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    Quote Posted by heretogrow (here)
    Let's "Group Think" changing this world and this timeline so that each and every person on this planet has a Heavenly Day.
    Listen to this with your eyes closed and a heart full of peace and compassion and caring for all. I guarantee when the song is over, your heart will swell and tears will be streaming down your cheeks. You will have no doubt that just our thoughts of love and gratitude can change the world. If enough us believe this. WE WILL. Sorry about the advertisement at the beginning of the video. I don't know how to take that out. But please don't let that deter you from listening or partaking in a group effort to change this current paradigm to a better one.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVy4w...detailpage#t=0
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    So Sorry. I had trouble embedding the video. Please follow the link if you will. XOXO

    Heretofore, I had this same issue in the beginning.....but many members showed me how to bring in the video. It seems you need the URL. Which I could never find. Some of them showed a way around that wrinkle. I email myself the video I want from YouTube. Then I open the email and select copy. Then you go and write your post selecting YouTube from the little icons. A marker appears between you....... And......tube. This is where you paste your copy. Voila. The video appears in your post. There is a practice thread. You might also take a look at,HOW TO EMBED YOU TUBE VIDEOS." It may help. My apologies for going off topic.


    Here is the song.........

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    Thank you so much carryattune! This song gives me HOPE when I am in my most private moments of despair. It lets me know I just need to find that spark inside my heart that has the power to change things for the best. When I listen to it I imagine people of all walks of life reaching out a holding hands across the whole planet.

    Bill, I am sorry if I have derailed the thread a bit! I just want us to remember that we are creators too. This is my way of saying to you all that I love you, and to take a breath and carry on.

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    So Sorry. I had trouble embedding the video. Please follow the link if you will. XOXO

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    The parasite digs its fangs in to the Ukraine....those already poor people don't realize they are now gonna be ripped off of everything they have (which probably isn't much) by their "new government saviors" so these loans can be paid back....or should I say; just so the interest on these loans can be paid.

    One country after another folk's, when are people gonna wake up to this scam?!?!

    Quote The IMF says it will give $14 to $18 billion in loans, which combined with contributions from the international community, will total up to $27 billion for Ukraine in the next two years. Ukraine is expected to enact tough reforms in exchange for the funding.

    The IMF's required reforms for Ukraine include a flexible exchange rate, higher energy prices and a restructuring of Ukrainian energy giant Naftogaz.

    The reforms will hit the population hard, which could affect support for the interim government.

    http://www.voanews.com/content/obama...t/1880656.html
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    with the world on the Verge of WW III, Obama meets with the Pope of hope...



    Shields up around the leaders...

    energy being absorbed and weaved outward - peace to the world...

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    There are two things that I feel may precede or mark a major escalation of the current crisis in Ukraine/Russia and in the Middle East.

    The first event would be the resignation of the brilliant Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov. If Putin does something that is overly aggressive, Lavrov will be in the unfortunate position of having to either make embarrassing public defences of Putin’s actions, or resign, a move which would be pounced on by Russia’s NATO enemies and maybe even used as an excuse for NATO involvement. I believe that the only action that might prompt such a resignation would be a sudden invasion of Eastern Ukraine – although the circumstances of the invasion would of course affect any decision by Lavrov.

    The other potential harbinger here, and this is the big one, would be a major political or military upheaval in Turkey. I really think that Turkey is a key nation here, one who’s actions will have major consequences in the region and around the globe. In fact it is the recent rise of temperature in that country that is finally leading me to sharing my thoughts in this post here. Firstly, here is a list of key facts and recent events related to Turkey:

    1) Is a NATO state, and is the NATO state that is most at risk of a direct strike against it by another country.

    2) Shares borders with such volatile nations as Syria, Iraq, Iran and Russia (via the black sea).

    3) Is on the cusp or re-normalizing ties with Israel via a compensation deal for the terrorist attack on the Mavi Marmara in 2010.

    4) Is about to have a local election [30th March 2014], and general and presidential elections coming up soon.

    5) Has been actively assisting Islamic insurgents in Syria, and has also directly target Syrian forces with it’s own weapons.

    6) Has a very high level of dissent in the population, market by massive protests a few months ago leading to a number of civilian deaths and many injuries.

