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    Quote Posted by Roisin (here)
    Any kind of adulation of Hitler or "reconsideration" of the degree and magnitude of his crimes that strives to diminish the negatively of his crimes to put him in a better light makes me nauseous. To the vast majority of the world, Hitler was Satan incarnated and there's plenty of hard-core proof and evidence to support that reality.
    While I agree with this statement, the problem is that it places a ceiling on this kind of inhuman behaviour. It is like a competition: if you give full marks to the first contestant, you have no wiggle room to accommodate a subsequent contestant who might be even better. If we consider Hitler to be the ultimate evil, then we are closing our minds to the possibility of even worse crimes against humanity. I am not talking about other genocides with even more dead, I am talking of things like the killing of an entire race – humanity – or the killing of souls. These are things that have been placed beyond most people’s imagination by this negative version of the personality cult.

    Quote That they even exist gives strong indication that someday, another "Hitler" will rise to the fore and spread evil throughout the world again on an even more unprecedented scale than his predecessor.

    Hence why the righteous need to constantly remain alert for his reappearance in the world political theater to be able to nip that bud with surgical precision by throwing him back into the abyss from which he came.
    The other problem is in identifying the source of evil with one individual person. This is not how it works these days. While you are watching out for another Hitler, much worse is already being done by the hidden cabal and their followers. One of the features of this cabal is that you will keep looking for the top echelons without ever finding them. When you work your way up to someone like David Rockefeller, you carry on into his ET masters, and their masters ad infinitum. This for me is one meaning of the truncated pyramid: you will never reach the top.

    Similarly, it is useless to look out for a returning Christ as an individual: the Christ consciousness is a force shared among many. The days of deciding a conflict through single combat between two champions are long gone. And again: the triangular capstone symbolizing God is ever elusive. You will meet plenty of ‘gods’ on the way, but the ‘Godhead’ itself, never absolutely in this finite existence.


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    Adam Silver gives Donald Sterling lifetime ban from NBA

    NEW YORK — Denouncing Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling's racist comments in strong language, NBA Commissioner Adam Silver announced the league has banned Sterling for life and fined him $2.5 million.

    Clippers president Andy Roeser will handle day to day operations of the club for now, according to a person familiar with the situation.

    The person spoke to USA TODAY Sports on condition of anonymity because the sensitivity of the situation.

    "The central findings of the investigation are that the man whose voice is on the recordings ... is Mr. Sterling and that the hateful feelings are those of Mr. Sterling. The views expressed by Mr. Sterling are deeply disturbing and alarming," Silver said during a news conference Tuesday.

    "As for Mr. Sterling's ownership interest in the Clippers," Silver said. "I will urge the board of governors to force a sale of the team and will do everything in my power to ensure that happens."

    PLAYERS: Full support of Silver's decision

    TWITTER: NBA community reacts to news

    Silver said he made the decision to ban Sterling Tuesday morning and that he will begin immediately the process of trying to get Sterling to sell the team.

    "This has been a painful moment for all members of the NBA family," Silver said.

    Sliver said he didn't poll the owners, but did speak to several who he said supports the decision.

    "The owners have the authority subject to three-quarters vote, to remove him as owner," Silver said.

    Silver said that he will push owners to vote on the matter quickly. Sentiment from owners is starting to come out.

    "On behalf of the Miller family, we support the decisive action by Commissioner Silver and the NBA to reaffirm that there is no place for racism and hatred in our league," said Greg Miller. CEO of the Larry H. Miller Group, owner of the Utah Jazz. "The Jazz organization and all the teams in the NBA should act as national leaders in promoting inclusiveness and diversity. We have a responsibility in our communities to fight against discrimination and ignorance and showcase sports as an example of respect and tolerance. While this situation has been inexcusable, I hope it serves the greater purpose of reinforcing our vigilance against this type of behavior."

    STATEMENT: Listen to and read Silver's comments

    OFFICIAL RELEASE: Silver's decree laid out with specifics

    "I commend Commissioner Adam Silver in being diligent in how he handled this important matter," said Atlanta Hawks majority owner Bruce Levenson, who had already said he would vote to remove Sterling if a vote was taken. "He acted swiftly and appropriately with the severity of the penalty and I strongly support his decision."

    The fine will be donated to organizations dedicated to anti-discrimination and tolerance efforts that will be jointly selected by the NBA and the Players Association, Silver said.

    Kevin Johnson, the Sacramento mayor and former NBA All-Star, expressed his support for Silver.

    "The players spoke, they acted, and they were listened to," said Johnson, who is working for the players association at the request of Chris Paul, the Clippers guard and president of the union. "On this day, Adam Silver is not only the owners' commissioner, he is the players' commissioner and we're proud to call him our commissioner."

