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    $1 Billion of the IMF loan is being used to buy Gold in Ukraine...

    Quote As ITAR-TASS reports,
    Kiev will use the first portion of the International Monetary Fund (IMF) loan for augmenting its gold and currency reserves in order to stabilize the financial situation in the country, National Bank Chairman Stepan Kubiv said on Monday, May 5.

    “Over $1 billion from the first portion of the loan will go into the gold and currency reserves of Ukraine, which will strengthen the financial system of the country. The remainder will go to the budget to stabilize the macroeconomic and financial situation in Ukraine,” he said.

    Kubiv believes that the IMF loan “will send a positive signal to foreign investors and domestic entrepreneurs, improve the investment climate in the country and stabilize the hryvnia”.

    On April 30, the IMF Board of Governors approved a two-year standby credit facility of $17 billion for Ukraine. The first portion will amount to around $3.2 billion.

    What is odd is that Ukraine’s gold reserves have been soaring in recent years – so it’s hardly been a confidence-inspiring move for Ukrainian entrepreneurs and foreign investors so far?


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    When the radicals come out in force the line quickly gets a little blurry. It is very hard to tell what the sides are from that 2 hour video. Perhaps those involved don't even know who they are fighting against. The fog of war quickly makes everyone an enemy. Unfortunately, it is way too easy to incite violence manipulating "mob mentality". A few rocks thrown can quickly escalate a situation to all out civil war.

    This is why the US is so "successful" at justifying it's industrial war machine. The use of radicals (Contra rebels, Al Qaeda, Right Sector, etc.) to spur violence and create division is very effective. Once the nation is in turmoil it is easy for the US to move to action in the name of "humanity". Once this is complete new governments are installed and big corporations move in to exploit the natural resources. This has been going on for a long time.

    I'm hoping this information becomes mainstream so that the people of the Ukraine can realize that they are being provoked and stop the violence in favor of negotiation and dialogue.

    The ones that suffer the most in the end are always the same citizens that were tricked into initiating the violence. A leader needs to emerge, one that is wholeheartedly against war and violence. Where is a spiritual leader like Gandhi when you need him?!
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    Russia flexes its muscles through military excercises:


    Commentary on the events. Russian bomber jams US warship, Russian bombers on the West Coast, Russian fleet with aircraft carrier off English coast, Russian military displays of strength...


    Quote Britain has deployed a destroyer to track an unusually large Russian naval task force transiting the English Channel, it said on Thursday and also noted a "resurgence" in Russian air activity close to its airspace.

    The Ministry of Defence said the decision to despatch HMS Dragon, one of Britain's newest and most sophisticated ships, to track the Russian naval force was routine and that the Russians had notified it of their transit plans in advance.

    "What is different here is that a Russian task group of this size has not passed by our shores in some time," Captain Rex Cox, HMS Dragon's commanding officer, said in a statement.

    Diplomatic relations between Russia and the West have been strained by the crisis in Ukraine, which has revived memories of the Cold War when the military forces of Western Europe were ranged against those of the Soviet Union.

    The task force included Russia's only aircraft carrier, the Admiral Kuznetsov, the Ministry of Defence said, as well as a nuclear-powered battle cruiser, a landing support ship, three tankers and a tug.

    A Russian naval spokesman said last month that the Kuznetsov had completed a deployment in the Mediterranean and was on its way back to its base of Severomorsk in northwest Russia.

    Defence Secretary Philip Hammond played down the deployment of HMS Dragon, which was despatched in similar circumstances last month to shadow another Russian warship.

    But when asked by Reuters whether he had noticed an increase in Russian military activity around Britain, he said he had.

    "We have over the last few years seen a resurgence in Russian air activity," he told reporters at a lunch in parliament, saying the amount of long-range flying the Russians were doing close to Britain was on the increase.

    "That's a reflection of something which a lot of people have missed or have chosen to miss which is that Russia has been investing very substantially for many years in renewing its fleets, in rebuilding its military capability," said Hammond.

    Britain scrambled Typhoon fighter jets last month to see off Russian military planes flying close to its airspace off the coast of Scotland, one of a number of such incidents.

    During the drills, it was demonstrated how the missile corps, artillery, aviation and anti-aircraft defenses can be used -- for instance, to destroy troops on the ground or to counter massive missile, aviation or nuclear strikes by an enemy. The planned drills come ahead of the May 9 celebrations dedicated to victory in World War II
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    The evil carnage in the massacre in Odessa’s House of Trade Unions fire is worse than most of us realize.

