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    Quote Posted by panopticon (here)
    [T]he Pakistan Today article is a satire. It is based on a number of pronouncements that the CII have made over the last year which have been anti-women in nature. However, to the best of my knowledge, at no stage have the CII ever said that women are 'a perpetual enemy of Islam'. This and other elements of the Pakistan Today article are satire.

    The article is written in a column called 'Khabaristan Today' (sometimes author of column feed here). In the article the author quotes the 'Khabaristan Times' which would appear to be a "nod and a wink" to a local reader of their copy. The remainder of my response (above) to the OP is accurate and pertains to the present situation in Pakistan as well as the CII and Sindh Assembly.
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    Council of Islamic Ideology declares women’s existence anti-Islamic
    Columns CommentMARCH 15, 2014 BY KHABARISTAN TODAY
    Islamabad - Sharia Correspondent:


    IRAQUE WOMEN PROTESTING THE LAW






    The Council of Islamic Ideology (CII) concluded their 192nd meeting on Thursday with the ruling that women are un-Islamic and that their mere existence contradicted Sharia and the will of Allah.

    As the meeting concluded CII Chairman Maulana Muhammad Khan Shirani noted that women by existing defied the laws of nature, and to protect Islam and the Sharia women should be forced to stop existing as soon as possible.

    The announcement comes a couple of days after CII’s 191st meeting where they dubbed laws related to minimum marriage age to be un-Islamic.

    After declaring women to be un-Islamic, Shirani explained that there were actually two kinds of women – haraam and makrooh. “We can divide all women in the world into two distinct categories: those who are haraam and those who are makrooh. Now the difference between haraam and makrooh is that the former is categorically forbidden while the latter is really really disliked,” Shirani said.

    He further went on to explain how the women around the world can ensure that they get promoted to being makrooh, from just being downright haraam.

    “Any woman that exercises her will is haraam, absolutely haraam, and is conspiring against Islam and the Ummah, whereas those women who are totally subservient can reach the status of being makrooh.

    Such is the generosity of our ideology and such is the endeavour of Muslim men like us who are the true torchbearers of gender equality,” the CII chairman added.

    Officials told Khabaristan Today that the council members deliberated over various historic references related to women and concluded that each woman is a source of fitna and a perpetual enemy of Islam. They also decided that by restricting them to their subordinate, bordering on slave status, the momineen and the mujahideen can ensure that Islam continues to be the religion of peace, prosperity and gender equality.

    Responding to a question one of the officials said that international standards of gender equality should not be used if they contradict Islam or the constitution of Pakistan that had incorporated Islam and had given sovereignty to Allah. “We don’t believe in western ideals, and nothing that contradicts Islam should ever be paid heed. In any case by giving women the higher status of being makrooh, it’s us Muslims who have paved the way for true, Sharia compliant feminism,” the official said.

    The CII meeting also advised the government that to protect Islam women’s right to breathe should also be taken away from them. “Whether a woman is allowed to breathe or not be left up to her husband or male guardian, and no woman under any circumstance whatsoever should be allowed to decide whether she can breathe or not,” Shirani said.


    http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2014...-anti-islamic/


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    Muslim girls being lead off in chains to meet their new husbands. The leading experts in Islamic Law met recently at the 191st meeting of the Council of Islamic Ideology and declared as un-Islamic any laws attempting to establish a minimum age for girls to be married.

    At the 192nd meeting the Council of Islamic Ideology went further and declared that women are un-Islamic and that their mere existence contradicted Sharia and the will of Allah. "Women by existing defied the laws of nature, and to protect Islam and the Sharia women should be forced to stop existing as soon as possible." Women who express their own will (most especially non-Muslim women) will be the first targeted for extermination.

    http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2014...e-anti-islamic

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    Default Re: Council of Islamic Ideology declares women’s existence anti-Islamic (satire)

    Time to acknowledge the gay rights of all nations ?

    Do they have test tube reproduction off to perfection then?

    Or do they wish to exterminate their own people.

    How embarrassed must thinking man be in that country.

    I forgot- no thinking men there- they all left a long time ago.

