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    Default What I see coming for the next few years.

    What I see coming (unless by some intervention the dark forces dominant over human history for at least the last few millenia lose control):
    • Economic collapse in the US and Europe (and many places elsewhere) for the next 2 to 4 years
    • Then serious risk of World War III between NATO and China/Russia.
    • Then New World Order economically, politically, financially, monetarily, ...
    So far, Americans and Europeans are not feeling great pain. Times are not the best, but things "seem normal". Most still have their normal jobs, and the rest are getting by. Stock markets are back to new highs, housing prices have significantly recovered from the 2008 major decline, and imported goods (much of our food, energy and stuff) are still available and affordable. There have been no major riots in the streets of the US or the wealthier Eurozone nations. Most of the baby-boomers (those now in their 50's and 60's) expect to have some sort of retirement, from their savings, their various retirement plans, the equity in their home, or at least Social Security and Medicare.

    The Ukraine conflict will be used as one of the major excuses for the economic collapse [14]. The Ukraine conflict, while it may have some relatively minor military fighting, won't erupt into global war. Rather it will be used to justify escalating economic sanctions by the US and EU against Russia and their allies such as China [15], [16], [17], and by Russia and China against the NATO countries (Europe, USA) [18].

    This will result in Russia and their ally in this [12] China pulling out support for the US Dollar and the US Treasury market.

    This will be blamed as the trigger for a major collapse of the Western banking system and of the dominance of the US Petro-Dollar. Major Western banks will fail. The stock market will crash [22]. IMF austerity measures will be imposed (perhaps fairly soon [7]) on the US and some European nations. Retirement funds and/or bank deposits will be confiscated to fund the excessive debt. Guns will be confiscated [13]. Various freedoms, including on the Internet, will be further limited. The savings of the US middle class, mostly in the forms of their retirement funds, bank accounts and home equity, will all suffer massive losses (theft). Incomes will decline, even collapse. The price to Americans of imported goods will rise a few-fold as other nations will no longer be as interested in accepting payment in US Dollars.

    Much of this collapse is already in the cards, with the increasingly fraudulent pyramid schemes of debt and deceit by the current public financial agencies of the US, UK and Eurozone ... but the monetary and energy export retaliation of Russia will take the blame as the trigger. Selling of US Treasury bonds by Russia and China would collapse the current financial system (in the view of John Williams of Shadowstats [4], with the concurrence of Pastor Lindsey Williams [5]).

    The Ukraine peninsula of Crimea, with its only Russian warm water naval base, the gas pipelines crossing Ukraine, and the food produced by Ukraine, are vital Russian interests with long historical Russian ties and a Russian speaking and identifying population in the eastern part of Ukraine. Russia will -not- let that be taken from them. US President Obama is escalating the financial and political pressure on Russia and their ally in this, China. Obama cannot win militarily in that region of the world against the Russian military, and he cannot afford to look too weak [8]. So Obama is being forced into escalating economic sanctions [17], which will result in a Russian [6], [11] and Chinese withdrawal of support for the vastly over extended, rotten to the core, Western US Dollar based financial system, causing it to collapse. What has played out in a smaller scale in so many nations such as recently Argentina [7] will play out on the streets of the US.

    Only after Americans have gone through at least a couple of years of "Great Depression II" will they be ready for the next step - major hot war, between NATO on one side and the China/Russia axis on the other side [9], [10]. Humanity and life on earth will survive that war - but many humans and other living beings won't.

    Before a population can be engaged in a major war, they must be "brought to a boil" ... a complacent population does not engage in major war. Americans are too complacent. So we "need" a couple years of hard times, starvation, homelessness, rioting, collapse of major institutions, trials of bankers, loss of savings in banks, retirement, and home equity, and loss of medical support, before we'll be "hot" enough for a major false flag trigger to ignite us into supporting a serious war. Major false flag events such as 9/11 are sufficient to justify "easy" foreign wars (fought, like the US fought Vietnam previously, while Americans at home continued enjoying life as usual [23]), but they are not sufficient to justify "hard" wars. Hard wars require a desperate people, ready to endure substantial hardship. They must be preceded by a major depression or other such hard times.

