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    Of minor interest, but interesting nonetheless: the cost of the search operation.

    http://cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/...earch.cnn.html

    Costs are currently running at a rate of $21 million per month (mostly from various countries' military training budgets). Previous extensive search-and-recovery operations have topped out at as much as $50 million, but this might well end up dwarfing that.

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    Quote Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
    I am not quite sure where Dahboo is going with this, the two interviews
    posted earlier she clearly says she thinks the plane has been taken
    and there is more to it than meets the eye. She is does not a feel like
    a crisis actor, her CV means she knows a lot more behind the scenes
    than she can say publically. So although its good to be wary I think
    Dahboo may be a little premature with his analysis. Unless anything
    new has appeared.
    I agree, to me she is the only credible witness with enough knowledge and enough friends who knows, to be able to tell us that this plane was taken and it is not an accident ending in the Indian Ocean.

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    People of a certain age in the UK will recognise the sarcasm....LOL



    It looks like they are homing in on something, maybe planted ?


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    9 April 2014 Last updated at 14:01

    Missing Malaysia plane: Search 'regains recorder signal'PreviousLatest




    Air Chief Marshal Angus Houston: "I believe we're searching in the right area"


    Teams searching for the missing Malaysia Airlines plane have reacquired signals
    that could be consistent with "black box" flight recorders. An Australian vessel
    heard the signals again on Tuesday afternoon and evening, the search chief said.
    Signals heard earlier had also been further analysed by experts who concluded they
    were from "specific electronic equipment", he said.

    Flight MH370 disappeared on 8 March, carrying 239 people.

    It was travelling from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing when it lost contact with air traffic
    controllers. Malaysian officials say that based on satellite data, they believe it
    ended its flight in the southern Indian Ocean, thousands of kilometres from its
    intended flight path.

    "I believe we are searching in the right area," said Air Chief Marshal Angus
    Houston, who heads the joint agency co-ordinating the search.

    "But we need to visually identify aircraft wreckage before we can confirm with
    certainty that this is the final resting place of MH370."

    'Clear signal'

    The Australian vessel, Ocean Shield, has been towing a US Navy pinger locator to
    listen for signals from the plane's flight recorders in waters west of the Australian
    city of Perth.



    Read more....

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26950387
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    Of minor interest, but interesting nonetheless: the cost of the search operation.

    http://cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/...earch.cnn.html

    Costs are currently running at a rate of $21 million per month (mostly from various countries' military training budgets). Previous extensive search-and-recovery operations have topped out at as much as $50 million, but this might well end up dwarfing that.
    Bill you also have a report on Russia and Crimea afterwards accusing Russia of wanting to go further into Ukraine and having taken some building in Crimea by force and all the sanctions that could go on, bla bla bla.

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    Now CNN is debunking Diego Garcia

    Once again "they" are using their tools (MSM) to divert (Brainwash) attention away from Diego Garcia; using the phrase "physically impossible" and saying any one who in the slightest way thinks this scenario could be "possible" are "ridiculous conspiracy theory nut jobs" (I'm paraphrasing to a slight degree)

    Personally I think this is one of the most important reports from CNN yet; in several ways-for several reasons. I also don't think they can keep this plane "disappeared" for much longer.....the "ridiculous conspiracy theory nut jobs" are causing certain forces to go in to damage control so to speak. They are even resorting to saying it's "physically impossible" for this plane to land at Diego Garcia when any one with half a brain knows its not "physically impossible". Highly unlikely, but not "physically impossible".

    Also, these under ground base/city photo's popping up all over on the internet are probably digital layers and a planted scheme to make people look even more like ridiculous conspiracy theory nut jobs IMO. CNN will probably report on these underground city photos next soon to prove their point. THEY do not want Diego Garcia to be a focus point, they proven this time and time again, starting with the Maldives sighting weeks back/INMARSAT/etc.

    Diverting attention away from Diego Garcia may or may not have something to do with MH370, but, they are sure working over-time concerning diverting public attention and MH370 away from this location.


    That CNN video report was such a sickening, sleazy, disgusting piece of 'journalism' that I couldn't even bear to finish watching it.

    Really. Either there's something very, very wrong in many mainstream news organizations (there is), or they are under orders to debunk dangerous information with nasty smears (they are). A dreadful, hard-to-watch micro case study on where we are right now (or have been up till now)... on this planet.