    7) That dissent has re-emerged after a teenager who suffered injuries from a police weapon finally died in hospital, sparking more protests.
    8) Has banned twitter [courts overturned this] and now (apparently, as of today) youtube.

    9) Has security services who were secretly recorded planning a false flag event in order to justify massive escalation of Turkish involvement in Syria.

    10) Sees itself, at least in the PM’s eyes, as the authority in the region (Ottoman empire..) – an authority that is being constantly undermined by the survival of the Syrian government that Turkey has been trying to destroy for years.

    11) Reports that Turkish government (Erdogan in particular) is starting to fall out of favour with Washington (we all know what can happen to him in that event).

    12) Possibility that Erdogan will try and extend his role in politics, likely to increase division.

    13) Has a history of military involvement in politics/coups (http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe...814687973.html).


    The talk of the current Turkish regime trying to organise a false flag in Turkey, and the leaking of this information has made Erdogan livid, is about as alarming as it gets. It's also pretty convenient they are set to restore ties with Israel right at the same time. If Turkey tries to turn the tide of the war in Syria, the results could be catastrophic. Any response by Syria against Turkey would activate the NATO charter – justifying direct NATO involvement in Syria – something NATO countries wish for but can not get public support on. The Syrian theatre itself would probably become a full-scale cross border war – something that the government of Syria would probably not survive. And amongst all of this, what does Iran do? What does Russia do? What about Hezbollah and Israel? In all the chaos will there be a military coup in Turkey? Under most situations, NATO comes out as the big winner – which is why I’m worried that they may let this happen.

    Found this today on Erdogan’s future:

    http://www.economist.com/news/europe...ng-his-country

    Quote “What might Mr Erdogan do next? He had hoped to stand for president in August, when the term of the incumbent, Abdullah Gul, a co-founder of AK, runs out. Mr Gul, who has avoided clashing directly with Mr Erdogan but made clear his unhappiness with his restrictive laws, could then become prime minister. But recent events have reduced the chances of Mr Erdogan stepping up to the presidency, not least because he has been unable to amend the constitution to give the job greater powers. So he may prefer to let Mr Gul run again and instead scrap the internal AK party rule against any MP running for a fourth term. That would let him stay on as prime minister and perhaps bring forward the general election due next year.”

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    Here is the devastating recording [part 1] of TPTB actively planning their false flag. I hope the people in Turkey are not asleep. I also included a photo of the main bastard here (the foreign minister, Davutoglu) who has long been trying to bring down the Syrian government. You've surely seen his face plenty of times if you have been following events.


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    From: http://www.syrianews.cc/leaks-reveal...se-flag-syria/

    Translation of first tape
    In the leaked tape,

    Foreign Minister Ahmet Davudoğlu
    Head of Turkish Intelligence MIT Hakan Fidan
    Undersecretary of Foreign Ministry Feridun Sinirlioğlu
    General Yaşar Güler

    search for a reason (and wants to create one if the search is not fruitful) to declare war against Syria. The leakage has two parts, the latter is yet to be translated to English. Here is the first part.

    Başçalanın Seçim Güdümlü Savaş Planı 1-1

    ELECTION DRIVEN WAR PLANS – I PART 1

    Ahmet Davutoğlu: “Prime Minister said that in current conjuncture, this attack (on Suleiman Shah Tomb) must be seen as an opportunity for us.”

    Hakan Fidan: “I’ll send 4 men from Syria, if that’s what it takes. I’ll make up a cause of war by ordering a missile attack on Turkey; we can also prepare an attack on Suleiman Shah Tomb if necessary.”

    Feridun Sinirlioğlu: “Our national security has become a common, cheap domestic policy outfit.”

    Yaşar Güler: “It’s a direct cause of war. I mean, what’re going to do is a direct cause of war.”


    FIRST SCREEN:

    Ahmet Davutoğlu: I couldn’t entirely understand the other thing; what exactly does our foreign ministry supposed to do? No, I’m not talking about the thing. There are other things we’re supposed to do. If we decide on this, we are to notify the United Nations, the Istanbul Consulate of the Syrian regime, right?

    Feridun Sinirlioğlu: But if we decide on an operation in there, it should create a shocking effect. I mean, if we are going to do so. I don’t know what we’re going to do, but regardless of what we decide, I don’t think it’d be appropriate to notify anyone beforehand.

