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    ‘Americans will RESPAWN al-Baghdadi’: Assad casts doubt on ISIS leader’s death, draws parallels with Bin Laden’s killing

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    Take any words from US politicians with a grain of salt, Syria’s Bashar Assad has urged, as he cast doubt on the story of the Islamic State leader being killed in US a raid, and compared it to the shady killing of Osama Bin Laden.

    The widely publicized US special forces raid that allegedly killed Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the leader of the Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) terrorist group, left more questions than answers and it should not be taken at the face value, the Syrian President cautioned, during a lengthy interview with state media on Thursday.

    Damascus did not participate in the raid by any means, Assad stated, adding that he'd learned about the claim only through media reports. Adding imaginary participants into the operation is likely supposed to give it credibility, he added, while countries on such a list would likely be flattered to be a “part of a ‘great’ operation.”
    We do not need such credit. We are the ones fighting terrorism. We have no relations and have had no contact with any American institutions.

    Washington’s loud praise of its own actions, a picture of the ‘hero dog’ that took part in the raid and footage purportedly of the aerial strikes have not convinced Assad if it “actually took place or not.” Moreover, he thought the whole affair suspiciously resembled the 2011 killing of another notorious terrorist – Al Qaeda’s head Osama Bin Laden.
    “Why were the remains of Baghdadi not shown? This is the same scenario that was followed with Bin Laden. If they are going to use different pretexts in order not to show the remains, let us recall how [former Iraqi] President Saddam Hussein was captured and how the whole operation was shown from A to Z; they showed pictures and video clips after they captured him.”
    The killing of Saddam’s sons was also well-documented and widely publicized, Assad went on to add, suggesting that the Americans “hide everything” about both the killing of bin Laden and that of al-Baghdadi for a reason.
    This is part of the tricks played by the Americans. That is why we should not believe everything they say unless they come up with evidence. American politicians are actually guilty until proven innocent, not the other way around.
    All in all, it’s unlikely that death of the IS leader – if he really was killed – and even the ultimate destruction of the terrorist group would change anything, Assad said. The root of the problem – the Wahhabi ideology that is “more than two centuries old” would not disappear at once. The radical Islamist thought and al-Baghdadi were merely US tools all along, Assad claimed, adding that those tools could easily be re-purposed elsewhere.
    “I believe the whole thing regarding this operation is a trick. Baghdadi will be recreated under a different name, a different individual, or ISIS in its entirety might be reproduced as needed under a different name but with the same thought and the same purpose. The director of the whole scenario is the same, the Americans.”
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    Quote How is it that 3 years after the liberation of Aushwitz, there was a Nakba in Palestine?
    A talk given by Gilad at Chester Interfaith Palestine 2019 (2.1.2019). Zionist and Israel's advocacy groups were desperate to cancel the scholarly oriented gathering of many local peace enthusiasts. But the pro- Israeli bigoted efforts backfired - - the interest in the conference grew immediately, the local community stood for palestine, peace and harmony...

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    Quote How is it that 3 years after the liberation of Aushwitz, there was a Nakba in Palestine?
    A talk given by Gilad at Chester Interfaith Palestine 2019 (2.1.2019). Zionist and Israel's advocacy groups were desperate to cancel the scholarly oriented gathering of many local peace enthusiasts. But the pro- Israeli bigoted efforts backfired - - the interest in the conference grew immediately, the local community stood for palestine, peace and harmony...

    Only thing i would like to say is that mixing groups or generalizing is not a great way to make positions clear, i'm not quite sure about what you think of people from Israel due to this, as opposed to the government or some specific groups otherwise.

    I mean i understand what's going on but i always noticed sometimes the line is blurred between exposing a corrupt group and basically pointing the finger to an entire country, regardless of what they did/did not or if they even support their government.

    I have seen it and experienced it myself way too many times already so i always try to avoid falling into that situation
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    Only thing i would like to say is that mixing groups or generalizing is not a great way to make positions clear, i'm not quite sure about what you think of people from Israel due to this, as opposed to the government or some specific groups otherwise.