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    Quote Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
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    They are even resorting to saying it's "physically impossible" for this plane to land at Diego Garcia when any one with half a brain knows its not "physically impossible".
    ---
    I checked that weeks ago ... according to the original 777-200 specs the runway is long enough.
    But they land B-52's there too (they probably do not need their extra braking chute)



    Quote Following the fall of the Shah of Iran and the Iran Hostage Crisis in 1979–1980, the West became concerned with ensuring the flow of oil from the Persian Gulf through the Strait of Hormuz, and the United States received permission for a $400 million expansion of the military facilities on Diego Garcia consisting of two parallel 12,000-foot-long (3,700 m) runways, expansive parking aprons for heavy bombers, 20 new anchorages in the lagoon, a deep water pier, port facilities for the largest naval vessels in the American or British fleet, aircraft hangars, maintenance buildings and an air terminal, a 1,340,000 barrels (213,000 m3) fuel storage area, and billeting and messing facilities for thousands of sailors and support personnel.
    Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Garcia

    I think that an 11000 foot runway is already sufficient for a B52 ...

    Besides:

    Quote The island was one of 33 emergency landing sites worldwide for the NASA Space Shuttle
    Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Garcia

    It shouldn't be that difficult for CNN to do their homework even from behind a computer.
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    Yoichi Shimatsu w/ Jeff Rense Worth your time

    Israeli Intelligence unit behind Hijacking

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    That CNN video report was such a sickening, sleazy, disgusting piece of 'journalism' that I couldn't even bear to finish watching it.

    Really. Either there's something very, very wrong in many mainstream news organizations (there is), or they are under orders to debunk dangerous information with nasty smears (they are). A dreadful, hard-to-watch micro case study on where we are right now (or have been up till now)... on this planet.


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    Bill, your 'Back to TOPIC' sign prompts me to make this statement once again ...

    Although I myself also contribute getting some of the technical details right it is exactly what they are doing on purpose to
    keep us busy with. Flush out some garbage so that we have something to play with and to debate.

    I've stated this also many times about 9/11 ... it doesn't matter what exactly happened and we should all stop fighting and
    debating about who is right etc. The only important thing actually is that the official story stinks and is not feasible at all.
    We should immediately point our fingers to officials selling us this garbage for real and hold them responsible. All other
    details distract us. So perhaps your comment was more ON TOPIC than all other posts.

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    Diago Garcia is not involved with the missing aircraft except to support the search efforts. The Cocos/Keeling islands are an Australian protectorate and have an Australian Governor overseeing the islands. The Cocos islands was used as a NASA secondary recovery backup for Mercury space capsules if needed during the 60-70's. Copra is the main product of the islands. Diago Garcia is someone's silly diversion to reality. IMHO

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    Quote Posted by Operator (here)
    Quote Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
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    They are even resorting to saying it's "physically impossible" for this plane to land at Diego Garcia when any one with half a brain knows its not "physically impossible".
    ---
    I checked that weeks ago ... according to the original 777-200 specs the runway is long enough.
    But they land B-52's there too (they probably do not need their extra braking chute)



    Quote Following the fall of the Shah of Iran and the Iran Hostage Crisis in 1979–1980, the West became concerned with ensuring the flow of oil from the Persian Gulf through the Strait of Hormuz, and the United States received permission for a $400 million expansion of the military facilities on Diego Garcia consisting of two parallel 12,000-foot-long (3,700 m) runways, expansive parking aprons for heavy bombers, 20 new anchorages in the lagoon, a deep water pier, port facilities for the largest naval vessels in the American or British fleet, aircraft hangars, maintenance buildings and an air terminal, a 1,340,000 barrels (213,000 m3) fuel storage area, and billeting and messing facilities for thousands of sailors and support personnel.
    Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Garcia

    I think that an 11000 foot runway is already sufficient for a B52 ...

    Besides:

    Quote The island was one of 33 emergency landing sites worldwide for the NASA Space Shuttle
    Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Garcia

    It shouldn't be that difficult for CNN to do their homework even from behind a computer.
    It safe to assume that runways at Dulles International Airport are more than adequate to handle the largest of commercial aircraft.

    The longest of the 4 available runways at Dulles International Airport is 11,500 feet long. That is shorter than the 12,000 foot long runways at Diego Garcia. There is more than enough runway for a Boeing 777 at Diego Garcia, especially true if the aircraft is low on fuel.

    1L/19R 9,400'
    1C/19C 11,500'
    1R/19L 11,500'
    12/30 10,500'

    Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washin...tional_Airport

    According to this Boeing link, a 777/200 needs only 5,100' to land (landing weight and wind not specified).

