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    Default Re: Haemorrhagic fever / Ebola outbreaks have been reported - accident, natural or bio-weapon?

    So is this virus targeting African decent individuals, I noticed that a Red haired doctor from England was working in Africa on the Ebola patients - he gave an interview on the BBC news this Pm. Just makes me wonder how racist this virus is.

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    Why pay attention to the brincidofovir antiviral?

    "Why Everyone Has A Stake In The Chimerix Drug Offered To Josh Hardy" is how the Forbes news article starts. Pay attention to the mentions of infections, particularly cytomegalovirus.. connect those dots..

    Way back in March, this year, a young patient was dying - a little known biochemical company with a novel antiviral treatment said maybe it can help, their CMX001 product, also known as brincidofovir.. this company's product could be the first line of treatment, something in a very small oral dose, to control many viruses..

    Who would have thought, it doesn't take billions to save lives... Young Mr. Hardy is one of hundreds, if not thousands, of patients who might benefit from this drug.

    Here is a large extract from that article created by FORBES - it is a good read to track how this substance came into being, and how it was looked at as a bio-defence tool.

    Quote In the late 1990’s, Dr. Hostetler was approached by program officials from the Antiviral Branch of the National Institute on Allergy and Infectious Diseases for help in improving an antiviral drug called cidofovir.

    Cidofovir had been sold by Gilead Biosciences as an intravenously administered antiviral drug as Vistide® and was approved to treat cytomegalovirus infections of the eye, called CMV retinitis.

    The majority of the population is already infected with CMV but it only becomes a problem when the immune system is suppressed, such as in HIV/AIDS or with the immunosuppression regimen used for a hematopoietic bone marrow transplant.

    But cidofovir has activity against all five families of double-stranded DNA virus that cause human disease and death – including smallpox variola virus, herpesviruses, polyomaviruses, and adenovirus, the one currently afflicting young Joshua Hardy. (and now ebola)

    As part of our nation’s biodefense program, cidofovir emerged as one of the best drugs to use in the event of a terrorist attack with the now-eradicated smallpox, or variola virus (smallpox).

    But a drug that would need to be stockpiled and then quickly distributed requires some special characteristics. It should be active when taken orally as a pill or capsule, have few side effects, be stable under long storage conditions, and have effectiveness even in people who might have faulty immune systems.

    Among the problems with cidofovir is that 1) it couldn’t be given by mouth and had to be injected continuously to be effective and 2) it could damage the kidneys if not given under careful medical supervision and the use of other drugs. But it was the best choice we had at the time because it worked against many types of viruses that could be used as bioterrorism agents.

    Hostetler says that NIAID officials were aware of his previous work on making antiviral nucleoside drugs more orally bioavailable to the body. If he was willing to use some of his chemical know-how to make cidofovir a better agent against smallpox, they were willing to give his laboratory (ONLY) $100,000 to try.

    (not the hundreds of millions given to Teckmira, and the zMapp people)


    What’s the difference between cidofovir and CMX001?

    Dr. Hostetler is a medical doctor – a clinical endocrinologist by training – but was fortunate to have in his lab a “card-carrying” synthetic chemist named Jim Beadle. With Jim and others in the group, the Hostetler team put different lengths of fatty acids, or lipids, onto cidofovir. The idea was that the special nature of the lipid would be recognized by the intestine and other cells as normal, thereby tagging the drug for absorption into the bloodstream.

    The very first cidofovir relative that they made was CMX001 – the lipid attached to it resembled a natural one called lysophosphatidylcholine, or LPC. This makes CMX001 what’s called a prodrug of cidofovir: After sneaking into cells, the lipid would be clipped off and liberate cidofovir to stop viruses form reproducing in other cells.

    Well, the approach worked – the lipid attachment had two immediate benefits. First, it increased the antiviral effect by 40 to 400 times that of cidofovir. Second, oral CMX001 was taken up into the bloodstream of animals – and later, humans – more than 50 times better than cidofovir.

    But didn’t that just make CMX001 even more toxic than cidofovir to the kidney or our other cells?

    Hostetler noted that another advantage of adding this lipid was that it neutralized a chemical charge on the cidofovir molecule that caused the drug to concentrate in the kidney via a pump that we normally use to rid ourselves of certain acidic substances. Since CMX001 wasn’t used by this pump, it didn’t seem to concentrate in the kidney like cidofovir does. That’s a good thing.

    But researchers don’t fully understand why getting more of the drug into all of our cells doesn’t cause other problems for CMX001. The cidofovir that’s liberated from CMX001 gets activated by the cell to a form that can inhibit DNA synthesis. One might think that would attack any rapidly growing cell in the body, such as bone marrow cells. But earlier studies suggest that cidofovir is eight to 600 times better at inhibiting viral DNA polymerases – the enzymes that replicate the virus’s DNA – than the DNA polymerases of our human cells.


