love that.

We can do one better.... One that is much... much better.

To identify the potential targets and the potential accuracy as a 'hit' ...with high levels of accuracy, before taking it further.

[Carmody]

First concern, that 'scripting and coaching' can get them past these sort of detection systems.

A: the software can easily detect when a bit of scripting is in place, as it will repeat itself,and fail when something unplanned, aka, normal random interactions take place.

I mean, right now, the UN, the US congress, the US senate, the whitehouse, the mayors and upper staff of all major cities, media moguls, military, religious, and so on, can be analyzed via this software.

They all have a huge record of recorded interactions.

And they WILL stick out like a sore thumb.

For example, that a person cannot be a police officer unless they can pass a 'four quadrant' test.

An actual 'real' police officer is not about being cold and killing people, or belonging to a gang of similar (police) who feel that they are the real people and all others are not. It is about the exact opposite, about being in the people, of the people, by the people, for the people.

A real and actual police officer is about being empathetic and being for the people. most of us have encountered these real police officers. And we wonder where they have all gone, and we are now confronted with a wall of stony machine like sociopaths, in police uniforms.

This can put an end to that fascist nightmare and projection that emergent technology has provided them, under cover of secrecy and night and might, to try and wholly overpower and control humanity, to twist it all to their desires.

This technology gives us the avenue and the methods to raze them right back down to the source points.

As for those who never see the public light...and will remain hidden in the backdrop....well..they need sociopaths and psychopaths to do their bidding, in the public space. Empathetic human being would not touch their plans or desires, or be involved. Not with a thousand foot pole.

This thread, and all in it, will shut that door of utilization of such damaged people. Hard.

[Mad Hatter]

Posted by Flash (here)
How do we change the sheeple mentality about these?

Donning the lateral thinking cap for a mo...

What would it take to get a 'Mattersight' into the hands of a comedian for use on prime time at say election time?

Could Icke's TV channel be a possible avenue for introducing the usefulness of such technology to the masses?

& BUMP

[GreenGuy]

Posted by Carmody (here)
To brain-scan every entry, and then place them in designated areas, according to their wiring type. To separate the true sociopath, from the rest of the prison population.

The rest of the population will immediately settle down and then one can move toward actual and real rehabilitation of those who can be rehabilitated.

Right now, the mess is so bad, in most prisons and most countries, that the sociopaths, the true ones, are so bad, that they end up creating a permanent mess inside of those prisons.

With the brain-scanning and proper placement, the ability to reduce the prison population will be able to emerge from said mess. And that the true group who, by their wiring, cannot be rehabilitated, they can be properly contained.

Besides prison, the places where sociopaths congregate are governments, churches, and large financial institutions and corporate conglomerates. Banks and corporations are private-sector, but the government is not. So I propose we also brain-scan everyone in government, from the level of school board all the way to the top levels, and weed out the sociopaths. We can then place these people in isolation along with those already in prison, while creating employment for those getting out by putting them in the jobs that the sociopaths vacated.

Surely the results would be at least as good as what we're getting now.

[Curt]

The potential for abuse of this tech is huge. Must be careful.

Plus, you might find there is a spectrum of sociopathy. And that folk with 'borderline' personalities may or may not be caught up in the net.

Also, there are shades of 'scientific dictatorship by degree' in the suggestion of scanning prisoners. They're often the first stop for 'testing'.

[Curt]

Also, however foolproof the tech may be, it wil still be applied by human beings. It will be interpreted and read by human beings. And it will have been designed by human beings as well.

It could be a valuable tool as part of a more comprehensive vetting process. It could be valuable as 'one tool among many'.

But as a single silver bullet solution, it could be dangerous.

[Curt]

It strikes me now, too, that this tech could by used by a single group of sociopaths to gain control over all their sociopathic competition.

It could be used by the real rulers, i.e., those who would never be subjected to testing, by virtue of their being unknown to us, to 'selectively' take out or gain leverage over the sociopaths who are visible in the public eye.

So, it could end up being a tool of the very people who we would like to see stopped.

And even more broadly speaking, the possibility of 'selective enforcement', could throw a massive monkey wrench into the system, potentially making the testing more dangerous than it might be helpful.

Just a few things to consider.

[Carmody]

Yes, all these things need be considered.

There is no doubt of any kind that such a set of tools would a target of manipulation. That is the nature of this reality and what is going on.

But, our tools of analysis of self and other must increase to a new level, regarding how humanity is unfolding. Otherwise this set of tools remains hidden and used against us in a method of someone else's unfolding, someone else's set of more public introductions and methodologies.

My original posting in this thread was addressing these points.

I said that this is coming regardless..... and if you don't consciously drive it.......then someone else will.

Those given other groups, will unfold it into their advantage, not yours.

to not let that happen and begin the process of driving it.. so it can be used to show their hand, methods, and tools.