    Obviously CNN is either stupid or highly manipulated. And the people who work there are not stupid.
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    Just saw this a couple days old and has been mentioned earlier...





    MH370 Mystery Deepens. Pentagon Blocks All Leave To Diego Garcia.

    Sunday, April 6, 2014 6:44




    Diego Garcia is well known for its excellent offshore deepsea fishing. That’s why people
    would take leave there.

    This morning, early on CNN, they had Richard Quest on.



    Richard Quest mentioned Diego Garcia, and said “the only thing I can say, is they haven’t
    proven the plane is NOT there”. I thought that was interesting.

    Why have they never aired any of the interview he did with the missing pilots?

    http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-...a-2461528.html

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    Suspicious! Pentagon Blocks ALL Leave to Diego Garcia! -


    See more at: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/....BLvLDNlw.dpuf

    ===================================================





    http://earthlinggb.wordpress.com/201...-did-it-again/

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    Lockheed C5B Galaxy Launch From Diego Garcia



    Published on 30 Jun 2012

    ===================================================




    Landing at Diego Garcia 28th May 2011
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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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    Now CNN is debunking Diego Garcia

    Once again "they" are using their tools (MSM) to divert (Brainwash) attention away from Diego Garcia; using the phrase "physically impossible" and saying any one who in the slightest way thinks this scenario could be "possible" are "ridiculous conspiracy theory nut jobs" (I'm paraphrasing to a slight degree)

    Personally I think this is one of the most important reports from CNN yet; in several ways-for several reasons. I also don't think they can keep this plane "disappeared" for much longer.....the "ridiculous conspiracy theory nut jobs" are causing certain forces to go in to damage control so to speak. They are even resorting to saying it's "physically impossible" for this plane to land at Diego Garcia when any one with half a brain knows its not "physically impossible". Highly unlikely, but not "physically impossible".

    Also, these under ground base/city photo's popping up all over on the internet are probably digital layers and a planted scheme to make people look even more like ridiculous conspiracy theory nut jobs IMO. CNN will probably report on these underground city photos next soon to prove their point. THEY do not want Diego Garcia to be a focus point, they proven this time and time again, starting with the Maldives sighting weeks back/INMARSAT/etc.

    Diverting attention away from Diego Garcia may or may not have something to do with MH370, but, they are sure working over-time concerning diverting public attention and MH370 away from this location.


    That CNN video report was such a sickening, sleazy, disgusting piece of 'journalism' that I couldn't even bear to finish watching it.

    Really. Either there's something very, very wrong in many mainstream news organizations (there is), or they are under orders to debunk dangerous information with nasty smears (they are). A dreadful, hard-to-watch micro case study on where we are right now (or have been up till now)... on this planet.

    I totally agree, this report insulted my intelligence (and I'm usually short a sandwich or two at every picnic)

    Also, I do not think you went off topic as the way you describe this report IMO is what actually makes it such an important part of this journey of discovery....it's an obvious "planted" report. It's almost like a Master of Illusion, a Magician, protecting the secrecy of one of their best tricks....when a member of the audience starts blurting out how the trick was done, the first thing the Magician usually does is to ridicule the heckler. (or divert attention away from the heckler). Sarah Bajc is likely another heckler in the crowd.

    Personally I really do think this was a "Master of Illusion Magic Trick" performed on a global scale; The plane is probably hidden right in front of our face, and we are all looking at the great smoking mirror theorizing how the great Magician pulled it off......

    Also:

    I believe the Great Magician, the Master of Illusion (and deception), is about to give us his version of how the trick was done......as I mentioned earlier, the Magician is probably going to pull a scratch free black box out of the ocean with a suicide note duct-taped to it from the pilot.....because if the Great Magician actually did tell you how the trick truly was done, well, then he'd likely have to kill ya!
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    Quote Posted by buares (here)
    Quote Posted by Ron Mauer Sr (here)
    Does anyone know why a "sister", "copy", "clone" (not sure of the right word to use), a 777 with Malaysian markings, has been sitting in Tel Aviv since November of 2013?
    There is no clone of MH370, the so-called 'double' is a totally different plane with different serial numbers.
    I need to clarify this point. MH370 was not flown to Israel. However, there is a Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777 in Israel. I dismissed the theory a bit quickly because there is no way a Malaysian aircraft could possibly land in Israel. But the fact is that Christopher Bollyn found a photo that can prove it:



    Quote Posted by Christopher Bollyn
    By using the twin aircraft they have in storage, the terror masterminds may have a sinister plan for the missing plane to seemingly reappear in a false-flag atrocity. Public awareness of the twin plane in Tel Aviv, therefore, could prevent the evil plot from going ahead.
    More on his website: http://www.bollyn.com/are-the-israel...e-missing-777/

    MH370 and the Boeing 777 in Israel are not the same planes but they look 'identical'. As to why is there a Malaysian Boeing 777 stored in Israel ? I don't know but it does not necessarily imply a terror plot, some said it might just be usual business.