    So that’s one of the major reasons that CMX001 is still being investigated for its safety profile in FDA-required clinical studies. And that’s where people should still look cautiously at CMX001 in that it may not be “a miracle cure” for every patient.

    Columbia University virologist, Dr. Vincent Racaniello addressed these concerns in an email message today saying, “The original drug [cidofovir] is toxic because it inhibits cell DNA synthesis; since the modified compound more effectively gets into cells, it should be more toxic. However I understand it might have a better safety profile which would not be my initial prediction.”

    Hostetler also didn’t have a complete answer, although he noted that the lab and David Evans at Edmonton looked at how the drug gets incorporated into the virus’s DNA versus human DNA. Perhaps the viral DNA damage cannot be repaired as easily as the human DNA damage. We do know that cidofovir (in its activated, diphosphate form) does inhibit CMV’s viral DNA polymerase about eight times more effectively than human DNA polymerase alpha. I’m certain that researchers will have to come back to this question.

    What did Dr. Hostetler do with CMX001 next?

    Hostetler said that his institution, the University of California at San Diego, sponsored their patent application and attempted to outlicense the compound to 30 or so companies without success. Dr. Hostetler established Chimerix to continue developing this drug and other lipid-antiviral drug therapies.

    Dr. Hostetler also credits Dr. Earl Kern, a now retired professor from the University of Alabama at Birmingham, for doing many of the first animal experiments with this and other related compounds. Dr. Kern was supported by NIAID to run their Collaborative Antiviral Drug Testing Program.

    Kern’s lab also discovered the antiviral activity of CMX001 against adenovirus.

    Other major collaborators were Dr. Mark Buller at the Saint Louis University Health Sciences Center and Dr. John Huggins at USAMRIID.


    While CMX001 has been Chimerix’s baby up through this day, Chimerix granted a worldwide license to Merck for CMX157, the anti-HIV drug tenofovir conjugated to the same lipid used on CMX001.

    So why isn’t CMX001 already approved by the FDA?

    Well, so far, it’s only been fully tested up to a Phase 2 trial for safety and effectiveness in patients with CMV infections. The results of that study were published in the New England Journal of Medicine in September, 2013.

    And across all clinical work with the drug, just over 900 people have ever received it.

    In the NEJM study, 230 bone marrow transplant patients were randomized to a placebo group or one of five different CMX001 dose groups. The drug significantly reduced CMV events at one of the dose levels and prevented the virus from making its DNA at several of the dose levels. The dose-limiting toxicity was diarrhea that was believed due to gastrointestinal graft-versus-host-disease and could be managed by reducing the dose.

    But – here’s where drug regulators and drug company investigators worry most – these patients are already seriously ill. Eight percent of the patients in the placebo group did not survive (5 of 59). And in all but one of the CMX001 groups, eight to 13 percent of the patients did not survive despite the positive outcomes in many of the others.

    Subsequent studies by Chimerix have been reported at clinical research meetings but not yet published. A February 28, 2014 press release describes their presentations on trials of CMX001 in pediatric and adult immunocompromised patients with asymptomatic adenovirus infections and another on overall safety in pediatric populations.

    The work from the New England Journal of Medicine paper has now fueled a 40-center, Phase 3 trial, called SUPPRESS, in which prevention of CMV infections in 450 hematopoietic cell transplant patients will be studied. The company states, “Data from SUPPRESS are anticipated in mid-2015 and, if positive, may support Accelerated Approval of brincidofovir for the prevention of CMV infection.”


    So, what’s the harm of making CMX001 available to Joshua Hardy?

    We know less about its effectiveness against adenovirus than CMV. But the trial Chimerix is now doing is to assess precisely that: It’s an open-label study of 20 patients with adenoviral infection. No placebo group. We will certainly learn more about treating adenovirus because of the determination of the Hardy family and the cooperation of the FDA with Chimerix.

    As a parent of a child slightly older than Josh, my stomach churns to even think about the possibilities with such a seriously ill boy.

    * * *

    But will the outcome of his specific case influence how the public views this drug and, ultimately, regulatory review committees deciding on its approval for larger populations?

    In a presentation Chimerix officials made at a JP Morgan conference in January, they noted that the initial market for brincidofovir would be for patients with either hematopoietic cell transplants or solid organ transplants. In the US, that’s a total of 50,000 people per year, plus another 55,000 patients in the European Union.

    On one hand, you could argue that the company wants to be careful with CMX001 to make sure it gets to that market. More altruistically, one could also fear that a high-profile treatment failure with CMX001 might compromise the ultimate accessibility of the drug to these 105,000 future patients, annually.

