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    Default Re: Brainscans and prisoners: Outing the sociopaths and the domino effect

    Privacy should not be a concern here – we have no privacy at this time. What we have is secrecy, which notably includes the secret invasion of privacy. Hence any sense of privacy is limited to our ignorance of what is really going on. The existence of remote viewing and telepathy means that true privacy can only be bestowed and obtained through the ethical use of ‘technology’ – by deliberately looking away. The ethical use of technology would also appear to impose certain procedures that may possibly be viewed as an invasion of privacy, in that personal information is imparted that so far has remained secret. But put this in the broader picture of the general good, whereby we increase our current quasi-nonexistent level of privacy to something more acceptable, and you understand the ethics of a seemingly unethical move. The lie is in making people think they have something to lose: they have nothing to lose, and everything to gain.

    Ethics are not carved in stone, which is not to say that anything goes. We already know that they do not always coincide with religious morals. We sometimes need a little flexibility to see things differently, otherwise we are rigidly submitting to fear-based instinctive behaviour patterns. The fact that a just society can have laws at all is a paradox when one considers that such a society engages in acts of coercion which would be unethical on an individual level.

    We need to take back the slogan, ‘If you have done nothing, then you have nothing to fear’. We are talking about people who have ‘done nothing’. And so they must have nothing ‘to fear’. It a matter of helping them to be useful to society in ways suited to their talents. For example, in the olden days, a British bobby had to be a certain height in order to impose his gentle authority without the need for guns and tasers. Nowadays the height requirement is seen as discrimination against the ‘vertically challenged’, so now, while a shorter man can become a policeman, he may well be incompetent to perform the original task, especially if he brings to it a chip on his shoulder from being small.

    These days, anyone can become anything. You see people with master’s degrees who never studied for a bachelor’s – there are back doors to everything. And in fact, most people are competent to do most jobs inasmuch as they tend to involve pumping statistics into a computer, making them up if you don’t have any real ones. But like phony money, these stats are being acted upon as if they were meaningful. Hence the entire fabric of western ‘civilization’ is the handiwork of incompetents behaving like madmen. This is the psychopathic tendency that is being cultivated in all of us to make the real thing almost unidentifiable. Which is really why we need psychopathic screening: in order to weed out the millions of false positives and bring normal people back to their senses.


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    Quote Posted by Carmody (here)
    It can be seen to be coming into shape.

    Johns Hopkins Introduces Database of Children's Brain Scans

    Over the last year, it seems as if the technological control grid has been kicked in to high speed as various forms of biometrics, transhumanism, smart grids, the internet of things and neuroscience merge closer and closer together. Indeed, it would be naïve to suggest that this was not the goal all along. However, the fact that these “new” technologies are now being connected together in public view suggests that society in general is further along the path to the full implementation of the total surveillance system and electronic dictatorship than anyone may have initially believed.

    For instance, it has recently been announced that Johns Hopkins University is in the process of creating a Google-style searchable digital library of children’s brain scans. The project will be supported by a grant from the National Institutes of Health to the tune of $600,000 over three years under the guise of an attempt to greater assist doctors in the diagnosis of irregularities occurring in the brain. Doctors will also be able to compare the brain scans in order to identify changes in brain structure and, hopefully, identify diseases even earlier.

    As Michael Miller, a Johns Hopkins biomedical engineering professor and the lead researcher for the program states, “We're creating a pediatric-brain data bank that will let doctors look at MRI brain scans of children who have already been diagnosed with illnesses like epilepsy or psychiatric disorders. It will provide a way to share important new discoveries about how changes in brain structures are linked to brain disorders.”

    At the present time, the database only holds about 5,000 brain scans and only from children treated at Johns Hopkins. According to Anne-Marie Alcantara of Mashable.com, the scans are indexed and arranged into 22 different categories such as, psychiatric disorders, chromosomal abnormalities, vascular diseases, congenital malformations, infections, or epilepsy.



    “Due to the high volume of information in the database, researchers believe it will help physicians easily recognize and classify pediatric brain disorders, as well as reclassify and identify new brain diseases,” Alcantara writes.

    As reported by The Hub, the news center from Johns Hopkins, the researchers, along with Marilyn Albert, a Johns Hopkins professor of neurology, the institution is attempting to expand this database to include the elderly as well.

    Johnathan Lewin, chief radiologist at Johns Hopkins Hospital has stated that “This research is one of the first real applications of big-data analytics, taking medical information from large numbers of patients, removing anything that would identify specific individuals and then bringing the data into the cloud to allow very high-powered analysis.”

