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    Default Re: JOEL SKOUSEN on World War III - and Strategic Relocation

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    There was an earlier thread discussing Joel Skousen's warnings: Planned Nuclear War - The PTB are creating the crisis for the NWO to come to fruition (April 2012).

    Personally, I've been a "Joel Skousen skeptic (tm)" for a long time now . My Post #3 from that earlier thread continues to represent my views.
    I agree. I have a hard time taking someone seriously who has a lot to gain by scaring the crap out of everyone (books, DVD's).

    The same goes for AJ. I was listening to the No Agenda Show last week, and Adam who also lives in Austin met a guy who either works in AJ's warehouse or is good friends with someone who does. He told Adam that Alex has 60 people who work in his warehouse. I don't care how you slice it, that is a lot of seeds, water purifiers, etc. being shipped!
    And thats why you should nto judge the messenger but ONLY the message. AJ have alot of "bad" issues but at least he is the best atm to pinpoint or aim at very important news info. Which is what we all need ... a little push to help us start and after that its all about us to believe or not. But to discard the msg cause AJ or Joel is not the best possible, at least for me is 100% wrong.

    i believe that truth from the mouth of a devil is far better than lies (half-truths) from the mouth of an angel.

    I still maintain that it is a tad naive to not consider what a person has to gain from putting forth a certain agenda. If Alex and Joel were selling something totally unrelated (like beautiful music for example), I might take what they say a bit more seriously.

    Personally I'd prefer to leave this meat sack quickly, than running and hiding and dying slowly.

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    And thats why you should nto judge the messenger but ONLY the message.
    The connection between those 2 is called the agenda ... and is not 'unconnected'
    well ofc there is an agenda thats why you get the info and then you go to verify or discard by yourself. The only agenda that can be maintained like that is to focus on some news and neglect other ... like the mass media are doing. So if you like the topics then there is no actual agenda if you do your own research ... as much as you can ofc. So whenever the personal opinion or translation of an event comes from the above or other people ... you filter than and make your own decision after your research.

    i ofc can be wrong but i think getting info from every direction is the only way to go. Lets not move away from the thread topic anymore. Sorry to everyone.

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    Quote Posted by Snookie (here)
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    Quote Posted by Paul (here)
    There was an earlier thread discussing Joel Skousen's warnings: Planned Nuclear War - The PTB are creating the crisis for the NWO to come to fruition (April 2012).

    Personally, I've been a "Joel Skousen skeptic (tm)" for a long time now . My Post #3 from that earlier thread continues to represent my views.
    I agree. I have a hard time taking someone seriously who has a lot to gain by scaring the crap out of everyone (books, DVD's).

    The same goes for AJ. I was listening to the No Agenda Show last week, and Adam who also lives in Austin met a guy who either works in AJ's warehouse or is good friends with someone who does. He told Adam that Alex has 60 people who work in his warehouse. I don't care how you slice it, that is a lot of seeds, water purifiers, etc. being shipped!
    And thats why you should nto judge the messenger but ONLY the message. AJ have alot of "bad" issues but at least he is the best atm to pinpoint or aim at very important news info. Which is what we all need ... a little push to help us start and after that its all about us to believe or not. But to discard the msg cause AJ or Joel is not the best possible, at least for me is 100% wrong.

    i believe that truth from the mouth of a devil is far better than lies (half-truths) from the mouth of an angel.

    I still maintain that it is a tad naive to not consider what a person has to gain from putting forth a certain agenda. If Alex and Joel were selling something totally unrelated (like beautiful music for example), I might take what they say a bit more seriously.

    Personally I'd prefer to leave this meat sack quickly, than running and hiding and dying slowly.
    Yes ofc ... as Paul said Joel has always been someone that tried to sell his books and other merchandise, just ignore his selling points and just focus/interpret the info he is passing to us. Alot of people are selling books ... should we disregard them all cause of that?

    I really dont think Russia wants to take over the world ... US on the other side tho is actively trying to become an empire. Now how much US is controlled in this desire is something i cant say.

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    Ive just watched skousens presentation on inforwars.tv and imust admit he did a great job i would love to see how many people started buying at the onlineshop he isa great salesman and he knows how to use the triggers of fear, like all good illusion-insurance sellers do.

    for me it was mainly pure fearporn and besides that some interesting statistics how people move in a chaos situation..nice mapsand statistics.

    i bet alot of rich people purchased alot of his knowledge,

    dont fall into the fear trap its not worth it
    " Loka samasta sukhino bhavantu / May all beings in all worlds be happy and free and may the thoughts, words and actions of my own life contribute in some way to that happiness and to that freedom for all "


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    Default Re: JOEL SKOUSEN on World War III - and Strategic Relocation

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    no you didnt misunderstand ... but maybe i miss understand Joel ... he says that they (i think he doesnt mean the US ... more then ones behind the scenes) want this war but the way he puts it ... its like the Russia and China are always trying to kill the US.