    But I’m thinking that the stakes riding on CMX001 are even greater.


    Remember long back to the beginning of this piece: The original reason that CMX001 was developed was as a potential bioterrorism agent that could be stockpiled and widely-distributed in the event of a worst case scenario.

    While some might not think about the gravity of such a scenario today, put yourself back in the mindset immediately following the 2001 U.S. terrorist attacks.

    If you’re of the scientific mind that CMX001 might be essential for national security, public perception of its safety and efficacy might transcend that of any of the most gripping and heart-wrenching personal stories.
    Quote "A small biotechnology company agreed yesterday to provide their experimental, antiviral drug for the treatment of a seven-year-old Virginia boy, Joshua Hardy, who is currently suffering from a life-threatening adenovirus infection acquired during his cancer treatment at St. Jude Children’s Hospital.

    "The company, North Carolina-based Chimerix, had originally declined a request by the Hardy family to provide the drug, known as CMX001 or brincidofovir, under the “compassionate use” provision for unapproved drugs.

    "In the program known more correctly as “expanded access to investigational drugs outside of a clinical trial,” the FDA permits companies on a case-by-case basis to offer an investigational drug to individuals who have an immediately life-threatening condition where no other therapy currently exists.

    "Up until two years ago, the company had such a formal program. But the number of requests received – and filled – were understandably compromising the rate at which normal company operations could proceed to meet FDA requirements for the drug’s continued testing and approval. Unlike large, international biopharmaceutical companies, Chimerix has fewer than 50 employees."
    And that is the story behind this new anti-viral (which is not so new but simply NOT being talked about for obvious bioweapons reasons..)

    This company has been paying attention as has the rest of the informed medical community concerned about bioweapons. Are they these viruses real? Lots of people in the viral field feel the viral diseases are real and have bioweapons capability; to the point of committing substantial resources to develop effective drugs that can stop these viruses, fast and safely with minimal dosing, and able to be given in the field (not requiring hospitalization).. those qualifications are ideal for an army fighting a bio-war. IT is even more useful for humanitarian solutions to many viral infections worldwide, from Measles to now Ebola.

    These substance need to be used, fast, and there is so much data being derived.. And in this case, the substance is readily manufactured, at low cost.

    (Source)

    cytomegalovirus - Cytomegalovirus is a viral genus of the viral family known as Herpesviridae or herpesviruses - it has been documented as a virus present during cancers and tends to affect middle aged people at times (New England Journal of Medicine).

    CMV is related to the viruses that cause chickenpox and infectious mononucleosis (mono). It could also be one of the "smoking guns" with people who develop cancers, during a period of immunity compromise (numerous viruses make a point of creating immunity attack) - possibly it happens from a combination of a virus (generally of the herpes type), a fungus and a bacteria - Cytomegalovirus (CMV) DNA and proteins are expressed in several types of human cancers and metastases but not in healthy surrounding tissues, suggesting a possible role for the virus in the cancer.

    CMV acute Symptoms
    • Enlarged lymph nodes, especially in the neck
    • Fever
    • Fatigue
    • Loss of appetite
    • Malaise
    • Muscle aches
    • Rash
    • Sore throat

    Less common symptoms include:
    • Chest pain
    • Cough
    • Headache
    • Hives
    • Irregular heart beat
    • Jaundice
    • Neck stiffness
    • Rapid heart rate
    • Sensitivity to light
    • Shortness of breath
    • Swollen spleen and liver

    sound familiar?

    The weakness, extreme tiredness can linger up to 3 months after apparent "recovery". Sound familiar?

    Possible Complications
    • Throat infection is the most common complication. Rare complications include:
    • Colitis
    • Guillain-Barré syndrome
    • Neurologic complications
    • Pericarditis or myocarditis
    • Pneumonia
    • Rupture of spleen

    Are folks having the 'symptoms' listed above experiencing CMV? sure seems such could be looked at more closely.

    AND again then, as the opening statement said, this substance could be a solution to a LOT of viral maladies people are experiencing.. if it can put a serious crimp in the virus spread in Hemorrhagic Fevers, we have a blessing here, needing more review. And fast.
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    Default Re: Haemorrhagic fever / Ebola outbreaks have been reported - accident, natural or bio-weapon?

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    So is this virus targeting African decent individuals, I noticed that a Red haired doctor from England was working in Africa on the Ebola patients - he gave an interview on the BBC news this Pm. Just makes me wonder how racist this virus is.
    Interesting really, one of the earlier posts mentioned that with Sickle Cell anemia, that the infection in Malaria has a harder time dealing with those who have the sickle cell phenomenon. Some can call that a "defect", Sickle cell anemia... but it could have come from a natural form of survival, those surviving the malaria have the gene issue... it was noted that malaria effects more strongly those cells which don't have the sickle cell issue..