    So that your question is still fully valid Ron.
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    This tells you the importance of the Island and the conspiracy carried out to remove
    the population, with threats their pets were gassed and it was made clear if they
    did not go they would suffer a similar fate. A sad tale of two countries not wanting
    to take responsibility of 2000 expendable souls who were just in the way. They
    are UK citizens, we have taken in millions of refugees and others into the UK since
    1971 and the US could have easily taken them in. This was a conspiracy to pretend
    nothing happened and not pay proper compensation.

    In 2000 the population won a court case at the High court in London ruling
    that they had been unlawfully removed from their land. The victory was short
    lived and the foreign office stepped in with more bureaucratic crap to stop
    them returning to there homes, even for a visit in fear of upsetting the US.

    Blair then brought in a little known act using the Queen to decree the islanders
    were never allowed home. What this tells us is ( what we all knew) governments
    lie, bureaucrats lie, military lie or 'spin' or diplomacy as they would say.....

    John Pilger - Stealing A Nation [2004]



    Published on 24 Feb 2013


    'Stealing A Nation' (2004) is an extraordinary film about the plight of the Chagos
    Islands, whose indigenous population was secretly and brutally expelled by British
    Governments in the late 1960s and early 1970s to make way for an American
    military base. The tragedy, which falls within the remit of the International Criminal
    Court as "a crime against humanity", is told by Islanders who were dumped in the
    slums of Mauritius and by British officials who left behind a damning trail of Foreign
    Office documents.

    Before the Americans came, more than 2,000 people lived on the islands in the
    Indian Ocean, many with roots back to the late 18th century. There were thriving
    villages, a school, a hospital, a church, a railway and an undisturbed way of life.
    The islands were, and still are, a British crown colony. In the 1960s, the
    government of Harold Wilson struck a secret deal with the United States to hand
    over the main island of Diego Garcia. The Americans demanded that the
    surrounding islands be "swept" and "sanitized". Unknown to Parliament and to the
    US Congress and in breach of the United Nations Charter, the British Government
    plotted with Washington to expel the entire population.


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    No Happy Ending.....judges in Strasbourg rejected their case.....The Bureaucrats
    of Europe agree with their bureaucratic brothers.......


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    Case dismissed: islanders 'waived' claim to Chagos


    A group of islanders “callously and shamefully” evicted from their homeland by
    Britain received a bitter blow yesterday in their marathon legal battle for the right
    to return when judges in Strasbourg rejected their case.

    The Chagos Islanders, 1,500 of whom were thrown off their archipelago in the
    1960s and 1970s when Britain handed Diego Garcia over to the US to use as a
    military base, had fought their way to the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR).
    But the judges ruled their case inadmissible, as they had already received
    compensation and waived their right to further claims.

    In 1982, the Thatcher government paid compensation to the islanders in a full and
    final settlement of all their claims. But they insist that many of those who signed
    with a simple thumbprint were illiterate and desperate for money, unaware they
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    before the House of Lords in 2008 and appealed to Strasbourg.

    But yesterday, the ECHR said the case had been settled definitively in UK
    courts: “In accepting and receiving compensation, the applicants had effectively
    renounced bringing any further claims to determine whether the expulsion and
    exclusion from their homes had been unlawful and breached their rights.”

    Last night, the UK Chagos Support Association said: “Now that the European Court
    of Human Rights has decided that it does not have jurisdiction, we appeal to the
    Coalition Government to stand by their pre-election promises to bring about a just
    and fair settlement to one of the great tragedies of the 20th century, perpetrated
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    Now CNN is debunking Diego Garcia

    If I may, what I find significant about the CNN Diego Garcia story is that CNN felt it necessary to do at all: the Diego Garcia theory has never been seriously mooted by the MSM, only by AltMedia.