    Although there is no mention of patient consent in the press release, one hopes (but one does not expect) that the individuals whose brain scans are added into the database are asked their permission before doing so.

    Another issue, however, is the ability of the medical establishment to upload such images to a database which is then uploaded to the Cloud, for other researchers to peruse. While it could scarcely be argued that such a development is a purely negative one, it should raise the eyebrows of anyone who is concerned about privacy and the growing web of interconnected systems in seemingly unrelated fields.

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    More at link. Be aware. Make it work for you, as it will probably not be possible to stop it. But to move it, to shift it... to make it work for the people.
    The idea is great, if the brain scans ARE NOT in the hands of the psychopaths. But we know very well, right now, that the society is psychopatic because it is led by psychopaths who want to control, possess and have power on everything. These, with brain scans, would root out empathic individuals. It would be exactly what we propose to root out psychopaths, but used to root out empathy and love instead.

    This is precisely why this thread is SO important. How do we make the general public aware of what is actually taking place, actually going on. How do we reverse of change the machine. The survival and further development of the specie towards a spiritually evolving potential is at stake. The whole specie project is at stake.

    What is being fought is POWER VERSUS LOVE. PSYCHOPAHY VERSUS EMPATHY. Which of both worlds have most chances of success and pursuing it development.

    Which of both has more chances of achieving universal wisdom.

    Psychopathy will always end into dead ends, it will always end into developmental and spiritual cul de sac.

    Humans, with or without some outside help, have always chosen hierarchies, power and psychopatic leaders. Even if in their heart it is not what they would will. How loud do we have to scream to make it understood "now chose differently, this is a dead end". Scanning psychopaths out of power is one solution, before they scan loving empathetic humans out.

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    Default Re: Brainscans and prisoners: Outing the sociopaths and the domino effect

    Just bumping this, as a question was asked by a recently deceased union leader, Bob crow. A forum member has started a thread on this person. Bob asked:

    Quote “If you can find all this money to destroy society, why can’t you use it to construct society?”
    This thread, explains the origins, the act and the system of controls in place (maintenance of the enablers and actors in this system/scenario), as to the 'why' of his question.

    This thread is about cutting the legs out from under the mechanism that enables the war machine. So that it can ever operate again. So that it no longer pollutes humanity's future. It's about humanity finding the sense in the direction that is possible.
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    Default Re: Brainscans and prisoners: Outing the sociopaths and the domino effect

    bumping this thread - watching what's been happening,


    http://psychopathyawareness.wordpres...e-and-deceive/ - how PsychoPaths manipulate others in order to gain power, admiration, emotion and charge from others..


    "8. Playing upon your Emotions. Very often, when confronted with alternative accounts of what happened, psychopaths play upon your emotions. For example, if his girlfriend compares notes with the wife, a psychopath is likely to ask his wife:

    Who are you going to believe? Me or her?”

    "This reestablishes complicity with the wife against the girlfriend, testing the wife’s love and loyalty to him. It also functions as a subterfuge.

    "That way he (the suppressive monster) doesn’t have to address the information offered by the other source.

    "To anybody whose judgment remains unclouded by the manipulations of a psychopath, the answer should be quite obvious.

    "Just about any person, even your garden-variety cheater and liar, is far more credible than a psychopath. "

    good link check it out - then put in perspective when you feel your emotions are being manipulated - what they do with that "energy" you create is the subject of another thread

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    Default Re: Brainscans and prisoners: Outing the sociopaths and the domino effect

    When the psychopath tries to "convince you" they are your friend, and are the "top dog" able to see above the rest.. to play upon your desire to find "truth"..

    "Psychopaths are Losers who view themselves as Leaders. As we’ve seen, unless there’s a specific advantage for him, a psychopath never admits to being wrong, to doing wrong, to having wronged anyone.

    "Whatever he does wrong to others–cheating, lying, manipulation, hurting them emotionally and physically–he manages to project blame on the victims and on those around them.

    "In fact, the psychopath will see his cowardly actions as superior; on a higher plane of existence than the rest of humanity.

    "Rather than seeing himself as the pathological person that he is–essentially, a Loser who spends his life parasitically using and taking advantage of others–the psychopath is likely to see and describe himself as a maverick: a lone dissenter, a willfully independent hero “ahead of the pack,” who rejects the dated and commonplace notions of right and wrong and of truth and falsehood.

    "Ethical human beings, who care about others, are considered by the psychopath and his followers “moralistic” and “narrow-minded”.