    From Fascist Massacre in Odessa: Shocking Details Unveiled (Pravda):

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    The death toll from the massacre in Odessa's House of Trade Unions is said to be 116, not 46, as it was reported earlier. Some were burned alive, others suffocated in toxic smoke, some others jumped to their deaths out of the windows of the burning building, or were shot in the head. On May 6th, Odessa held the first funeral ceremony for the victims of the terrible tragedy.

    While the people of Odessa are mourning the victims, the head of Ukraine's Security Bureau, Nalivaychenko, says the protests of federalization supporters should be suppressed in a few days. Interior Minister Avakov is sending a special purpose battalion to "help" Odessa.

    "There was some kind of gas, from which it was simply impossible to breathe. That is, the airways would be clogged to such an extent that people would just lose consciousness. There was something else in the air, not just carbon monoxide, that created the strangling effect. They wanted us to suffocate and burn," one of the few survivors named only as Yuri said.

    Medics said that many of the victims died without receiving any skin burns: their lungs burnt from inside.

    "We were knocked down on the floor, all men, and they told us: "Everybody down!" Then they started beating us with bats, on our heads and backs. We did not know what to do. Then they took us out to the hallway, to the fire escape and through the back door. They threw us in to a puddle, and Right Sector militants continued to beat us there," a survivor of the horrific attack said.

    In Odessa, people do not believe the official information, which says that the number of victims is 46. Many charred bodies were found on the floor of the House of Trade Unions. Some of them had only upper part of the body and hands burnt, while the lower part was left untouched by the fire. This may mean that the raging militants would pour fuel on the heads of the people and then set them on fire. The hands of such victims are charred to the bone, which means that the victims were trying to put down the fire on their heads and torsos. There are women and young people among the killed.

    Illegitimate Prime Minister Yatsenyuk did not come to the House of Trade Unions to lay flowers in memory of those who died there terrible deaths. He came to Odessa to replace the administration of the local Ministry for Internal Affairs.

    Not less than a thousand militants of the Right Sector nationalist movement have reportedly arrived in Odessa from Dnepropetrovsk. The brutal clashes in Odessa may continue.
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    Some images from the massacre in Odessa's House of Trade Unions:
    ===============

    Elsewhere, in one of the Youtube videos I watched on this yesterday, I saw clear video, covering perhaps 30 seconds, of a ring leader of the "right wing", in a bullet proof vest, outside in the crowd around the burning building, close to the building, shooting with a pistol at the people trying to get air to breath in the broken windows.

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    Quote Posted by Paul (here)
    The death toll from the massacre in Odessa's House of Trade Unions is said to be 116, not 46, as it was reported earlier.
    This is the man who claims that at least 116 people were slaughtered.
    Many of them taken away 6 km outside of Odessa to be killed and buried there.



    I have watched about 8 hours of footage yesterday and I've seen video's of right sector "paramilitary" people in uniform taking separatists people from the street and put them in vans. Maybe these were some of those people that were lead away and killed?

    Also, I have seen several video's of people that were "rescued" from the trade union building and then being lead away by people who I know for sure are amongst those who are the most violent ones, because some of those, I have seen throwing molotov cocktails into the building when the building was already in flames and others were trying to rescue people inside the building. Also seen them fight in the front lines in several videos.
    These "rescued" people were being lead away from the crowd and camera's and I fear for their lives.

    Here you see one man being taken away by two people. The one with the red trainer on is one of those that I saw in at least three videos at the front lines, fighting.
    I don't think that the man in the middle is still alive. starting at 0:12 min.


    Further in that video, you see a group of wounded people on the ground. I've seen some of them walking out of the building unharmed, so they have been seriously beaten after that.

    Quote Elsewhere, in one of the Youtube videos I watched on this yesterday, I saw clear video, covering perhaps 30 seconds, of a ring leader of the "right wing", in a bullet proof vest, outside in the crowd around the burning building, close to the building, shooting with a pistol at the people trying to get air to breath in the broken windows.
    starting at 6:08 min. Mister Mykala



    I've also seen footage of this man on the telephone with a minister, explaining that they themselves were attacked severely and that he himself was shot in the leg (clearly lying).
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    Hi Everyone
    The way the 'elites' think never ceases to boggle the mind. We need to think the very worst them make it even worse to get close. I was wondering if you were aware of how such dastardly plans are designed, do they come from military intelligence psychopaths within the control groups. There must be some sort of overall control group that has cross country support and power that would implement the plans, or are the shadow governments own resources and military capability suitable?

