Meditation, and any work with Chi or Prana may invite possession by Jinn

[Dawn]

This is a very big surprise to me. It is coming after a time of intense change and study that I have been embarked upon. As a former Zen student, yoga teacher, and healer this really means a big change in viewpoint for me. If it is true it could explain a lot of strange things that have happened in my life. Here's the link to the information:

http://www.thejinn.net/chi_jinn_my_story.htm

This article is really chilling, and very convincing. I know many members of Avalon are students of various Eastern arts and have spent some time in meditation. Therefore this topic is important to look into. Here is a small quote from this excellent and detailed article:

I began learning martial arts over a decade ago, I was always very keen and took great interest not only in the physical sciences of the art but also the spiritual aspects. I studied many systems during this time including both Japanese and Chinese systems (both northern and southern systems as well as internal and external systems). All my instructors were of the highest calibre, including a Shaolin Monk from China, Grand Masters and national champions (and if I was to provide you with their names I don’t think anyone would dispute their skill and genuine martial arts lineage)......

It was upon doing some prelimary research on the subject of Sleep paralysis which consists of a period of inability to perform voluntary movements either at sleep onset (called hypnogogic or predormital form) or upon awakening (called hypnopompic or postdormital form) that I began to discover that this was often associated with withcraft and magic throughout history, where the term the old Hag was frequently used and is still used to describe a demon, ghost, etc. that sits upon their victim's chest, causing paralysis and sometimes making it hard to breathe. I decided to investigate further and read a book bought by my brother titled "The Exorcist Tradition in Islam" By Dr. Bilal Philips University of Wales. In it the author describes these symptoms of sleep paralysis as the beginning signs of demonic/jinn possession. However still not adequately convinced of any sinister goings on I decided to continue my interests in the martial arts.

This is not a fear porn post because I also would like to include information on how to remove Jinn. However first I'd like to point you to this very detailed story. If you look at the entire story and see all the supporting article links you will likely come to the conclusion that our western spiritual culture may have been totally compromised through what amounts to Jinn (demonic) rituals: http://www.thejinn.net/truth_about_spontaneous_chi.htm

Here is the jewel of the above story: http://www.thejinn.net/chi_jinn_my_story.htm
He talks about his exorcism and about vomiting up an mixing bowl sized amount of ectoplasm. It is both icky and hopeful that such help is available.

After 30 mins of this the Sheikh then told me to take the headphones off and sit in the centre of the room were he's assistants were waiting. He asked me to take on a different sitting posture (sitting on my legs with my palms on top). One of the Sheikhs assistants who was behind me that then took a hold of my head and then forced hold of my eye lids putting some unusual drops into my eyes. The pain was excruciating. I began to cry, however all was not as it seemed. My control over my body became less so and although I was feeling the pain from the eye drop which was resonating throughout my body it wasn't all being born my me. Something very unusual began to surface from inside me and was being hit by the pain caused by the eye drops. At this point I began crying excessively however it wasn't myself crying, I was almost like a spectator in my own body watching something else within me suffering and undergoing great torment. The Sheikh began yelling "leave him!!! leave him or else you will have to undergo more of this!!!". The assistants at this point were holding me either side due to the violent uncontrollable nature by which I was swaying and trying to break out of the sitting position the Sheikh had asked me to adopt. The Sheikh then asked me to recite certain verses of the Quran, but I was unable to. He came over to me sat down and started praying over me. Whilst I was crying my lips would utter sounds and speech of "naay, don't, naay" as well as some other sounds I was unfamiliar with. I was also spitting out a lots of saliva and nasal mucus was coming out of my nose, my whole face was awash with tears. He took some water and splashed it over my neck, then all of a sudden I was able to recite.

Gradually the effects of the drops began to wear off as the pain began to subside and the crying slowed down and then eventually stopped. I was later told that the jinns see through the eyes of the human and that the ointment that the sheikh put into my eyes was also tantamount to putting it into the eyes of the jinn itself as well. Also the pain that I felt correlated with the power & control the jinns had over me.

And finally, here is a short video of an Imam removing Jinns from a man:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=v9P7aOLe3Tg

[Synchronicity]

I do think there is plenty of reason for some to want people to be afraid of any energy work that really can help us become whole and healthy. Sleep paralysis is our body's way of keeping us from acting out dreams and keeping us safe. My ex once leapt off the bed as he dreamed he was playing basketball lunging for the ball, and if I hadn't grabbed his pj collar he would have bashed his head on the wall. He did things like that in his sleep sometimes and it was listed as a side effect of a drug he had to take. Lack of sleep paralysis could be fatal, and he did end up hurting himself a few times before they changed his meds. So if there is negative energy around at those more vulnerable times it would makes sense that the sometimes frightening experiences of the sleep paralysis while somewhat or fairly awake combined with negative energy in a room or someone/thing around or attached would make for a frightening experience. It happens more often when a person is very tired or stressed, too, and can be from a "malfunction" of the waking/going to sleep functions where paralysis continues for a bit when it should turn off as a person wakes. I'm not saying there's no supernatural aspect to it sometimes, but it really is based on a protective bodily function gone awry.

Now we are more open as we fall asleep and wake, and we are headed into and out of light dreaming states. I have visitors as I fall asleep or wake, and I have tell them to come back when I am awake and can help them. I'm just wondering why submit to something traumatic and painful if a person isn't in distress? And there are much simpler ways to remove attachments or anyone around a person without doing something like that if indeed there is one. Many, many people meditate and do yoga, journey, and so forth without taking on an evil presence, and I think that at least part of that reaction was to the whole exorcism ritual and situation. There just isn't any need for pain and fear if there truly is something attached or around us. A trained, ethical shaman/shamanic practitioner or even other ethical, trained energy workers can help determine if there is something attached, and it is more likely to attach if we don't take care of ourselves energetically than if we do with meditation, yoga, and safe journeying.

