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    Quote News alert my son phoned to say some plane has been shot down Turkey/ Syria

    only on Al jazeera so far.
    This has happened before in the last couple of years,
    so should not be an immediate threat....




    23 March 2014 Last updated at 13:56

    Turkey shoots down Syrian military jetRecep Tayyip Erdogan, 25 Feb



    Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan congratulated his air force

    Turkey's Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan says its armed forces have shot
    down a Syrian military jet which had violated its airspace.

    He warned such action by Syria merited a "heavy response".

    But Syria accused Turkey of "blatant aggression", saying the plane had been over
    Syrian territory at the time. The incident reportedly occurred in an area where
    Syrian rebels and government forces have been fighting for control of a border
    crossing.Hundreds of thousands have fled Syria for Turkey to escape the three-year
    uprising against President Assad.More than 100,000 people have been killed since
    the Syrian conflict began.

    According to UN figures, 6.5 million Syrians have been displaced by the civil war,
    and 2.5 million are registered as refugees. Lebanon has taken the highest number
    of refugees, followed by Jordan and Turkey.

    'Caught fire and crashed'

    Speaking at a rally of supporters, Mr Erdogan congratulated his air force on its
    actions on Sunday.

    "A Syrian plane violated our airspace. Our F-16s took off and hit this plane. Why?
    because if you violate my airspace, our slap after this will be hard," he said.

    A Syrian military source, quoted by state television, said Turkish air defences had
    shot down a Syrian jet as it attacked rebels on Syrian territory - an act of "blatant
    aggression".

    The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights - a UK-based activist group - said initial
    reports from the area suggested the plane came down on the Syrian side of the
    border.

    "Turkish air defences targeted a Syrian fighter bomber as it struck areas of the
    northern province of Latakia. The plane caught fire and crashed in Syrian territory,"
    the Observatory said.

    According to one report, the plane's pilot was able to eject.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-26706417
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    From Reters news

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...A2M09X20140323

    (Reuters) - Turkey's armed forces shot down a Syrian plane on Sunday after it crossed into Turkish air space in a border region where Syrian rebels have been battling President Bashar al-Assad's forces.

    "A Syrian plane violated our airspace," Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan told an election rally of his supporters in northwest Turkey.

    "Our F-16s took off and hit this plane. Why? Because if you violate my airspace, our slap after this will be hard,"

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    23 March 2014 Last updated at 14:31

    Nato warns of Russian army build-up on Ukraine borderLatest




    Ukrainian troops on the border with Russia, 21 March Ukrainian troops are
    stationed on the border with Russia, in smaller numbers Nato's military commander
    in Europe has issued a warning about the build-up of Russian forces on Ukraine's
    border.Supreme Allied Commander Europe Gen Philip Breedlove said Nato was in
    particular concerned about the threat to Moldova's Trans-Dniester region.

    Russia said its forces east of Ukraine complied with international agreements.

    The build-up has been allied with Russia's annexation of Crimea from Ukraine,
    following the removal of Ukraine's pro-Moscow president.Moscow formally annexed
    Crimea after the predominantly ethnic-Russian region held a referendum which
    backed joining the Russian Federation.

    Kiev and the West have condemned the vote as "illegal".

    Russian flags have now been hoisted at 189 Ukrainian military units and facilities in
    Crimea, the Interfax news agency reports.Moscow's ambassador to the EU told the
    BBC the "reunification" had not been pre-planned but was the end of
    an "abnormality" which had lasted for 60 years.Vladimir Chizhov also said said
    Moscow did not have any "expansionist views" and that "nobody should fear Russia".

    On Sunday, Ukraine's National Security and Defence Council chief Andriy Parubiy
    told a big rally in Kiev: "The aim of [President Vladimir] Putin is not Crimea, but all
    of Ukraine... His troops massed at the border are ready to attack at any moment."




    'Adversary'

    The comments by Gen Breedlove came at an event held by the German Marshall
    Fund think-tank in Brussels.He said: "The [Russian] force that is at the Ukrainian
    border now to the east is very, very sizeable and very, very ready."



    War memorial in Tiraspol, file pic A war memorial in Tiraspol, Trans-Dniester. Nato
    fears Russian troops could move there quickly He added: "There is absolutely
    sufficient force postured on the eastern border of Ukraine to run to Trans-Dniester
    if the decision was made to do that and that is very worrisome.