    This can only mean that the AltMedia (that’s us and all the other bloggers and indies) is now gaining so much traction with influential readers that the MainStream Media is now forced to respond.

    With our sister site, Project Camelot, garnering 20 million unique visitors and sites like David Icke, Alex Jones and Veterans Today getting even more readers, we’ve quite possibly reached a tipping point of mass influence.

    The public is listening carefully, and beginning to think for themselves. Mass awakening to the truth is now only a matter of time.

    Nice work, everyone.

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    Quote Posted by buares (here)



    Quote Posted by Christopher Bollyn
    By using the twin aircraft they have in storage, the terror masterminds may have a sinister plan for the missing plane to seemingly reappear in a false-flag atrocity. Public awareness of the twin plane in Tel Aviv, therefore, could prevent the evil plot from going ahead.
    More on his website: http://www.bollyn.com/are-the-israel...e-missing-777/

    MH370 and the Boeing 777 in Israel are not the same planes but they look 'identical'. As to why is there a Malaysian Boeing 777 stored in Israel ? I don't know but it does not necessarily imply a terror plot, some said it might just be usual business.

    So that your question is still fully valid Ron.
    Here is a translation from Hebrew of the conversation that accompanied the image of the Malaysian airplane found on 'Israeli Aviation Enthusiasts Forum' (Kudus to the one who found it) , conversation was made in December 2013.

    D: A question of identification - Who can tell me what company is that and perheps what is the registary of this 767 that is hosted in this particular area near the Ben Gurion Airport? (The part that belongs to 'Bedek', the IAI- Israeli Aerospace Industry. Limor), Thanks.

    T: And no, I do not mean Alitalia

    Z: It's a 777, it finished it's life and arrived to be disassembled.

    T: Thanks, ziggy, I knew I can trust on you.

    E: Forget the registary

    Z: It's an N105GT, it used to be an 9M-MRI

    I: Ended it's life? it was only 15..
    After some searching online, I found that the plane belonged to a company now known as GA Telesis (not that I realized what it is dealing with ..)
    This search did not help me to understand why it is being disassembled. So I kept searching and found that the company recieved 3 A300 configuration passengers aircraft from Japan Airlines, at that period they were converted to cargo planes and were sold to DHL.
    So my conclusion from this search is that this 777 of Malaysia Airlines did not come to Israel for disposal, it came to be converted into cargo. (This is my opinion, it is not necessarily correct so do not relay on it)

    D: There is logic in what you say, I will explore the issue in more depth later and will report the results

    I: I will wait for the results..

    T: With high probability - Out of 18 A300 aircraft of EAT Leipzig (A cargo company that operates the aircrafts for DHL German mail), about 16 were owned by GA Telesis for several months. They were all passenger planes before, and then converted into cargo planes.
    So obviously this company is specializes in the conversion of passenger aircraft to cargo (their website says so as well), and the question is what role IAI plays with regards to the 777 in this picture?

    I: 'Bedek' is a known IAI unit that deals with the conversion of passengers aircrafts to cargo.

    T: Yes, sure but the question is why GA Telesis do not do it themselves, but that's really not that interesting to me ...

    Z: It is possible that in 15 years the plane made a lot of flights and for long distances

    Z: A conversion to a cargo plane of a 777 is not done in IAI. They usually do only the 767

    I: But they still do

    C: I do not think that Boeing approved retraining program to 777, i.e there is currently no engeneering program for conversion of the Boeaing 777 - either with IAI or with other conversion companies.

    N: First, I would like to say that you took a photography in prohibited area. Second - the above certainly does not look as intended for dissolution.

    Z: My friend who is an instructor in IAI said that this plane is meant for dissolution, but there may be a change and another company decided to buy it, I don't know.

    The conversation then moved to the the prohibition on taking photos of these areas.
    ------------------

    I do feel that the constant preoccupation with the vanishing plane may be causing us to ignor some very important things that are happening nowdays with and within our society, it may all very well serve the globalist agenda.
    As been said, we are made to look to the left when the real things are happening to the right.

    Many Blessings ~

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    Hmm, could there be a same kind of changeover plan like between the Titanic and Olympic?
    Why was a fairly new plane planned to be taken apart? Was it damaged?

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    [QUOTE=Rocky_Shorz;819117][QUOTE=heretogrow;819102]
    Quote Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)
    he wasn't landing at male, he was attempting to drop into kadhdhoo airport with a wounded plane...

    onboard fire, communications out, and he had one small landing strip right in front of him when the natives heard the low flying plane...



    that landing strip is the Island below the green dot...



    the bottom black line on the flight path is the island




    to give this a reason for a closer look, after the fire tank was found, suddenly an official story appeared...