Now if someone is around negative energy, attracts it with negativity or for some other reason, or is weak physically, energetically, or emotionally it does happen and can need removal, and some carry attachments from childhood dysfunctional homes, but from training and experience I would respectfully suggest that meditation done with a positive intent when people don't invite anyone who wants to come into them to come (which is seriously dangerous) is really beneficial, and that yoga, done safely and with positive intent, isn't going to attract something negative and evil. And if a person had something, there are much simpler and less traumatic ways to remove them. I don't see that anything was really removed from him that was proven to come from meditation or yoga? The whole idea seems fear-based to me personally.

I'm not saying there is only one way to look at anything, but I see the opposite situation really often...almost daily. Perhaps there was another reason for the strange things that happened in your life...not saying nothing was around you or attached, and if you did yoga or meditated in a place with a lot of negative people and/or energy I can see a problem, but the practices themselves done safely don't bring in evil. I have seen things like this and dire warnings posted on religious sites, but their goal is to get people to turn to them and to fear what can really help us think for ourselves and connect to our inner voice and some amazing things that can be healing on many levels.

I am not telling you you are wrong, per se, but that what you showed here is from a religion that sure doesn't want people meditating or thinking for themselves, so it doesn't convince me personally of anything except remind me to be very, very careful and leery of people who may have ulterior agendas and want my undivided loyalty. Just my take on it...I wish you healing from whatever you were trying to figure out, but I personally don't buy that it was an evil spirit coming into anyone during properly done meditation or yoga. I wish you peace with this whatever you decide is right for you

[Dawn]

Perhaps there was another reason for the strange things that happened in your life...not saying nothing was around you or attached, and if you did yoga or meditated in a place with a lot of negative people and/or energy I can see a problem, but the practices themselves done safely don't bring in evil. I have seen things like this and dire warnings posted on religious sites, but their goal is to get people to turn to them and to fear what can really help us think for ourselves and connect to our inner voice and some amazing things that can be healing on many levels.

If you had read the articles carefully you would know that a portion of the jinn are considered helpful and even holy. This issue is whether you want to deal with something you do not understand and that is pretty tricky. I have never done anything that I was aware of with 'negative people', and I remember many lifetimes as a yogi, and as a healer in many native cultures across the planet.... but I did not realize that I am working with Jinn.

I have many healing clients, from my 20 years of work as a healer, that would tell you they received tremendous help from me and they are still grateful. However, I am aware that I have something in my body which is not human and which would rather kill me than allow me to be free of it. This is not sovereignty. This is an invasion. I'm sure that sometime in the distant past I made an agreement or decision to work with these beings, but this memory has been cut off from me, which does not allow me to end things without some help at this point.

As far as whether I had negative people around me or some type of bad energy when I meditated I would say definitely not. In fact, I spent most of my time meditating in the deep and beautiful pristine oak woodlands of California's coastal hills.

Syncronicity (and any one else reading this post).... Please read both articles completely, look into the supporting material cited in them, and watch the video before commenting.

Believe me, I have totally believed in what you are saying... but 30 years of meditation and the advanced energies and sities that come with them have been very challenging. My kundalini awoke a long time ago. I am clairvoyant, clairaudiant, telepathic, and so on. I have done various work with prana and chi for a long time. I have changed my mind that the things I have experienced and am still enduring are good. This article is a fresh breath of clean air for me.

[OMG]

I am a life long martial artist, lineage holder and deeply spiritual person. These type of discussions, observations, etc, have been of great interest to me over the years.

A couple points:

• It is my experience that no one or no thing can possess you if you do not allow it.
  
• Regardless of any situation you find your self in as long as you're conscious you can "choose" how you will handle an experience (for good, bad, etc).

If there is an "enemy" maybe it's within unconscious deeds and submissions...

[Sunny-side-up]

Posted by OMG (here)
I am a life long martial artist, lineage holder and deeply spiritual person. These type of discussions, observations, etc, have been of great interest to me over the years.

A couple points:

• It is my experience that no one or no thing can possess you if you do not allow it.
  
• Regardless of any situation you find your self in as long as you're conscious you can "choose" how you will handle an experience (for good, bad, etc).

If there is an "enemy" maybe it's within unconscious deeds and submissions...

Great post Dawn and I still think even after a few posts here in Avalon that the subject of the Jinn needs working on!

OMG yes this happened to me in my early meditative exploration years. I found myself face-to-face with what people now tell me was a Jinn, but I somehow already knew it was a jinn at the time also!

Thing is I ventured (Really Pushed) down a dark meditative route, I wanted to find something out and confront it (I now know a lot my strengthening work is need first Doh)
! Well I found it but was in a dream like state by the time I did, so it took me by surprise. I don't know how long I was in the confrontation or what I might have agreed to!
I do know I had a burst of quickened consciousness afterwards, but! also a string of unhappy luck. You see I snapped out of my trance like state and pulled away from the entity in a rather rude way!



Looking back I don't think it was a good entity because of it's rather frightening visual form, I say this because the Jinn are masters of shape shifting so it could have presented it self in a less shocking way.

Thing about any mediation or mind work is to set up clean, safe bounders first with a prayer or the like. Make sure you set up the conditions first that you will not make any unconscious agreements!

Good Intent as well!

This just a quick reply gotta dash, will re-read you start post and probably re-post some more

Well done and good luck with your climbing back on top of your gained knowledge , in-charge of your self that is!

Love, Peace and Hugs
Alan

[TheVoyager]

Dawn, as I am aware of, there are not so many safe ways to deal with inter dimensional interferences. Some of them claim to expel those forces out of the person, but… where do those forces go after that? Well, they jump into the next available vehicle (body), very often into the present practitioners.

The best technique that I know of for this kind of clearings is called Holographic Kinetics, which is based on the ancient Aboriginal knowledge of the laws of Lore.