    I haven't yet done a study to see survivor statistics, who has naturally survived, what the gene structure is like. As historical reports have said these viral diseases (some of their own DNA) are somewhat incorporated into the DNA of primates, (as "junk gene codes"), does that lead to a preponderance for greater susceptibility (those with the virus dna in their genes are a target), or is it just the opposite? This is part of why studying viruses and how they have helped transform life on the planet is interesting..

    ref: malaria and sickle cell anemia - LINK HERE - http://microbewiki.kenyon.edu/index....kle_Cell_Trait

    "Sickle cell trait has been observed in regions where malaria is common for over 50 years and has since become renowned for its perplexing ability to protect its carrier from malaria. More recently, researchers have began to make progress on understanding the mechanisms that create resistance to this lethal infection."

    "Malaria is caused by parasites of the genus Plasmodium. The anopheles mosquito transmits the disease through its saliva, but it must have first received the Plasmodium parasite from an infected human from which it took blood. Malaria can be transmitted without anopheles mosquitoes if blood is somehow transported from an infected human to someone else. Some possible methods of transmission include, but are not limited to, blood transfusions, organ transplants, sharing needles, and from mother to child during pregnancy."

    references - genome, viruses - feeds -

    http://www.virology.ws/tag/genome/feed/

    http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/...l.pgen.1001191

    "Our findings establish that genetic material derived from all known viral genome types and replication strategies can enter the animal germ line, greatly broadening the scope of paleovirological studies and indicating a more significant evolutionary role for gene flow from virus to animal genomes than has previously been recognized."
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    Default Re: Haemorrhagic fever / Ebola outbreaks have been reported - accident, natural or bio-weapon?

    No Travel Ban in Israel (yet) to and from the West African Countries

    Jerusalem Post reporting - (Source)

    Concern about the Ebola virus is REAL in Israel.. Israel considers the outbreak real and is paying attention.

    "Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu convened an interministerial meeting on the issue in his Jerusalem office on Monday where it was decided to increase efforts to locate people entering Israel from three African countries hit hard by the disease: Liberia, Guinea and Sierra Leone.

    "The Foreign Ministry and the Health Ministry have warned about the health risks involved in traveling to those countries and advised them to avoid travel there.

    "Health Minister Yael German, Transportation Minister Israel Katz, Deputy Interior Minister Faina Kirschenbaum and representatives from the Foreign Ministry, the Israel Police and the Airports Authority took part in the meeting aimed to discuss Israel’s preparedness in dealing with the virus.

    "Foreign Ministry Director- General Nissim Ben-Shetrit briefed the meeting on Israel’s recent decision to send three mobile emergency clinics to the region hit by the epidemic to help fight its spread."

    Meanwhile, US federal officials and airlines are discussing whether airports should screen passengers to identify people who might have Ebola, but the White House on Monday said a ban on travel from West African countries would slow the fight against the virus.

    (This is odd the behaviour to not perform INCOMING travel scrutiny.. No problem with OUTGOING to transport supplies to the West African countries, but the doublespeak SPIN from the US health agencies, saying a travel ban would hinder outgoing supplies is perplexing.. Numerous Congress people have said as well as numerous people in surveys, that an INCOMING travel ban makes sense, or in the minimum very close screening as has South Africa established)..


    US Response
    “What we’re looking to do is review these screening measures,” White House spokesman Josh Earnest told reporters at a daily briefing.

    But officials did not want to impede transport systems used to send supplies and personnel to West Africa to fight Ebola, he said.

    (An INCOMING ban would not hinder or impede transport.... GETTING CLEARANCE, such as done in any quarantine is commonplace. NOBODY allows animals to be imported for instance when there is an infection in the herd.. TO allow IMPORTING of humans potentially infected is mind boggling.. why the attitude.. No problem EXPORTING supplies obviously, but WHY NOT many officials in Congress have said, WHY NOT scrutinize close those coming in from an area with a lethal infection??)


    Airlines for America, a trade group for the airline industry, separately said it would meet health and safety officials later Monday to discuss whether additional screenings could improve on measures already in place.

    People leaving Ebola-affected countries are asked to fill out a questionnaire on whether they have symptoms such as a high fever and whether or not they have had any contact with someone who was diagnosed with Ebola.