    "Like the Nietzschean Superman, the psychopath considers himself beyond the norms of good and evil: except, of course, when it comes to double standards, since no psychopath would want others to use, manipulate, deride and hurt him as he does them.

    "The underlying narcissism that leads the psychopath to focus only on his desires, pleasures and needs also blinds him to his faults and protects him from self-blame.

    "He reframes reality to fit with his narcissistic delusions.

    "Sleaziness, violence, stalking and perversion--sadistic games played at other people’s expense–are framed as “hedonism”, ”childlike innocence and playfulness” or “libertine freedom”.

    "Lies are re-framed as “creative interpretations of reality” or clever “modes of persuasion”.

    "Manipulativeness, slander and back-stabbing become, in his deranged mind, “Machiavellianism” or “cunning”.

    "As the psychopath’s idiotic grins which often accompany his malicious actions reveal time after time, his behavior and intentions are as far removed from “childlike” or “harmless fun” as possible.

    Freedom” too is a meaningless concept, given that his main goal is to trample on the freedom and rights of others.

    "He intends to control and harm others: control by harming them, to be precise."

    Don't let your emotions be trampled on is something to keep in mind it seems to me. I would think that one would be wise to take some time and look at the above, and measure what you are feeling against the messages given to you, the program given to you to react to. Why let your energy be used by a psychopath?

    ref: http://psychopathyawareness.wordpres...hic-seduction/ - the seduction from the psychopath, how they trap


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    I have had the misfortune of being stalked since the late 90's by a psychopath, and had many run-ins with 3-4 others.

    On the link below, they provide two lists of psychopathy traits that i found to be very accurate. The Hare Checklist fit all of them to a "T", while Checkley's list was only off in listing an (2) Absence of delusions and other signs of irrational thinking and an (3) Absence of anxiety or other “neurotic” symptoms.

    In all the psychopaths I have known, both absences only exist in the getting-to-know-you stage. Once they feel they have you 'hooked', then they reveal striking delusions/irrational thinking (particularly non-sequitors) and their anxiety and other neurosis are most evidenced by ramping up contact by emails and phone calls on trivial matters that have often already been addressed.

    http://psychopathyawareness.wordpres...athy-symptoms/

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    What is this thread about? Actions, acts, motions and flow. Eventualities.... and dominoes.

    For those who 'doth protesteth', I think your ideals are in need of adjustment to the realities that are in front of you. This is not about act and actions done in anger, it's about closing loopholes and reaching points in finality that are wholly inescapable, as the vessel, the avatar of inclusion of this type, is no longer in the human gene pool.

    Do not be emotional, and project upon me, that I speak of ugly things. I do not. What they are, must be recognized, known, and curtailed, otherwise..humanity has no future.

    You can go back to the stone ages and learn this again, or...you can go forward... and, due to the clarity of need, reality and requirement... end the sociopath and their capacity - that currently resides/hides among you.

    The sociopath will never sleep, they will never stop, never reform, never quit.... never. Every other way has been tired, for thousands upon thousands of years. Now, the technology that the sociopath uses to try and turn you into slaves and fodder for the fields (wholesale murder), is the same technology that can be used to excise them from humanity.

    The universe presents this quandary of a requirement to self govern - in front of you. The latest test for humanity.

    Those are your options.

    I don't particularly like saying these things. I don't particularly enjoy being targeted. I'd rather go off and live in the woods, or run off to some other country and just leave people to their well deserved pile of doo that they are going to run into like a deaf/dumb/blind drunk walking into the path of a freight train. People slept, people were lulled into sleep. They were dumb enough to let people govern, dumb enough to let them govern with no oversight. Foolish enough to trust words that have no purchase beyond words... as good folks...they live by their words and project the same honest fundamentals upon others. Others like sociopaths who live---otherwise.

    The lesson is clear, if one allows themselves to see it.

    That's the thing about governance in democracies, it attracts the wrong people. The thing about government is that you never allow weak points, you never allow the removal of penalties in the realm of accountability, and your never give a politician an even break. Never leave room for a sleight of hand in anything and you never drop your guard, for a second, as long as you are alive. If you even blink, corruption will step in, as that is what It lives for, that is it's entire point of existence. Sociopaths live for the room, the opportunity.. to operate. It is what they do, what they are.

    And America... allowed itself to sleep. It believed it's own press, it believed it's own lies.

    Well....look at you now.





    How serious is it? People are even afraid to look into this thread, or to thank a post.

    No. Moral. Backbone.

    If you don't find one, it will cost you everything.
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    Default Re: Brainscans and prisoners: Outing the sociopaths and the domino effect

    If we finally get rid of psychopaths to lead this world, and have decent people instead, this speech will go down in history.