We've made many conscious and unconscius agreements and agreements of entrapment through our life (and many lifetimes). Every time we call something external in, we open the doors of our vehicle to that external energy. That is a valid agreement that gives that external energy the right to use our vehicle for their agenda. And every agreement is valid until we brake it.
We might have even decided to incarnate into a vehicle that already has attached external interferences which are coming through the genetic line. We might have entered the games of others and opened ourselves to their attachments (very easy to do when one is a healer and does not know the laws od Lore). Traumatic experiences open our etheric field and make us vulnerable for other forces to enter. And they do enter. Calling angels for help does the same, i.e. it makes a valid agreement which gives them an access to our vehicle. Calling other forces in does the same, be it a bright light, angel guardian, a spirit of an animal or other forces. Mantras (that call deities) do the same. Expressing a wish such as 'I don't want to be here in this body' is an open invitation to something-somebody that does want to be in a physical vehicle, and be sure that it will enter.
Participating in rituals opens inter dimensional doors for other forces to enter our field. Initiations do the same, such as reiki, reconnective healing and similar. Taking drugs does the same. Too much alcohol does the same. Heart transplant does a similar (since the spirit is attached to a heart, the receiver of the heart has now a new spirit inside the body). That's why people change so much after they've had a heart transplant operation. The body is the same but with a new spirit attached to it.
Sometimes these forces are not external, they might be of our own creation from a thought that evolves into a thought form, later on into a life form and finally into an internal created entity. At this stage it can take over our vehicle when it pleases so.

In case you're interested I suggest you to have a look at the youtube channel of the founder of HK:
https://youtube.com/user/HolographicKinetics0

If you need more info feel free to pm me.

[Synchronicity]

Posted by Dawn (here)

Perhaps there was another reason for the strange things that happened in your life...not saying nothing was around you or attached, and if you did yoga or meditated in a place with a lot of negative people and/or energy I can see a problem, but the practices themselves done safely don't bring in evil. I have seen things like this and dire warnings posted on religious sites, but their goal is to get people to turn to them and to fear what can really help us think for ourselves and connect to our inner voice and some amazing things that can be healing on many levels.

If you had read the articles carefully you would know that a portion of the jinn are considered helpful and even holy. This issue is whether you want to deal with something you do not understand and that is pretty tricky. I have never done anything that I was aware of with 'negative people', and I remember many lifetimes as a yogi, and as a healer in many native cultures across the planet.... but I did not realize that I am working with Jinn.

I have many healing clients, from my 20 years of work as a healer, that would tell you they received tremendous help from me and they are still grateful. However, I am aware that I have something in my body which is not human and which would rather kill me than allow me to be free of it. This is not sovereignty. This is an invasion. I'm sure that sometime in the distant past I made an agreement or decision to work with these beings, but this memory has been cut off from me, which does not allow me to end things without some help at this point.

As far as whether I had negative people around me or some type of bad energy when I meditated I would say definitely not. In fact, I spent most of my time meditating in the deep and beautiful pristine oak woodlands of California's coastal hills.

Syncronicity (and any one else reading this post).... Please read both articles completely, look into the supporting material cited in them, and watch the video before commenting.

Believe me, I have totally believed in what you are saying... but 30 years of meditation and the advanced energies and sities that come with them have been very challenging. My kundalini awoke a long time ago. I am clairvoyant, clairaudiant, telepathic, and so on. I have done various work with prana and chi for a long time. I have changed my mind that the things I have experienced and am still enduring are good. This article is a fresh breath of clean air for me.

I was simply saying that there are many other ways for negative aspects of beings or for beings to enter a person. I don't disregard and I do respect your background and experience. I think what you posted is helpful and I appreciate you posting it, just to be clear, which I wasn't. Awareness can be safety most of the time. I am aware, too, that there are compassionate and not -so-compassionate aspects of what see as gods or beings they work with. Perhaps a mention of my perspective will clarify my comments. I don't work with gods as guides or work with any, and I specifically only request and welcome "compassionate healing guides and beings, past Masters, and any compassionate and healing guides, beings, and energies" to come through me as I work. The place I work with energy is the same...I don't ask or welcome anything else, and although I know many healers who ask for gods, guides, God, and many others to work with them and respect that there are many ways to work that do help. I guess I personally have seen too much in my own experience to ask for anything else or allow any other energies to work through me. We all have different paths, and I'm not saying you are wrong or that your research is not valid for you or won't be helpful to anyone.

I think when we do energy work sometimes it is very helpful to have work ourselves, and if you feel something needed some attention inside yourself I would say that is an awareness many healers don't have and applaud you. I guess I also, for clarity, wrote from an aspect of seeing so many people who have experienced various religious-based rituals to rid themselves of something who end up with what they had before plus intense fear that still pervades their lives and blocks them from doing what really can be very satisfying and helpful. That may not be your experience at all and I am very happy for you if it isn't. Obviously you are experienced as well and your experience is what you rely on as I do on mine, and both are valuable. It is wonderful that you have helped so many, and I respect your work and knowledge. It really doesn't matter for your path in the long run if I agree or would work for myself or a client as you choose, but that is my view.

I only commented in the first place because while I respect your background and views, experience, and wish you the best on your path, I would personally think it would be unfortunate for people to read and assume that meditation and yoga are dangerous in general and shouldn't be done, when I see almost daily people who do wonderfully with them and feel physical, emotional, and spiritual healing while using them as part of their lives and do myself. Please know that any comment I ever make is made with a positive intention and not intended to disrespect or minimize another's path. If I don't explain myself well it's not from any ill intention, but just that...perhaps a poor choice of words. Namaste.

[Maunagarjana]

Ah yes, this must be why every meditation group I've been a part of is just full of possessed people. I'm joking, none of them are, because it's a ridiculous idea. I swear, so many people are afraid of their own shadows. Remaining like that is a recipe for staying right where you are and making no progress.

[Synchronicity]

Posted by TheVoyager (here)
Dawn, as I am aware of, there are not so many safe ways to deal with inter dimensional interferences. Some of them claim to expel those forces out of the person, but… where do those forces go after that? Well, they jump into the next available vehicle (body), very often into the present practitioners.

The best technique that I know of for this kind of clearings is called Holographic Kinetics, which is based on the ancient Aboriginal knowledge of the laws of Lore.