    "Russia is acting much more like an adversary than a partner."

    Map of Trans-Dniester
    Trans-Dniester is a narrow strip of land between the Dniester river and Ukraine's
    south-western border and it proclaimed independence from Moldova in 1990.

    The international community has not recognised its self-declared statehood.

    As Crimea was annexed, the Trans-Dniester Supreme Soviet sent a request asking
    to join the Russian Federation.On Sunday, Russia's Deputy Defence Minister
    Anatoly Antonov told the Itar-Tass agency: "The Russian Defence Ministry is in
    compliance with all international agreements limiting the number of troops in the
    border areas with Ukraine."

    Russia's ambassador to the EU warned the US against sending troops or military aid
    to Ukraine, saying it would be a "grave mistake".

    Crimea base falls

    Mr Chizhov told the BBC that Russia did not recognise the new government in Kiev
    but he expected it to safeguard the rights of ethnic Russians in Ukraine.

    "We want to see the interests of people living in eastern Ukraine - ethnic Russians,
    Russian speakers, all the population of eastern Ukraine - to be taken into account
    by whoever is the authority in Kiev today" he said.

    Read more....

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26704205
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    Good Work Bill!

    lets see what happens. hopefully nothing like they were planning.

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    This article came to my attention this morning. I know there are some youtube video's floating around with a similar title...however this is IMO a very interesting article with historical information as to how this "game" has been being operated as far back as the 1953 CIA-MI6 coup in Iran.

    If it was posted already...sorry for the repetition...

    Putin puts fear of God in New World Order

    Posted by Eric Barlow on March 22, 2014

    Full article at this link:
    http://wearechange.org/putin-puts-fe...w-world-order/

    This is just the first few paragraphs:

    Quote In the wake of Crimea’s independence referendum, Hillary Clinton says Russian President Putin is a “new Hitler.” Zbigniew Brezezinski, former National Security Advisor agrees, calling Putin not just another Hitler, but also a thug, a menace, a Mafia gangster, and a Mussolini. The Western mainstream media echoes this childish name-calling.

    Why is the whole Western foreign policy establishment so afraid of Putin?

    Because Putin is standing up against Western aggression – not only in Ukraine, but also in Syria and Iran. Ongoing Western attempts to destabilize these and other countries are just the most recent examples of a decades-old pattern of aggression. The long-term goal: Total destruction of traditional nations and values, and the creation of a New World Order global dictatorship.

    Since the 1953 CIA-MI6 coup in Iran, the West has been using the same formula to overthrow legitimate but uncooperative leaders: First, sabotage the country’s economy. Then bribe corrupt military officers and thugs and pay rent-a-mobs to create chaos in the streets. Next (this step is optional) incite violence by paying snipers to fire into crowds – and maybe set off some bombs. Finally, send the corrupt military units and gangsters to overthrow the target nation’s legitimate leader, murder or imprison his supporters, install a Western puppet in his place – and announce that “order has been restored.”

    The CIA did it to Iran’s democratically-elected Prime Minister Mossadegh in 1953, to Indonesia’s President Sukarno in 1965, and to Chile’s Prime Minister Allende on September 11th, 1973. They did the same thing to Ukraine’s legitimate president, Viktor Yanukovych, a few weeks ago. Neocon regime-change apparatchik Victoria Nuland (The assistant US secretary of state,) got caught admitting that the US had spent five billion dollars to overthrow Ukraine’s democratically-elected government; and EU Foreign Affairs Chief Catherine Ashton was heard on tape discussing the “news” that the Maidan Square snipers were part of the US-sponsored coup.

    The people of Ukraine should be worried. US-sponsored coups can turn very bloody very quickly.

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    Quote Posted by Kimberley (here)
    This article came to my attention this morning. I know there are some youtube video's floating around with a similar title...however this is IMO a very interesting article with historical information as to how this "game" has been being operated as far back as the 1953 CIA-MI6 coup in Iran.
    I would just like to clarify a few misnomers in these first few paragraphs:

    Quote In the wake of Crimea’s independence referendum, Hillary Clinton says Russian President Putin is a “new Hitler.” Zbigniew Brezezinski, former National Security Advisor agrees, calling Putin not just another Hitler, but also a thug, a menace, a Mafia gangster, and a Mussolini. The Western mainstream media echoes this childish name-calling.
    These so called western v eastern puppets are paid mercenaries for the globalists and are part of the DC establishment of the corporate UNITED STATES and have nothing to do with the actual nation of the United States. It's not a "western" phenomenon any more than it is a United States phenomenon.