    I mean i understand what's going on but i always noticed sometimes the line is blurred between exposing a corrupt group and basically pointing the finger to an entire country, regardless of what they did/did not or if they even support their government.

    I have seen it and experienced it myself way too many times already so i always try to avoid falling into that situation
    Akasha said "Zionist and Israel's advocacy groups..." Probably the same groups mentioned in The Lobby

    Nowhere in Akasha's post does he/she point at or blame the entire country of Israel

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    by Thierry Meyssan Voltaire Network
    Damascus (Syria) 12 November 2019

    We only know what is happening in the Levant through the war propaganda of the country in which we live. We ignore other points of view and, more importantly, how our armies have behaved. To disentangle the true from the false, historians will have to examine the available documents. However, what the Western military literature tells us contradicts the statements of politicians and the narrative in the newspapers. It is only by becoming aware of the existence of the Pentagon’s strategy since 2001 that we will be able to understand what really happened and why such contradictions are occurring today.





    The remodeling of the Levant according to the Pentagon headquarters in the Levant. This map was described by Colonel Ralph Peters in an article on September 13, 2001, but he did not publish it until 2006.

    We do not understand what is happening in northern Syria because we believe a priori that there was a fight between the evil Daesh jihadists and the kind Kurds of the PKK/YPG. That is absolutely not true. This struggle existed only to limit their respective territories or out of ethnic solidarity, never for ideological or religious reasons.

    On the other hand, we do not see the role played by Donald Trump. As the press spends its time insulting the President-elect of the United States, it cannot be counted on to analyze and understand its policy in the broader Middle East. However, it has a clear guideline: the end of the Rumsfeld/Cebrowski doctrine, a legacy of 9/11. In doing so, he opposes his generals - all trained under the Bush Jr and Obama mandates to govern the world - and the Western European political class.

    To understand what is happening, we must take the facts upstream and not downstream. Let us return to the plan drawn up by the Pentagon at the beginning of the Bush administration in 2001 and revealed, two days after the attacks of September 11, by Colonel Ralph Peters in Parameters [1], the review of the US Army: the "remodelling" of the world, starting with the broader Middle East. This plan was confirmed a month later by Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, who appointed its main designer, Admiral Arthur Cebrowski, Director of the Force Transformation Office. It was explained by his assistant, Thomas Barnett, in 2005 in The Pentagon’s New Map [2]. And illustrated by the same Ralph Peters when he published the map in the Armed Forces Journal in 2006 for the first episode: what the broader Middle East was to become [3]. Given the difficulties encountered in the field, it was the subject of an amendment published by a Pentagon researcher, Robin Wright, in the Sunday supplement of the New York Times [4] in 2013.

    According to these documents, five States were to be dismembered into fourteen entities: Syria and Iraq, Yemen, Libya and Saudi Arabia.


    Map published by Robin Wright in 2013, one year before Daesh’s transformation and before that of the PKK/YPG.

    With regard to Syria and Iraq, these two States were to be divided into four. The map published in 2013 outlines a "Sunnistan" and a "Kurdistan", both straddling the two current states. The following year, the first was created by Daesh, the second by the YPG. At the time this map was published, Daesh was just one of hundreds of tiny anti-Syrian terrorist organizations; while the PYG was a pro-government militia whose fighters’ salaries were paid by the Syrian Arab Republic. There was nothing on the ground to predict the creation of the Caliphate and Rojava wanted by the Pentagon.

    The Turkish Kurdish daily Özgür Gündem [5] published the decision statement of the meeting during which the CIA prepared the way Daesh would invade Iraq from Raqqa. This document indicates that Masrour "Jomaaa" Barzani, then Head of Intelligence of the Iraqi Kurdistan Regional Government, attended this planning meeting on 1 June 2014 in Amman, Jordan. He became Prime Minister of the Iraqi Kurdistan Regional Government last July.