    In Silver's first seminal moment as commissioner since taking over for David Stern in February, he issued the heaviest penalty possible under his power, which is governed by the NBA's private constitution and bylaws.

    Sponsors began pulling out Monday and Silver said marketing partners should judge NBA based on league's response to Sterling incident.

    Promising a quick investigation, Silver said Sterling confirmed his is the voice on the audio and said the recording was not tampered with, as the Clippers suggested was possible in a statement on Saturday.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...nsion/8460575/

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    There's still hope for a better world folks. Such scenario's as what occurred in the above case gives us hope.We are after all, ALL creatures of God. Those who are the antithesis of God, which is Love, need to be banished to contemplate on their errors. Mr. Sterling, is a good case in point.
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    Dennis Wise is an independent film maker with a background in entertainment and media. Apart from researching and producing documentaries, today he still produces private videos for clients. Dennis joins us to discuss his 6.5 hour documentary called, Adolf Hitler: The Greatest Story Never Told, which has taken the internet by storm. It has been hailed as, “The single most important media contribution in the last 70-years.” The controversial 26 part series was made under the constant threat of being banned by YouTube and after 24 episodes, the inevitable did finally happen. However, by that time it had already circulated around the internet with the series being hosted on numerous websites. What makes the documentary so fascinating is not only the way it single-handedly dismantles the propaganda and myths surrounding Adolf Hitler, but also completely turns on its head the Allies' version of World War Two, in what can only be described as history’s greatest ever cover up. We’ll discuss who many believe was the most evil man that has ever lived, Hitler. Dennis talks about Germany prior to Hitler, events that led up to the war and Hitler’s relationship with the Jews. Also, we talk about the conspiracy theories surrounding Hitler, which do not add up" ...


    Adolf Hitler: The Greatest Story Never Told >Here
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    I was going to listen to the radio broadcast, however, the first thing Hendrik, the announcer, asks you to do is watch the series of videos that comprise the documentary. The entire thing is about 6 hours long.

    You can watch it on their website at http://thegreateststorynevertold.tv/ where it is divided up into 27 segments, or watch on Youtube at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhGfCTA_6wA.

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    2 hours into watching: incredibly instructive, war seen from another point, the German point of view and what the allied did or did not do, that is not always quite humane (ex: the Cossack killing by sending them back to Staline, knowing very well they would be killed and the Japan Pearl Harbor attack that was expected in USA - newspaper article showing Japanese attack to be expected).

    Or the Ukrainians kissing the Germans getting in because they freed them from the Stalinian killer dictatorship. "It was magnificient, we were absolutely convinced that the German came in to save us from communism, .... German soldiers protecting us...)

    BUT MOSTLY WHY HITLER GOT INTO WAR - GERMANY WAS HAVING ECONOMIC SANCTIONS FROM THE WEST FOR HAVING RECUPERATED THE BANKING SYSTEM FOR AND BY GERMANS. FURTHERMORE, HITLER HAD TAKEN OFF THE ZIONISTS FROM POWER, REPRESENTING A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THE POPULATION BUT BEING MORE THAN 20% IN THE MAIN POSITIONS AT THE GOVERNMENT. History is repeated again and again it seems. He did finance their departure for Palestine, and let them go with all their wealth if they wished to go, before the war.

    Then, the army went to protect some Germans isolated in Poland and being mass killed and the war started. It seems that Hitler required no less than four times a peace process from London, which was never granted - he did not want to fight the British, saying they were very similar to Germans.

    Really has to be listened to, very interesting.

    Edit: at 3hours15min., the Stalinian purges of the Tatar race, the history of Mini Flash family from her dad side, having been subject to the Leninian ethnic cleansing of Crimean Tatar farmers and officers on one side and then to the Stalinian ethnic cleansing of Tatar on the other side of her dad's family. I have heard about it but had never seen it filmed or written, I will show this to Mini Flash.
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    Yes ...

    It is quite a lot to consume in one setting, but i believe the content helps fill a void that's been lacking. Please keep an open mind. i suggest digesting the material in palatable portions. Note the arguments of who suffered the most, is not what should be wholly considered. Accuracy and fairness. This is what truly matters. Weighing the facts with blindness to emotion. This needs to be considered, if we want to live together as human. Otherwise we as the decedents of those who came before us, will never learn to transmute and realize what it truly is to be human beings becoming.