    Quote No. Moral. Backbone.

    If you don't find one, it will cost you everything.
    And theses sentences above will go down in history of other races than humans, about humans, if we do not move our arses and shut the door to psychopaths.

    I would add Carmody, if you allow me, lack of basic intelligence: head intelligence to be able to discern and moslly heart intelligences which makes discernment automatic, and then lack of will to act upon what one has seen.
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    One thing I have learned about psycho/sociopaths: they are the problem.

    Why does the govt. let pollution destroy the planet? Because psychopaths are in charge.

    Why do corporations allow their product development to kill people and destroy the planet? Because psychopaths are in charge.

    Why do Priests get away with pedophile attacks? Because psychopaths are in charge.

    Why do schools create lockdown situations and arrest parents for being concerned? Because psychopaths are in charge.

    Why are the police turning into militant swat teams? Because psychopaths are in charge.

    Yes, I am stating what I see as the universal problem. Despite a low percentage of the population (is it really only 5%?) psycho/sociopaths have enough ambition and desire to be "at the top," are charismatic enough to fool the majority of people, and can mimic true intelligence enough to convince people they are worthy, that the 5% is way over represented in the power positions.

    It isn't only in real time that we deal with psychopaths. They are definitely here among us on Avalon as well as other forums. In fact, I was kicked off the Webbot Forum specifically because I tried to alert members to the very real danger we face from psychopaths. Until the day I wrote a post about them soon after I started learning, I was a respected and valued member of the forum. That day, persecution started. Most of the members couldn't see it, just as psychopaths manage to hide from all but their victims in real time.

    Thomas Sheridan, despite the scandals that have since been clouding his Internet presence, got one idea very, very right: No Contact Ever Again. I am SO much better off since "Foxx" AKA Dan, AKA whoever he really is, banned me entirely from the forum - without even bothering to come up with an excuse for doing so. That is a very unhealthy place now being run exclusively by the fox in the henhouse.

    A psycho/sociopath does not have to be the CEO of a company or the president of the US. He just has to be the power behind his own little world. The Webbot Forum is a little world. A church is its own little world. An elementary school classroom with a group of victims ie. kindergartners is its own little world.

    Brain scans can definitively diagnose a psycho/sociopath. This could happen before a person enters the workforce - as a teen. Because it involves the brain's reaction to scenes conveying emotion, it might not be effective on babies or small children. But at least a psycho/sociopath could be stopped before doing harm to the world at large!

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    Default Re: Brainscans and prisoners: Outing the sociopaths and the domino effect

    ....I agree snowflower, nice post.

    Only problem about brain scanning folks to screen for psychopathy? The psychopaths are in charge

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    Default Re: Brainscans and prisoners: Outing the sociopaths and the domino effect

    Quote Posted by donk (here)
    The psychopaths are in charge(
    And we want to be able to say 'The psychopaths are on charge' - i.e. at least some of them on criminal charges, it's only a tiny difference. How is this to be done? By slipping in a line of legislation at 2am on Christmas Eve for example? A means will be found when the will to do it becomes unstoppable. Until then, we will it to happen.


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    Good question Araucaria, maybe we should brain storm on how it should be done.

    Carmody had started by thinking of implementing the scan in jail for prisoner and employees.

    What else could be done?

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    My personal opinion on it is that there is zero hope to avoid total collapse of the entire structure of civilization. The psychopaths have succeeded in destroying civilization, but Gaia will have the final say in the restructuring of a new age.

    My personal hope is that the vibrations of the planet change enough that either they will gradually die off and not be replaced or it will be impossible for them to hide behind charisma and charm, because we will see them with eyes of knowing.

    I believe it is already happening. Three years ago, I had no idea they were so prevalent. Now, I can often spot one in the initial conversation. More and more people are seeing them. The worst victimizing I suffered from one put me in jail for a night, and I don't think I will ever again be so taken in. It's much harder the closer to home it is (relatives). But, I do believe that over the course of time, Gaia will triumph. My reason for this optimism is the number of different cultures that promise a Golden Age after the shift, and a Golden Age is simply not possible with the current hierarchical structure of the planet. As long as psycho/sociopaths can hide their true nature from humans, there will be no peace and we have been promised peace for millennia.

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    A good article on brainscans are showing physical locations where issues occur..

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2014...problems-begin


    "The map shows where genes are turned on and off throughout the entire brain at about the midpoint of pregnancy, a time when critical structures are taking shape, researchers reported Wednesday in the journal Nature.