    Quote Why is the whole Western foreign policy establishment so afraid of Putin? Because Putin is standing up against Western aggression – not only in Ukraine, but also in Syria and Iran. Ongoing Western attempts to destabilize these and other countries are just the most recent examples of a decades-old pattern of aggression. The long-term goal: Total destruction of traditional nations and values, and the creation of a New World Order global dictatorship.
    I'm not convinced that there is an alliance which is going against the globalists. Putin could be playing both sides of the fence, but it is more likely he is protecting the resources (natural gas) in that part of Russia.

    Quote Since the 1953 CIA-MI6 coup in Iran, the West has been using the same formula to overthrow legitimate but uncooperative leaders: First, sabotage the country’s economy. Then bribe corrupt military officers and thugs and pay rent-a-mobs to create chaos in the streets. Next (this step is optional) incite violence by paying snipers to fire into crowds – and maybe set off some bombs. Finally, send the corrupt military units and gangsters to overthrow the target nation’s legitimate leader, murder or imprison his supporters, install a Western puppet in his place – and announce that “order has been restored.”
    And this is just more imperialism at the hands of the globalist's paid mercenary force known as the US military. Iran has the richest oil reserve on the planet and the Ukraine has the natural gas, and they want it.

    Quote The CIA did it to Iran’s democratically-elected Prime Minister Mossadegh in 1953, to Indonesia’s President Sukarno in 1965, and to Chile’s Prime Minister Allende on September 11th, 1973. They did the same thing to Ukraine’s legitimate president, Viktor Yanukovych, a few weeks ago. Neocon regime-change apparatchik Victoria Nuland (The assistant US secretary of state,) got caught admitting that the US had spent five billion dollars to overthrow Ukraine’s democratically-elected government; and EU Foreign Affairs Chief Catherine Ashton was heard on tape discussing the “news” that the Maidan Square snipers were part of the US-sponsored coup.
    It is important for us to recognize imperialism being fostered on the world and awaken the masses to who benefits and who gets rich from such imperialism. The debate being contextualized as western, US, between nations etc. takes the focus off who is actually fomenting such chaos and what the ultimate agenda is and who is perpetuating such an agenda.

    Quote The people of Ukraine should be worried. US-sponsored coups can turn very bloody very quickly.
    We must be careful not to call this imperialism "western" or "US" as it is not American, is not sanctioned by the souls who live in the west, and is strictly the globalists agenda.

    Quote Posted by Kimberley (here)
    NOW more than ever...much love, PEACE, joy, health, and fun to us all!!!!!
    I think the world is waking up to the fact that imperialism is fostered by globalists and are not nation state, and hopefully we do not fall for the divisiveness of war and corrupt central banking and debt, and refuse to participate in the globalist bankster imperialism.
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    If this is true, something "big-time" could be in the works!

    Quote All Israeli embassies and consulates closed worldwide first time, FM stops its work due to strikes – trade union
    http://israelforeignaffairs.com/all-...es-trade-union
    Israel just beefed up all it's air defenses too recently, they say due to this missing jet, coincidence? hmmmm

    PS: It's hard not to be a little concerned with so many rather large (and strange/dangerous) events going on right now.
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    The Truthseeker: Media 'staged' Syria chem attack (E36)



    Published on 23 Mar 2014


    BBC 'total fabrication from beginning to end' of Syria 'atrocity'; call to revoke visas
    for intel agents posing as reporters in NATO targets; CIA caught infiltrating CNN,
    and Operation Mockingbird is back.

    Seek truth from facts with UK Member of Parliament George Galloway; Illinois
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    Read the full transcript http://on.rt.com/r4608l
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    Quote Posted by ndroock1 (here)

    Alex Jones repackages news events into his own brand of science 'fact'-ion. As long as it scares his listeners so that they order more stuff from his sponsors. I can't believe you use any of his 'sources'.
    ABC, NBC, CNN et. al (aka mainstream media) fashion the public perception, news and reality itself (a complete fabrication) to feed its sponsors,-- er, it's owners -- i.e. the military/pharma/security industrial complex.