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    God help anyone who agrees with that ridiculous nonsense.
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    Quote As the meeting concluded CII Chairman Maulana Muhammad Khan Shirani noted that women by existing defied the laws of nature, and to protect Islam and the Sharia women should be forced to stop existing as soon as possible.
    This is like saying we should stop wind from blowing because it is interfering with our hair style.
    Anyway it's not for the Islamic group, Baptist group or any other religious group to deem other groups unwanted.

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    Council of Islamic Ideology declares women’s existence anti-Islamic
    Columns CommentMARCH 15, 2014 BY KHABARISTAN TODAY
    Islamabad - Sharia Correspondent:


    IRAQUE WOMEN PROTESTING THE LAW






    The Council of Islamic Ideology (CII) concluded their 192nd meeting on Thursday with the ruling that women are un-Islamic and that their mere existence contradicted Sharia and the will of Allah.

    As the meeting concluded CII Chairman Maulana Muhammad Khan Shirani noted that women by existing defied the laws of nature, and to protect Islam and the Sharia women should be forced to stop existing as soon as possible.

    The announcement comes a couple of days after CII’s 191st meeting where they dubbed laws related to minimum marriage age to be un-Islamic.

    After declaring women to be un-Islamic, Shirani explained that there were actually two kinds of women – haraam and makrooh. “We can divide all women in the world into two distinct categories: those who are haraam and those who are makrooh. Now the difference between haraam and makrooh is that the former is categorically forbidden while the latter is really really disliked,” Shirani said.

    He further went on to explain how the women around the world can ensure that they get promoted to being makrooh, from just being downright haraam.

    “Any woman that exercises her will is haraam, absolutely haraam, and is conspiring against Islam and the Ummah, whereas those women who are totally subservient can reach the status of being makrooh.

    Such is the generosity of our ideology and such is the endeavour of Muslim men like us who are the true torchbearers of gender equality,” the CII chairman added.

    Officials told Khabaristan Today that the council members deliberated over various historic references related to women and concluded that each woman is a source of fitna and a perpetual enemy of Islam. They also decided that by restricting them to their subordinate, bordering on slave status, the momineen and the mujahideen can ensure that Islam continues to be the religion of peace, prosperity and gender equality.

    Responding to a question one of the officials said that international standards of gender equality should not be used if they contradict Islam or the constitution of Pakistan that had incorporated Islam and had given sovereignty to Allah. “We don’t believe in western ideals, and nothing that contradicts Islam should ever be paid heed. In any case by giving women the higher status of being makrooh, it’s us Muslims who have paved the way for true, Sharia compliant feminism,” the official said.

    The CII meeting also advised the government that to protect Islam women’s right to breathe should also be taken away from them. “Whether a woman is allowed to breathe or not be left up to her husband or male guardian, and no woman under any circumstance whatsoever should be allowed to decide whether she can breathe or not,” Shirani said.


    http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2014...-anti-islamic/


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    WESTERN LIBERAL WOMEN: PAY ATTENTION..PLEASE!

    Muslim girls being lead off in chains to meet their new husbands. The leading experts in Islamic Law met recently at the 191st meeting of the Council of Islamic Ideology and declared as un-Islamic any laws attempting to establish a minimum age for girls to be married.

    At the 192nd meeting the Council of Islamic Ideology went further and declared that women are un-Islamic and that their mere existence contradicted Sharia and the will of Allah. "Women by existing defied the laws of nature, and to protect Islam and the Sharia women should be forced to stop existing as soon as possible." Women who express their own will (most especially non-Muslim women) will be the first targeted for extermination.

    http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2014...e-anti-islamic

    PLEASE SHARE THIS FAR AND WIDE!

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=1&theater
    The photo of Iraqi women does not match the title of the thread. The banners in the photos address per-arranged marriages and female child abuse.

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    when I started reading it I kept waiting to see... April Fools...

    (edited to add for those reading, it is a joke article... so don't have a blowout, it's good they are able to bring up tough topics for Muslim countries to get them talking on important issues... I was ready to light up and chat with the Big guy on this one... )


    the dude's wife must have serious PMS or is mad women at his company are so much smarter they keep taking promotions away from him...


    after the meeting I bet they looked and said woah... did we really smoke all the opium?

    who's heading for Afghanistan soon?

    most Muslims know the extremist are absolutely crazy, but they don't have mental institutions to hold them all...


    they think of them like the GOP think of the Tea Party...
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    Quote The photo of Iraqi women does not match the title of the thread. The banners in the photos address per-arranged marriages and female child abuse.