    We can all recall Prince Philip, a dangerous person in my opinion, views about overpopulation and being reincarnated as a virus to reduce it, a strange comment coming from a member of the Royal family who owns some 385,000 acres. The rest of land is effectively owned government related institutions, utilities and banks.

    From what I know we have a number of control groups including illuminati, freemasons, Bilderbergers etc. I've attached link to an image below. I am new so not sure how to embed in the message.


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    Quote Posted by yelik (here)
    From what I know we have a number of control groups including illuminati, freemasons, Bilderbergers etc. I've attached link to an image below. I am new so not sure how to embed in the message.
    Welcome .

    Embedding images directly from a Google drive or Google docs doesn't work very well, so I found a similar image that could be embedded directly.

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    A summary diagram

    There would be internal power struggles between Zionism/islam and Jesuits/Conservative Vatican. At the top there is no conflict (tension) between Freemasonry and illuminati.

    A diagram in the shape of a triangle on each vertex shows two powers associated, especially in conflict or tension. This is a historiography and historical theory of the last three centuries that seeks to identify what is the New World Order and what the power at stake.

    According to the Brazilian author of this diagram (Sorry, Portuguese only), Specialist in the Jesuits history, after the Vatican II council, the Jesuits (with a very strong communist bias) took complete control of the Vatican.

    And the major objectives are the Kingdom of Jerusalem, the Globalism, and the enthronement of Lucifer.


    NOM = NWO
    BANCOS = BANKs
    PODER = POWER








    OBS.: If we think of Zionism as an ideology, we realize that the USA and Europe (many countries in the world actually), and Israel, are infested with people in power with this ideology (or corrupted / blackmailed by).
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    Quote Posted by Eram (here)
    More proof of a carefully planned massacre in Odessa, aimed to destabilize the region even further. Maybe in order to get Russia physically involved in the conflict.

    This video suggests that there were not two parties present in the clash between "right sector" and "separatists", but a third party also.
    Men with red bands on their arms were firing molotov cocktails, broken pieces of glass and bullets into the "right sector/maiden camp before the real fights broke out.
    Here's more on the men with red arm bands, from The Odessa Massacre (Veterans Today):

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    Odessa after the loss of the Crimea and the people’s revolution in Mariupol remained the only maritime gateway of Ukraine and acquired the status of the most important city after Kiev. Appointed head of the junta RSA Vladimir Nemirovsky showed complete political impotence – for two months, he could neither disperse popular camp on Kulikovo field, nor to control the police, nor to establish contact with local small but active Ukrainian nationalists.

    Preparatory meeting for the false flag terror attacks took place in Odessa 10 days before the tragedy. Turchinov personally presided. The discussion was attended by Interior Minister Arsen Avakov, SBU head Valentyn Nalyvaychenko and NSDC Secretary Andrew Paruby. By Advice on operations was drawn as the head of RSA Dnipropetrovsk region Igor Kolomoisky.
    The concept, using in the operation football “Special Ops” belonged to Arsen Avakov. Ever since the head of Kharkiv regional state administration, it had team support coordinators, whom he even living in Italy, continued to provide sponsorship. Kolomoysky passed under the leadership of law enforcement battalion Odessa Dnipro.
    He also established a cash prize for each dead “Russian” – $ 5,000. Preparing to perform the operation were also involved Fascist militia gunmen Korchinskiy. They wore red armbands. Korchinskiy followers play a key role in organizing provocations they were allegedly as defenders of the tent city on the Kulikovo field, and then lured members to the House of Trade Unions, where there was a massacre.
    ===============

    The above is part of a Google translation of a report in Russian sent to Gordon Duff. There's more at the above link.
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    He also established a cash prize for each dead “Russian” – $ 5,000. Preparing to perform the operation were also involved Fascist militia gunmen Korchinskiy. They wore red armbands. Korchinskiy followers play a key role in organizing provocations they were allegedly as defenders of the tent city on the Kulikovo field, and then lured members to the House of Trade Unions, where there was a massacre.
    Hi Paul,

    After watching so many video's the main arguments of proof (the ones that would make it stick) that point toward double agents with red bands who provoked the unionists don't hold imo.

    These are the main arguments of proof in the 2 1/2 hour video:
    • Only double agents with the intent to provoke wore red bands.
    • The red banded agents were the only ones on the roof, with locked doors so no one else could find refuge there.
    • The police was in on it and conspiring with the double agents.