    I have no problem with Alex Jones selling vitamins, supplements, and alternative information. No one is forcing anyone to buy these products. But of course, none of us have this choice when it comes to the ultimate product the mainstream media is pushing. Not only are we forced to adapt to the brand of reality they create, we are force fed their product. We all buy it, with our sweat, blood, tears, and hard earned money (and some of the unfortunate among us with the price of our very lives) whether we want it or not.
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    Referendums are either illegal or legal depending on who has the final word !!

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    The breakaway of Kosovo demonstrated that secession has little to do with international law
    or morality and everything to do with politics and power. But the same sponsors of that violent
    event now call Crimea's self-determination illegal and immoral. Is it a case of double standards?
    Do world powers prefer the legal ambiguity surrounding secession to justify their incongruent
    positions? Oksana is joined by Associate Professor of International Relations at Macquarie
    University, Dr Aleksandar Pavkovic, to debate these issues.

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    Venice Referendum: Crimea encouraged vote to take place

    Published on 23 Mar 2014



    Hot on the heels of Crimea breaking away from Ukraine, the Italian city of Venice
    has voted for independence from Rome. An overwhelming 89 percent of Venetians
    voted for going it alone, in a referendum... and the city could now start withholding
    taxes from the Italian government. Local professor Paolo Bernardini spoke to my
    colleague Bill Dod, and broke down the reasoning for the historic move.

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    Romney stepped forward to say Obama didn't read Putin's possible response correctly...

    Putin's response to sanctions, was dump the dollar and freeze all payments to Western Bankers for loans given to the Russian state...

    time to start a new banking system...


    "The most important point to understand is that this war and looting policy is not in the interest of the Europeans or even of the Americans.

    This is the big secret that now cannot be covered anymore. The governments of the US and the European countries are NOT independent entities, they are not sovereign. They do not have the will or even the ability to act on behalf of their people. They are controlled by powerful banking interests. They have been taken over by two financial centers that do not care for the real economy. They pursue only speculation and looting.

    In response on March 4th the economic adviser to Putin, Sergey Glazyev declared openly that if the financial vultures persisted, Russia would create on the spot an independent financial system which is separate from that of the US Dollar.

    Glazyev explained to the vampires:

    ‘We have wonderful economic and trade relations with our Southern and Eastern partners. We will find a way not just to eliminate our dependence on the US but also profit from these sanctions….If sanctions are applied against Russia’s state structures we will have to move into other currencies and create our own settlement system. We will be forced to recognize the impossibility of repayment of the loans that the US banks gave to Russian state structures. Indeed, sanctions are a double-edged weapon, and if the US chooses to freeze our assets, then our equities and liabilities in dollars will also be frozen…’

    This strategy is known as the Financial Nuclear Option. It could lead to the end of the predatory looting system of Wall Street.

    The ‘Southern and Eastern partners’ Glazyev is talking about are clearly the members of the BRICS, Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa, the sane part of the world economy, the future.

    And it is exactly what the official spokesman of the Kremlin, Dmitry Peskov indicated in an interview to the BBC:

    “Sanctions against Russia could be the final trigger that will force many countries to create a new independent financial system based on the real economy. The world is changing rapidly. How many civilizations grew and died in the course of history? Who will be able to resist the pressure of dying systems and indicate to the people the road toward the future?”

    The possibility of a new financial system independent from the collapsing dollar empire, as consequence of anti Russia sanctions was also emphasized by an authoritative the Russian media including RT. (See:http://rt.com/op-edge/russia-switche...sanctions-357/)

    …Western sanctions might push Russia to deepen cooperation with BRICS states, in particular, to strengthen its ties with China, which will possibly turn out to be a big catastrophe for the US and the EU some time later... link"


    Israel is standing in a pretty rough position being forced to back a Neo Nazi Government with NATO and by doing so Putin/Russia are being forced to end the Fed...

    if Obama keeps this up, Ron Paul might even crack a smile...