    Then, after World War III, we earthlings will be ready for a serious world government, controlled from behind the scenes, as always, by the same dark forces that have been dominant over human history for the last few millenia. Only after the dark forces that dominate this planet have achieved sufficient global control can they expose their space faring and advanced technology free energy and weapons, which will make (in Joseph P. Farrell's phrase) a hydrogen bomb look like a firecracker [1].

    Global mass control of humanity depends essentially on global mass surveillance of humanity. Hence the Internet.

    Global mass control of humanity depends essentially on humans responding en masse, as earthling humans, not as patriots of some particular nation. Hence the Internet.

    After World War III, nationalism and patriotism will become taboo. The American flag will join the Nazi swastika in the minds of Americans. The general distrust of our federal government in the US is an intentional prelude to this change. Both New York (big banks) and Washington, DC (big politics) are being setup to fail.

    Instead, nameless, faceless, technology so advanced that it seems like magic will handle the routine affairs of managing the politics and economics of human society. The "singularity" [2] will have arrived. The local banks such as Bailey Building and Loan Association [3], will be replaced by all electronic means such as a next generation BitCoin. I'm confident however that any such "money" will still be "lent" into existence, as "debt" has proven itself to be one of the most effective and powerful tools of the bastards in power, the dark forces who stand behind and control kings, presidents, CEO's, and their various nations and institutions.

    During this (unfortunate) transition, those (like most of us here) who see too much too soon, and who start replacing their national identify with human identify too soon, will be surveilled, controlled, confused and tyrannized [19], [20], [21] as necessary, while the flag waving, GMO junk food eating, fluoridated water drinking, TV watching, irradiated, chem-trailed, vaccinated, dumb downed and indoctrinated majority, are "cooked" under suitable heat and pressure to form the intended global mass of compliant humanity.

    References to various reports, news and analysis supporting or referenced by the above conclusions:
    [1] Joseph P. Farrell interview (Project Camelot)
    [2] The coming technology singularity (The Guardian)
    [3] It's a Wondeful Life - Jimmy Stewart
    [4] Economist John Williams: Financial Collapse if Russia Sells U.S. Dollar Holdings (Greg Hunter)
    [5] Lindsey Williams commenting on John Williams forecast
    [6] Putin Targets America’s Achilles Heel: “He’s Going to Destroy the Stock Markets”
    [7] Chaos, riots, looting as police go on strike in Argentine city (rt.com, December 2013)
    [8] Obama And Putin Are Trapped In A Macho Game Of “Chicken” And The Whole World Could Pay The Price
    [9] The Grand Chess Board of World War III (Dave Hodges)
    [10] The Grand Chessboard of WWIII (Part Two) (Dave Hodges)
    [11] Putin Advisor Threatens With Dumping US Treasurys, Abandoning Dollar If US Proceeds With Sanctions (Zerohedge)
    [12] China Sides With Russia On Sanctions; Ambassador Warns "Western Nations Would Be Hurting Themselves" (Zerohedge)
    [13] Mother Of All Meltdowns – Steve Quayle & Greg Evensen – Deliberate Destruction Of America (Steve Quayle)
    [14] Ukraine Crisis: Just Another Globalist-Engineered Powder Keg (Brandon Smith, of alt-market.com)
    [15] Executive Order -- Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Ukraine (US Whitehouse.gov, March 8, 2014)
    [16] Obama declares economic war with China by executive order (Guerilla Media Network)
    [17] Obama Sanctions Russia With Executive Order ‘Blocking Property Of Certain Persons Contributing To The Situation In Ukraine’ (Pat Dollard)
    [18] Russia Threatens to Impose Sanctions On U.S. Corporations (Infowars.com)
    [19] Internet Shills (Joseph P. Farrell)
    [20] Western spy agencies build ‘cyber magicians’ to manipulate online discourse (rt.com)
    [21] How Covert Agents Infiltrate the Internet to Manipulate, Deceive, and Destroy Reputations (Glenn Greenwald)
    [22] Expect A Hard Pullback Of U.S. Stock Market, Here's Why. (Gregory Mannarino)
    [23] George Bush encouraging Americans to go to Disney, enjoy life, after 9/11
    Nota bene: all these referenced sources have feet of clay. They all get it wrong sometimes, seriously wrong sometimes. Well, perhaps I have hooves of gelatin, rather than feet of clay ... but the same caveat holds. Most of my doom & gloom forecasts over the years have failed absymally. Here's hoping that my track record continues.
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    Default Re: What I see coming for the next few years.