    (as evidenced by Thomas Duncan the patient in Dallas, falsifying that document happens. It is JOKE to assume that reporting will be accurate, or that the potential traveler has not taken a fever reducing drug prior to getting to the airport.. It has been reported Ibuprofen a common fever reducer will reduce the obvious symptoms.. thereby defeating temperature screening)

    In Liberia, at least, they are scanned for fever. (hmmmmm)

    US authorities and the public are on alert following the first diagnosis of Ebola in the country just over a week ago, raising concerns that the worst Ebola epidemic on record could spread from West Africa.

    Liberian traveler Thomas Eric Duncan is fighting for his life in a Dallas hospital, which initially sent him away with antibiotics, only to have him return two days later in an ambulance.

    Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital said in a statement that Duncan remains in critical condition “and is now receiving an investigational medication, brincidofovir, for Ebola Virus Disease.”

    Brincidofovir was developed by Chimerix Inc.

    American authorities say they are confident the disease can be contained in the country, while steps are being taken to ramp up the response to Ebola at its source in West Africa.

    The head of the Texas team, Dr. Brett Giroir, said: “We live in an interconnected world, where an outbreak anywhere is a risk everywhere.”

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    PS - I do want to thank Main Stream Media (MSM) for paying attention to this thread. Even though I am not a reporter working for some network, I am doing my best to find accurate data from the myriad of reports traveling across the Internet... Many datum are laced with "conspiracy" flavored information - many data reveal some agenda in the reporting. Some though are extremely objective and accurate with minimal bias. I thank you for providing objectivity.

    I am trying my best to find objectivity for all of us. This is a complicated subject, and goes deep into bioweapons programs established in the '60s. You have seen me repeatedly try to connect the dots, where have these various outbreaks originated - simply an infection caught from a natural vector harboring the viruses? (i.e. bats for instance)... Some have suggested possibly the virus can be harboured in canines.. (see the news reports about a dog in Spain being put down because of a potential to spread the virus Ebola...)..

    I commend you folks very much for paying attention to Project Avalon. We are trying, may of us to maintain a high signal to noise ratio.. I am trying here in this thread and others to get us the best data, filtered as much as possible from a scientific and a common sense approach.

    I appreciate you very much using the quotes and data from this thread in your news reports. I think it is helping with a fresh perspective, of objectivity and common sense, devoid of emotional sensationalism..

    Very well done - thank you..

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    Thank you david.willman@latimes.com for paying attention to the issues at hand. Again, highly objective and seeing the FACTS behind what is happening with the Ebola situation..

    from your article in LA Times - here are some relevant quotes.. The readers are offered the opportunity to go to the page for the rest of the details. Thank you David.

    (See Source)

    "Peters, whose CDC team studied cases from 27 households that emerged during a 1995 Ebola outbreak in Democratic Republic of Congo, said that while most could be attributed to contact with infected late-stage patients or their bodily fluids, "some" infections may have occurred via "aerosol transmission."

    "Skinner of the CDC, who cited the Peters-led study as the most extensive of Ebola's transmissibility, said that while the evidence "is really overwhelming" that people are most at risk when they touch either those who are sick or such a person's vomit, blood or diarrhea, "we can never say never" about spread through close-range coughing or sneezing.

    "I'm not going to sit here and say that if a person who is highly viremic … were to sneeze or cough right in the face of somebody who wasn't protected, that we wouldn't have a transmission," Skinner said."

    "Individuals who have flown recently from one or more of the affected countries suggested that travelers could easily subvert the screening procedures — and might have incentive to do so: Compared with the depleted medical resources in the West African countries of Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea, the prospect of hospital care in the U.S. may offer an Ebola-exposed person the only chance to survive.

    U.S. To Increase Airport Screening For Ebola

    "The deteriorating conditions in Africa make it more likely additional cases of Ebola will appear in the United States and officials are pushing for increased screenings at airports.

    "A person could pass body temperature checks performed at the airports by taking ibuprofen or any common analgesic. And prospective passengers have much to fear from identifying themselves as sick, said Kim Beer, a resident of Freetown, the capital of Sierra Leone, who is working to get medical supplies into the country to cope with Ebola.

    "It is highly unlikely that someone would acknowledge having a fever, or simply feeling unwell," Beer said via email. "Not only will they probably not get on the flight — they may even be taken to/required to go to a 'holding facility' where they would have to stay for days until it is confirmed that it is not caused by Ebola. That is just about the last place one would want to go."

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    Spain is err'ing on the cautious side at this point..

    WHY? if there is nothing to see here, why are they taking ANY precautions?

    Why indeed..


    "Four hospitalized in Spain after first Ebola transmission outside Africa" is how the article starts (Source)

    "(Reuters) - Four people have been hospitalized in Spain to try to stem the spread of Ebola after a Spanish nurse became the first person in the world known to have contracted the virus outside of Africa, health authorities said on Tuesday.