    Quote The Maldives where flight MH370 was seen 8 mar 2014 615 am not picked up by Radar – National Defense Force or Kadhdhoo Airport
    March 29, 2014
    tags: flight 173 mH 370 maldives 615 am 8 mar 2014 INMARSAT satellite data jacksons intl airport flight 55093 N13979 Google Maps, flight MH370 pings maldives indian ocean hong kong gulf of guinea march 2014 flight 173, maldives mar 8 2014 flight 173 and flight Mh370 Kadhdhoo Airport no Radar - pings INMARSAT SATELLITE with ACAS, N13979 Google Maps (1), no Radar flight Mh370 Kadhdhoo Airport eyewitness 8 mar 2014 615 am lands 620 am defense military technology Google Maps (2), The Maldives where flight MH370 was seen 8 mar 2014 615 am not picked up by Radar - National Defense Force or Kadhdhoo Airport

    link
    and yes you read that right...

    seen 6:15

    Lands 6:20...



    this was the first time I heard that the flight pinged 10 days later, but wait, it was in the air over the US on the 22nd? Did it fly the cargo back?

    remember the headline "March 21, 2014 Malaysia Airlines “Suspicious Cargo” Destroyed In Massive New Mexico Explosion"



    I've never heard of these other pings, does anyone know anywhere to confirm the info?

    could a jet used in cloaking or running ping diversion have been flown back to Colorado without changing it's signal back?
    now an image of a large passenger jet parked at this airport, with a broken wing...

    Quote Posted by King Arthur (here)
    From 2 mins into the video
    If you look to the left side of the runway, doesn't it look like a plane recently over ran the runway disturbing the ocean bottom? looks like 2 have... or one bounced...


    edited to add: this isn't flight 370, it is an air transport plane of the Maldives, but what it does show, is that flight 370 could have landed, refueled and continued on to Diego GarCIA where the suspicious cargo was inspected for safety before flying it back over Africa to the ping location before refilling and continuing on with the flight to New Mexico... the pings continued, even if flight MH370 ended at Diego...

    Airport latitude and longitude are: 0 41' 31" S, 73 9' 21" E
    The runway length is 8700 feet (2665 meters)
    The aircraft shown in the video, based on wingspan and length, matches a Boeing 767-300ER which, based on load and density altitude, can land/take-off from 8700 feet.
    Current Google Earth imagery date is 5 February 2013.

    the video mentioned Bing image, but sounds like this plane is parked there almost daily...
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    Question by Sarah Bajc at 11:19 AM:

    first of all, thank you duncan for your efforts in this. your logic and careful sell assessments for points of error are refreshing in the sea of misinformation we have found ourselves.

    my partner philip is on the missing plane. i am not sure if i am the only passenger family member to comment to you, but i can tell you that we share your website link with all families who join our still loose association.

    perhaps you have covered this point but i’m just not seeing it in your postings … what about the time after the last received ping and when the plane would have either run out of fuel or made another ping? that could be 5 minutes or 55 minutes. if the person in control of that plane was as clever as i think they were, they could have turned that plane in any direction immediately after that last ping and intentionally ensured it didn’t ping again (by turning off the engines) to disclose a new direction. if you draw a circle around each of your hypothetical plots, what does that open up in terms of ending spots?

    there has been much in the press regarding the crowdsourced efforts of tomnod scanning satellite images. it has seemed a waste of time to me as the images offered for public scan are just open water. is there a way to request coordinate sectors (aligned with these new ending circles) from them? from google earth? even better, satellite images from 60 days ago and now for the same areas?

    if the above is possible, we could definitely drive a crowdsourced effort to do a compare and contrast to the images from those areas, before and after, assuming we can get the images.

    similarly, is there any way for you to know from the data if that last (or even previous) ping was actually emanating from a grounded location (plane landed with engines still on) instead of from the air?

    thank you duncan. please do let me know if you have received this comment and have any feedback for me on it. i will share that with the other families.

    sarah

    Answer by Duncan at 2:44 PM:

    Hi Sarah:

    Well, this is by far the most difficult received comment for me to respond to, for obvious reasons. My heart goes out to you.

    Please be clear that my answers to your specific questions are based only on what I know; what I don’t know; and the application of ‘scientific method’ as best I am able (and I know that many people find ‘scientific method’ to be maddening!)