    I see it more like someone fighting back to survive than aggression ... so not sure if they will be the ones starting WWIII. Maybe they will be blamed like in the Ukraine when its obvious the US started this hole mess. Ofc the elites can have both US and Russia under they control so its just a theater.

    Tbh Bill if you hear him you get this feeling in how he portraits the 2 sides. Maybe i am getting it wrong .. but he still keeps the US as the poor cheated guy that gets bullied by the big bad bear. I have listen to him many many times so maybe its an overall feeling i have more than this specific topic.

    You know Joel .. sorry, Etherios ..

    there's something people of this Planet have to learn profoundly .. quite yet , about Peace ..

    Number One.. Peace ..does not start with Power Shows and brandishing weapons , even for funs sake, even for parades sake .

    This sociological and very atavistic feature of human social behaviour which is mostly of very masculine /dominant nature in our times .. is one thing to be avoided in order to maintain global Peace.

    Showing 'we have power' as an empty gesture almost regularly evokes a sense of threat , so much for 'army exercises' of all concerned nations,
    testing of nuclear weapons and other weapons of mass destruction ,
    consuming large military parades and national shows of power .

    Even as in preparation of the ( many ) recent Olympic Games, it's clear what they became .. self promoting and economy boosting power show for the hosting country,
    elitist's money poured by billions to training of top notch sportsman who are expected to exceed every human ability, costly entries ,
    no sport 'for everyone' , sport for joy , for healthy spirit and body . Thus, the Olympic ideal has degraded to business and worse , to absurd nationalistic shows .

    Watch the movie The Hunger Games for good and terrifying comparison.

    So to All Nations concerned ...

    the threat firstly lies , in uncontrolled primitive behaviours that aren't much better than those of ancient cavemen , actually .. they're far far worse .

    Placing more missiles around the world pointing to space and readiness for war, never yet installed Peace .

    We were so told that better the weapons, and more prepared the armies, the race between nations is brought under control and the world being kept safe . Such was the state of post WWII world that had was joined by new economical and tactical rivals , such as China , the Arabian World, the state of Israel , the Koreas , India and couple of other not-unimportant game players to name .

    We're talking of the world where we really live . Most of it is nether the Russia, the China or the US . And never will be . Most of the world and its future is occupied by people .. namely people who want to live in peace and harmony ,
    want to enjoy sovereignty of their cultures and prefer to live by something else than strictly patriotic interests and engagement in wars.

    It's the interest of human beings that we need to protect, save lives first .. save Peace .


    So however Peaceful gestures have to be adopted as common cultural feature in place of weapon tests and power shows ,
    Peaceful gestures that extend hand from man to man and nation to nation , with stress on mutual respect being the truth of what we feel and do , before we ever start doing it rather than empty claims of politicians and words that can't be trusted and relied on,

    the same capacity once evolved to threatened this world has to applied now, to bring it to state of understanding .

    It's far more difficult than some would believe , especially those who grew up in uniform and sort of standard societies, that is societies that kept evolving in steady Pace and despite hiccups , their generation did not have to experience major cataclysm , hunger, exodus, exile or war ,
    these people who have not seen much of the reality of this world unless they travelled or unless they really CARE to see and educate themselves about people of other colours, cultures, nationalities and origins who too are inhabiting the same biosphere together with millions of other species,
    some of these people can turn extremely narrow minded , no matter how many philosophical degrees they collected and live in their safe glass boxes together with their spouses = their preferred views .

    No, all of these people .. need to take blind folds down , and see .. who is this man , this mankind inhabiting this planet nowadays ,
    what is the real value of human life and culture, the value of its history and science ,
    its rich and vast spiritual and physical heritage .

    Our real treasure is in the human culture and intellect rather than in oil refineries, since oil refineries will exhaust themselves , earlier or later .

    Our real treasure is in education and protecting lives and cultures, rather than exterminating those we do not understand or feel uncomfortable about,
    or refuse to learn from .


    No matter what any of the Nations and their respective , alternative or mainstream AGENDAS say ,
    this world is now at the beginning of long journey .. when it merely started to learn about each other,

    explore its unique abilities and heritage and trying to find common language and common terms.

    It's EXTREMELY IMPORTANT to realise that we are not standing at any PEAK of human civilisation right now, not even close to it. We are on threshold from where the journey leads steep up for a while,
    and many will be trying to make it fast and first only to realise that the ascend was measured not by them getting up first but by the collective making it all .
    In another words,
    whether some nations are more developed now than the others, only plays very temporary role because at some point their own development starts to stagnate and deteriorate and they'll have to wait for when the others can make it to be able to continue .

    There's a long way to go and this is its humble beginning .. and there will be many hidden mines to be deactivated on the way and hurdles to be crossed before we can get across to each other and bridge a common understanding ..to all this human civilisation ..