    Ahmet Davutoğlu: OK, but we’re gonna have to prepare somehow. To avoid any shorts on regarding international law. I just realized when I was talking to the president (Abdullah Gül), if the Turkish tanks go in there, it means we’re in there in any case, right?

    Yaşar Güler: It means we’re in, yes.

    Ahmet Davutoğlu: Yeah, but there’s a difference between going in with aircraft and going in with tanks…
    SECOND SCREEN:

    Yaşar Güler: Maybe we can tell the Syrian consulate general that, ISIL is currently working alongside the regime, and that place is Turkish land. We should definitely…

    Ahmet Davutoğlu: But we have already said that, sent them several diplomatic notes.

    Yaşar Güler: To Syria…

    Feridun Sinirlioğlu: That’s right.

    Ahmet Davutoğlu: Yes, we’ve sent them countless times. Therefore, I’d like to know what our Chief of Staff’s expectations from our ministry.

    Yaşar Güler: Maybe his intent was to say that, I don’t really know, he met with Mr. Fidan.

    Hakan Fidan: Well, he did mention that part but we didn’t go into any further details.

    Yaşar Güler: Maybe that was what he meant… A diplomatic note to Syria?

    Hakan Fidan: Maybe the Foreign Ministry is assigned with coordination…

    THIRD SCREEN:
    Ahmet Davutoğlu: I mean, I could coordinate the diplomacy but civil war, the military…

    Feridun Sinirlioğlu: That’s what I told back there. For one thing, the situation is different. An operation on ISIL has solid ground on international law. We’re going to portray this is Al-Qaeda, there’s no distress there if it’s a matter regarding Al-Qaeda. And if it comes to defending Suleiman Shah Tomb, that’s a matter of protecting our land.

    Yaşar Güler: We don’t have any problems with that.

    Hakan Fidan: Second after it happens, it’ll cause a great internal commotion (several bombing events is bound to happen within). The border is not under control…

    Feridun Sinirlioğlu: I mean, yes, the bombings are of course going to happen. But I remember our talk from 3 years ago…

    Yaşar Güler: Mr. Fidan should urgently receive back-up and we need to help him supply guns and ammo to rebels. We need to speak with the minister. Our Interior Minister, our Defense Minister. We need to talk about this and reach a resolution sir.

    Ahmet Davutoğlu: How did we get specials forces into action when there was a threat in Northern Iraq? We should have done so in there, too. We should have trained those men. We should have sent men. Anyway, we can’t do that, we can only do what diplomacy…

    Feridun Sinirlioğlu: I told you back then, for God’s sake, general, you know how we managed to get those tanks in, you were there.

    Yaşar Güler: What, you mean our stuff?

    Feridun Sinirlioğlu: Yes, how do you think we’ve managed to rally our tanks into Iraq? How? How did manage to get special forces, the battalions in? I was involved in that. Let me be clear, there was no government decision on that, we have managed that just with a single order.
    FOURTH SCREEN:

    Yaşar Güler: Well, I agree with you. For one thing, we’re not even discussing that. But there are different things that Syria can do right now.

    Ahmet Davutoğlu: General, the reason we’re saying no this operation is because we know about the capacity of those men.

    Yaşar Güler: Look, sir, isn’t MKE (Mechanical and Chemical Industry Corporation) at minister’s bidding? Sir, I mean, Qatar is looking for ammo to buy in cash. Ready cash. So, why don’t they just get it done? It’s at Mr. Minister’s command.

    Ahmet Davutoğlu: But there’s the spot we can’t act integratedly, we can’t coordinate.

    Yaşar Güler: Then, our Prime Minister can summon both Mr. Defence Minister and Mr. Minister at the same time. Then he can directly talk to them.

    Ahmet Davutoğlu: We, Mr. Siniroğlu and I, have literally begged Mr. Prime Minster for a private meeting, we said that things were not looking so bright.

    FIFTH SCREEN:

    Yaşar Güler: Also, it doesn’t have to be crowded meeting. Yourself, Mr. Defence Minister, Mr. Interior Minister and our Chief of Staff, the four of you are enough. There’s no need for a crowd. Because, sir, the main need there is guns and ammo. Not even guns, mainly ammo. We’ve just talked about this, sir. Let’s say we’re building an army down there, 1000 strong. If we get them into that war without previously storing a minimum of 6-months’ worth of ammo, these men will return to us after two months.