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    Great interview thanks for posting. The truth is important, and now it explains to me about the Nazis in Ukraine and why they are Nazis. I watched another video recently which perhaps casts a different light.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLdo...TZ8V5gmftvAKhN

    according to Sheridan the thule society were behins the Nazis even in 1919

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    Strange interview for Heinrick I don't know where to start, Did the people of Denmark, Norway
    Holland, Belguim ,Luxemburg, Greece, Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, France, Poland, Russia and
    eventually Italy all welcome the German Army to invade their countries from 1938 to 1943. The
    last two years the Reich was on the retreat. Whether Hitler was evil or not is irrelevant, and
    history is often changed by the victors , so propaganda from all sides has to be acknowledged.

    Hitler was not the Devil in carnet and if you watch his early life you will see his views were
    quite normal for his upbringing, trying to be an artist in Austria, joining the Bavarian Army in
    WW1 part of Imperial German Empire, being wounded twice on the western front and awarded
    medals for wounds and bravery. From 1919 to 1933 he was a political activist who spent time
    in prison for his part in an attempted Munich Putsch in 1923 , where he wrote Main Kampf.

    Hitler did come to power via the ballot box in 1933, then did not have another election and became
    Fuhrer for life, (which leads to a whole other subject as to whether he died in the bunker or
    escaped to South America). There are major events, murders of politicalrivals and a militarisation
    of Germany over a very few years.

    As to other conspiracy theories about Hitler being funded by power full families that create war
    for profit as we see today with the mil ind complex, that's possible as to whether they were in touch
    with ET's thru the Vril and Thula societies. If you watched Kerrys vid with Captain Philips he claimed all
    the major powers are involved with different factions of ET's, and that could of been happening all thru our history.

    Back to mainstream history there have been a lot of dumbed downed documentaries over the last
    decade or so. But there are still good ones out there, Hitler did become a meglamaniac as the war
    went on , ask his Generals, Rommel who Hitler told to stand at the Battle of El Alamein to the last
    man. Fortunately Rommel saw Hitler was losing site of reality and disobeyed and put his name to
    the failed attempt to assassinate Hitler in the Wolf's lair and payed with his life. Or Gen Von Paulus
    also told to hold till the last man at Stalingrad after Rommel thought better of it. After holding for
    months the German garrison was on the verge of collapse. Hitler promoted Von Paulus to Field
    Marshall , knowing no German officer of that rank had surrendered in the field. Meaning he expected
    Von Paulus to shoot himself rather than be captured. Von Paulus promptly surrendered his half starved
    garrison the next day. It should be said very few made it back to Germany after years in Soviet
    labour camps. Even at the end in Berlin Hitler was ordering armies to attack that were either depleted
    or unable. There is speculation that the Reichs secret weapons were not ready and those that were,
    could not stop the sheer number of allied soldiers advancing from the East, West and South into the
    Reich. The question of civilians murdered by 'death squads. not only by the SS but many nationalities
    with there own local grievances against various minorities in all the occupied countries to some degree,s
    is documented fact. The labour camps and death camps were all over occupied Europe. There is debate
    to how many died, but in the end the answer is to many.


    As the years go by History does fade and we repeat the same cycles as seems to be happening now.
    The regime headed by Hitler was definitely unpleasant , as with many throughout history.
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    From my perspective there is nothing very admirable about Adolf Hitler and his former Third Reich government ... But i do now understand better (after viewing this material) the overall dynamics that were occurring in Germany and Europe during that time. What i came away with most with this material, was just how gullible and vulnerable we again are in allowing and repeating this kind behavioral history. To truly believe one side only committed atrocities and the other side didn’t is being naive ... For some of us - it is still (fresh) in memory ... But for those born within the last thirty years, there's little real connect. That's why (in my humble opinion), i feel it is most relevant now (today) in reviewing - if not learning how not to allow this madness to repeat itself.
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    Quote Posted by Cidersomerset (here)

    ......history is often changed by the victors , so propaganda from all sides has to be acknowledged.

    As the years go by History does fade and we repeat the same cycles as seems to be happening now.
    I did watch some of this series from Dennis Wise.
    I am absolutely certain that the stories of the World Wars I II (EVERY WAR) was and can only be biased. I learned a long time ago about that truth so I am not trusting any of it. I have SO MANY friends who lost their whole world due to war that I am a committed pacifist (even have a card somewhere). I bet all who read this will have that same experience of knowing who lost their worlds through war. WAR, WAR, WAR, what is it good for? Absolutely nothing. Say it again....

    But that does not give me any peace about what I feel a passion on.... What if we are quite reactionarily, regressively and ignorantly being looped to NOW have the same back story of Xenophobia leading to willingness to be participants in racially cleansing, culturally justified fascism?