    "The nurse, who tested positive for the virus on Monday, her husband, who is showing no symptoms of the disease, and two other people are being closely monitored in hospital, health officials told a news conference in Madrid."

    In addition, the family's dog is to be killed as a precaution. (there has been a worry that canines, who have been digging up buried bodies in West Africa could possibly be carriers of the Filovirus, there is an earlier post in this thread that points out that concern)

    "One of those hospitalized is a health worker who has diarrhea but no fever. The other is a Spaniard who traveled from Nigeria, said Rafael Perez-Santamaria, head of the Carlos III Hospital where the infected nurse treated two Spanish missionaries who contracted the disease in Africa.

    "With concerns growing around the world of the Ebola pandemic spreading beyond West Africa, the Spanish officials sought to reassure the public that they were tackling the threat."

    "This has taken us by surprise," said Perez-Santamaria. "We are revising our protocols, improving them."

    "A spokesman for the European Commission said the case would be discussed at an EU Health Security Committee meeting on Wednesday.

    "The priority remains to find out what actually happened," he said.

    "Jonathan Ball, a professor of molecular virology at Britain's University of Nottingham, said the nurse should not have contracted the deadly disease if appropriate containment and control measures had been taken.

    "It will be crucial to find out what went wrong in this case so necessary measures can be taken to ensure it doesn't happen again," he told Reuters."

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    As we all heard ebola arrived to US and this is what working for MSM people really think about it and what are their concerns.

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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    On Steve Quayle's 'Alerts' section, here:
    http://stevequayle.com/index.php?s=33&d=1139
    (The 'Alert' is intelligently well-written, but no sources are given)



    Below is a list of countries that have confirmed cases of Ebola:
    • Every country in Africa
    • Spain
    • Italy
    • France
    • Germany
    • Poland
    • Greece
    • Turkey
    • Saudi Arabia
    • Yemen
    • Oman
    • Iran
    • Kuwait
    • Vietnam
    • Myanmar
    • India
    • Indonesia
    • Australia
    • China
    • Brazil
    • Venezuela
    • Mexico
    • United States
    • Canada
    What you’re seeing here is the initial global footprint of the Ebola virus. It is most likely that each one of the above countries has more than one case; and, they are struggling to maintain the public’s confidence. We should see a second global wave of Ebola cases following a brief incubation period.

    The secondary global outbreak will be under-reported, as well. Around the end of October/beginning of November, during the tertiary wave, it will become apparent this is a global pandemic that has spiraled completely out of control.

    At this point, economies will start to falter, airline travel will decline rapidly, and governments around the world will blame each other for lack of truthfulness.

    One may appropriately expect the spread of Ebola through the international community to look like the spread of Enterovirus-68 in the United States:
    1. Initial outbreaks played down and under-reported.
    2. Initial reporting suggests the government and health agencies are responding appropriately.
    3. Spread has reached several states.
    4. Number infected suggests it is completely out of control.
    5. Confirmation that it is completely out of control.
    6. Increase in morbidity and mortality.
    7. Public panic ensues.
    It is possible the spread of Ebola will burn through the population like the flu — both have similar infection mechanisms and life expectancies in the external environment. Let’s pray this assessment is completely wrong!
    I'm copying this post in to the prediction thread.....

    Considering what we all have witness thus far pertaining to this outbreak, this "assessment and or prediction" for the most part can not be ignored and is a common sense, logical, and reasonable "likely outcome".

    Everything thus far points in this direction and is unfolding right before our very eyes.....
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    Quote Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
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    It is possible the spread of Ebola will burn through the population like the flu — both have similar infection mechanisms and life expectancies in the external environment. Let’s pray this assessment is completely wrong![/INDENT][/INDENT][/INDENT][/INDENT]
    I'm copying this post in to the prediction thread.....

    Considering what we all have witness thus far pertaining to this outbreak, this "assessment and or prediction" for the most part can not be ignored and is a common sense, logical, and reasonable "likely outcome".

    Everything thus far points in this direction and is unfolding right before our very eyes.....
    Contamination vector is not airborne, unless that changes this will not rapidly spread to large numbers.

    I'd like to see some evidence that the above list is accurate. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ebola_outbreaks lists 8 countries)

    Let me repeat this VERY VERY important fact:

    THE CONTAMINATION VECTOR IS NOT AIRBORNE................ NOT AIRBORNE.