    ^ Interesting.

    I my first thought was that this was more anti-islamic propaganda, then I saw the photos and assumed it was probably real...


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    Isn't a pre-arranged child marriage also a child abuse ???
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    sounds like Pakistan gave them a complete smackdown throwing their decision out of public policy...

    Quote The Sindh Assembly on Monday passed a resolution unanimously censuring the Council for Islamic Ideology for its recent controversial recommendations and calling for its closure. A resolution, which was moved by Pakistan Muslim League-Functional lady lawmaker, Mehtab Akbar Rashdi, said that the recent CII recommendations were damaging to social set-up. She termed the recommendations as 'regressive and anti-women'.

    The resolution pointed at three recent recommendations of the council, which generated controversies, as the civil society censured the council for them. "This house shows its strong reservations on the recent recommendations of Council of Islamic Ideology, which show complete indifference and insensitivity to the issue pertaining to women. Like, no minimal age for marriage, recommendation against DNA test as evidence in rape cases, no need of taking the permission of wife for second marriage...,"it said.

    Lawmakers from either side of the house supported the resolution, as the mover called for closing the CII for 'creating confusion in the society.' The parliamentary leader of Pakistan Muslim League Nawaz, Irfanullah Khan Marwat, said that the federal government may lack courage to challenge the council's recommendations but the Sindh Assembly will continue to oppose these.

    MQM's Syed Sardar Ahmed said the council came into existence in line with the Constitution's Article 22 (A) which has a specific role to function. He said the council can only set forth its recommendations and cannot enforce any law. He said the government should appoint competent people to run the council undisputedly and it should not also accept all of its recommendations. Sindh Senior Education Minister, Nisar Khuhro, Sindh Law and Parliamentary Affairs Minister, Dr Sikandar Mandhro, and opposition leader Faisal Sabzwari also expressed their views and asked the federal government to step up to call the recommendation null and void, in terms of religion... link
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    Muslim girls being lead off in chains to meet their new husbands. The leading experts in Islamic Law met recently at the 191st meeting of the Council of Islamic Ideology and declared as un-Islamic any laws attempting to establish a minimum age for girls to be married.


    last time I was this upset with Pakistan over a quarter million died...

    the new age is 15 for all of Islam...
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    Ok, now ready for the true story ?


    CII chairman Maulana Muhammad Khan Shirani (L) and Marvi Memon of PML-N (R)

    ISLAMABAD: In an apparent rebuff to the Council of Islamic Ideology (CII)’s stand on child marriage, Marvi Memon, along with other members of the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N), on Tuesday proposed harsher punishments for those found guilty of the act.
    The CII had recently ruled that laws on child marriage were un-Islamic, but members from the ruling PML-N took an opposing stance on the floor of the National Assembly on Tuesday by proposing that punishment for those who contract and solemnize the marriage should be harsher.
    The CII in its 191th meeting on March 10 had given the ruling that laws related to minimum age of marriage were un-Islamic and that children of any age could get married if they attain puberty.

    The move in the National Assembly earned the ire of other members, most prominently Maulana Muhammad Khan Shirani, the chairman of the CII.
    “The CII had already given its recommendations over the Act and it should have not come in the National Assembly,” said Shirani after Marvi Memon of PML-N introduced a bill seeking amendments in the Act.

    Movers of the bill also include Asiya Naz Tanoli, Muhammad Pervaiz Malik and Shaista Pervaiz.
    Shirani opposed the proposed amendments saying that they were contrary to Islamic teachings and laws. In order to substantiate his arguments, he quoted Article 2, 7 and 227 of the Constitution, several verses from Quran and Hadith and said that according to Islamic laws marriage can be solemnised when a girl attains puberty.
    “Parliament could not legislate laws which are against the teachings of Quran and Sunnah,” he added.

    Another JUI-F member, Moulana Ameer Zaman said that the issue should be referred to the CII further perusal and discussion.
    Commenting over the issue, Minister for Religious Affairs Sardar Yousaf said that the bill be referred to the relevant standing committee for further deliberations as it was proposed by the Speaker NA.