    Rage seems to be building and when there is rage, it eventually erupts and when it erupts it seeks the low common denominator lying downhill and close to the picture of the scapegoat our personal cultural history taught us looms in the shadow? This includes whites, feminists, communists, islamists, blacks, pinks, chinese, jews, and etc......................................

    I do not understand this uprising focus on the issues like genocide of the white race on Red Ice. But then I do not have that history.

    Mine is of the American South and rural Appalachia where minorities will not be found in numbers. But I do know that the single most difficult "multicultural" experience where I live now is of white people form Florida moving here. the people from Florida are considered to be the problem by many. This is not based on race so it is not race only. It is "stranger phobia" and a feeling of being threatened.

    As I said before, times look tough and the button is waiting to be pushed? It was the extreme punishmnent of the German people after WWI that led to climate of rage and the need for a savior and a scapegoat IMO.

    In the South after the Civil War, there was much blood shed of factions and in my area, vigilanties who were in sympathy with the South IN the war, targeted those who had supported the North in my area. If a family had supported the Northern side,they were likely to be burned out.

    People who were advantaged in the past feel thwarted by what others see as necessary steps towards progress. There has been a backlash against feminism and the attempts to make the playing feel more even for the whole.

    Crowds act but it is individual rage that gathers the momentum.

    Here is a video about a counter concern of significance IMO....RACISM is maybe NOT the best word? Fear of being threatened by the outside of whatever group is taught and may probably easily be classified in racial differences. Inculcation starts early in the teachings of children about who is the foe, who is the friend and seems to be a great tool for the fascist agendas in all times?

    I feel better now. Thanks for letting me speak. Maggie

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    I'd like to comment on Episode 21: the Leuchter Findings.

    The Leuchter Report has been utterly discredited time and time again. The claims that Leuchter made about being an engineer were a lie. When called to be an expert witness at the trial of Zundel, Judge Ron Thomas called his methodology "ridiculous" and "preposterous", and of "no greater value than that of an ordinary tourist". He has no qualifications or work experience in the field chemistry or toxicology.

    David Hirsch, in his book. Law Against Genocide. sums it up as "The Leuchter report, was, indeed, an amateurish report produced by a man with no expertise, either historical or forensic."
    There's a film about his life and his fraudulent claims: Mr Death : The Rise and fall of Fred A Leuchter. I can't think why on earth Dennis Wise thought it a good idea to use Leuchter's findings in this film.

    The other contributor to this episode was David Cole/David Stein. He was a film maker, who had a brief career in the limelight as an amateur holocaust revisionist in the 1990s.

    Cole claims that Dr Piper, chair of the Historical Department at the Auschwitz State Museum, concurred with his own doubts about the usage of Krema 1 gas chamber. I happen to know what Dr Piper thought about his experience with David Cole; in the letter at this link, he calls the interview "a sham", and accuses Cole of being deceitful, manipulating and a liar, ending the letter with "I take the fact my name is used for disseminating such kind of lies and hiding of the obvious truth as a lack of honesty and dignity. "

    http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people...ily.texan.1093

    Cole not what you'd term a weighty scholar or researcher - and again, I can't think why Dennis Wise thought he would be an asset to his film

    Actually, thinking about it, maybe I do know why . Because both Leuchter and Cole give Dennis Wise's audience what they want to hear. And if you wonder who Dennis Wise's audience is, look at the comments under the video on YouTube (where the owner of the channel states "I will remove comments made by Jewbots") and also see what kind of sites Google brings up when you do a search on this film.

    I have no idea whether or not this was Dennis Wise's intention, but The Greatest Story Ever Told has become essential viewing for a whole range of extremists, including Neo Nazis, whose desire is to rewrite history so that it fits more snugly into their personal ideology. It's hardly open minded, out of the box research that has been well executed and documented; if it was, it would be worth spending 6.5 hours watching it!

    To find the truth, we have to examine the historical narrative, place it nude microscopic scrutiny, question it with an open minded approach - while holding an awareness that our own personal agenda could colour our conclusions. Dennis Wise has yet to learn this skill, certainly as far as his research into the events of the holocaust are concerned.

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    Question Re: Adolf Hitler - The Greatest Story Never Told

    That's the sad part about sharing published material ...
    Anything can be be misused - manipulated and misinterpreted ...

    Just take that creative historical narrative called the Bible for example ...

    Again As All Avalionians Are Aware Discernment Always !

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    Default Re: Adolf Hitler - The Greatest Story Never Told

    I think we need to be very careful with this material.

    There is a growing movement afoot to revise Hitler's biography and to rekindle an interest in national socialist philosophy.