    First: “if the person in control of that plane” – I have seen nothing to indicate that anyone was in control of the aircraft from any time after about an hour into the flight. Everything after that time that I know about appears to be consistent with the autopilot being in control, and no-one on board doing anything. The simplest explanation for that would be some on-board catastrophe that incapacitated everyone. I do not know this to be the case, but at this stage it appears to be the most likely situation.

    Whilst my motivation in setting down the preceding paragraph was simply to say what I see from the abstract scientific perspective, having written it I realise that it might provide some solace to you: If indeed that is what happened, then the passengers and crew would not have been conscious throughout some extended flight on which a hijacking had occurred.

    Moving on now: “perhaps you have covered this point but i’m just not seeing it in your postings … what about the time after the last received ping and when the plane would have either run out of fuel or made another ping? that could be 5 minutes or 55 minutes” – I came into this (March 22 was when I started thinking about the situation) from the perspective of a space scientist who realised that Inmarsat had made assumptions in producing the March 15th graph (first indication of ping rings) that were invalid, and so I set about pointing this out and putting it right; that is, incorporating the correct orbit/movement of the satellite. I moved on later to thinking about possible aircraft routes, and whether I could constrain them. At all times I have been working from the direction of things in which I might claim some expertise, and thus could be fairly sure that I was doing it correctly (whilst always subject to amending assumptions). In that context, I know almost nothing about the aviation end of things, and it is aviation matters that control how long the aircraft could fly.

    Having written all of that, my understanding gained from various correspondents is that the 00:11 UTC ping may have been initiated by a terminal set of automated processes that began with the aircraft running out of fuel (one engine at a time), which affects the electrical power generation and therefore all electronic systems. For example, that 00:11 ping might have been due to one engine losing its fuel supply, with the so-called ‘partial ping’ at 00:19 UTC being prompted by the other engine then running out of fuel. On the other hand, there are other explanations for the pings that have been proposed, connected with the electronics and computer systems failing/re-booting and so on in an extreme situation caused by fuel exhaustion and so electrical power loss. I have received two comments (around here on this website) from people who have information from B777 simulator runs that indicate what happens when such an aircraft runs out of fuel. The above comments I wrote about the pings are in general accord with those simulator runs.

    In summary: it seems very likely that the 00:11 UTC ping indicates indirectly the onset of fuel exhaustion in a flight that was not under human control, and that in the following ten minutes the aircraft crashed. I would expect that the crash site is quite close to the 00:11 UTC ping ring as shown in white on my graphics. Since you asked how far from that ring the end point might be, I simply say that people with aviation knowledge and experience have said that as the aircraft actually runs out of fuel and the electronics/avionics systems fail, the behaviour of the aircraft can be quite erratic with a series of stalls and dives, perhaps with rapid turns, and so the crash site might actually be inside of that final ping ring, rather than outside of it as generally presumed.

    I repeat what I wrote above: the simplest explanation for what happened to this aircraft is that very early in the flight all on board were incapacitated for some reason, and so it would be safe to assume that at the end of the flight and the impending crash there was no-one in a conscious state.

    You asked: “similarly, is there any way for you to know from the data if that last (or even previous) ping was actually emanating from a grounded location (plane landed with engines still on) instead of from the air?” My answer is that although I believe that Inmarsat has made errors in deriving its graph which shows things called Burst Frequency Offsets, the errors involve the sizes of the values (putting things simply) rather than them being entirely wrong. Now, from the BFOs one can derive a Doppler shift, which is a measure of the line-of-sight speed between the satellite and the aircraft. We allow for the satellite’s known speed, and so can then get some evaluation of the aircraft’s speed, although it is quite complicated and not precise. The point is this: even though I think that Inmarsat’s BFO values may have been miscalculated in detail, still one cannot find a fit for a zero aircraft speed at 00:11 UTC. That is, it was still flying at that time.

    Regarding satellite imagery: the truth is that is an area that I know quite a bit about, but it would take me many hours or days to describe where and how to access and analyse the available satellite imagery, and that would prohibit me from doing what I have been doing in terms of trying to deduce possible aircraft routes. (An example of what can be done quickly by those who know what to do is the use of data from NASA’s Terra and Aqua satellites by Dr Kuang in China, who quickly came up with a suggested crash location in the Beshtash Valley.) Might I, through this message, appeal to others out there to investigate what can and should be done in this regard? There are many websites to work through, such as http://science.nasa.gov/missions/terra/ ; http://modis.gsfc.nasa.gov/ ; http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/ Those are just NASA websites, through which satellite imagery is freely available (thankyou, American taxpayer!) There are many other space agencies that have satellite imagery available (ESA, JAXA and so on), plus many commercial companies (DigitalGlobe and so on: http://www.digitalglobe.com/ ). Just to note: Google/Google Earth is a user of satellite imagery rather than a supplier, as such.