    It is important to note that, according to Robin Wright’s map, US "Kurdistan" should include northeastern Syria (like French "Kurdistan" of 1936) and the Kurdish region of Iraq (which the French had not considered).

    The support of the Iraqi Kurdistan Regional Government for Daesh’s invasion of Iraq is indisputable: it allowed jihadists to massacre Kurds of Yazi religion in Sinjar and enslave their women. Those who were rescued were rescued by Turkish and Syrian Kurds who had come specially to assist them under the mocking eye of the peshmergas, the Iraqi Kurdish soldiers.

    Daesh committed many atrocities, imposing its reign through terror. Il carried out a religious cleansing against the Yazidi Kurds, Assyrian Christians, Shia Arabs etc. These "rebels" have received financial and military assistance from the CIA, the Pentagon and at least 17 states, as reported and documented by the Bulgarian daily newspapers Trud [6] and the Croatian Jutarnji list [7]. With trained staff in Fort Benning (USA), Daesh collected taxes and opened public services until it became a "state" although no one recognized it as such.

    We do not know how the PKK transformed itself in 2005 from a pro-Soviet Marxist-Leninist political party into a pro-Atlantic libertarian and environmentalist militia. And even less how the Syrian YPG operated its transformation in 2014. It came under the operational command of Turkish officers from the PKK and NATO. Depending on the side of the Turkish-Syrian border, the PKK-YPG is internationally qualified differently. If it is positioned in Turkey, it is "a terrorist organization", but if it is in Syria, it becomes "a political party opposed to the dictatorship". Yet until 2014, it did not see a dictatorship in Syria. It was fighting for the defence of the Syrian Arab Republic and the retention of President Bashar al-Assad in power.

    The YPG has respected the laws of war and has not committed atrocities comparable to those of Daesh, but it has not hesitated to ethnically clean up the north-east of Syria to create the "Rojava", which constitutes a crime against humanity. It despoiled and expelled hundreds of thousands of Assyrians and Arabs. It thought it was fighting for its people, but it was only making the Pentagon’s dreams come true. To do so, it publicly benefited from the Pentagon’s armament, as well as the British military weekly Jane’s [8] and the Italian daily Il Manifesto [9] have shown, and France, as François Hollande has revealed. Rojava did not have time to merge with the Kurdish region of Iraq.

    After the fall of the Caliphate, among other things under the blows of the PKK/PYG, the latter asked the Damascus government for permission to cross the lines of the Syrian Arab army to rescue the North-West Kurds threatened by the Turkish army. Permission was granted.. But when the PKK/YPG moved, it was transporting fugitive Daesh officers who were arrested by the Syrian Arab Republic.

    These documents and facts do not tell us which protagonists are right or wrong, that is another matter. But on the ground, it is impossible to be both against Daesh and for the PKK/YPG without falling into irreconcilable contradictions.

    Donald Trump’s actions consisted in destroying the pseudo-states manufactured by the Pentagon: the Caliphate and the Rojava; this does not mean the end of Daesh or the end of the PKK/YPG.


    Translation Roger Lagassé


    [1] “Stability, America’s Ennemy”, Ralph Peters, Parameters, Winter 2001-02, pp. 5-20. Also in Beyond Terror: Strategy in a Changing World, Stackpole Books.

    [2] The Pentagon’s New Map, Thomas P. M. Barnett, Putnam Publishing Group, 2004.

    [3] “Blood borders - How a better Middle East would look”, Colonel Ralph Peters, Armed Forces Journal, June 2006

    [4] “Imagining a Remapped Middle East”, Robin Wright, The New York Times Sunday Review, 28 septembre 2013.

    [5] « Yer : Amman, Tarih : 1, Konu : Musul », Akif Serhat, Özgür Gündem, 6 temmuz 2014.

    [6] “350 diplomatic flights carry weapons for terrorists”, Dilyana Gaytandzhieva, Trud, July 2, 2017.