    Ahmet Davutoğlu: They’re back already.

    Yaşar Güler: They’ll return to us, sir.

    Ahmet Davutoğlu: They’ve came back from… What was it? Çobanbey.

    Yaşar Güler: Yes, indeed, sir. This matter can’t be just a burden on Mr. Fidan’s shoulders as it is now. It’s unacceptable. I mean, we can’t understand this. Why?

    SIXTH SCREEN:

    Ahmet Davutoğlu: That evening we’d reached a resolution. And I thought that things were taking a turn for the good. Our…

    Feridun Sinirlioğlu: We issued the MGK (National Security Council) resolution the day after. Then we talked with the general…

    Ahmet Davutoğlu: And the other forces really do a good follow up on this weakness of ours. You say that you’re going to capture this place, and that men being there constitutes a risk factor. You pull them back. You capture the place. You reinforce it and send in your troops again.

    Yaşar Güler: Exactly, sir. You’re absolutely right.

    Ahmet Davutoğlu: Right? That’s how I interpret it. But after the evacuation, this is not a military necessity. It’s a whole other thing.

    SEVENTH SCREEN

    Feridun Siniroğlu: There are some serious shifts in global and regional geopolitics. It now can spread to other places. You said it yourself today, and others agreed… We’re headed to a different game now. We should be able to see those. That ISIL and all that jazz, all those organizations are extremely open to manipulation. Having a region made up of organizations of similar nature will constitute a vital security risk for us. And when we first went into Northern Iraq, there was always the risk of PKK blowing up the place. If we thoroughly consider the risks and substantiate… As the general just said…

    Yaşar Güler: Sir, when you were inside a moment ago, we were discussing just that. Openly. I mean, armed forces are a “tool” necessary for you in every turn.

    Ahmet Davutoğlu: Of course. I always tell the Prime Minister, in your absence, the same thing in academic jargon, you can’t stay in those lands without hard power. Without hard power, there can be no soft power.

    EIGTH SCREEN

    Yaşar Güler: Sir.

    Feridun Sinirlioğlu: The national security has been politicized. I don’t remember anything like this in Turkish political history. It has become a matter of domestic policy. All talks we’ve done on defending our lands, our border security, our sovereign lands in there, they’ve all become a common, cheap domestic policy outfit.

    Yaşar Güler: Exactly.

    Feridun Siniroğlu: That has never happened before. Unfortunately but…

    Yaşar Güler: I mean, do even one of the opposition parties support you in such a high point of national security? Sir, is this a justifiable sense of national security?

    Feridun Sinirlioğlu: I don’t even remember such a period.

    NINTH SCREEN:

    Yaşar Güler: In what matter can we be unified, if not a matter of national security of such importance? None.

    Ahmet Davutoğlu: The year 2012, we didn’t do it 2011. If only we’d took serious action back then, even in the summer of 2012.

    Feridun Sinirlioğlu: They were at their lowest back in 2012.

    Ahmet Davutoğlu: Internally, they were just like Libya. Who comes in and goes from power is not of any importance to us. But some things…

    Yaşar Güler: Sir, to avoid any confusion, our need in 2011 was guns and ammo. In 2012, 2013 and today also. We’re in the exact same point. We absolutely need to find this and secure that place.

    Ahmet Davutoğlu: Guns and ammo are not a big need for that place. Because we couldn’t get the human factor in order…

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    Here is your pathetic Fox News coverage of this amazing expose:

    Quote The ban comes after an alleged audio recording of a meeting between the Turkey's foreign minister, intelligence chief and top military and foreign ministry officials was leaked on YouTube. The four are allegedly heard discussing a military intervention in Syria.
    Notice that the BIG STORY here is the Youtube ban, the 'alleged' conversation is just a minor aside and gets a perfunctory inclusion. The false flag and deception aspect is not even mentioned.

    Now let's look at CNN:

    Quote The Turkish government said its YouTube block came as a response to the leak of a conversation between top government officials purportedly discussing the possibility of going to war with neighboring Syria.
    Again the BIG STORY here is the youtube ban. The 'purported' discussion again gets a perfunctory inclusion, with no mention of the false flag.

    A keyword search on either network's homepage gets 0 hits for the word Turkey, I found the CNN article way down the page of their world news section. Similar for Fox, although they seem to have removed the article entirely now.