    The Global War Games .. need to be dissolved ..



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    Default Re: JOEL SKOUSEN on World War III - and Strategic Relocation

    Very intriguing material, its important for me to go now and sit to absorb this.


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    Indeed one of the CFR type group's Dooms Day Plans... Still in play with so many loose mini/back pack nukes in the hands of groups that just might follow that order. I am not sure if this would be "allowed" to occur. IMHO.

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    The second reason is that the quality of American leadership today is not anywhere close to what it was when John F. Kennedy was President. Kennedy contained the situation. He stood up to the war-mongers -- to the generals -- and back-channeled communications with Khrushchev.

    Khrushchev agreed to take the missiles out of Cuba, and Kennedy would quietly, six months later, take the American missiles out of Turkey. This was not part of the official announcement, but it was part of the secret agreement. Kennedy kept his word and removed the missiles from Turkey six months later.



    So Khrushchev and Kennedy worked it out, but in those days we didn’t have the flawed ideology of American hegemony over the entire world. We also didn’t have the arrogance and hubris of the claims made by President Obama that ‘We are the exceptional people,’ and ‘The indispensable nation.’ Kennedy didn’t talk like that. He didn’t think that. But when you think that way and you have this ideology of hegemony over the entire world, you are not going to back down.


    And if you have all these generals telling you, ‘We can whip them,’ it creates a much more dangerous environment. There was a paper published by two of these ‘Dr. Strangelove’ types that claimed we were so far ahead of the Russian military that we could preemptively attack them with nuclear weapons at no consequence to ourselves. These people are so divorced from reality they are delusional, but they are also incredibly dangerous.

    Now, if people are telling the President and the State Department that, they are going to be more reckless than if somebody is saying, ‘You’ve got to calm this down.’ The Russians hear the Western propaganda with people on TV saying things like, ‘Let’s send troops to Poland and our navy to the Black Sea.’ Well, I can assure you that is not what the Russians heard during the Cuban Missile Crisis.”

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    Yes, retalliate after we are defeated is a guaranteed losing strategy. We have already surrendered. And is there anyone out there who believes Obama would push the button to kill billions in retaliation? And what would be the point of retaliating at that point? Sounds pretty dumb, doesnt it. America totally destroyed and no one left but Homeland Security, our prison guards to be sure we dont rebel. With their billions of rounds of hollow point ammo. Any Questions?

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    Quote Posted by seeker1972 (here)
    I would like to voice my agreement with the others who have previously mentioned the ET presence having an involvement in any nuclear weapons use from here on out.

    I have read that the energetic trauma caused to the spirit when someone dies in a nuclear explosion is extremely difficult to recover from and requires a great deal of aid for each and every soul caught in that kind of death. And I believe this is one of the main reasons why a sort of 'edict' has been put forth: that no one will be allowed to use nuclear weapons here on earth to fight their wars again. It's one of the few areas where benevolent ETs will intervene directly in our affairs now.
    that is the first explanation I've ever heard of why they will let humans slowly radiate themselves to death and die from cancers from Fukushima vs a flash bang which causes instant mass deaths...


    it must plug the reincarnation funnel Charles was telling us about on the moon...

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    Joel Skousen is certainly an interesting and well-informed guy, as was his dad Cleon.

    But I think his advice on 'stragic relocation' while being laudable is unrealistic for many.

    It may be OK for those with an ample fund of money, resources, land, contacts with insider knowledge etc - but what about the vulnerable, the old and infirm? Who is going to help them?

    I take any survivalist viewpoint with a pinch of salt. We as humans overcome problems by working together as teams, not by becoming lone wolves.

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    This could make a VERY superior shed for someone...

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    Just a couple of thoughts. I'm actually going to be writing my term paper on this subject. The question asked was: In times of political instability, is a country justified in military intervention in a separate country in order to ensure the security of an ethnic/language group shared by both countries? What conditions would need to be met for such an intervention to be ethical? Consider this question in relation to Russia’s recent military intervention in Crimea (having a large Russian ethnic population) in Ukraine.

    And my answer is going to be that the question itself implies the idea that liberties and violations of those liberties exist in an ethical/political system that does not exist, that has never existed, and in fact is about economics and resources more than about people and culture less.

    This thing in the Ukraine is all about creating a situation that will increase production. How does one do this without destroying the environment beyond the means that will inhibit production? You create a situation that implies the imminence of conflict without actually stepping over the line into conflict.