    1. There is much footage where the most aggressive red banded people (the ones with fire arms, shooting at the unionists) are seen in much larger groups were most of the people wore red bands. So not only were they not the only ones with red bands, they also mingled with all the other separatists in the centre of the city who were confronting the unionists.

    2. Many eyewitnesses (woman and elderly people) claimed to have been on the roof for the larger part of the siege, finding refuge there, until it was safe enough to come down again. This clearly contradicts the claim that the roof was unaccessible to the regular people in the trade union building.

    3. Much footage indicates that the police was indeed on the hand of the red bands, but in my opinion, they were sympathetic with the separatists in general and not so much with so called double agents. For instance, the police forces made a lot of effort to protect the separatists and to a much lesser degree the unionists. If you take into account that much of the police forces are residents of Odessa, this would make sense.

    4. Another thing to specifically refute the claim made by the "source" of Gordon Duff:
    It was a well known and established fact that the "right sector & ultra's" made it very clear that it was their intent to come to Odessa and sweep the Trade Union building clear of separatists. They didn't have to be lured there at all. It was already in their agenda to do so.

    This is how I see it at the moment:
    Unionists (consisting of the right sector and Ultra's) came to Odessa with 2500 to 4000 people with the intent to sweep the city clear of separatists.
    The separatists split themselves up into two groups: The ones that would sit it out and remain in the Trade building, hoping that things would stay somewhat in control (Mostly woman and elderly people with no intent to seek a confrontation or a fight). The ones that would confront the unionists in the city centre. these are the ones who wore red bands as a sign that they belonged to the separatists, just as many of the unionists wore yellow bands on their arms. This group consisted mostly of younger people with a lust to fight and confront the unionists.
    Some police forces were sympathetic with the separatists and some small groups even wore their red bands.

    The separatists were roughly outnumbered about 1:8.
    They were the ones that opened the confrontation very aggressively with use of fire arms, Molotov cocktails and broken peaces of glass in the hope that it would scare the unionists off. It didn't and soon they were overwhelmed and fled the scene. Some of them retreated to the Trade union building.
    Then the large group of unionists walked over to the trade union building and besieged it with the now known gruesome result.

    Imo, all arguments and claims that there were double agents in the play are refuted by the video evidence.

    So, was the confrontation brutal and horrific? yes, but both parties were guilty of this aggressiveness.
    Most people in the trade union building had no intention to fight it out, but were surprised and overwhelmed by how things unfolded.
    I'm not saying that there were no double agents there, but the footage doesn't provide evidence for that, if at all, it provides evidence for the contrary.

    I think that the whole campaign (assault on the separatists in Odessa) was set up with the knowledge of high up people in the "putch" government and there was a definite intent to kill people there in Odessa. The Right sector and ultra's have been used as a battering ram to do the dirty work of th putchists.

    In the following two videos you can see how the separatists got overwhelmed, while heavy protected by the (hero) police and within the ranks of the separatists clear evidence of the shooters who are supposed to be the "red band double agents". For instance, you can see here the "big guy" with the kalashnikov, who is supposed to be one of these double agents/provokers.
    (btw: in the second video, you can also see one of the ultra leaders, the one that I pointed out in my previous post, with the red trainer on, who lead the "rescued" man away from the camera's and people.)



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    Here is an analyses that is in favor of a conspiracy with staged double agents.
    Lots of interesting footage. You can also see this Mycola character (the one that was shooting at the building) talking on the phone, explaining that he was hurt, while he was clearly in good condition.



    Maybe the main reason why I don't believe in double agents is that it was not necessary to place them there.
    The football match together with the march of the right sector was all that was needed to set Odessa ablaze that day.
    No need for staged provokers.
    There are a lot of indications that the whole event was planned and conducted with the consent of the putchists and high level commanders within the police and right sector, so a lot of conspiring going on, just not a conspiracy with staged double agents.


    Here is footage of the right sector people entering the trade union building through a door on the right/back side of the building:

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    $1 Billion of the IMF loan is being used to buy Gold in Ukraine...

    Quote As ITAR-TASS reports,
    Kiev will use the first portion of the International Monetary Fund (IMF) loan for augmenting its gold and currency reserves in order to stabilize the financial situation in the country, National Bank Chairman Stepan Kubiv said on Monday, May 5.