    The "arrival of Superconsciousness" will throw a monkey wrench into the plans of the elite...the only question is when.

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    Default Re: What I see coming for the next few years.

    Based on the data we have available, the scenario you describe certainly seems plausible if not probable. My inner voice, however, continually reassures me that I did not incarnate on this planet at this time just to helplessly watch it spin into perpetual darkness. In any case, it seems to me the best course of action is to envision the future you want to live in and work toward actualizing that reality.

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    Default Re: What I see coming for the next few years.

    Quote Posted by superconsciousness (here)
    The "arrival of Superconsciousness" will throw a monkey wrench into the plans of the elite...the only question is when.
    I hope you arrive soon enough, dear superconsciousness.
    "When you've seen beyond yourself, then you may find, peace of mind is waiting there." ~ George Harrison

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    Quote Posted by Hawkwind (here)
    Based on the data we have available, the scenario you describe certainly seems plausible if not probable. My inner voice, however, continually reassures me that I did not incarnate on this planet at this time just to helplessly watch it spin into perpetual darkness. In any case, it seems to me the best course of action is to envision the future you want to live in and work toward actualizing that reality.
    I got such an energy rush as I read your post Hawkwind. I totally agree that the other side of the coin is all of us rising up. Our positive stAr brothers will help us I feel as well. I don't know how I just feel they will/are. I went outside last night and the sky wAs so clear. I focussed on the star Arcturus and I definately felt their energy. I gave them my consent/asked for their help in my own spiritual development, so as I develop, I can help others. They're out there. They honor freewill and universal laws. If someone wants to connect, be sure to specify POSITIVES and to send out love. I got back a strong love presence. We can do this!

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    Default Re: What I see coming for the next few years.

    Thanks for that, Paul. I hope you're wrong as well.
    When I think about stuff like this, I always wonder, well, why haven't they done it already? They could always make up excuses to pull the trigger on WWIII and implement the NWO. I mean, why it didn’t happen after 9/11. If they want to pull the trigger, they would pull the trigger; I don't really believe they need the support of the people. But what do i know about this stuff? Not much, really.

    As far as superconciousness intervening-that would be nice too but I don't know. I don't think anyone really understands god/ universe/ source or whatever certainly not me but one thing I believe (although it doesn't really give me any solace) is that EVERYTHING is a part of god (one term for ease), the "good", the "bad", etc, because in god's "eyes", there is no "good" or "bad", think of all of the atrocities god "allows" to happen, why would there be any intervention in us blowing ourselves up. Our souls will live on past this human experience. I'm sure other planets have blown themselves to bits before somewhere out in the superuniverses more than once. Other times asteroids smash into planets and demolish complete civilizations, again God "allows" it. Just has god has "allowed" the ETs reptilians, Cabal, Hitler, and all of the rest do what they have done. Who the heck really knows what the plan is. The best we can do (I think) is just love ourselves and one another as best as we can and not give into fear and anger because at the end of the day what will be will be.
    Secret elders from a gentle race,
    this world has seldom seen.
    Talk of days for which we sit and wait
    when all will be revealed. :wizard:

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    Default Re: What I see coming for the next few years.

    Come on, don't hold back Paul. Why are you painting such a Rosy picture?
    There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

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    From an Administrator nonetheless
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    Quote Posted by Tyy1907 (here)
    From an Administrator nonetheless laugh
    Can you elaborate on your statment?
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    Default Re: What I see coming for the next few years.