    Russia wants to have a strangle hold on the EU. In order to do this, they need to control the resources, namely oil and natural gas. Crimea does not have and never did have a natural majority russian-backed population. Stalin took care of that for strategic reasons (personal, or political, or driven by madness...who can tell). Putin is now in the same position. If he flexes here in Crimea, the world is not focused on Syria. I had originally predicted the military action would take place in Syria, and that the new cold war would be on the back door of Israel. I was wrong! It's going to be back close to where the backing of the iron curtain existed...and it makes more sense. There is an underlying feeling among Crimeans and old Soviet block countries that there is stability in Russia (economic and, to some degree, moral/ethical).

    Cold War=$$$ Unemployed people in factories making munitions, making bombs, making all kinds of things for soldiers to use and eat, and in turn spending money in local economies and making everyone smiley happy go lucky while living under the ruins of foundations that once had air raid sirens on them. What we need to be concerned about is not the imminence of nuclear conflict. It's the one yahoo that decides he should push the button, or gets a mixed up order and pushes the button. When you're throwing cream cakes, it's a lot less dangerous a threat.

    That's not a bad idea actually....let them throw cake? O.o

    Something else in all this that needs to come up. An advisor was interviewed on CBC radio....will try and dig the link out....that suggested the plane that recently went missing out east did some strange things before it actually vanished off the map. It dropped altitude, and changed directions. The advisor, who was an ex-airman in the air force, states that what he found interesting was this is the kind of move military pilots make when they're intentionally trying to shake someone off their trail. So, a flight crew drops a commercial airline, aims it towards Iran, and vanishes off the map.

    So what can you do with a commercial airline that you couldn't with, say, a two-seater or some other kind of air plane?

    Distance, and freight. Someone who would need to travel a long distance with a cargo would need this kind of plane. What kind of cargo? What came to mind is a missing atomic bomb....say placed upon a missing airline, flown over a country at a higher altitude, bomb is detonated, and what happens with that EMP?

    Nobody gets directly hurt, we have an act of war, or a means to the end of moving a culture towards the ultimate form of submission: patriotic slavery in the confines of a cold war situation.

    Then again, just because it's logically possible doesn't mean it's right. Usually the simplest solution is the one that's true. Thing went down in the water. Putin wants more stability in his power base at home by flexing his muscle. People are dumb. Not nearly as exciting as a conspiracy theory...but consistent with human nature!
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    Bill, I respect you for your deep insights in many matters, I share many of your beliefs as well needless to say that you are highly regarded among the members of Project Avalon. When routing people to Alex Jones ( or David Icke ) you have an obligation to explain how they work, you owe it to your reputation : they spread fear for something they have a solution you can *buy*. They are commercial entities part of the whole damned system. The key to the truth lies in what Alex Jones is -not- covering,. - ndroock1

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    i can't find a way to delete the entire post, so I deleted the text. I misread the OP
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    Quote Posted by ndroock1 (here)
    Bill, I respect you for your deep insights in many matters, I share many of your beliefs as well needless to say that you are highly regarded among the members of Project Avalon. When routing people to Alex Jones ( or David Icke ) you have an obligation to explain how they work, you owe it to your reputation : they spread fear for something they have a solution you can *buy*. They are commercial entities part of the whole damned system. The key to the truth lies in what Alex Jones is -not- covering,. - ndroock1
    Well if you can just take the info they provide with fear techniques then you should try more. I wont comment if what they spread is fear just to sell or fear in general of actual possibilities BUT i want to ask you...


    WHAT ARE THEY NOT COVERING ... can you name 1 or 2 topics?

    p.s. Ignore the messenger and just focus on the info ... its pretty easy to remove the selling campaign. Try to stop looking for premade food(info) and chew on your own for a change.

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    An invaluable resource Mr Skousen's book is. I'm reading it right now in fact. :-)

    Joel is right on the money with what he says and this dovetails both with what the Plejarans told Billy Meier and with the whistle blower that gave the report "The Anglo-Saxon Mission" which I read back in 2009. To write Joel off as a fear mongering book seller is inaccurate in my opinion. In fact it worries me that so few people seem to see and take action at what is happening in the world right now. So much depends on what we do in these next few years.

    I've never been a fan of Alex Jones and I know hes owned by Jewish media moguls and to be honest, I don't know how he got such a high quality guest as Joel on his show. But he did and I recognize the insight Joel brings to the table.
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    just imagine if the bio-weapon on #Flight370 had made it to China for a terrorist attack to raise their population into acceptance of war...

    Russia is tied up in Ukraine so doesn't have the troops to protect Syria and Iran...

    Israel is preparing a ground invasion into Syria...

    Who stopped Flight 370 to prevent war?

    Russian intelligence contacted China, who diverted the flight, next word is, the weapon of destruction, disappeared along with 25 Electronic warfare experts...

    Qatar and Saudi Arabia are ready to rumble...

    so much, in so many different directions...

    all of their attempts at starting WW III, are being stopped 1 after another...

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    Default Re: JOEL SKOUSEN on World War III - and Strategic Relocation

    This upsets me so much, if this happens where do we turn if we wanna fight it?

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