    Person-to-person transmission occurs via close personal contact with an infected individual or their body fluids during the late stages of infection or after death Footnote 1 Footnote 2 Footnote 22 Footnote 42. Nosocomial infections can occur through contact with infected body fluids for example due to the reuse of unsterilized syringes, needles, or other medical equipment contaminated with these fluids Footnote 1 Footnote 2. Humans may be infected by handling sick or dead non-human primates and are also at risk when handling the bodies of deceased humans in preparation for funerals
    http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/lab-bio/r.../ebola-eng.php

    U.S. Centers for Disease Control says there is “no epidemiologic evidence of Ebola virus transmission via either the environment or (surfaces) that could become contaminated during patient care.”



    Let me know when the number of infected crosses 30,000 in one country, then I'll start to worry.

    Quote Posted by Rollo (here)
    As we all heard ebola arrived to US and this is what working for MSM people really think about it and what are their concerns.

    People from the press are just as susceptible to their own fear campaigns as the rest of the non-critical thinking population... Probably more so since they are the "mouth" of the machine...

    (BTW, sounded a LOT like sarcasm in every statement I heard... aka "black humor" ... )
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    Well, well, well... what do you know...

    Rockefeller Foundation's own predictive scenario of what "could" happen:



    ... and a PDF of said document: http://www.rockefellerfoundation.org...eb007cc719.pdf

    ... with CDC chiming in and on:

    CDC planning new travel-related measures to fight Ebola

    Oct. 7, 2014 3:50pm Pete Kasperowicz

    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Tuesday it will soon announce new travel-related recommendations aimed at stopping the spread of Ebola in the United States, and indicated the new measures would be announced later this week.

    CDC Director Tom Frieden didn’t say whether the new recommendations would include a ban on flights from the three West African countries that have suffered an Ebola outbreak. But he did say the steps are related to travel, and said he knows many Americans are worried about how international travel could contribute to an outbreak in the United States.


    Director of Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Dr. Tom Frieden said Tuesday that new recommendations to fight the spread of Ebola will soon be made, possibly this week. (AP Photo/John Bazemore)

    “As the president said yesterday, we’re looking hard at what we can do to further increase the safety of Americans, and in the coming days, we will announce further measures that will be taken,” Frieden said.

    Aside from a travel ban, the steps could include enhanced screening of passengers coming to the United States, and efforts to improve the tracking of passengers who might be trying to come to the United States indirectly.

    Etc...


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    I am not worried, I am keeping myself informed, I will make my life decisions more prudently because I am informed. I will prepare for the worst case scenario when I feel it is time to do so, not because some ill informed person tells me I am being politically manipulated to cause fear and panic - I say stay informed, quietly prepare and there will be no need for panic.

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    zzzzzzz...Sars...zzzzzzz....mad cow...zzzzzz.....west nile.....bird flu..zzzzzz......swine flu.......ebola...(waking up with drool running down my chin: "huh, what happened again?")

    I'm about as worried about this as I am a hang nail. None of this crap ever materializes. When are we gonna learn???

    Step up your garlic or Echinacea routine. Wash your hands frequently. Don't take a spontaneous trip to Africa. And stop worrying. Christ, what's the point?

    This will soon die down and be forgotten, just like all the others. Meanwhile, the usual suspects will benefit: the media, drug companies, the FDA or the WHO or whatever other institution that wants to create a climate of false fear.

    Wake me when it's over..zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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    Yeah, they took off the data because it was an error, not to cover it up... seriously AIDS is not airborne, neither is Ebola.

    if this has changed and is being covered up, well there would be a LARGE outbreak not ~8,000 infected WORLD WIDE.

    I guess keep an eye on it, if it's airborne we will see an explosion of infection; since it never has been airborne (and probably still not airborne) I'm not too concerned, if it were airborne West africa would be exhibiting so many more cases....
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    Mr. Duncan the ebola patient in Dallas has died this morning shortly before 8 local time.

    update: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post885985

    Yesterday the hospital was reporting:
    • blood pressure going back to normal ranges
    • temperature - normal
    • liver function improving

    This level of "recovery" was noted with Marburg patients as described by one of the program leaders who helped to create Soviet bioweapons, (of which Ebola-Zaire later was worked on as a weaponized variant). (source earlier posts/reports in this thread and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_...eapons_program - the doctor who accidentally needle stuck himself when a lab animal jumped (about to be given a lethal dose of the bioweapon), died a rather gruesome death, but the Soviet's managing supervisors looked at his death as a "breakthrough", because the virus now, was sufficiently amplified having been through the body, but continued to DEFEAT the anti-bodies.. When that happens, this process is called "amplification". It is similar to creating mutations.. So the Soviets in the bioweapons program were elated - a new tool to potentially assault anyone that gets in their way..

    So at this point what will happen no doubt is an autopsy and plenty of blood samples, tissue samples will go to CDC, probably NIH to "study" the effects, damage level, recovery level. Mr. Duncan's remains would then become a tool for the bio-med people to understand more about how to use a virus as a weapon, how to try to map prognosis (if possible), predicting when the person will die based on certain levels of organ failure.