    Brazil's President Dilma Rousseff, India's Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, Russia's President Vladimir Putin, China's President Xi Jinping and South African President Jacob Zuma pose for a photo after the BRICS leader's meeting at the G20 summit on September 5, 2013 in Saint Petersburg.(AFP Photo / Sergei Karpukhin )
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    My 2 cents on Crimea:

    Putin totally caught the west off guard when he made the move to annex Crimea. He has outflanked them and the west currently have few options. Putin subverted their original plans, things are not going as planned for the west. I believe the west has formed a response that they will enact this week. They are building their short position against Russian equities and will inflict some pain that way, but because the Russian stock market has one of the cheapest valuations of any index, they will only be able to do that for the short term. It must be remembered that the Ukraine has very little effect on the world economy. Putin has no incentive or need to use tactical nuclear weapons, he just has to make sure he protects his assets in Crimea. If he was going to invade Ukraine, he would have done it by now.
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    I'm going to go ahead and post this article here (bold is mine). What the bloody hell is going on? It is ridiculous to believe that Syria is launching a space program in the middle of Civil War and global conflict for "scientific research" purposes. Hmmmm....

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    Why is Syria launching a space program during a civil war?
    This week, as the civil war in Syria entered its fourth year, the government of President Bashar al-Assad announced plans to create the country's first space agency. The state-run SANA news agency did not indicate what kind of projects the Syrian Space Agency will undertake, saying only that they will be "of a scientific and research nature," nor did it specify how much it would cost to start up. The goal, it said, is to use "space technology for exploration and observing the Earth."

    But there are doubts about the government's ability to launch a space program in the middle of a civil war that has ravaged Syria's economy and forced many of its best scientists to seek refuge in other countries. More than 140,000 people have been killed since unrest broke out between the Assad regime and various rebel groups in March 2011, and about 2.5 million have fled the country, according to estimates from the United Nations. Peace negotiations between the government and opposition groups ended in deadlock earlier this year, and the violence has shown no signs of letting up.

    "SYRIA'S INTEREST MAY BE PRACTICAL OR SYMBOLIC."

    The war has had a devastating effect on the Syrian economy, as well, eroding the value of the country's currency and shrinking its GDP by 40 percent, according to a UN report published last year. Many factories and other infrastructure have been destroyed or damaged, and oil revenue dramatically declined after rebels seized critical fields.

    This week's announcement may be an attempt by government leaders to quell fears over its limping economy; during the same cabinet session, the country's prime minister insisted that Syria's economic situation remains stable and that attempts to stabilize its currency were effective. But a strong economy isn't always a prerequisite for launching a space program. As the Washington Post notes, low-income countries like Nigeria and Ukraine have established space agencies, and emerging powers like China and India have invested heavily in space missions, as well. Not all programs shoot for the moon, either; only 12 out of the roughly 70 space agencies in the world have launch capabilities.

    "Syria's interest in a space agency may be practical or symbolic," says Mariel Borowitz, an assistant professor and space policy expert at Georgia Tech. She adds that the program could be used for a wide range of domestic purposes — including satellites for communication and disaster response — or could simply be "a source of prestige" for the country at a time of crisis. And even with Syria's ongoing economic problems, Borowitz notes that it wouldn't be expensive for the country to set up a very small agency, as countries like Ecuador and Portugal have.

    SYRIAN STUDENTS FACE "VIOLENCE, KIDNAPPING, AND TORTURE."

    Syria's proposed space agency would likely remain small, considering the country's evaporating academic community. Many universities have been destroyed over the course of the war, and professors and students have been either killed or forced to fight with the government or opposition groups. Countless others have fled to refugee camps in Jordan and other neighboring countries, often without the resources needed to continue their education. Human rights activists estimate that some 35,000 students have left the country since the war began.

    "Students and scholars are isolated in war-ridden cities or remote villages where schools and universities have been bombed, occupied by military and rebel forces and left as strategic targets of opposing sides of the conflict," says Daniela Kaisth, vice president of the nonprofit Institute of International Education (IIE). The New York-based IIE has in recent years been working to help relocate Syrian professors and researchers to other countries, away from the dangers they face at home.

    "Many of the students and scholars we hear from do not have valid passports or permission to leave the country," Kaisth adds. "Those who are able to travel within Syria must navigate hostile checkpoints, and many students and scholars have reported horrific instances of targeted violence, kidnapping, and torture."
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    [QUOTE=SamwiseTheBrave;813371]I'm going to go ahead and post this article here (bold is mine). What the bloody hell is going on? It is ridiculous to believe that Syria is launching a space program in the middle of Civil War and global conflict for "scientific research" purposes. Hmmmm....