    However, SA Iqbal Qadri from the Muttahida Qaumi Movement [MQM] had a different take as he also opposed the idea of introducing the bill in lower house but on a different ground.

    “After the passage of 18th Constitutional Amendment the subject [marriage] has become a provincial subject and the bill should not have come here,” he added.

    Amendments proposed by the Bill

    The bill had sought amendments in the Child Marriage Restraint Act, 1929 proposing six amendments in the existing laws.
    The bill has proposed strict punishment through amendment which says “Whoever, being a male above eighteen years of age, contracts child marriage shall be punishable with rigorous imprisonment which may extend to two years, or with fine which may extend to one hundred thousand rupees, or with both.”

    Before the amendment, the Act said that the punishment should be “simple”, may extend to “one month” and fine may extend to one thousands rupees.
    Similarly, the punishment for solemnizing the child marriage has been suggested to be “rigorous” instead of “simple”, for “two years” instead of existing “one month” and the fine should be “one hundred thousands” instead of one thousands.

    The bill has also proposed three substitutions in section 8, 9 and 12. Substation in section 8 reads “Jurisdiction under this Act:- The Family Court, established under section 3 of the West Pakistan Family Court Act 1964 (No.XXXV of 1964) shall exercise jurisdiction under this Act and may take cognizance of an offence in the manner provided by section 190 of the code of Code of Criminal Procedure 1898 (No. V of 1898).”

    Substitution of Section 9 says that offences under this Act shall be cognizable “All offences under this Act shall be cognizable; such cognizance shall in no case be taken after the expiry of one year from the date on which offence in alleged to have been committed.”
    The final amendment proposed substitution of Section 12 that relates to Power to issue injunction prohibiting marriage “(1) Notwithstanding anything to the contrary contained in any other law, the court may, if satisfied from information laid before it through a complaint or otherwise that a child marriage in contravention of this Act is going to be arranged or is about to be solemnized, issue an injunction prohibiting such marriage. (2) Whoever, knowing that an injunction has been issued against him under sub-section (1) of this section, disobeys such injunction, shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to one year with fine which may extend to one hundred thousand rupees, or both.”

    http://tribune.com.pk/story/687098/m...marriage-laws/
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    »Sindh Senior Education Minister, Nisar Khuhro, Sindh Law and Parliamentary Affairs Minister, Dr Sikandar Mandhro, and opposition leader Faisal Sabzwari also expressed their views and asked the federal government to step up to call the recommendation null and void, in terms of religion. »

    ...they asked...but let's see if anyone listens...

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    Gordon Brown: Create Pakistan child marriage-free zones

    Gordon Brown: "There are seven million who are not going to school - this is completely unacceptable."
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    Former prime minister Gordon Brown has announced that "child marriage-free zones" are to be set up in Pakistan.

    Mr Brown, the UN's special envoy on global education, said the practice of forcing girls into marriage is "not acceptable in the modern world".

    "It deprives a girl of her education and her childhood," he told the BBC.

    Speaking on a visit to Islamabad, he revealed the UN is giving $10m (£6m), and the EU 100m euros (£83m), to get more Pakistani children into education.

    Pilot project
    "What we want to do is to encourage girls themselves to be aware of their rights, to encourage teachers and girls to work together to say that when people try to force them into early marriage, it's not acceptable," he said.

    "And so in Pakistan, we are going to do a pilot project where we declare an area to a marriage-free zone, a child marriage-free zone."

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    The world does not want girls to be married as girls”

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    He added that there was support for such a scheme in Pakistan and that funding for it would be made available.

    Child marriage-free zones have already been set up in other countries, according to the former Labour leader.

    Mr Brown said: "There are groups in Pakistan who want to make it easier for people to sell off their children in marriage at an early age, and that is not acceptable.

    "It deprives a girl of her education and her childhood and indeed changes her life, and is something that is not acceptable in the modern world.

    "So as part of our campaign to get every child at school, we want to remind people that the world does not want girls to be married as girls, as brides when they should be at school."

    'Global commitment'
    There is greater support amongst the general public for a ban of forced marriage for girls, Mr Brown believes.