We've made many conscious and unconscius agreements and agreements of entrapment through our life (and many lifetimes). Every time we call something external in, we open the doors of our vehicle to that external energy. That is a valid agreement that gives that external energy the right to use our vehicle for their agenda. And every agreement is valid until we brake it.
We might have even decided to incarnate into a vehicle that already has attached external interferences which are coming through the genetic line. We might have entered the games of others and opened ourselves to their attachments (very easy to do when one is a healer and does not know the laws od Lore). Traumatic experiences open our etheric field and make us vulnerable for other forces to enter. And they do enter. Calling angels for help does the same, i.e. it makes a valid agreement which gives them an access to our vehicle. Calling other forces in does the same, be it a bright light, angel guardian, a spirit of an animal or other forces. Mantras (that call deities) do the same. Expressing a wish such as 'I don't want to be here in this body' is an open invitation to something-somebody that does want to be in a physical vehicle, and be sure that it will enter.
Participating in rituals opens inter dimensional doors for other forces to enter our field. Initiations do the same, such as reiki, reconnective healing and similar. Taking drugs does the same. Too much alcohol does the same. Heart transplant does a similar (since the spirit is attached to a heart, the receiver of the heart has now a new spirit inside the body). That's why people change so much after they've had done a heart transplant. The body is the same but with a new spirit attached to it.
Sometimes these forces are not external, they might be of our own creation from a thought that evolves into a thought form, later on into a life form and finally into an internal created entity. At this stage it can take over our vehicle when it pleases so.

In case you're interested I suggest you to have a look at the youtube channel of the founder of HK:
https://youtube.com/user/HolographicKinetics0

If you need more info feel free to pm me.

Thank you for that information! I totally agree that when removing something or going through rituals and initiations we can open doors to things we may not want if we aren't mindful and careful who we invite or work with, and that if we don't send the energies somewhere else we may well take them on ourselves. I work with many energy methods and make sure whatever is released or not needed by the person to move forward and heal either gets help when released (as in someone who didn't step over (cross)) and may simply be lost or in need of help to avoid latching on to someone else, sick emotionally, or just need help moving on, or energy they are releasing is returned to the universe for cleansing. It is an essential part of the process and I teach that as essential, since none of us (speaking in my own situation) want to keep anything around that isn't our own and positive.

I am so glad you brought this aspect up since I have known very skilled healers who didn't do this since they weren't taught to, and they ended up with contaminated work space or issues in their own lives. Very important and thanks..I will check out the video.

Edited to add: I have realized why I reacted strongly to the topic...not anyone in particular, but the topic. When I do energy work and in my life in general I find that the fear itself is what opens a doorway to allow negative energy, which then can grow roots and prevent me from standing between the person I am working on and whatever comes along if need be. I find students who were taught as children that energy work is evil and the devil will come have to work past that and get those words and images they were programmed with under control and released to effectively work on others and self. It's a process and can take awhile, but if I become hesitant and afraid with images from scary movies or something I read, then I can't focus on what I am going and allow the healing energy to work through me and I open the door for anything negative to feel powerful near me. The person on the table may be totally operating from fear or whatever, but I can't be and keep us both safe. Not directed at anyone..just an observation about my own life. And if the topic hadn't been posted I wouldn't have taken this morning to evaluate my reaction, so I thank the op for that opportunity.

I have had people come to me who have asked for any spirit to come...really bad news...and they didn't realize what they did. Now that's a bad situation

[Sunny-side-up]

Synchronicity you posted:

Edited to add: I have realized why I reacted strongly to the topic...not anyone in particular, but the topic. When I do energy work and in my life in general I find that the fear itself is what opens a doorway to allow negative energy, which then can grow roots and prevent me from standing between the person I am working on and whatever comes along if need be. I find students who were taught as children that energy work is evil and the devil will come have to work past that and get those words and images they were programmed with under control and released to effectively work on others and self. It's a process and can take awhile, but if I become hesitant and afraid with images from scary movies or something I read, then I can't focus on what I am going and allow the healing energy to work through me and I open the door for anything negative to feel powerful near me. The person on the table may be totally operating from fear or whatever, but I can't be and keep us both safe. Not directed at anyone..just an observation about my own life. And if the topic hadn't been posted I wouldn't have taken this morning to evaluate my reaction, so I thank the op for that opportunity.

I have had people come to me who have asked for any spirit to come...really bad news...and they didn't realize what they did. Now that's a bad situation

You are right, I think unless we live the day-to-day, every-day life of a Monk where in said state we can fully concentrate on controlling our-inner-demons and mind-slides we can face the risk of causing a negative to come through or manifest!
You might not even realize that you have done it, but there it goes, given form or energy it runs it's course!
We humans do this all the time, but if we are trying to form a stronger effect, we need to be self-guarded, Mind-checked and emotion-checked!
Look at it this way: do you/we/I ever have bad or negative thoughts! do you ever get upset and before you regain control you've cursed someone (well add raised power to it!)?

I like this question 'If tomorrow we all waked up with full manifesting powers, we all suddenly had ESP, Telekinesis and the like! well how many of us would be alive at the end of the day?' we would first need safe control of mind and emotions.

We are evolving along these heightened abilities route, we are awaking to our true selves, it been/being a long route because it needs to be a safe route. This is where bumping into entities like the Jinn can be so harmful, you might have very good intentions but! if something says 'I can give you a little help, if you do a little something for me'! well that leads to the PTB satanic worshiping levels if you don't just do a little cleansing prayer and check intent before delving!

Another way to say it: Many a BAD person started off as a good person and there are many a GOOD person who started off bad! how can that be? because: One thing can/dose lead to another. I think even a good-jinn will get the taste of what you bargained him/her/it with and will end up wanting more and more!
so cleans first!

Just my long time back negative experience views, I used to think I was so strong and good, so UN-taint-able! well I am good of heart and intent but that dose keep you and your output totally safe!

Well somewhere within my reply above is what I was trying to say 0.o just pick out any of the good bits lol!

[Realeyes]

I am very busy today, but wanted to make a post – thank you for your O.P., I have clicked onto the links and read the text.

I understand where your concerns are Dawn.... I too am looking into filling in gaps about the Djjin and all the other Astral wildlife that seems to dwell in such dimensions close to ours. I wouldn't say it is the most riveting ride I have perused, yet is a big eye opener.

Since the age of 2 I have had different types of unwanted visitors/interference at times entering my bedroom – I was too young to even know about mediation or kundalini back then, let alone 'who' such beings were.