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    Why is Syria launching a space program during a civil war?
    [I][INDENT][INDENT][INDENT]This week, as the civil war in Syria entered its fourth year, the government of President Bashar al-Assad announced plans to create the country's first space agency. The state-run SANA news agency did not indicate what kind of projects the Syrian Space Agency will undertake, saying only that they will be "of a scientific and research nature," nor did it specify how much it would cost to start up. The goal, it said, is to use "space technology for exploration and observing the Earth."
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    Wouldn't it great if this is Keshe's "Space Agency?

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    Quote Posted by SamwiseTheBrave (here)
    I'm going to go ahead and post this article here (bold is mine). What the bloody hell is going on? It is ridiculous to believe that Syria is launching a space program in the middle of Civil War and global conflict for "scientific research" purposes. Hmmmm....

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    Why is Syria launching a space program during a civil war?
    This week, as the civil war in Syria entered its fourth year, the government of President Bashar al-Assad announced plans to create the country's first space agency. The state-run SANA news agency did not indicate what kind of projects the Syrian Space Agency will undertake, saying only that they will be "of a scientific and research nature," nor did it specify how much it would cost to start up. The goal, it said, is to use "space technology for exploration and observing the Earth."

    But there are doubts about the government's ability to launch a space program in the middle of a civil war that has ravaged Syria's economy and forced many of its best scientists to seek refuge in other countries. More than 140,000 people have been killed since unrest broke out between the Assad regime and various rebel groups in March 2011, and about 2.5 million have fled the country, according to estimates from the United Nations. Peace negotiations between the government and opposition groups ended in deadlock earlier this year, and the violence has shown no signs of letting up.

    "SYRIA'S INTEREST MAY BE PRACTICAL OR SYMBOLIC."

    The war has had a devastating effect on the Syrian economy, as well, eroding the value of the country's currency and shrinking its GDP by 40 percent, according to a UN report published last year. Many factories and other infrastructure have been destroyed or damaged, and oil revenue dramatically declined after rebels seized critical fields.

    This week's announcement may be an attempt by government leaders to quell fears over its limping economy; during the same cabinet session, the country's prime minister insisted that Syria's economic situation remains stable and that attempts to stabilize its currency were effective. But a strong economy isn't always a prerequisite for launching a space program. As the Washington Post notes, low-income countries like Nigeria and Ukraine have established space agencies, and emerging powers like China and India have invested heavily in space missions, as well. Not all programs shoot for the moon, either; only 12 out of the roughly 70 space agencies in the world have launch capabilities.

    "Syria's interest in a space agency may be practical or symbolic," says Mariel Borowitz, an assistant professor and space policy expert at Georgia Tech. She adds that the program could be used for a wide range of domestic purposes — including satellites for communication and disaster response — or could simply be "a source of prestige" for the country at a time of crisis. And even with Syria's ongoing economic problems, Borowitz notes that it wouldn't be expensive for the country to set up a very small agency, as countries like Ecuador and Portugal have.

    SYRIAN STUDENTS FACE "VIOLENCE, KIDNAPPING, AND TORTURE."

    Syria's proposed space agency would likely remain small, considering the country's evaporating academic community. Many universities have been destroyed over the course of the war, and professors and students have been either killed or forced to fight with the government or opposition groups. Countless others have fled to refugee camps in Jordan and other neighboring countries, often without the resources needed to continue their education. Human rights activists estimate that some 35,000 students have left the country since the war began.

    "Students and scholars are isolated in war-ridden cities or remote villages where schools and universities have been bombed, occupied by military and rebel forces and left as strategic targets of opposing sides of the conflict," says Daniela Kaisth, vice president of the nonprofit Institute of International Education (IIE). The New York-based IIE has in recent years been working to help relocate Syrian professors and researchers to other countries, away from the dangers they face at home.

    "Many of the students and scholars we hear from do not have valid passports or permission to leave the country," Kaisth adds. "Those who are able to travel within Syria must navigate hostile checkpoints, and many students and scholars have reported horrific instances of targeted violence, kidnapping, and torture."
    Perhaps try another interpretation ... Syria had plans to start a space agency some years ago and
    were heavily delayed by a foreign instigated civil war.