    Sorry for preaching to the converted..

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    Quote Posted by Tesseract (here)
    The other potential harbinger here, and this is the big one, would be a major political or military upheaval in Turkey. I really think that Turkey is a key nation here, one who’s actions will have major consequences in the region and around the globe.
    I completely agree with this statement, Turkey is a very major player right now on many possible fronts.
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    That's interesting because our news presented us with a recent study conducted over Europe to measure the use of tobacco and where it had in-/decreased or remained the same. In the listing Turkey scored better than Belgium and the first thing I thought was: Since when do we include Turkey in studies about European affairs?

    It was weird. When we get the OESO studies that measure European educational matters we don't hear of Turkey.

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    Default Re: Ukraine, Crimea, Syria, Israel, Iran, Putin, and World War III

    I agree with Turkey being important, this is why i thought Bill's post should be translated into Turkish, but I know nobody you could do it.

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    Turkey is basically aligned with the west. Also a NATO member...but it wouldn't take much for them to be pushed in another direction IMO. I consider Turkey extremely unpredictable.
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    Translation of part 2: [please read in full]
    From: https://eksisozluk.com/entry/41519736
    And video here https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=lm7eg0-IjlI
    I don’t speak Turkish so I take this translation at face value.

    hakan fidan: we sent around 2000 trucks loaded with supplies.

    yaşar güler: i think guns aren't needed there. my own opinion. ammo is needed. yes sir. mr. minister, mr. hakan (fidan) is here, we said we can give a general. mr. fidan himself asked for it himself in the first place. we said we can. we designated the general, and that general went.
    feridun sinirlioğlu: if we need to be practical, minister of defense should sign for the sake of this nation. our prime minister should give the order once more, clearly.

    ahmet davutoğlu: actually to me, tonight…

    yaşar güler: sir, we don’t have any problems tonight.
    feridun sinirlioğlu: the order for the operation is already given for tonight.

    yaşar güler: we delivered the immediate order for the operation. perhaps mr. fidan also knows.

    ahmet davutoğlu: hakan, what is the complications if we decide to send tanks?

    hakan fidan: well, without coordination, if we consider the power balance…

    yaşar güler: this is why we ask for the mit’s coordination mr. minister.

    hakan fidan: …not with the presence and capacity of armed men.

    yaşar gülen: this is why we take for the coordination of mit as the prerequisite mr. minister. that is, there is nothing tonight that you should be concerned of mr. minister. not tonight, not later. but we need to solve this issue in the long run mr. minister.

    ahmet davutoğlu: i always think optionally about that thing, but we couldn’t convince those men. we will insert- strengthen with tanks from inside. from that point on we need to consider the war conditions -and between doing that and declaring war-, we are doing an operation.

    yaşar güler: this is reason to war (casus belli). what we will do is directly a reason to war.

    hakan fidan: not a reason to war with syria.

    yaşar güler: no, these men.

    hakan fidan: what i am coming at is; now, we know that 2 plus 2 makes 4. now, if we, there, that thing there does not signify anything strategically, if not the positive image etc… if we are to enter a war,
    let’s plan it and enter. i mean, …

    yaşar güler: this is also what we are saying since the beginning.

    hakan fidan: what i cannot accept is this; not that i take… now, we consider to use force, for the tomb of suleyman sah we consider using guns, which means, for a part of homeland with size of about this room, 10 decares of land, we run the risk of using guns, for the 22-28 soldiers there. well, we have thousands of kilometers border, and yet we don’t risk it for the lives of millions of people. look, this is not reasonable! let me say this. if we are going to use guns, let us do it from very the beginning. if these men are a threat…

    feridun sinirlioğlu: well, there is a reason to that…

    hakan fidan: using this as a justification is another thing. the other is different..

    yaşar güler: well, our ministry of foreign affairs can never find a reason to the latter, but for this yes…

    hakan fidan: wait, let me tell you this…

    ahmet davutoğlu: just between us, prime minister said that this (attacking the tomb of suleyman sah) should also be considered as an opportunity in this conjuncture

    hakan fidan: sir, look, if the justification- we can- i can send four men to the other side, and make them fire 8 missiles to deserted territory. it is not a problem! justification can be created. problem is such a will should be put forward. we are putting forward the will to enter into a war, but we fail in reasoning.