    Quote Posted by superconsciousness (here)
    The "arrival of Superconsciousness" will throw a monkey wrench into the plans of the elite...the only question is when.
    What is the basis of your belief in the "arrival of Superconsciousness"? I hold out a similar hope, but I'm not sure why. I've had the standard ahead-of-our-time premonitions for years... got the New Earth t-shirt and the synchronicity shot glass. Still, I wonder if it is just the mad trick of some sort of superior intelligence. Perhaps I should quit waiting on, and working toward, some sort of rapid emergence of mass superconsciousness and just "Enjoy every sandwich" as the late, great Warren Zevon advised. Not crazy about the picture the OP has painted, but it's par for the global golf course the creepy reality engineers are always busy building around us. What say you, Superconsciousness? Keep the faith or work on my tan?

    (In all seriousness, I plan to "keep the faith", but I really would like to hear why you believe what you believe, SC. Any others here with similar sentiments and a rationale for them? Thanks!)
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    I don't believe that we can predict exactly what will take place. One of the terms that annoys me is "Black Swan" as in a black swan event, this is something that is defined
    as entirely unpredictable, yet people use it on things which are following a completely predictable path. The real term should be Dragon King event. We do not know what will cause a collapse, but we can use a set of predictions to see where we are headed and how it will all play out. I think it could take quite a while. The first thing that will probably happen is the slow looting of people's wealth, pension funds etc, then we might see bank bail ins, people's savings confiscated. Then some big bank failures
    I can't see a reason for war here.Really there needs to be some benefit, and there would be none, also Obama is talking of cutting the US military to world war two levels.
    I think the US is more concerned about trouble within her own borders, hence the buying up of hollow nosed ammunition ( which cannot be use by the army anyway under the geneva convention) if you read Jim Rickards blog you will see that economic re sets are common, and also he does a video showing how China culd destroy the US by economics alone
    http://jimrickards.blogspot.co.uk/

    and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GC_hAeFg-8

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    it never, EVER comes as we expect it-

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    Default Re: What I see coming for the next few years.

    Quote Posted by Wind (here)
    Quote Posted by superconsciousness (here)
    The "arrival of Superconsciousness" will throw a monkey wrench into the plans of the elite...the only question is when.
    I hope you arrive soon enough, dear superconsciousness.
    Superconsciousness is asking for us to help start the process by each of us consciously trying to become superconscious.
    When you are one step ahead of the crowd, you are a genius.
    Two steps ahead, and you are deemed a crackpot.

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    Default Re: What I see coming for the next few years.

    Thank you Paul, for your detailed post.

    On one hand I do think you're right. On the other I'm afraid that reality is more complex.

    Several people (including me) think that in this moment, in this planet, coexist 4-5 parallel collective time-lines. Individually, all we move among them according to our vibrational level. Obviously, the future you're describing correspond to the darkest one. So...I we don't want such terrible future, the best we can do is to reinforce our personal work in order to increase our respective vibrational level. Reduce fear to the lowest possible level is essential. That will be our best contribution to our future.

    As mentioned by Hawkwind above, I don't think I have incarnated to experience such a dark future, so... :-)

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    Quote Posted by Tyy1907 (here)
    Our positive stAr brothers will help us I feel as well. I don't know how I just feel they will/are.
    That's certainly a possibility, but I feel that part of evolving is learning to clean up our own mess.

    Quote Posted by EC1000 (here)
    When I think about stuff like this, I always wonder, well, why haven't they done it already?
    The goal isn’t to pull the trigger. The goal is to hit the target and the target (in this case) is absolute and inescapable global domination. 9/11 went a long way toward setting up the infrastructure which would make that possible, ie- surveillance cameras on every street corner. Moreover, that and the subsequent false flag events have created a mind-set among the general populace which not only accepts ubiquitous surveillance as a necessary evil, but views it as an unquestioned good. The sheeple had to learn to love Big Brother.