    "It's a pretty big leap," says Ed Lein, an investigator at the Allen Institute for Brain Science in Seattle who played a central role in creating the map. "Basically, there was no information of this sort prior to this project."

    "Having a map like this is important because many psychiatric and behavioral problems appear to begin before birth, "even though they may not manifest until teenage years or even the early 20s," says Dr. Thomas Insel, director of the National Institute of Mental Health."

    "The resulting map, which is available to anyone who wants to use it, has already led to at least two important findings, Lein says. "The first is that many genes that are associated with brain disorders are turned on early in development, which suggests that these disorders may have their origin from these very early time points."

    http://www.brainspan.org/ - specific references to "BrainSpan Atlas of the Developing Human Brain

    "The BrainSpan atlas is a foundational resource for studying transcriptional mechanisms involved in human brain development."

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    Quote Posted by Carmody (here)

    The sociopath will never sleep, they will never stop, never reform, never quit.... never. Every other way has been tired, for thousands upon thousands of years. Now, the technology that the sociopath uses to try and turn you into slaves and fodder for the fields (wholesale murder), is the same technology that can be used to excise them from humanity.
    Carmody, Thankyou for opening up a brave and fascinating topic. I agree that the sociopath lives to enjoy their malevolence and will never stop. I have known many. They may do some good, to pass as normal, to get ahead, to achieve applause which their narcissistic side may like, but it is never enough for them. Their real thrill is destruction of others and feeling superior. It is their substitute for love, since they can not feel it. It is their punishment to the rest of us for us being able to feel love, empathy, unity... something they never do. They only pretend to sometimes.

    The question behind the scanning or not scanning for evil ones, is, what will be done with them? Put them on an island together to live like the emotional lepers they are? Or just put them to sleep, permanently. The problem is, to ask the 90% empathic majority to kill or vanquish is not in their true nature. Whom of us could strangle a hitler, even if we knew they were going to exterminate a million people? This is a huge moral dilemma.

    The irony is, that if the tables were turned, the sociopaths would round up all the empaths and have a grand ole time slaughtering them.

    So when will they be dethroned, taken out of positions of power? When the empaths grow some iron balls and steel cunts and we decide the planet is more important and they have to go. It's way overdue.

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    If we acquiesce to total surveillance by powerful sociopaths, then we abandon the potential to effective and sustained resistance. The bastards in power will be able to detect our first efforts that threaten their control, and will be able to stomp us out quickly, whether it is the efforts of one individual, or of a group, that they are "terminating."

    One does not consent to live in chains in the closed room of a mass murderer, on the grounds that "well ... he hasn't killed me yet."

    Mass surveillance is not about solving legitimate, moral, constitutional crimes. If it was, one might tolerate it on the grounds that one is not a criminal. In the eyes of the bastards in power, we are always criminals if and when we threaten their control. They define what's a crime, not us. Their law is just another means to their end -- total dominance.

    Mass surveillance is the first step of mass tyranny. In any war, if one side's intelligence has massive penetration of their enemy, even before the other side knows they are the enemy, the war is essentially already decided.

    We are the enemy of the bastards in power. We are having our greater numbers turned against us by those bastards, using their mastery of propaganda, and guided by their mass surveillance of us, both collectively and individually.
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    Quote Posted by Snowflower (here)
    My personal opinion on it is that there is zero hope to avoid total collapse of the entire structure of civilization. The psychopaths have succeeded in destroying civilization, but Gaia will have the final say in the restructuring of a new age.
    Civilization is the very concept that we need to be demolishing. It is the mother of all sacred cows and “total collapse” of its “entire structure” is exactly what we need. Daniel Quinn calls it “the killer meme”. If I string together two previous posts I made, it will be seen just how difficult this is going to be, and just how many treasures of civilization we need to walk away from.
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    In books like Ishmael or Beyond Civilization, Daniel Quinn describes the killer meme of ‘civilization’ in various terms, such as Takers, Hierarchalism, Pyramid builders etc. ‘Lost’ civilizations like the Maya, he says, did not disappear but simply walked away from this model, just as we now need to walk away into what he calls a New Tribal Revolution.