    feridun sinirlioğlu: let me tell you this, 10 decares of land. 10 decares of land is a very valid justification according to the international law, additionally, in terms of legitimacy, making such an operation against isil, the whole world will be behind us. do not even doubt this.

    yaşar güler: no, we do not have any doubts.

    feridun sinirlioğlu: no, i am telling this to everyone. on that matter-

    yaşar güler: mr. minister, our forces there have been ready for a year, waiting. this is not a precaution we took yesterday, these men are there for a year.

    hakan fidan: why we are still waiting for the tomb of suleyman sah, i don’t get this.

    ahmet davutoğlu: we did, we did everything diplomatically possible.

    feridun sinirlioğlu: we need a justification, a good justification.

    hakan fidan: no, i can fabricate a justification, justification is not a problem.

    feridun sinirlioğlu: no, fabricating justification is another, there is a very solid justification

    hakan fidan: if necessary, we can make an attack there (tomb of suleyman sah) as well, there too, we attack preemptively. we can do, i mean, i am trying to understand.

    feridun sinirlioğlu: we have done these before, these can be done of course. we can make it done,

    hakan fidan: i mean, if we are ready to use that thing, in correct time and place, let us do it with a purpose determined by us.

    ahmet davutoğlu: hakan, as you said, if what you mean is a lack of strategy in fabricating a justification, you are right. against these men…

    an officer: sir, without that happening-
    ahmet davutoğlu: yes, we will pass on to that okay take it and i am coming. you cannot say to the us secretary of state, "we need to take strong measures."

    hakan fidan: well, sir, what i am saying is-

    ahmet davutoğlu: then he will say, you did not even defend your own land. we had many friendly conversations, mostly with kerry and he told me exactly this, did you decide to strike and …

    yaşar güler: sir, we did, we did a hundred times. with us…

    feridun sinirlioğlu: well, look, three days ago, a thing happened at the office of general chief of staff, this thing came up and they had a coordination meeting. i see that for the first time. the americans-

    yaşar güler: no, we do it regularly!
    feridun sinirlioğlu: no, no.. the americans in that meeting distributed the plans for the no fly zone. for the first time. do you know that?

    hakan fidan: hmm, what i underline is, sir, if we are going to take such an important decision for this sort of reason, sulayman sah tomb, if we are ready to take this decision
    feridun sinirlioğlu: no, not only suleyman sah.

    hakan fidan: i say this thing, if we are ready to make this decision, we should have taken this already. because of the threat and the benefits we have, this is what i am trying to say. as a state, inability, the strategic decision-

    ahmet davutoğlu: yes, if we could have taken that decision in a smaller scale then we would not be isolated as today.

    yaşar güler: no, wait, we took this decision,

    hakan fidan: but it is not implemented.

    yaşar güler: we cannot implement the decision, we are paralyzed for various reasons, this is our problem mr. minister. the apparatus of the state is not working.

    ahmet davutoğlu: i don’t accept that, let me tell you clearly, i turn to my side of the matter, for the state tradition i was brought in. would you accept this; in the ministry of foreign affairs, certain political debates are causing lags in the processes…

    ahmet davutoğlu: now, such a thing would not be legitimate! everyone should do their responsibilities with determination. if an ambassador says, mr. minister they are taking me off duty they are taking everyone off, what do you do? we say, let you take your retirement and we will find someone else to do it, don’t we? this is the way to look at it. this is how democracy works..

    yaşar güler: mr. minister, you are completely right

    ahmet davutoğlu: currently, the state is run only through a few agencies and a few people who are able to make proper decisions, this i

    yaşar güler: certainly sir, certainly

    ahmet davutoğlu: well, are we going to back down from this

    yaşar güler: no, we will not back down sir, we will not

    ahmet davutoğlu: anyway, let’s pass on to the other side.

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    I just saw something so incredible and absurd I almost exploded.

    1) Fox has, as far as I can tell, deleted their original story that mentioned (briefly) the secret recording that exposed the plans for a contrived excuse to invade Syria, including the option of manufacturing some event.