    What I suspect will happen in a couple of years is that one of those space agencies will attempt to
    travel to the moon or Mars, like Mars One have a manned flight to Mars in 2023. When this all turns
    out not feasible or catastrophic if they try this using the 'oversized firecrackers' method the USA has
    some difficult questions to answer what happened during the sixties and seventies ...
    One way or another I think that an enforced 'disclosure' is becoming inevitable in the years ahead.

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    Assad his hoping to finish his escape pod to be one of the first to join Iran's moon colony...

    Hezbollah is already up there setting up camp...

    speaking of which, don't forget, Lebanon is the step before Iran...

    20,000 rockets will be raining down on Israel if they attack Iran first...

    Net&yahoo is nuts to think differently...

    Iran will finish the agreement on nuclear energy long before Israel finishes cleaning up the neighborhood...

    now there is another way...

    everyone take a deep breath,

    the ones wanting to start this war, already have a foot in the grave, they won't even live long enough to see if their efforts made a difference...

    did the world just hop a timeline of terror, a false flag attack that would have killed billions?

    did flight MH370 get left on the other timeline when we hopped?

    can we abort the plans of these lunatics with our knowing it will never be?
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    This is a wonderful thread....

    Spent some time with my relatives...Zionists they are to a man....

    Talked about the newest "Endeavor" our gubbernment is in to....


    Does not Mr. Jones call it an information war?

    Now we have little fear that I saw on the evening news and huge fear upon the blogosphere...upon the internet....

    Well some here say that there is some parasite feeding upon our fears and war is a big one....for fear...

    Well some say its all about energy and when that energy runs out? A solution that they want to do....more energy if there are less people and of course for them only....

    Well I guess its everyman on to himself.....

    I wonder if there will be a war? But I simply think not....

    Well, I hope for the best....

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    Some crucial updates from this (broader) region:

    Ukraine: neonazism action sparking (where were they during the revolution ) (article)

    Netherlands: Extreme right movement PVV scores in local elections and subsequently asks its voters - while being filmed by public television - if they would like less Moroccans (and they all shout: yes, less) and that party leader is going to fix this for them. (article)

    Belgium: Local extreme right movement VB copies the Dutch event with minor modifications. (video + snippet (please run an auto-translate on it, many thanks))


    France: Extreme right Front National scores massively in first round of local elections. (article (auto-translate))

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    Quote Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)
    Assad his hoping to finish his escape pod to be one of the first to join Iran's moon colony...

    Hezbollah is already up there setting up camp...

    speaking of which, don't forget, Lebanon is the step before Iran...

    20,000 rockets will be raining down on Israel if they attack Iran first...

    Net&yahoo is nuts to think differently...

    Iran will finish the agreement on nuclear energy long before Israel finishes cleaning up the neighborhood...

    now there is another way...

    everyone take a deep breath,

    the ones wanting to start this war, already have a foot in the grave, they won't even live long enough to see if their efforts made a difference...

    did the world just hop a timeline of terror, a false flag attack that would have killed billions?

    did flight MH370 get left on the other timeline when we hopped?

    can we abort the plans of these lunatics with our knowing it will never be?
    We took it up notch when Fukushima hit- redirecting the jet-stream to avert an impending radiological disaster, damping earthquake signatures, relocating tectonic pressure points. Some of us focused on various pressure points in the Gaia spectrum, others moved into the etheric battle front, into position to engage and redirect the momentum of the dark cabal, we have gone on to altering chemtrails as they are dispersing, remapping our own biology, redirecting the momentum attaching itself to a variety of apocalyptic scenarios, re-imaging nation-state timelines-

    Avalon ground crew; we are just getting warmed up

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    @violet post #178
    I wouldn’t worry too much about the National Front in the French municipal elections. It is a party that people are ashamed to have anything to do with. It does well in elections because you can vote in secret. But they have a dire shortage of ‘suitable’ candidates, because you cannot stand for election without being totally unashamed, or for re-election without having done something right. We have already seen a few FN-run municipalities that have proved objectively to be disastrous. A few more such and people will finally understand it is simply not going to work.