    "I think that people are realising that it is unfair for a girl to be pushed into marriage when she's still a child," he added.

    There has been a global commitment to get every child into education by December 2015, which the UN and EU money will help to achieve, said Mr Brown, who is visiting Pakistan at the invitation of prime minister Nawaz Sharif.

    "There are seven million children who are not going to school," he said. "This is completely unacceptable in the modern world and I know the prime minister wishes to do something about it.

    "What we've got to do is find a way that Pakistan can increase the money its spending on education and we can give support from the international community for them to do so.

    "We don't want girls forced into early marriage, we don't want child labour, we don't want girls and boys that are trafficked, we want schools that have teachers and we have got to make a huge impact on this problem as quickly as possible."

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-26801597

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    the new age is 15 for all of Islam...
    And 14 for the Catholic Church...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriag...atholic_Church

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    This article tells me that the Women of Islam are finally shedding their bonds of slavery and that the established Mullahs feel threatened and are trying desperately to hang on to their old ways. We have seen this in history time after time, different events, different issues but no less the same. A country based on theocracy has a very unstable foundation this is why they are so violent and so eager to lash out. Change is hard and many people resist change, even willing to give up their lives to keep things the same.

    Sharia law gives people the false impression that it is OK to treat women as less than men (after all it is the law). Sharia Law should be crushed and dismantled at every opportunity. It is probably more responsible for keeping so many people in the middle east acting like they still live in the dark ages. Unfortunately, some in the west want to embrace Sharia Law, people become knowledgeable about the basics of Sharia Law and speak out against it at every opportunity.

    Just because "Its The Law" does not make it good for humanity.

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    More here -

    ...................The goal is to push child marriage legislation at provincial and federal levels and it's implemantation after the legislation is passed in Sindh .!!!

    Note - Sindh province - capital karachi



    http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-New...ages-announced

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    Quote Posted by buares (here)
    Quote Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)

    the new age is 15 for all of Islam...
    And 14 for the Catholic Church...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriag...atholic_Church

    No. It is not ! You must have misread.

    Besides, Civil Code Law does not recongnize the marriage, if one is under 18 years old.

    To be able to marry at 16 or 17, there is a process of law.

    First, the parents of the underage must open a process of emancipation, in the court of law.

    The court will rule if the underage can be or not emancipated, that is if he can be accepted as an adult for the act of marriage only.

    He/she - the under age - will not be considered an adult for any other acts, except those necessary for the contract of marriage.
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    NUMBER OF WOMEN AGED 20-24 WHO WERE MARRIED OR IN UNION BEFORE AGE 18, BY REGION (2006):



    Here’s a map showing the geographical distribution of the percentage of women aged 20-24 who were married or in union before age 18 (1987-2006):









    http://filipspagnoli.wordpress.com/s...hild-marriage/
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    Quote Posted by MariaDine (here)
    Quote Posted by buares (here)
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    the new age is 15 for all of Islam...
    And 14 for the Catholic Church...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriag...atholic_Church

    No. It is not ! You must have misread.
    I think I read correctly:



    Maybe you should read again...

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    why is there no mention of Iran or Saudi Arabia?

    Quote Official statistics released by the Islamic Republic between 2006 and 2011 involving girls below 10 year of age, 10-14 and 15 -19 in a number of provinces in Iran indicates a staggering increase of 6448 marriages for the three above mentioned age groups. Within the same period, the ratio of marriages involving girls compared to those among adults grew by 45%.

    2 Statistics indicate the number of girls under the age of 15 who were registered to marry increased from 33,383 in 2006 to 39,831 in 2011... link
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    This is just incredibly retrograde. To still have that kind of beliefs in people is so so depressing. By way of religion anything and anyone can become such a monster but as long as it's backed by religion it's alright. When and where did these brains start to get the idea to act and think so detached from the other half of humanity? I'm trying to sound civilized, but inside of my brain there is a tornado of so many feelings that want to explode in a bad way...yeah, hell yeah!!! Yes, lets pretend this doesn't happen so we don not give in to the bad feelings one gets just to know about it. But oh, this is not easy, the program is working wonders and then some, no? How very resourceful of them to come up with such great ideas. I'm sorry I cannot present you with a more scientific approach but I needed to rant and well... there.

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