    To close this reply to you, my most earnest wish is that all of us are wrong, and in fact the aircraft was hijacked and safely landed somewhere such as northern Tibet or southern Qinjiang. However, my belief is that what I described above is broadly what happened: there was some calamity such as a fire on board soon after 17:21 UTC, the pilots managed to get the aircraft onto automatic pilot but could do no more, everyone was quickly incapacitated by that catastrophe and were either dead or unconscious thereafter, and eventually the aircraft crashed when it ran out of fuel.

    If I can answer any more questions, please do ask. If you would prefer private answers, please either email me direct or else post a comment here saying ‘Not for posting’ and I will then answer by email and not post either your enquiry or my answer.

    My best wishes to you,

    Duncan

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    Quote Posted by Duncan Steel
    Dr Kuang in China [...] came up with a suggested crash location in the Beshtash Valley. [...] This guy (Dr Kuang) is an expert in satellite remote sensing and GIS. He was applying professional skills. Hats off to him, even if his suggestion is wrong. He attacked the problem properly using his particular expertise and experience.

    The posts, by Dr Yaoqiu Kuang [here, and here, and here] are apparently in Han Chinese (not one of my languages), but Google translates.
    From the above links (Google translation):

    2014-3-20:

    Through the analysis of satellite images corridor on the northern section of the arc represents, I found that 2014 March 8 am 6 : 00UTC (am local time 11 : 00 ; YORK pm 2 : 00 ), crossing the United States TERRA satellite images, about south of the state capital in northwestern Kyrgyzstan Talas 30 kilometers of the valley, he is a huge smoke plume, broke through the white clouds, forming a width of 2,000 meters, up to 30 km smoke streamers


    2014 March 8 am 6 : 00UTC northwestern Kyrgyzstan Talas visible band image near the state capital


    7-2-1 band image


    3-6-7 band image

    The source of the smoke streamers have a dense forest, and forest fires may be related. But here is located in an altitude of 2400-3600 meters high mountain regions, this time it is ice and snow, and deserted, most likely due to forest fires caused by the aircraft crashed.

    The same day, 7 : 45 UTC (noon local time 12 : 45 ; YORK pm 3 : 45 ), the U.S. transit AQUA satellite images did not see the smoke streamers, indicating that the forest fire duration is not long, has completely extinguished. Just at the source of the smoke streamers on the northern section of the arc represented by the aforementioned corridor.

    Further calculations MH370 disappear from the Malaysian military radar time (GMT 2 : 15 ) and position (latitude 5 ° 16 ' , longitude 99 ° 9 ' ), and the distance to that point ( 4880 km), and the flight to the point the time required (per hour 850 kilometers per about 5 hours 45 minutes), with the MH370 finally signaled the time is quite consistent.

    Therefore, I speculate MH370 flight probably in March 8 am 2 when 15 to get rid of the Malaysian military radar to track to the northwest of the flight of about 4,900 km, out of fuel, on March 8 Day 8 : 11 points crash Talas south of the state capital of the Kyrgyz Republic of 30 kilometers in the valley.


    northwest near the state capital of Kyrgyzstan Talas image map




    MH370 suspected crash at Beshtash valley landscape topography'

    In-depth analysis of thermal infrared remote sensing data further corroborated south of the state capital northwestern Kyrgyzstan Talas 30 kilometers Beshtash a valley valley is likely MH370 airliner crash land speculation.

    Therefore, the proposed rescue forces attention south of the Kyrgyz Republic Talas northwest of the state capital 30 kilometers of the valley (specific coordinates: latitude 42 ° 15'37 " , longitude 72 ° 23'48 " ), where March 8 reads There are signs of suspected early morning crash.

    [...] our government should be sent as soon as possible to investigate the search and rescue. Of course, time has passed nearly 10 days, the crashed aircraft personnel little hope for survivors, but timely and relevant evidence to find the black box of crashed unravel mysteries, to understand the truth, to prevent similar incidents from happening again, is of great significance.
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