    2) Fox news is now running an article that innocently 'explains' that there is suddenly a jihadist threat to this little Turkish part of Syria, and any attack on it might prompt Turkey to invade. This article is planting in the minds of the reader that some event may occur and Turkey may be forced to act. AS IF THIS WHOLE SCENARIO WERE NOT PRE-PLANNED, AND AS IF THAT EXACT PLAN HAD NOT ALREADY BEEN LEAKED. The article also COMPLETELY FAILS to mention the damning recording, instead mentioning a different recording altogether as some kind of decoy.

    So, Fox is actively encouraging this scripted escalation of the war to go ahead.

    Someone shoot me in the head.

    Link here if you think this is too absurd to be true:
    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/03...den-syria-war/

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    I imagine most of those higher up in the MSM would have got a pineapple for almost exposing the actual truth in the first place.
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    I guess page 11 is a good place to bring this up...

    3/11/11 had a meaning to the date of the Japanese earthquake...

    now, III years later, III days before III/11 a flight loaded with a dirty bomb was in route for China, aimed at bringing them into the war along with Russia...

    I have a feeling, the attack was once again planned for III/11, why is having big disasters so important to a certain group on that date?

    Sorcha's Latest...

    Quote A stunning new report prepared by the Main Intelligence Directorate of the General Staff of the Armed Forces (GRU) circulating in the Kremlin today leaves no doubt as to why President Barack Obama warned this week that his greatest fear was not Russia, but rather a nuclear bomb being exploded in the heart of New York City, as it reveals that the pilot of the missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah [photo 2nd left], was a Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) “asset” whose plane was carrying the “dirtiest bomb known to have ever been constructed.”

    According to this report, and as we had previously reported, Flight 370 was already under GRU “surveillance” after it received a “highly suspicious” cargo load that had been traced to the Indian Ocean nation Republic of Seychelles, and where it had previously been aboard the US-flagged container ship MV Maersk Alabama.

    What first aroused GRU suspicions regarding the MV Maersk Alabama was that within 24-hours of off-loading this “highly suspicious” cargo load bound for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, the two highly-trained US Navy Seals assigned to protect it, Mark Daniel Kennedy, 43, and Jeffrey Keith Reynolds, 44, were found dead under “suspicious circumstances.”

    Both Kennedy and Reynolds were employed by the Virginia Beach, Virginia-based maritime security firm The Trident Group which was founded by US Navy Special Operations Personnel (SEAL’s) and Senior US Naval Surface Warfare Officers and had long been known by the GRU to protect vital transfers of both atomic and biological materials throughout the world.

    The GRU, likewise, had reported that this “highly suspicious” cargo, after it was unloaded from the MV Maersk Alabama, on 17 February, was then transferred to Seychelles International Airport where it was loaded on an Emirates flight bound for Kuala Lumpur International Airport (KLIA) in Malaysia, after first stopping over in Dubai.

    Prior to Flight 370 entering the People Liberation Army (PLA) protected zones of the South China Sea known as the Spratly Islands after its 8 March departure from KLIA, the GRU had previously reported, it “significantly deviated” from its flight course and was tracked by VKO satellites and radar flying into the Indian Ocean region and completing its nearly 3,447 kilometer (2,142 miles) flight to the Diego Garcia atoll.

    Critical to note about Flight 370’s flight deviation, GRU experts said, was that it occurred during the same time period that all of the Spratly Island mobile phone communications operated by China Mobile were being jammed.

    As to why Flight 370 was diverted to Diego Garcia, the GRU reported it was initially “puzzled” about, that is until 16 March when it reported that top disease scientists from both the US and China were flown there, and on 21 March reported that the “highly suspicious” cargo aboard the plane had been transferred to the White Sands Missile Range in New Mexico where it was then destroyed in a “massive explosion.”

    Important to note, this new GRU report says, is that Diego Garcia has long been a “prime target” for adversaries of the US due to its being the location from where the wars against Iraq and Afghanistan were directed, and its being the one of the CIA’s most feared “black sites” of torture and abuse of prisoners.

    Most “gravely concerning” about Flight 370, this new GRU report says, was that its Captain, Zaharie Ahmad Shah, was discovered to have in his home a flight simulator containing The Flight Termination System (FTS) which allows an aircraft to be remotely controlled, as well as landing instructions for Diego Garcia.