In my adult years I do practice kundalini rising – I have personally found it very spiritually progressive and self empowering reconnecting to my greater self and Source bringing a harmonious balance within myself - no longer the fiery reactive person of my past. Have my unwanted visitors etc increased because of such conscious expanding practices? Or is it more on the lines that I have increased my conscious awareness and able to ‘see’ that realm more clearly due such practices that activated greater 'conscious sight’? i.e. cleaning the smears on the window so I can see out.

The other day I watched a very interesting presentation by a Catholic priest Exorcist (one has to bear in mind he is talking from a Catholic religious perspective) yet I found it most interesting. He mentions a whole list of practices such a Reiki, crystals etc that according to the Catholic religion opens interdimensional doors to ‘Satan’. From what I was gathering in my own interpretation, ‘Satan’ and all his hierarchical motley crew sound very much like what Islam call Dijjn. Yet this priest also said his mother practices yoga and this is okay. Other meditations are okay too if one is focusing on 'one God', according to this priest.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=PV4FpKX5HNU

So the question I have asked myself, if I close my conscious awareness down, really dumb myself down and just focus on the physical 3D, ignoring anything outside of gross matter and becoming a simple farmer like in so many of my lifetimes prior – would all such unwanted wildlife such as dijnn be absent in my life? Perhaps they exist in their own right regardless whether I notice them or not? You see, I have met people who have been possessed many of which had no interest in the spiritual path, never done anything new agey that would have invited such in – so I personally sense there is much more to this story that we have yet to understand.

Also as the Catholic priest mentions when referring to 'saints' (paraphrasing) due to their consciousness of spiritual light they do attract such unwanteds. So perhaps Dawn your soul shines brightly and is being noticed by ‘others’ as your awareness reaches into higher levels of conscious awakening - rather than you personally doing some type of wrong practice that somehow welcomed such interference in. I think it is always good to discern any practice, there are practices out there intended to do harm. Simply do what works for oneself and chuck out what does not.

And yes I have seen healers that have good intentions, yet unknowingly ‘adding’ into their patients body unwanteds. I keep well away from such, and do my upmost to D.I.Y. within myself connecting with my god/source for such healings, cutting out any middleman.

Dawn, I only came across your Breatharian thread the other day and only had time to see a few of the links. What I saw so far is so spiritually inspiring. You have an amazing story of experience when you were a breatharian (living on prana/light) and how wild animals would peacefully engage with you - that to me is a sign you were in harmony and 'at one' with life. I am not sure if those animals would have been so at ease with you, let alone come up to you had you been filled with Djjn etc. Just a thought on the prana debate to consider.

Here is another most interesting presentation on transdimensional relationship between dijjn and ET presence. From what I am starting to understand is that other beings exist in 3.5D and 4D just like we exist in 3D. IF what everyone is saying that we as a planet are raising our frequency and conscious awareness, we are slowly moving closer into these other realms of existence, hence why more people are having such experiences as the veils between us are thinning. Also modern day technology is also opening portals such as WiFi.

The key I have found for myself is to not to be afraid or surrender my power over to anyone other than my god/source. When I am 'neutral' connecting to my heart space filled with love and joy in my beingness and knowingness remembering I am an Eternal Being part of God/Source, I have managed to keep safe. Yes some of the challenges that have arisen are most alarming, yet I am still here today with a smile on my face and know more of the strengths I have within me from such experiences.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=JtJj0_XIRyU

I agree Dawn, that it is always productive to redefine what we know, allowing new updates and greater conscious understandings and awareness in our daily walk. I know for myself when I am having a spring clean I have to be mindful not to throw the baby out with the bathwater if I find myself in a flux. I have done that several times in my life, and only upon hindsight realise there was nothing wrong with 'whatever', I was simply in a confusion where I allowed my superstition of uncertainty get in the way. Smile.

Much love to you Dawn
Realeyes X

Ps. One of my common phrases in these Times is: 'that's interesting'....

[Sunny-side-up]

Posted by Realeyes (here)
I am very busy today, but wanted to make a post – thank you for your O.P., I have clicked onto the links and read the text.

I understand where your concerns are Dawn.... I too am looking into filling in gaps about the Djjin and all the other Astral wildlife that seems to dwell in such dimensions close to ours. I wouldn't say it is the most riveting ride I have perused, yet is a big eye opener.

Since the age of 2 I have had different types of unwanted visitors/interference at times entering my bedroom – I was too young to even know about mediation or kundalini back then, let alone 'who' such beings were.

In my adult years I do practice kundalini rising – I have personally found it very spiritually progressive and self empowering reconnecting to my greater self and Source bringing a harmonious balance within myself - no longer the fiery reactive person of my past. Have my unwanted visitors etc increased because of such conscious expanding practices? Or is it more on the lines that I have increased my conscious awareness and able to ‘see’ that realm more clearly due such practices that activated greater 'conscious sight’? i.e. cleaning the smears on the window so I can see out.

The other day I watched a very interesting presentation by a Catholic priest Exorcist (one has to bear in mind he is talking from a Catholic religious perspective) yet I found it most interesting. He mentions a whole list of practices such a Reiki, crystals etc that according to the Catholic religion opens interdimensional doors to ‘Satan’. From what I was gathering in my own interpretation, ‘Satan’ and all his hierarchical motley crew sound very much like what Islam call Dijjn. Yet this priest also said his mother practices yoga and this is okay. Other meditations are okay too if one is focusing on 'one God', according to this priest.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=PV4FpKX5HNU

So the question I have asked myself, if I close my conscious awareness down, really dumb myself down and just focus on the physical 3D, ignoring anything outside of gross matter and becoming a simple farmer like in so many of my lifetimes prior – would all such unwanted wildlife such as dijnn be absent in my life? Perhaps they exist in their own right regardless whether I notice them or not? You see, I have met people who have been possessed many of which had no interest in the spiritual path, never done anything new agey that would have invited such in – so I personally sense there is much more to this story that we have yet to understand.

Also as the Catholic priest mentions when referring to 'saints' (paraphrasing) due to their consciousness of spiritual light they do attract such unwanteds. So perhaps Dawn your soul shines brightly and is being noticed by ‘others’ as your awareness reaches into higher levels of conscious awakening - rather than you personally doing some type of wrong practice that somehow welcomed such interference in. I think it is always good to discern any practice, there are practices out there intended to do harm. Simply do what works for oneself and chuck out what does not.