    About "treatment" - Mr. Duncan should have been started on the medicine WHILE he was just starting to present symptoms. Waiting a week in this virus is generally a death sentence as reported by a doctor in Liberia, using drug treatments.. Get there before the organ damage goes beyond the level no return and the patient may recover..

    Also reported in Mr. Duncan's case were secondary infections. Without seeing his chart, and nobody outside the system will ever see that, it is a guess based on reports of other patients' recovery or lack of it. It is understood that Ebola and other Hemorrhagic Fevers will damage the immune system. Mr. Duncan was given some sort of antibiotic, which he may or may not have taken early on, which not having completed the 10 day regimen could have contributed to building up a bacterial over-growth, which would not necessarily then been treated properly.

    The Hospital in Dallas is not a hospital that is used in the US as a model pathogenic disease treatment facility, as is the Hospital in Nebraska, The Nebraska Medical Center in Omaha where other Ebola Patients have been successfully treated.

    Overall, it seems clear, when he was booted out of the ER prior to the ambulance finally bringing him back, that his days were numbered, as to how he was going to be treated (or not)..
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    Mr. Duncan the ebola patient in Dallas has died this morning shortly before 8 local time.
    The MSM is surely taking their time to report this development.
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    hmmm,
    Ebola popped up out of nowhere and started killing Africans over 2 decades ago. I hardly could get anyone to talk about it because it wasn’t directly affecting them…now years later the world wants to start showing some concern, well it's about time.
    I’ve heard/read the word Ebola more times in the last week than I’ve heard in the last 20 years. Better late than never I suppose…too bad we have this tendency to ignore/neglect these things until they start showing up at our front doors. This was inevitable, what follows next will be too...if we continue to avoid our humane responsibilities.

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    Mr. Duncan the ebola patient in Dallas has died this morning shortly before 8 local time.
    The MSM is surely taking their time to report this development.
    Hard telling there Jim; hospitals these days, especially big ones, have to check with their legal department, and the next of kin about releasing any statement. A two hour lag isn't out of line with the way those institutions work. I would be more concerned about how the "community" is going to respond. Rev. Jesse Jackson has made statements yesterday, and I would assume he will make more statements today.. Mr. Duncan's relatives and friends will make statements, and those under house quarantine obviously still are under risk, as the rest of the people involved with his transport are being looked at. Either way, this saga isn't over in Dallas.

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    Mr. Duncan the ebola patient in Dallas has died this morning shortly before 8 local time.
    The MSM is surely taking their time to report this development.
    Hard telling there Jim; hospitals these days, especially big ones, have to check with their legal department, and the next of kin about releasing any statement. A two hour lag isn't out of line with the way those institutions work. I would be more concerned about how the "community" is going to respond. Rev. Jesse Jackson has made statements yesterday, and I would assume he will make more statements today.. Mr. Duncan's relatives and friends will make statements, and those under house quarantine obviously still are under risk, as the rest of the people involved with his transport are being looked at. Either way, this saga isn't over in Dallas.
    It's just now popping up everywhere on news sites that he has died....
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    And they keep dying, in the streets, in homes, some people being taken to homes from the streets, and left there to die alone without any care..

    "Sierra Leone burial teams have gone back to work one day after organizing a strike over pay and abandoning the dead bodies of Ebola victims in the capital.

    "In neighboring Liberia, however, health workers said Wednesday they planned to strike if their demands for more money and safety equipment were not met by the end of the week.

    "The expressions of frustration by beleaguered West African health workers came as Spanish officials investigated whether a nursing assistant infected with Ebola got the deadly disease by touching her face with tainted protective gloves. The case of Teresa Romero is the first known incident of someone contracting the disease outside the West African outbreak zone.

    "The Sierra Leone Broadcasting Corporation reported this week that bodies of Ebola victims were being left in homes and on the streets of Freetown because of the strike by burial teams. The dead bodies of Ebola victims are highly contagious.

    "But in a radio interview Wednesday morning, Sierra Leone's deputy health minister Madina Rahman said the strike had been "resolved." Later in the day, a team could be seen loading bodies outside a government hospital for burial in the west of Freetown. The team's leader declined to be interviewed but said members had been promised hazard pay by the end of the day.

    "Rahman said the dispute centered on a one-week backlog for hazard pay that had been deposited in the bank but was not given to burial teams on time.

    "The health ministry is going to investigate the delay in the health workers not receiving their money," Rahman said.

    "The burial teams make up a total of 600 workers organized in groups of 12, health ministry spokesman Sidie Yahya Tunis said."

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