    [7] “TAJNA LETOVA JORDANSKIH AVIONA S PLESA Sirijski pobunjenici dobivaju oružje preko Zagreba!”, Krešimir Žabec, Jutarnji list, 23 veljača 2013. «TRANSFER HRVATSKOG ORUŽJA POBUNJENICIMA U SIRIJI Sve je dogovoreno prošlog ljeta u Washingtonu!», Krešimir Žabec, Jutarnji list, 26 veljača 2013. “VIDEO: JUTARNJI OTKRIVA U 4 mjeseca za Siriju sa zagrebačkog aerodroma Pleso otišlo 75 aviona sa 3000 tona oružja!”, Krešimir Žabec, Jutarnji list, 7 ožujak 2013. “PUT KROZ ASADOVU SIRIJU Nevjerojatna priča o državi sravnjenoj sa zemljom i njezinim uništenim ljudima: ’Živote su nam ukrali, snove ubili...’”, Antonija Handabaka, Jutarnji list, 9 ožujak 2013.

    [8] “US arms shipment to Syrian rebels detailed”, Jeremy Binnie & Neil Gibson, Jane’s, April 7th, 2016.

    [9] “Da Camp Darby armi Usa per la guerra in Siria e Yemen”, Manlio Dinucci, Il Manifesto, 18 aprile 2017. English translation : “From Camp Darby US weapons for the war in Syria and Yemen”, by Manlio Dinucci, Translation Anoosha Boralessa, Voltaire Network, 18 April 2017.
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    I have seen it and experienced it myself way too many times already so i always try to avoid falling into that situation
    By posting a response you are falling into that situation.
    When you oppose or challenge an opinion here, you start a flaming war. Many time I prefer to be smart rather than correct.
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    Quote How is it that 3 years after the liberation of Aushwitz, there was a Nakba in Palestine?
    A talk given by Gilad at Chester Interfaith Palestine 2019 (2.1.2019). Zionist and Israel's advocacy groups were desperate to cancel the scholarly oriented gathering of many local peace enthusiasts. But the pro- Israeli bigoted efforts backfired - - the interest in the conference grew immediately, the local community stood for palestine, peace and harmony...

    Only thing i would like to say is that mixing groups or generalizing is not a great way to make positions clear, i'm not quite sure about what you think of people from Israel due to this, as opposed to the government or some specific groups otherwise.

    I mean i understand what's going on but i always noticed sometimes the line is blurred between exposing a corrupt group and basically pointing the finger to an entire country, regardless of what they did/did not or if they even support their government.

    I have seen it and experienced it myself way too many times already so i always try to avoid falling into that situation
    Hi Mashika

    The words in my post, apart from the quote which was from Gilad during his presentation, were quickly cut and pasted from the “about” section below the video on Youtube. It is not in any way generalising but is a concise report on exactly what happened by those groups which identify under those labels as they tried (and failed) to silence Gilad (again).

    Regarding what I think of people of Israel, I am disappointed that collectively, they seem happy, even proud of the apartheid perception they conjure to onlookers given their ongoing actions and attitude towards the Palestinians. Of course within that collective, I am extremely sympathetic to those who oppose the ongoing atrocities against the Palestinian people. Unfortunately though, it is all too clear that they are a minority.

    If you haven’t already, please watch the video and, if you like, share your thoughts on what Gilad is saying.

    All the best.
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    .....five States were to be dismembered into fourteen entities: Syria and Iraq, Yemen, Libya and Saudi Arabia.....
    Text book balkanization, or in other words and to quote Wiki' (safely for once),

    Quote .....the process of fragmentation or division of a region or state into smaller regions or states that are often hostile or uncooperative with one another.....
    Many here will be familiar with Israeli foreign policy strategist, Oded Yinon, but for those who are not and for some invaluable context regarding the initial quote in this post, please read the following two articles:

    Greater Israel and the Balkanization of the Middle East - Oden Yinon's Strategy for Israel

    Greater Israel - The Zionist Plan for the Middle East
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