    It's being packaged in a way that is designed to be palatable to communities like ours. See John Lash's recent interview with Red Ice for a hint of what I'm talking about. http://www.redicecreations.com/radio...RIR-140804.php

    Ethnic hatreds are being stoked intentionally.

    Documentaries like this are about more than 'finding the truth' about an historical figure, or determining what really happened during WWII.

    They're laying the groundwork, ironically, or perhaps fittingly, for the radical Zionist endgame. They're pushing us toward division, animosity and ultimate conflict.

    Radical Zionism is creating a scenario where Israel will be sacrificed.

    The goal is to usher forth a messiah and new world system.

    That's the theology behind the geopolitics, and it's shared by Zionists of all creeds.

    To accomplish their endgame, they need an opposing force. They need to be hated.

    Don't fall for it.

    See it for what it is: another opportunity to pick a false side in a game that should not be played.

    The only way to win here is not to play the game.

    From War Games:

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    Default Re: Adolf Hitler - The Greatest Story Never Told

    The reason that you have films like this is because people are not allowed to discuss the holocaust, and if you disagree with it in certain places in Europe you can be imprisoned. It's very similar in that sense to 9/11 if they just had a very public enquiry were all the facts were published then there would be nothing left to have conspiracy theories about. The fact that they don't will encourage speculation, and may indeed lead to an outcome that the people denying the enquiries really don't want.

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    Thanks Curt ...

    i believe most here understand your concern, but balance most be restored ...

    there's only one side in my opinion when it comes to humankind.

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    Default Re: Adolf Hitler - The Greatest Story Never Told

    A lot of the clips from the first hour of the documentry are
    from the movie. The Rise of Hitler. From the snippets given
    in the first hour the doc, it states he was a 'fanatic several
    times.including reference to his war service and how he seemed
    to revel in the glory of war, Something millions of soldiers
    /warriors have done thru history. Only he frowned on the
    Christmas truce and loved the military life, which is not
    surprising after years living in a hostel, destitute in Vienna.
    Life in the barracks and at the front was exhilarating for him.

    The comment about the officers saying he was not a leader
    of men in the field is right from his attitude depicted in the
    doc. There was snobbery in the officer corp and Adolph
    would not have been seen as a gentleman . Though in war
    time field commissions meant class status was waved,
    but Hitler was probably seen as to wreckless to lead a
    company during the lulls between engagements.

    Later comments about his private life, not liking bawdy
    or political jokes, the fact he manipulated events to
    become a military dictator. The main events from
    becoming Fuhrer in 1933 to invading Poland in
    1938, only five years saw Germany rearm on a
    massive rate, and is partly why he was able to
    put everyone to work. Many people were glad that a
    strong leadership had been installed. But what did
    he ultimately give to the German people a few years
    of false hope and glory followed by death and destruction,

    The further partition of the country worse than Versailles
    and 50 years of cold war and division.

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    The Rise of Hitler (Full Film)

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    Default Re: Adolf Hitler - The Greatest Story Never Told

    Balance would be ideal. And I take what you said about the importance of discernment very seriously.

    I believe people who seek the truth should seek it no matter where it leads- no matter how difficult, unpopular or bleak.

    But we need to be careful to vet the ideas of those who, on the surface, may seem to share a common interest with us.

    Their ultimate intent may be very different to our own.

    Where we may be looking for truth, they may be looking to advance an agenda.

    Discernment ain't easy. Hats off to all who attempt to seek the truth and manage to avoid the mines in the process.



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    Thanks Curt ...

    i believe most here understand your concern, but balance most be restored ...

    there's only one side in my opinion when it comes to humankind.

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    Question Re: Adolf Hitler - The Greatest Story Never Told

    Yes

    After posting here on this forum almost daily since its inception, i have learned to tread cautiously and softly ...

    Careful - defined - making sure of avoiding potential danger, mishap, or harm.

    PS ~
    i hope there is not a unconscious intent to distract others from viewing this material and deciding for themselves ?
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    Default Re: Adolf Hitler - The Greatest Story Never Told

    Hi Giovanni,

    Nope. I have a very direct and open intent to shed light on (and provide context for) what I view to be a dangerous trend in the alternative community.

    To be perfecty frank, I'd prefer not to be doing it.

    Sticking my head up over the parapet and pissing off both the zionists and those who hate them isn't exactly a stress-free way to spend one's time.



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    Yes

    After posting here on this forum almost daily since its inception, i have learned to tread cautiously and softly ...

    Careful - defined - making sure of avoiding potential danger, mishap, or harm.

    PS ~
    i hope there is not a unconscious intent to distract others from viewing this material and deciding for themselves here.

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    Good to hear that Curt ...


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