    The FTS, the GRU notes, is a fully redundant turn-key range safety and test system for remote control and flight termination of airborne test vehicles that consists of a Command Transmitter System (CTS) and custom control, interface, and monitoring subsystems. The system is fully programmable and is flexible enough to meet the changing requirements of today's modern test ranges, its manufacturer, System Planning Corporation (SPC) says.

    Critical to note about the FTS manufacturer SPC, this report says, is that it was once headed by the mysterious American “war hawk” Dov Zakheim who many still believe was one of the masterminds behind the 11 September 2011 attacks upon the US, and who in a 2000 position paper titled Rebuilding America's Defenses which called for “a New Pearl Harbor.”

    NOTE: In a document called “Rebuilding America’s Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources for a New Century” published by The American Enterprise’s “Project for a New American Century”(1), System Planning Corporation (SPC) International executive, Dov Zakheim, called for “some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor” being necessary to foster the frame of mind needed for the American public to support a war in the Middle East that would politically and culturally reshape the region. A respected and established voice in the intelligence community, his views were eagerly accepted, and Dov went from his position at Systems Planning Corporation to become the Comptroller of the Pentagon in May 2001. Perhaps not so coincidentally, it was an SPC subsidiary, TRIDATA CORPORATION, that oversaw the investigation after the terrorist attack on the World Trade Center in 1993.

    As to Captain Shah’s complicity in the destruction of Flight 370, this report continues, GRU assests have confirmed his being targeted by a CIA “honey trap” which destroyed his marriage and left him in “no state of mind to be flying.”

    This GRU report further confirms Malaysian investigators discovery that Captain Shah received a two-minute call shortly before the take-off of Flight 370 from this CIA “honey pot” using a mobile phone number obtained under a false identity.

    As to the course of Flight 370 once it left KLIA, the GRU says, it is “nearly assured” that Captain Shah disabled the communication systems and “activated” the FTS allowing the US Navy to divert it to Diego Garcia, but only after it had ascended to nearly 44,000 feet where “undoubtedly” all of the other passengers and crew were killed by asphyxiation.

    After the “highly suspicious” cargo Flight 370 was carrying was offloaded in Diego Garcia, GRU analysts in this report say, its “most likely” tragic ending occurred around 3,218 kilometers (2,000 miles) off Diego Garcia, which is part of Britain’s Indian Ocean territory, where it was deliberately destroyed as evidenced by the over 300 objects spotted in this region by a Thai satellite.

    As to what exactly the “highly suspicious” cargo aboard Flight 370 was this report doesn’t say, other than to note that due to the extraordinary, and deadly, lengths the US went through to obtain and then destroy it most likely could have been the “dirtiest bomb known to have ever been constructed.”

    Also left unanswered in this report is who within the US is responsible for all of these events, as the GRU says it is “highly unlikely” that Obama was even “in the loop” regarding it... link to story
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    This makes me sick.

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    Turkey is a member of the European soccer federation UEFA, and so btw is Israel. Turkey has had ties with the European Union since way before the EU came into being. Its highly controversial application to join was filed in 1987.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accessi...European_Union


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    Quote Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
    Turkey is basically aligned with the west. Also a NATO member...but it wouldn't take much for them to be pushed in another direction IMO. I consider Turkey extremely unpredictable.
    Babylon.com has a an English to Turkish translator. Best I could figure it is $39.00 for the full translator. Maybe $10.00 month full use. Not sure.

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    Welcome to America!!

    Quote Posted by Tesseract (here)
    I just saw something so incredible and absurd I almost exploded.

    1) Fox has, as far as I can tell, deleted their original story that mentioned (briefly) the secret recording that exposed the plans for a contrived excuse to invade Syria, including the option of manufacturing some event.

    2) Fox news is now running an article that innocently 'explains' that there is suddenly a jihadist threat to this little Turkish part of Syria, and any attack on it might prompt Turkey to invade. This article is planting in the minds of the reader that some event may occur and Turkey may be forced to act. AS IF THIS WHOLE SCENARIO WERE NOT PRE-PLANNED, AND AS IF THAT EXACT PLAN HAD NOT ALREADY BEEN LEAKED. The article also COMPLETELY FAILS to mention the damning recording, instead mentioning a different recording altogether as some kind of decoy.

    So, Fox is actively encouraging this scripted escalation of the war to go ahead.

    Someone shoot me in the head.

    Link here if you think this is too absurd to be true:
    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/03...den-syria-war/

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