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    EVERYTHING is a part of god (one term for ease), the "good", the "bad", etc, because in god's "eyes", there is no "good" or "bad", .
    Okay, soapbox time. (Feel free to skip, if existential postulating isn’t your thing.) From my current level of understanding I don’t think this statement is quite accurate. As I mentioned in a recent post on another thread, the teachings on this subject that best correlate with my own understanding are from Baba Ram Dass. He talks about the zero, the one and the two. The zero is the undifferentiated ground of being, the formless void. The one is a single unified consciousness, god without attributes. The two is the world of duality which we experience as normal waking reality. From the perspective of the two, god is not both good and bad. There are good aspects of god and bad, masculine and feminine, creative and destructive. Yes, all of these aspects arise from the same undifferentiated source, but at that level the attributes don’t exist. At the level where attributes do exist (I believe) they exist separately.
    Ram Dass also defines good as that which moves us toward union with god and bad (evil) as that which moves us toward separation. Therein lies the reason I feel making a distinction is warranted.

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    Our souls will live on past this human experience.
    Yes, but lessons are repeated until learned. I don’t know about you, but I have no desire to go through this curriculum again.

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    The best we can do (I think) is just love ourselves and one another as best as we can and not give into fear and anger because at the end of the day what will be will be.
    Well, yes- but unless free will is a complete illusion, our thoughts and actions at least partially determine what will be.

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    These are perhaps the two key references from my opening post:
    [17] Obama Sanctions Russia With Executive Order ‘Blocking Property Of Certain Persons Contributing To The Situation In Ukraine’ (Pat Dollard)
    [11] Putin Advisor Threatens With Dumping US Treasurys, Abandoning Dollar If US Proceeds With Sanctions (Zerohedge)
    I am almost certain that, once Russia and China openly dump US Treasuries and abandon the US Dollar, then the Western financial structures will collapse -- suffer major damage.

    Most Americans will no longer think that "life is normal".
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    On the other I'm afraid that reality is more complex.
    Yes - beyond a doubt - reality is more complex.

    As others have noted in the past, alerting to an oncoming train is not done to instill fear. It is done, in your words, "to reinforce our personal work in order to increase our respective vibrational level."

    When one sees the train ahead of time and stands aside, and the train passes with little harm, that empowers us. We learn, once again, that we have the power to overcome or avoid such harm.

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    Let's say that one is 99% certain the the current monetary system is going to crash BIG TIME where whatever money one has now in any shape or form will be worthless when that happens.

    So let's say one instead decides to buy up supplies and goods that one can barter after the crash in order to survive? So my question is, what kind of things should one be stocking up on at this point in time to be able to barter in a market like that and still come out on top?

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    the only way to bring in a new world order is the current order must collapse ...
    Raiding the Matrix One Mind at a Time ...

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    So. I’ve been metaphorically pacing the floor all day here, trying to come up with a coherent comment on your very astute analysis, Paul. And I must say that –along one very high probability timeline – you’ve got it knocked. Bingo. And damn. We could be down the tubes, and the NWO wins. Tyranny rules and we are droids – again - for the next 26,000 years.

    Yes. This is entirely possible. We cannot discount this outcome.

    But. However.

    I keep hoping that the score is somehow actually tied here, and the Great Game is not over. We - the new humanity – are still players.

    I keep looking at the unexpected lucky breaks, the unpredicted events: i.e. Edward Snowden emerges; Putin moves unexpectedly into Crimea; Syrian/Iranian war is rejected; researchers credibly dispute 9/11, the Boston bombing, Sandy Hook, etc; USS Enterprise (and other) false flags are aborted; US Senate suddenly furious about CIA snooping; etc etc. And maybe the public is slowly awakening to WTF? Alt Media is gaining ground.

    And I keep hoping these are small but indicative breakthroughs in the matrix, lobs of the freemen back across the cosmic ‘net, which keep the game from breaking decisively in the NWO's favor.

    Greater things have started from less. Their system is outdated and f*cked. Financial collapse is only a symptom of a much greater rot that they’d like us to believe is “all planned”. In reality, they’re running like scared rabbits at some level. Their own system – which they engineered – may be imploding on them.

    Could be.

    Yes, the collapse will rain on us all. Not fun.

    But if we can keep clear heads and hearts, perhaps we can build the way forward in the next phase of the great cycle.

    With much love and courage to all,

    Selene
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