    “Over $1 billion from the first portion of the loan will go into the gold and currency reserves of Ukraine, which will strengthen the financial system of the country. The remainder will go to the budget to stabilize the macroeconomic and financial situation in Ukraine,” he said.

    Kubiv believes that the IMF loan “will send a positive signal to foreign investors and domestic entrepreneurs, improve the investment climate in the country and stabilize the hryvnia”.

    On April 30, the IMF Board of Governors approved a two-year standby credit facility of $17 billion for Ukraine. The first portion will amount to around $3.2 billion.

    What is odd is that Ukraine’s gold reserves have been soaring in recent years – so it’s hardly been a confidence-inspiring move for Ukrainian entrepreneurs and foreign investors so far?


    Hang the Bankers

    There's your motive right there.... For God's sake... Why hasn't this ever been talked about BEFORE!!!???
    That EXPLAINS EVERYTHING! Truly, seriously... YET TYPICAL to the pattern NOT A PEEP from WESTERN MEDIA (or probably Russia...)
    ABOUT going from 1-2 tons to almost 40 TONS of GOLD in in 15 years... do the math...

    This reminds me of when we were kids, trying to save money, but when times got tough, you just had to break it and spend it... sorry kids... lol!
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    UKRAINE: SEVERE VIOLATION AGAINST HUMAN RIGHTS BY THE WEST
    http://terranovavoice.tamera.org/201...-the-west/1901

    ...Is the international law more important than human lives? Aside from this, what is actually the commitment of the West to international law? What happened in Iraq or Libya? It is a feigned righteousness beyond compare happening on the global stage...

    For good reasons, the first soldiers sent to the east by Kiev have refused the war. They refused to shoot at their compatriots. One must imagine this situation. Young men receive the order from a government, which actually isn’t one, to shoot at mostly young people their own age without being given any understandable reason for this. This alone is an outrageous injustice.

    Question is who is advising this new "government" We have it on audio the West has got their hand shoved right up there...
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    StormCloudsGathering (SGC News) has a thorough, albeit provocative, report on what really happened in the Trade Union Building Fire In Odessa Ukraine, May 2 2014: The Odessa Massacre - What REALLY Happened.

    This report begins:

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    ontrary to what the mainstream media has tried to convince you, it's not at all a mystery how the fire started in Odessa, Ukraine and it's not at all a mystery who started it. We owe it to the victims to expose what really happened.

    On May 2nd 2014 over 40 people were murdered in Odessa Ukraine. Some eyewitnesses claim the real number is over a hundred.

    Some of them were burned alive. Others were strangled or beaten to death. A pregnant woman was among those killed.
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    The West doesn't care about Ukraine. They're certainly not concerned for the welfare of their people. Ukraine is just a pawn. It's just a pivot point on the board. The real target is Russia. At this point they aren't even hiding it.

    If you pay attention you'll notice that the politicians and the media are doing everything in their power to turn the public against Russia. They are working hard to make you hate them and fear them. They are trying to create a boogie man in your mind. Kind of like how they did in the cold war.

    Little details like the facts aren't an obstacle. They're just making stuff up at this point. Claiming to have evidence of Russian troops in eastern Ukraine, but never correcting themselves after the evidence was debunked. Claiming that the rebels in the East were ordering Jews to register and pay a special tax, never correcting themselves after a Jewish organization with connections in the region came forward to debunk the claim. And of course they blamed the violence in Odessa on the Russians too. They're not going to correct themselves.

    You've heard the saying "History is written by the winners". That's not poetic, that's a literal truth. Don't let these people win.
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    If you prefer, here's the Youtube video version of this report:

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    RT.com reports on voting results in eastern Ukraine:

    Officials from the self-proclaimed governments in Donetsk and Lugansk are declaring victory after Sunday's referendum on autonomy from Ukraine. In Donetsk, 89.7 percent of voters backed autonomy, while the figure stands at 96.2 percent in Lugansk, according to local election committees. Voter turnout appeared to be high, with lines at many polling stations stretching for blocks. RT's Paula Slier is in Donetsk, Ukraine with more details on the controversial vote.

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    We can all recall Prince Philip, a dangerous person in my opinion, views about overpopulation and being reincarnated as a virus to reduce it, a strange comment coming from a member of the Royal family who owns some 385,000 acres.


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    RT.com reports US' reaction on voting results in eastern Ukraine:


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    defined ...

    NAZIS ~ a person who holds and acts brutally in accordance with extreme racist or authoritarian views ...

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