And yes I have seen healers that have good intentions, yet unknowingly ‘adding’ into their patients body unwanteds. I keep well away from such, and do my upmost to D.I.Y. within myself connecting with my god/source for such healings, cutting out any middleman.

Dawn, I only came across your Breatharian thread the other day and only had time to see a few of the links. What I saw so far is so spiritually inspiring. You have an amazing story of experience when you were a breatharian (living on prana/light) and how wild animals would peacefully engage with you - that to me is a sign you were in harmony and 'at one' with life. I am not sure if those animals would have been so at ease with you, let alone come up to you had you been filled with Djjn etc. Just a thought on the prana debate to consider.

Here is another most interesting presentation on transdimensional relationship between dijjn and ET presence. From what I am starting to understand is that other beings exist in 3.5D and 4D just like we exist in 3D. IF what everyone is saying that we as a planet are raising our frequency and conscious awareness, we are slowly moving closer into these other realms of existence, hence why more people are having such experiences as the veils between us are thinning. Also modern day technology is also opening portals such as WiFi.

The key I have found for myself is to not to be afraid or surrender my power over to anyone other than my god/source. When I am 'neutral' connecting to my heart space filled with love and joy in my beingness and knowingness remembering I am an Eternal Being part of God/Source, I have managed to keep safe. Yes some of the challenges that have arisen are most alarming, yet I am still here today with a smile on my face and know more of the strengths I have within me from such experiences.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=JtJj0_XIRyU

I agree Dawn, that it is always productive to redefine what we know, allowing new updates and greater conscious understandings and awareness in our daily walk. I know for myself when I am having a spring clean I have to be mindful not to throw the baby out with the bathwater if I find myself in a flux. I have done that several times in my life, and only upon hindsight realise there was nothing wrong with 'whatever', I was simply in a confusion where I allowed my superstition of uncertainty get in the way. Smile.

Much love to you Dawn
Realeyes X

Ps. One of my common phrases in these Times is: 'that's interesting'....

I just wan't to bump your words Realeyes


Love,Peace and Hugs all!
Alan

[Nomatic]

If you have a good lineage and the meridians are sealed after each level of training there should be not much problem with interference.

[Hervé]

Thread on Holographic Kinetics and Steve Richards:

Dreamtime Healing - Using Holographic Kinetics

[halffull]

I agree 100% with Voyager

Holographic Kinetics is truly amazing and really works.

The work itself is very dangerous and can only be preformed by someone that has been trained by Steve Richards.

Look on line for a practitioner. Steve has trained people in 20 different countries so far.

You would be surprised at how many people and animals are affected by interdimensional interference.

I have a cat who, out of the blue started to attack her own kittens. It turned out that the cat was attacked by another cat and interdimensional entities had attached themselves to her. Holographic Kinetics cleared her of the entities and she instantly became the loving mother she had always been.

About 6 months later the same cat started to hiss and scratch her children, she had been attacked by another cat while she was out late at night.
Holographic Kinetics cleared her again and the result was instant, back to her loving self.

If anyone on Avalon has any problems with their animals and would like some help PM me and we can help in ways you would not think possible.

There is one thing I would like to say, and that is the power of the spoken word. Every living being is surrounded by a Torus field. When this field is weak or open

interdimensional entities enter this field. It could be through drink, drugs, being attacked, having a shock, undergoing surgery etc

Just talk to your spirit out loud and say 'spirit strengthen torus field, don't let anything in, thank you' (always thank spirit after a request)

It is wise to say this every night before you go to sleep. If you tell your spirit every day to strengthen your torus field, it becomes stronger over time.

[RunningDeer]

Grrr, twice my internet went off-line while I perused the links provided. Honestly, I would not have spent a lot of time on the site. Part of me felt it was a perfect solution to keep people from developing their natural abilities.

I’ve done Tai Chi and Chi Kung for 25 years, and simple yoga poses for the last 5 years. Besides the usual benefits of health, relaxation, flexibility, it helps with focus and heightened awareness. It wasn’t long before I left formal martial arts training because it was about fighting and competition. The focal point was on lower dantian, i.e. the navel chakra, but for me it was natural to stay in the heart.

During Tai Chi practice, I’ve had flashes of events that pertain to myself and love ones. Not once have I felt negative influences. IMO, all can develop higher senses through quiet reflection, walks or anything that promotes centeredness. It doesn't need to be through formal avenues.

Of late, I’ve questioned why I’ve not been visited by challenging energies/entities like I read at Avalon and other venues. Either I’m not of high enough light or I alas, don’t have the sought after genetics or it’s not my path or in the case of a rare something uninvited, I am firm in saying take a hike.

I come back to that I was raised by someone whom had archonic energies. The saving grace was I didn’t allow my spirit to be broken. That and a lot of walks on country roads and woods. There was a part of me that knew I was not alone. There were whispers from the woods beyond my comprehension, but always a calm washed over me. I hesitate to add this last point because some may say I’m implanted, controlled, and unaware. To that I say, it’s not my story.

My path is that I stay open to the knowledge. Spot check when fear says, “Knock-knock, can I come in?” And live with awareness and heart space.

RunningDeer <3

UPDATE:

Posted by Dawn (here)

If you had read the articles carefully you would know that a portion of the jinn are considered helpful and even holy.

This article is a fresh breath of clean air for me.

Sorry, Dawn. I read the thread out of order. Thanks for these and other points.

[Jake]

Thank you, Dawn. I hadn't seen this article. I am a practitioner of both energy work and traditional Chinese GungFu (WuShu). I never advanced past a white sash during my gungfu lessons, although I have studied ever since.

I come from a similar camp that Realeyes is coming from. I had several interferences with non-physical entities from a very young age. Mostly negative/fearful... My life has been an ongoing search for truth with regards non-physical experiences and non-physical beings...