    Quote Daniel Quinn teaches that no single person is going to save the world. Rather (if it’s saved at all), it will be saved by millions (and ultimately billions) of us living a new way. A thousand living a new way won’t cause the dominant world order to topple. But that thousand will inspire a hundred thousand, who will inspire a million, who will inspire a billion – and then that world order will begin to look shaky! (p.152)
    What Quinn describes as the killer meme is that ‘civilization must continue at ANY cost and not be abandoned under ANY circumstance’. The cure is dead simple: the Maya for example, who are supposed to have simply vanished, actually just walked away from what they were building when they no longer liked it. They had been building new pyramids over old pyramids for thousands of years.
    Quote The worker hordes who built the pyramids of Mesoamerica were not more miserable than the ones who the pyramids of Egypt. The workers of Mesoamerica merely perceived themselves as having an alternative to misery, which they eventually exercised (by walking away). We didn’t, so we slogged on, building a ziggurat here, a Great Wall there, a bastille here, a Maginot Line there–and on and on and on–to the present moment, when our pyramids are not being built at Giza or Saqqara but rather at Exxon and Du Pont and Coca Cola and Proctor & Gamble and McDonald’s.
    I visit many classrooms, and the students one way or another always bring me round to a point where I ask how many of them are champing at the bit to get out there and start working on the pyramids their parents worked on throughout their lives and their parents before them. The question makes them uneasy, because they know they’re supposed to be absolutely thrilled at the prospect of going out there to flip burgers and pump gas and stock shelves in the real world. Everyone’s told them they’re the luckiest kids on earth–parents, teachers, textbooks–and they feel disloyal not waving their hands at me. But they don’t. (p.51)
    Walking away from the pyramid is not that easy because it involves leaving behind things we consider most sacred, including heritage that we invest heavily in preserving at all costs. Stay tuned.
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    Life is about moving on, and the well-nigh indestructible pyramids are the ultimate in jamming on the brakes. That they have spawned a myriad theories and remain hypnotically fascinating merely serves to mask the fact that life is about moving on.

    We find the same thing with MH370: a moving object has been stopped in its tracks, and this too has spawned a myriad theories and has become hypnotically fascinating.

    Our museums are full of this sort of stuff: indeed that is what they are for. No sooner was the Berlin War pulled down than museums were seeking to purchase pieces for display. The most interesting bits had artwork on the western side.
    http://www.memorial-caen.fr/mur_de_b...expocybu06.htm

    So when the concrete starts crumbling, they will have to think about preserving it somehow. Sounds crazy? Well, it doesn’t sound quite so crazy when you consider that the same is happening with our art treasures; but maybe that’s a mistake. These artistic chunks of wall are highly paradoxical items, signifying freedom on a support that seen from the other side stood for an end to freedom. We cannot separate the one from the other, so for the sake of the one we keep the other as well. Much great art, being likewise a contestation of the wall on which it is mounted, bears similarities to a window, letting in light and air and the otherwise invisible. But it still marks the boundary between an inside and an outside. Total freedom means walking through a door and being outside, rather than depicting the outside from inside. Hence less art is more art.

    Take Leonardo da Vinci, perhaps the greatest artist of the last millennium and whose tiny output makes his works even more precious. And yet paradoxically, much of his work was unfinished. Vasari in his Lives of the Artists, tries to explain:
    Quote Clearly, it was because of his profound knowledge of painting that Leonardo started so many things without finishing them; for he was convinced that his hands, for all their skill, could never perfectly express the subtle and wonderful ideas of his imagination. Among his many interests was included the study of nature; he investigated the properties of plants and then observed the motions of the heavens, the path of the moon, and the course of the sun.
    This segment contains a paradox and an apparent non sequitur. It is paradoxical for a ‘profound knowledge of painting’ to lead to unfinished work; and what has his imagination to do with nature after close examination? Answer: nature is profoundly unfinished and painting in its adequate relationship to nature will also be so.

    Take a work that has spawned a myriad theories and remains hypnotically fascinating (it cropped up again only the other day on this forum): The Last Supper. I am going to offer one of my own: you read it here first. Here is Vasari:

    Quote Leonardo also executed in Milan, for the Dominicans of Santa Maria delle Grazie, a marvelous and beautiful painting of the Last Supper. Having depicted the heads of the Apostles full of splendour and majesty, he deliberately left the head of Christ unfinished, convinced he would fail to give it the divine spirituality it demands. This all but finished work has ever since been held in the greatest veneration by the Milanese and others. In it Leonardo brilliantly succeeded in envisaging and reproducing the tormented anxiety of the Apostles to know who had betrayed their master; so in their faces one can read the emotions of love, dismay, and anger, or rather sorrow, at their failure to grasp the meaning of Christ. And this excites no less admiration than the contrasted spectacle of the obstinacy, hatred, and treachery in the face of Judas or, indeed, than the incredible diligence with which every detail of the work was executed. The texture of the very cloth on the table is counterfeited so cunningly that the linen itself could not look more realistic.
    It is said that the prior used to keep pressing Leonardo, in the most importune way, to hurry up and finish the work, because he was puzzled by Leonardo’s habit of sometimes spending half a day at a time contemplating what he had done so far; if the prior had had his way, Leonardo would have toiled like one of the labourers hoeing in the garden and never put his brush down for a moment. Not satisfied with this, the duke was constrained to send for Leonardo and very tactfully, question him about the painting, although he showed perfectly well that he was only doing so because of the prior’s insistence. Leonardo, knowing he was dealing with a prince of acute and discerning intelligence, was willing (as he never had been with the prior) to explain his mind at length; and so he talked to the duke for a long time about the art of painting. He explained that men of genius sometimes accomplish most when they work the least; for, he added, they are thinking out inventions and forming in their minds the perfect ideas which they subsequently express and reproduce with their hands. Leonardo then said that he still had two heads to paint: the head of Christ was one, and for this he was unwilling to look for any human model, nor did he dare suppose that his imagination could conceive the beauty and divine grace that properly belonged to the incarnate Deity. Then, he said, he had yet to do the head of Judas, and this troubled him since he did not think he could imagine all the features that would form the countenance of a man who, despite all the blessings he had been given, could so cruelly steel his will to betray his own master and the Creator of the world. However, added Leonardo, he would try to find a model for Judas, and if he did not succeed in doing so, why then he was not without the head of that tactless and importunate prior. The duke roared with laughter at this and said that Leonardo had every reason in the world for saying so. The unfortunate prior retired in confusion to worry the labourers working in his garden, and he left off worrying Leonardo, who skilfully finished the head of Judas and made it seem the very embodiment of treachery and inhumanity. The head of Christ remained, as was said, unfinished.
    This story suggests a number of observations:
    · The usual ‘love & light’ approach to the subject is the Last Supper as the institution of the Eucharist, which may be seen as an approximation of the immaterial Christ presence in the physical. Instead of this, Leonardo seems to be focussing on the dark conspiracy side: the moment of betrayal. No one ever seems to comment on this strange fact.
    · The unfinished in this painting denotes the spiritual, invisible aspect of nature: Christ’s features; while the finished denotes the physical, and especially in its betrayal of the spiritual. At the instant captured in the picture, everyone has a conscience to examine as a possible or partial traitor. The only fully clear conscience belongs to one whose head is only sketched in.
    · The spiritual applied to the art of painting involves lengthy meditation, studying what has been done so far. The physical viewing of this process leads to impatience at seeing a man watching paint dry!
    · This physical view of the process is the ultimate betrayal, hence the viewer might lend his features to a passable portrayal of Judas. In other words, betrayal and portrayal do not just sound similar, they are almost synonymous.
    At this point, we may factor in what we know from elsewhere, namely the fact that the painting started deteriorating almost immediately upon completion and why. Fresco painting like this requires a special technique. To adhere properly, the paint must be applied to wet plaster, and as plaster dries very quickly, the painting is divided up into squares, and the painter still has to work very fast to finish one square before it dries. Clearly the prior was upset because even he could see that Leonardo was going about it in the wrong way and asking for trouble by deliberately taking his time.

    Since it is hard to imagine one of the greatest artists the world has seen guilty of such gross incompetence, and in a sense betraying his art, we need to find another explanation that takes into account the presence of a genius at work. This explanation follows fairly logically from all the above, and would be more obvious if it didn’t sound quite so crazy. Simply this: the painting was designed not to last. Christ’s unpainted other-worldly features would disappear first; his followers’ would naturally take a little longer, but possibly no longer than their real-life counterparts. We need to remember this was the monks’ refectory (dining hall), and the scene would be like adding on a table at the end of the room. In other words, the monks would feel they were themselves apostles participating in that last supper, especially if they saw their own features in them. Eventually the painted bread and wine would disappear too, leaving just the real bread and wine in the here and now. There is something slightly heretical about showing the effacement of the betrayal in the dining-room rather than the chapel, sending a very different message from the love & light version of the Eucharist celebrated there. And yet, the whole point of experiencing Christ, his presence, death and ascension, may be said to be learning to see his physical absence as an abiding presence.

    That is exactly what Leonardo’s ephemeral pigments were designed to show, and that is why all subsequent restorations were dreadfully botched and ultimately a betrayal in principle. The painting was intended to reenact that mystery by itself fading away, and for all the subsequent daubs, it has largely succeeded in that intention.

    What then should be done with The Last Supper? Let it fade into nothingness at last. No more betrayal. [Sacrilege!]