    Such things are a mere distraction in comparison with the work of Vladimir Putin. Since Hillary Clinton is the one calling him the ‘new Hitler’, obviously he is not that – more like Hugo Chavez on steroids, at the head of what was and is rapidly rebecoming a superpower. He has had huge popular backing for years. So did Hitler for a while you may say: Flash’s video explains why this comparison is ludicrous. There is a world of difference between acting for the people, with the people acting as one through an individual, and a dictatorship manipulating popular feeling for its own nefarious agenda.

    The quote below is something I posted the other day on Jiminii’s private subforum. I am reposting it here for the benefit of non-subscribers. It looks at the longer-term historical picture of how positive things happen when political leaders are momentarily forced to take a back seat. What we have this time around is rather better. We have one world leader operating in this direction, so that things can be made to happen not only from the grassroots, but also, for once, from the top. But even if that were not so, and Putin were not himself a force for positive change, the positive change would happen anyway.

    Quote Hi Jim, it's always good to hear your news. This thread should be on the main forum. As I recall, Bill said this subforum would not last five minutes. It has lasted a lot longer than that, and I think its status deserves reviewing.

    The things you describe about World War 3 not happening are actually of course 'just' the later stages of a situation that has really been developing since the end of World War 2. Although the plan is claimed to have been from the outset to set Islam against Zionism, the struggle to avoid this war has taken different routes that have sometimes been partly sabotaged. That Albert Pike document seems to be a forgery as it contains various anachronisms. More likely, this plan was developed gradually as other ideas were thwarted, and back-dated to look as though everything was under control, which it never has been.

    For example, the European Coal and Steel Community, ancestor of the European Union, was founded back in 1951 primarily to foster Franco-German relations and thereby make yet another European war impossible – in which it was hugely successful. The very idea of a Franco-German conflict has become totally unthinkable, and that I think was not planned for. Another organization that has been much more effective than is sometimes recognized is the United Nations. Although rogue elements have used the UN to further their agenda, this alliance of nations has done a great deal of peace-keeping over the years, and the principle of this institution is certainly a good one that some would like to destroy along with peace itself among nations.

    So the logical goal of peaceful forces is one-world government. However the very idea has become anathema to many, because they see it in the distorted terms of government as it is currently practiced. I have a book from 1981 called The Final Decade: Will We Survive the 1980s? by Christopher Lee. In his conclusion, part of his cause for pessimism seems with thirty years hindsight as our cause for optimism:

    Quote Average Man, blessed as he is with a naïve common sense, might timidly suggest that, while he may not care for the Soviet system, that would seem little reason for a war. He might go further and use the centuries-old argument that he is sure that, if the politicians would step aside for one moment, both he and Vladimir could quite happily get along with each other. He is probably right. However the world has yet to throw up the leaders who are able to put these sentiments into practice.
    In those thirty years, ‘Vladimir’ has changed from being the Russian man in the street to the man in the Kremlin, so maybe the world has now thrown up the leaders who are able to put these sentiments into practice.

    I have another book, from 1995, called The War that Never Was: The Fall of the Soviet Empire 1985-1991, by David Pryce-Jones. In his introduction, the author sums up the peaceful collapse as follows:
    Quote Force and will had combined here on a scale without precedent. Right up to its deathbed, the Soviet Union was a superpower, with over 4 million men under arms, vast garrisons stationed from East Germany to the China frontier, a thousand warships in commission, and the largest and most lethal arsenal ever assembled, capable of destroying the globe many times over. In the crunch, such military might was none the less powerless to protect the ideological construct of communism, or even to deflect changes of historic magnitude – the sort of change normally resulting from war. Events in the Soviet Union from 1985 to 1991 amounted toThe War that Never Was.
    He talks of the ‘miracle’ of German reunification. He describes how Gorbachev wanted to make the Soviet system more efficient, only to destroy it, and how ‘those from President Bush downwards in a position to influence American politics and public opinion appear with hindsight to have been dragged uncomprehending in Gorbachev’s wake. Lack of active participation in the Soviet downfall had the one great merit of preventing the birth of legends of the stab-in-the-back variety, whereby communists could blame their own defects on the warmongering capitalists.’

    In other words, the politicians were forced to ‘step aside for one moment’, and that was enough to achieve the miracle and get the job done. No one in particular seems to have done anything in particular. This is how collective miracles work. What’s different today? It’s America’s turn, that’s all.


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