My energetic episodes did NOT level/balance out until I began a committed schedule of energy work.!! Also,, my OBE activity became much more clear and consistent,, once I began regular energy work. Please understand,, I never asked for any of this,,, I was struck at a very early age with waking into sleep paralysis... Regardless of what any teaching or philosophy exists regarding energy/chi/kundalini and regardless of what folks know about Djinn/Archons/Demons,,, I was to have to deal with it on my own!!

So what came first? The chicken or the egg?

Do powerful energetic episodes attract the attention of higher energetic beings? or, Do powerful energetic beings induce states of intense energetic episodes.?? I say the answer is BOTH... We ARE higher energetic beings,, experiencing powerful energetic episodes... There are some on this planet that can only dabble,, yet can create powerful energetic states that can/will conjure higher energetic beings. This type of knowledge has been around for longo time!! (Please note that when I say 'higher' energetic being,, I do not necessarily mean benevolent.)

In my opinion,, this discussion crosses two of the three ingredients needed for sojourn into to the Astral, from a waking/physical state... Those two being 'energy' and 'sleep paralysis'... The third ingredient is 'trance'... Being able to naturally, or by practice,, lower yourself into deeper and deeper states of trance, while your waking mind remains awake and aware... It is a delicate balance. All of the mysteries are exposed before you,, once in this state. I practice energy work the same as someone goes to the gym.. I look at it as a sort of exercise for my energy body... We have an energybody counterpart that has systems of interaction that directly effect the state of our physical bodies as well as our mental and spiritual health. This energy body stays with the physical body at all times... (not to be confused with the astral body or etheric bodies) The energbody has systems of energy that ebb and flow and work together... Just like the physical body has a 'respetory/nervous/digestive/etc'... systems!! That is why you will find a potent mix of energetic work and physical work when researching GungFu,, or other systems of physical movement, designed to align your body with the movement of energy...

Whenever we raise this kind of energy,,, it will attract the attention of 'others'...

One cannot learn a single discipline and become a master at understanding the Djinn... I have come across some pretty nasty 'buggers' out there,,, (in the astral)... It becomes a question of personal sovereignty and being able to create your own 'space' and being able to 'stand in it'... We are powerful beings on the verge of waking up....

I have not studied Muslim theology and the Djinn,,, But I have been given a crash course in malevolent/ non-physical beings... The term 'trickster' comes to mind.

Excellent topic, I am thrilled..
Jake.

[Finefeather]

I would like to give you some of my first hand experience on the djinn...if you will allow me the opportunity. Do not get the impression that I know a lot because actual I know very little but I have some experience here which might be of use.

First I would just like to write a bit on sleep paralysis.

Sleep paralysis has nothing to do with ANY...and I mean ANY type of energy work. It also has nothing to do with any mechanism the body has to protect us from any dream phenomena or to keep us safe during sleep.

I have experienced this on numerous occasions during my 40+ years of out of body work...I do rescue work in lower and intermediate 'astral' states and there is a very simple answer to it.

I am not going to get into complicated terminology and explanations with regards to the constitution of the Self...and so will, for this post, just use terms which most are probably familiar with.

When we go OB at night...and everyone does...either consciously or unconsciously...we are disconnected from the body's nerve system...which is intertwined with the etheric body or etheric matrix...and this means we no longer are able to operate the body physically. So we feel nothing and the body is still and quiet except for maybe some involuntary muscle twitches. Whilst we are fully disconnected no sensations are felt and sleep continues normally. There is still a connection to the body which is the life thread, in the heart via the Vagus nerve...from the top chakra...the consciousness has left the body in it's 'astral' body.

When we return or wake up the consciousness re-enters and we are once again able to feel and move our body.

In some cases and sometimes...not often, when we return, the consciousness...which is now in the 'astral body'...misaligns with the physical body on return and the brain wakes up but the connection to the somatic nervous system has not fully connected or aligned and we then are brain awake but are unable to move or use the nerve system...we are physically conscious but our motor nerve system is not yet aligned with the 'astral' body...we are paralysed...yet we appear fully awake and this is sleep paralyses.

This same phenomena is used by yogis and many people unconsciously to control pain and to do magic tricks. We also see many reports of people who experience this on operating tables.

The best way to deal with this is to try to relax and it usually corrects itself as soon as the astral body is fully aligned in the body.

There is more to this connection process but I think you might get my meaning...but basically it happens because of misalignment.

Now before I go to the scary bit I need to say that under normal circumstances the etheric body has a natural safeguard against attack or possession, but if this is compromised in some way...usually by dabbling or getting involved with negative practices, or feeble minded people...then it is possible for other entities to possess the body fully...or share the body with the rightful owner...but these possessors are NEVER djinn.
Djinn can obsess a mind but not possess a body.

I watched this video above and IMO it is fake...and is probably out there to keep our Muslim brothers idling along in ignorance and in fear. Djinn are famous in the Islam and Arab folklore and mythology. So I would like to repeat...djinn cannot possess a human body...they are from the deva evolutionary chain and therefore cannot incarnate as we do.

If this was a true case of possession then it can only be another disembodied human 'spirit' who has jumped in because it is either frightened as hell where it is or it is just plain lost and desperate...or a really obnoxious obsessed one with evil intentions...this I have seen many times.

Lastly I would just like to draw you attention to the difference between possession and obsession. Possession is a literal take over of a another persons body and obsession is where we are fed with some negative influence by astral entities who cannot themselves possess our bodies.
Do not confuse obsession with Skandhas, which are deep inner personal traumas or habits which we have carried around with us for sometimes many many life times...these are what Scientology is very good at assisting with.

Ok...now here comes the scary part

During this sleep paralysed state all sorts of thoughts start entering our minds depending on our general state, but the common one for the unsuspecting traveller is fear...but this is not always evident.
Now the jinn...actually djinn...are a band of nature or earth spirits who have rather a 'no moral/no worry' type of outlook and intelligence. They sometimes remind me of the spiteful people we find in life...those who always play games on us at our expense. They are open to most things like lies, scaring the wits out of us, jealousy, anger and anything which is about emotional excitement. They literally feed off repulsive emotion. Fear is also a good one for them but as I said not the only one.

These little creatures can also however actually be quite fun but they do not trust humans very much, and so their first plan is to con us or trick us in all sorts of ways. They are actually quite harmless but to the casual traveller they can be pretty hair raising at times.