    And the pyramids? Letting them crumble has taken too long, and so has quarrying building materials. Maybe a few tons of TNT? Nah, no violence. Let’s just forget the whole thing and move on shall we? [Coverup!]

    Some day we may get better at disappearing unwanted items. We are not very good at garbage disposal generally and have a word for stuff that is altogether beyond us at this time: ultimate waste. The pyramids are the ultimate cultural waste we don’t want to throw out; instead we are piling up more and drowning under it all. We need to learn to do the opposite. So far we seem capable of shifting a Boeing, which was quite impressive, except that it was by no means garbage. We can do better than that.


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    Life is so massively intertwining! A couple of days ago, my husband picked up "Ishmael" from the library that I had on hold, for my granddaughter to read - after not consciously thinking about Daniel Quinn for several years, and then I pop in here this morning and find your post.

    Speaking of betrayal - I felt betrayed by Quinn's book, "Beyond Civilization." He had all these awesome Philosophies that just fell apart in the aspect of turning them to practical application. The book had people totally dependent on the chains of civilization while they were supposedly releasing themselves from civilization's trap.

    His entire premise demands an escape from locked up food. The only way to do that is to create a personal food source that is free from all but your own efforts. "beyond Civilization" ignored the need to unlock food - and this metaphorically applies to all life-needs based on dependence on a grid.

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    I do not believe that the self-serving persona of the psychopath is a human characteristic. We are frequently assailed with the image of "human as selfish, naturally inclined toward violence, killing machines in times of crisis" kind of people. I don't think this is true. Humans are naturally inclined toward cooperative systems of working together for the good of all. However, the mind is subject to brainwashing techniques as well as chemically dependent on nutrients to create a healthy brain, and these factors have been a large part of the process of convincing people that they need to become just like the psychopaths.

    In fact, I believe this is the ultimate goal of the powers that be - to create a world of mentally ill humans who think like psychopaths. I don't believe that actual psychopaths are at all "mentally ill," but there is a condition called "proto-psychopathy" which is a neuro-typical human acting out psychopathic behavior. This is treatable and curable.

    I suspect Credo Mutwa is quite accurate with the Zulu story about happened to humanity. A reptilian race crossed from another dimension to earth, bred with human women, and then returned home. The resulting hybrids were controllable from that other dimension, and the purpose was to turn the Earth into a world where they can live - to change something about the planet so that they can colonize here.

    So, what about the planet would have to change? Could it be that when we lose the grid, all the nuclear reactors melt down and create a radiated planet? But to take thousands of years to create a pollutant that would have a half-life cycle doesn't seem reasonable for a race that could plan something for thousands of years. Perhaps the "Law of One" people have the answer. Their stand is that everything in existence begins as one dimensional beings, progressing through billions of years toward 8th dimension, with each step bringing higher and higher levels of oneness and unity toward the point of oneness. This can be accomplished in either negative or positive polarities. Until the 4th dimension, both positive and negative exist in the same plane. At 4th dimension, planets (also sentient beings progressing through dimensions) become either one or the other. Our Earth is going into 4th dimension. According to the Law of One, she has made the positive choice, but for thousands of years, beings have been here from negative worlds trying to switch her to negative density. Interesting parallels in the two stories, eh?

    Put those together with legends from many cultures about humanity in the throes of a dark age, and going into a new age of light, and that is how I arrive at the potential of psychopaths unable to survive in a world with a changed vibration.

    Then we get to the physical manifestation of this - the undeniable fact that the vibration of our planet has sped up from 7.8 hertz to over 13 in the past hundred years, accelerating greatly since 1992, which coincidentally was the year the Mayans said we entered the "time of no time," and the Baha'is said we stepped over the threshold into the New Age.

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    His entire premise demands an escape from locked up food. The only way to do that is to create a personal food source that is free from all but your own efforts. "beyond Civilization" ignored the need to unlock food - and this metaphorically applies to all life-needs based on dependence on a grid.
    I don't know what you are talking about. (Why feel betrayed?? Isn't that placing a little too much reliance on someone?) You would need to give me a quote to contradict this one:

    Quote "There is no one right way for people to live" (his italics), except for "one very odd culture" "obsessed with the notion that there must be a single right way for people to live and indeed a single right way to do almost anything." p.183-4
    Once we finally step back from the brink where the sociopaths have led us - you might call it the socio-path - we shall have the whole world before us to take whatever paths we choose. To say 'the only way...' reminds me of Margaret Thatcher, nicknamed Tina because her motto was There Is No Alternative! There are always alternatives when you claim your freedom.


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