[anonymous]

my privacy standards have changed - 5/10/16 - apologies for the many edits of public comments

[Flash]

Posted by David Michael (here)
What about the choice these sociopath's still have. For example, the doctor who discovered he was a sociopath... but he wasn't acting criminal. What if he went away on 'petty' charges, only to be classified as 'sociopathic' and then he is thrown in with the rest, lost, and ate, by 'the system'...

What if despite how he was 'born', he wanted to break the mold, and change, for the better? Let's throw him in anyway :-) I mean, he is a sociopath... this may have already been addressed =P

I'm just glad that I didn't get stuck in there. That is what to be scared of!

Like you said, this, as with anything, needs to be regulated and protected from corruption. Hopefully the corrupt don't become the regulators, again.

No problem, he can become what he wants and change towards the better as long as he has no position of power over others. Simple. Psychopaths and sociopaths are lacking something in the brain and it seems to be coming from a genetic input. If that could be remedied, no problems either, but for the moment, the biological component cannot be remedied.

So no position of power over others would be the solution. Like in the monkey troup, look at the video.

[anonymous]

my privacy standards have changed - 5/10/16 - apologies for the many edits of public comments

[Flash]

Posted by David Michael (here)

Posted by Flash (here)

Posted by David Michael (here)
What about the choice these sociopath's still have. For example, the doctor who discovered he was a sociopath... but he wasn't acting criminal. What if he went away on 'petty' charges, only to be classified as 'sociopathic' and then he is thrown in with the rest, lost, and ate, by 'the system'...

What if despite how he was 'born', he wanted to break the mold, and change, for the better? Let's throw him in anyway :-) I mean, he is a sociopath... this may have already been addressed =P

I'm just glad that I didn't get stuck in there. That is what to be scared of!

Like you said, this, as with anything, needs to be regulated and protected from corruption. Hopefully the corrupt don't become the regulators, again.

No problem, he can become what he wants and change towards the better as long as he has no position of power over others. Simple. Psychopaths and sociopaths are lacking something in the brain and it seems to be coming from a genetic input. If that could be remedied, no problems either, but for the moment, the biological component cannot be remedied.

So no position of power over others would be the solution. Like in the monkey troup, look at the video.

Of course he could change, but if classified and stuck in prison with the non changing sociopaths....

IMO the biological component can be remedied. Decide to change. Physiological effects will follow...

I am sorry David, only partly true for the physiological . Ask those who have played with our genes for milleniums. Not that easy, it may take another millenium if we act now, to reverse it.

As for prison, we are not advocating this unless there is unlawfull stuff like huge funds embezzlement. But with no positon of power possible to these psychopaths, there would not be major funds embezzlement. Just a few crazy enough to kill would go to prison. The rest would lead a productive life, but not with power over others in any form.

[lelmaleh]

Still seems like sociopaths would need continual monitoring of some sort as, by nature they manipulate to gain power over, wherever they are. It would take some resources and vigilance to do this.

[anonymous]

my privacy standards have changed - 5/10/16 - apologies for the many edits of public comments

[DNA]

Posted by Carmody (here)

Posted by DNA (here)
Sociopaths are almost never in a position to make real decisions as far as running the world goes, they just make good front men as politicians.

You made a statement, as if it is fact.

In reality it is a feeling you are projecting into being a reality, for the rest of us.

I must strongly disagree that your statement is factual.

What we have here is enough circumstantial evidence, to show that the situation is as stated, that it is not just probable, but very very very very likely (small to non-existent margin of error) that the world is being run not by what appears to be apex predators, but people who are in effect 'retarded'. People with damaged brains and damaged minds, which are passed down through generation after generation. And that they mix with one another, they collude with one another, as that is who they identify with, same as anyone else. They work, associate, and travel in packs. They breed with one another, it was and is inevitable.

That is what the evidence of the world condition, in all the branches of politics, corporate, finance, military (religion is definitely not excluded) and so on..all the results say this, directly.

They are not strong willed apex predators, they are damaged goods. Retarded, in all possible directions and meanings of the factual sense of the word 'retarded'.

And they have to be removed from positions of power and influence, for the rest of humanity's sake.

Yesterday, if not sooner.

Sociopaths can be quite intelligent and as a rule along with not having empathy they are without the constraints of being socialized to the extent that most of us with empathy are socialized.

Though it was Hitler that led Nazi Germany into commiting the holocaust, the citizens that went right along with this practice were not sociopaths, they were properly brain washed with propaganda, patriotism and nationalism.


Now here is the weird thing.
Sociopaths are the least susceptable to this kind of brain washing.
As such many times sociopaths are your best bet in leading a group of people out of bondage against the propaganda of tyranny and oppression that is inherent in large population societies.

I doubt this will be popular, but it is my guess that Martin Luther King Jr. was a sociopath.
Look at the wonderfull good MLK did.
He exhibited all the tell tale traits of a sociopath; charisma, intelligence, a fearless public speaker, and according to tells of his infidelity a flagrent disregard for the rules.