The 2 famous ones in this band are the Incubus and Succubus these are names for the male and female djinn...they can present themselves in either one...who love to climb onto us when we are OB and it can be quite a struggle to get them off because they are often on our back...and there is also the one that sits on the chest.

These little wretches are the ones who often pretend to have sex with us in the astral state and many stories are around about this. They are able to show themselves in short bursts in the physical but cannot sustain this for long periods.

Once you get to know them and understand them they can be a laugh a minute. You can befriend them and they can be 'bribed'...quite cutely...into doing almost anything for you once you have captured their trust. Some of them become extremely attached to some human who does not fear them and who acts with respect towards them. They can be influenced and controlled by good or bad...they are not naturally good or naturally bad.

The movie “The Gremlins” is an amazing take on them...I am sure the writer new about nature spirits.

A little about djinn and marshal arts.

I apologise immediately to the persons who have real understanding of the nature and purpose of the real ancient arts of self defence...but IMO most people who take up marshal arts...especially in the west...have this little inner secret wish to be like Bruce Lee or whoever their idle is. Most have literally no idea of any astral world or phenomena...I know that some have. I know this because I have been there. So it would not surprise me in the least if some of these people are been targeted by the djinn because of the opinion they might hold of themselves with their new found skills. Emotional illusions are a good grounding for djinn obsession.
They will spur you on and cheer you all the way

Better stop now...I could go on a bit here

Take care and don't forget to check under your bed tonight

Ray

If anyone is interested in learning more about the lives in the 'astral plane' I would recommend this little book:

http://galactic.no/rune/spesBoker/13...-Body-1927.pdf

[Dawn]

I love the posts here. Thank you everyone for not aiming any energetic 'bullets' at me' for I know I am poking at a sacred cow (meditation and Eastern arts). There is not one experience written about on this thread that I have not had. Though yours might have had a slightly different flavor than what was dished up to me.

Here's an interesting quote and I'd like to ask for more:

If you have a good lineage and the meridians are sealed after each level of training there should be not much problem with interference.

My 'lineage' was from Ramana Maharshi. And you know what? I had a very frightening experience while in that sangha, although I could not believe what I was seeing, and did not realize the truth for years. Even though this lineage is considered a good one, what I saw only adds fuel to the fire of thought on this thread. I will tell the story, and I will not use names, though you may be able to guess them. I found a teacher 7 years after my 'white light experience', so I already was having a very strange life.... but this story isn't about me... it is about what I observed in the leader of the Sangha, who I will refer to as Samuel (though that is not his name).

When I first met Samuel he was so filled with love. When walking into the room, where Samuel was going to meditate and then lead a little discussion group for the 7 people attending, I could feel an intense field of love which vibrated in every molecule. It was his gentle manner, humble demeanor, and the tremendous love vibration, which caused me to decide it would be safe to join his group. He listened to my story of the 'white light' experience and told me that he would help develop a 'cast iron' nervous system that would remain balanced no-matter-what. This was very important for me since I was experiencing massive energy surges which dropped me to the ground and left me catatonic every year or 2.

2 years after meeting Samuel, his group had grown from 7 to 50 and he decided to change his name. His new name was a Sanskrit term, meaning 'The Great Emptiness', A month or 2 later he came down with an extremely high fever. At one point in his illness, with a fever of 112, he woke up and asked his wive where he was if he was dying.

When 'The Great Emptiness' came back to the Satsang a few weeks later he had changed completely. I sat close to him that day and looked into his eyes to ask a question... there I no longer saw Samuel... instead his eyes were empty (void, dead, black, featureless). I was very surprised and asked about it. His response was that now he had finally become 'The Great Emptiness', which is what we all really were. I was not the only one in the satsang who noticed this change. Many there mourned the loss of Samuel, even his close family members. We were all told that he had experienced the 'great death' and we drew the conclusion that this was a good thing and that he was in an enlightened state. I will say that the frequency of love never again was evident during satsang, instead there was a field of a sort of 'vast emptiness'.

After a few more years of membership in the sangha I had developed a weird nagging sense of shame. I had not experienced this prior to joining the sangha, and as I spoke to other members I realized we all had this. It was as though we were striving for something and felt guilty that we did not have it... yet we also did not know how to find it... and all the discussions in satsang focused on this topic. I was a pretty involved member and contributed my money and time to help the sangha remain organized for it had now grown to thousands of members. Then I began being told in various ways that I should leave. In fact all of the original 50 members were forced out in nasty and similar ways. Here is one example.... I would go to the office to do my volunteer work and would get flu like symptoms within 5 minutes of arrival... if I tried to stay longer I would begin to get dry heaves. Here is another example: I would attend a satsang meeting and a feeling of ants or bugs crawling all over my skin would begin so that I could not sit still. As I mentioned, other former members had similar experiences. Well, there is a lot more to this story however you get the idea.

It is my belief that Samuel lost the battle for possession of his body during the severe illness he endured. Something took over possession of his body and is still in it... and the numbers of people who belong to his sangha have grown in excess of 5,000

I need to add one more piece to this post. After leaving the sangha I was invited back to sing at a Christmas celebration about 2 years later. As I stood in front of the members I felt a large amount of energy coming from them... it was almost like being in the noon day sun. At first I felt that I could not handle this much energy, however the big realization I had was that 'The Great Emptiness' receives this amount of energy from his students in every meeting. It seems he is being fed a great amount of energy by his sangha members. This is very sobering indeed and lends a lot of weight to the idea that we humans are used as batteries to charge others up.

[chocolate]

"Mind is the Master power that moulds and makes,
And Man is Mind, and evermore he takes
The tool of Thought, and, shaping what he wills,
Brings forth a thousand joys, a thousand ills: —
He thinks in secret, and it comes to pass:
Environment is but his looking-glass."

From As A Man Thinketh
by James Allen
http://jamesallen.wwwhubs.com/think.htm

"The soul attracts that which it secretly harbors, that which it loves, and also that which it fears. It reaches the height of its cherished aspirations. It falls to the level of its unchastened desires - and circumstances are the means by which the soul receives its own."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/As_a_Man_Thinketh

Peace!