It is my opinion that Socrates was a sociopath. One of the key reason Socrates was put to death was because of how strongly opinionated he was in his arguments against the prevailing religion and politics of his day.


It is also my contention that sociopaths are not a case of a being that is physically handicapped, I believe that sociopaths are specific "SOUL TYPES" and that the EKG readings that show physical characteristics are mirroring the Soul's characteristics.


I believe that young soul sociopaths are capable of some of the greatest harm in our world, but I also believe that old soul sociopaths are capable of some of the greatest good in our world.


I believe that what this thread asks "that sociopaths be identified and quarantined" has already been done.
This is why the prison population of the United States is the highest in the world.
The powers that be have insured there will be no revolt by locking up the people who would have been the most likely to fight what they are doing.

What you ask I'm afraid, has already been done.

[Carmody]

And here's the thing.

You are also exactly wrong.

As for the population of the prisons being as large as it is, that is a complex matter that involves Freemasons, private corporations, political power, subversion of governments, subversion of legal systems, black ops financing, societal controls, propaganda, paranoia induction, casus belli (fake created reasons for creating prison populations), creation of divide in society to facilitate all of the above situations, via said situations, and so on.

It took many people a lot of work to expose the reasons for the size of the prison population in the USA. One major contributor is Joseph Farrell's conclusional books, which are an overview of the depth of the situation, which is based on the research work of others and his own research. Part of his books illustrate the depth of the matter and it's connectivity. Why such prison populations exist.

He has illustrated that the situation in the USA involves control of society and using it as a mule to be a labor and cash cow and a created division to keep society culled and cornered, at the same time it is bringing this money in.

Control, division, appearance of satisfying multiple factions of thinking, all while getting their way in multiple others. There is no simple 5 minute sound bite method of explaining all of this.

I read a bit recently that illustrated that TED talks may be nice, but in reality they are 5-10-15 minute sound bites of people making themselves feel 'clever' as they have not the depth to actually do anything. Which is a valid criticism of how they appear to be in their effectiveness, as measured over time.

So no, no 10 minute synopsis of what is going to happen here, is going to be valid enough to derail it.

The conclusion is that the prison populations exist at such high levels, in order to control society and finance the black ops required to get into using the project paperclip scientists that came from Germany in the second world war (about 7000 of them)(and their own original programs and scientific work).

To have drug laws that are draconian, so that they people can be put into prisons and money made that way, to control the population with the draconian polarized situation, and to make the money via the introduction of the drugs and controlling the creation points as well. Thus Colombia, Afghanistan, the golden triangle, and so on.

Control natural resources, control legal systems, control governments in various countries, control the precious metal production, control the drug trade at all levels, and so on. Even to control the finances and the financial systems, which is what happened when the US and other governments allowed their espionage groups to get into the drug and war systems. Their espionage groups became the financial arms of the countries. That the bankers have less control than you might understand at this time in your explorations of what is what and who is who.

It has to do with the creation of a system of dark government, to enslave humanity's efforts and energies, out of sight of the public eye and mind, so enough funds and energies could be found to enable black ops projects..to begin the process of copying and attempting to exceed ET technology.

In a nutshell, that's it. To enable and create a paranoid level of 'full spectrum dominance'. A breakaway civilization, based on finding it's own energy, by crushing and grinding humanity's less aware and purposely 'held in ignorance' population. To use the war and finance control schemes they have used for thousands of years, in concert, together, to create a high technology breakaway civilization. That's what it is all about. The whole damn thing.

That the bulk of humanity is turned into road paste and fuel for the fire of creating this 'full spectrum dominance' High technology breakaway civilization. The use of their usual methods, as that is what they are made of, is the sociopaths and the psychopaths..who are purposely as enabled and helped and connected as is possible, in order to get it done. A high technology breakaway civilization based on being almost wholly self-serving paranoid sociopaths.

I can't even begin to express the level of research that it would take to explain all of this, so that the average man can understand it. I'm not sure it can be done, which is why we are in the situation that we are in. Suffice it to say, we are dealing with complex systems of control, and dark espionage, that goes back, in effect, for thousands of years, and involve groups that have worked hand in hand for many centuries and also new associations and groups, that all of this is still evolving and changing, but based upon the same tyranny and insanity of control that it has for those thousands of years.

One of their favorite tools for controlling societies and groups is the utilization of sociopaths and psychopaths. Those are the foot soldiers of the control grid. Be they actual hired killers, or bankers and politicians, or at any level of this complex and highly evolved control grid.

We now have, finally....a clear and definite capacity to identify and corral the footsoldiers, the fixers and the enablers of the control grid of this matrix.

And in effect, do you want to try and derail it, by making specious distracting arguments about Socrates and MLK, and inaccurate and uninformed claims or arguments about the US prison system?

[Atlas]

Posted by Vitalux (here)
Where do we draw the line in a human being where we can call them a sociopath

When they are 10%...20%...30%...50%...80%..90 %....

Good point.
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