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    Quote Posted by Cosmored (here)
    Most of the research I study was not done by white supremacists.
    Really?

    Quote Posted by Cosmored (here)
    Do you think that Mark Weber is a White supremacist?
    Yes. Without a doubt. A man is known by the company he keeps.

    Look into his connections with William Pierce’s neo-Nazi National Alliance: he was editor of their journal, the National Vanguard.
    He was treasurer of their Cosmotheist Church (a racist religion founded by William Pierce).
    He did the key note address at their conference in Sacremento in 2004.
    The IHR runs ads on James Edwards’ white supremacy radio show.
    Weber has been interviewed twice by Kevin Alfred Strom.

    This is not all in the past - he has maintained ties to the National Alliance. The founder, William Pierce, stated that the The IHR and the Alliance have "a good working relationship and a commitment to the cause" .
    He is close to David Irving who is adored by neo-Nazis and who has connections to the neo-fascist BNP and Deutsche Volksunion.


    Look into The New Century Foundation, where he has been a speaker at their "American Renaissance" Conferences for several years, alongside the renowned white supremacists Jared Taylor, Richard Spencer, Sam Dickson and Jack Donovan - see photo. The themes of this cosy little get together include “How to mobilize whites by highlighting their culture and heritage.” and “creating a white ethno-state on the North American continent.”



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    However much he has tried to repackage himself and conceal his racism and bigotry, his beliefs are perfectly clear to anyone who scratches the veneer of wafer-thin respectability he has constructd around himself. In his youth, he stated (in an interview for the University of Nebraska Sower) that he did not think it desirable or feasible for “black Americans to be assimilated into white society” and expressed a desire for a time when the United States would be defined as a “white country” and nonwhites were “second-class citizens.”




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    Here's a relevant post from another thread.
    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1375337
    In some ways, I’d have more respect for you if you didn’t keep stating you didn’t support the white supremacist ideology … while posting white supremacist material.
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    First of all you ignored this.
    (from post #247)
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    Quote It’s clearly absurd to do that, so deniers cling desperately to any tiny apparent lack of exactness and then take a leap of faith to say this proves that the Holocaust never happened.

    It’s so transparent and twisted as to be difficult to believe - for those of us with rational minds.
    Quote I've seen a mountain of what looks like serious research done by serious people. Your description of their position is wrong.
    https://holocaustdeprogrammingcourse.com/
    http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=38
    http://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/38-cl.pdf
    http://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/Che...chwitz-4th.mp4
    http://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/35-coa.pdf
    http://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/02-tcoa.pdf
    http://www.holocausthandbooks.com/dl/36-aerapcoth.pdf
    https://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=1003
    http://holocausthandbooks.com/

    Do you think the people who come up with this info believe it themselves? Do you think they're deliberately lying? What do you make of all of this?

    Quote You sincerely seem to believe that you’ve “won” the debates, or that they shut you down because they couldn’t deal with the truth.
    I gave a rebuttal to this at the top of post #252.
    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1378364

    Are you going to give a counter-rebuttal?


    Quote Testimony of Hans Stark at the Auschwitz Trials:
    “At another, later gassing — also in Autumn 1941 — Grabner ordered me to pour Zyklon B into the opening because only one medical orderly had shown up. During a gassing Zyklon B had to be poured through both openings of the gas-chamber room at the same time. This gassing was also a transport of 200-250 Jews, once again men, women and children. As the Zyklon B - as already mentioned - was in granular form, it trickled down over the people as it was being poured in. They then started to cry out terribly for they now knew what was happening to them. I did not look through the opening because it had to be closed as soon as the Zyklon B had been poured in. After a few minutes there was silence. After some time had passed, it may have been ten to fifteen minutes, the gas chamber was opened. The dead lay higgledy-piggledy all over the place. It was a dreadful sight.”
    I've cited testimony from people who know about gas chambers who said it was impossible to remove the gas that fast and that mere gas masks wouldn't have been enough.
    https://holocaustdeprogrammingcourse...nical-reports/

    If it turns out they're wrong, I won't have a problem with it; I just want to find out what the truth is. So far I haven't actually seen what they say debunked. I've only seen people give less-than-convincing arguments and then declare it debunked.

    All you seem to have against this science is testimony. It's possible to get lots of people to lie. Some can be threatened. Some can be bribed. Some can be part of the team that has an interest in the lie's being believed.

    Science trumps testimony. It doesn't matter how may testimonies there are.


    Quote The assertion that Hoess was being threatened with the fate of his family has never been shown to have any substance and, as such, is nothing more than another baseless postulation.
    It can't be proven either way. The fact that your side can't prove that it wasn't true means that it's not evidence that there were gas chambers. You seem to believe that his testimony proves there were gas chambers. I know he knew he was going to be hanged eventually but they might have told him that they'd kill his wife and son after he was hanged. I would have lied in his place.

    I pointed out a blatant lie at the top of post #1 of this thread.
    http://www.flinttalk.com/viewtopic.php?t=12196&start=0

    Americans are lied to about what the German people and soldiers were thinking during the war. Do you agree that there are lies in the official story of WW2?


    Quote He is close to David Irving who is adored by neo-Nazis
    Their liking what he says doesn't make him a Nazi. I've never seen Mark Weber or David Irving say anything that sounded like they were white supremacists.

    Quote Weber has been interviewed twice by Kevin Alfred Strom.
    I don't see anything bad here.
    https://nationalvanguard.org/2018/06...th-mark-weber/

    Quote Look into his connections with William Pierce’s neo-Nazi National Alliance: he was editor of their journal, the National Vanguard.
    He was treasurer of their Cosmotheist Church (a racist religion founded by William Pierce).
    I found this but how do we know it's now slander?

    https://phdn.org/negation/gravedigge...weber_IHR.html
    (excerpt)
    ---------------------------
    Weber has subsequently realized that such obvious racism does not go over well in the American political mainstream, and has kept his racialist observations to a minimum. Affiliations with Dr. William Pierce and the National Alliance, however, suggest that this type of racial intolerance is a cornerstone of Mark Weber’s political ideology. We can only judge the legitimacy of Weber’s scholarship if we understand the environment in which he was nurtured; thus, it is time to take a closer look at Weber’s position in the neo-Nazi extremist fringe.
    ---------------------------

    Maybe he is a closet racist but the stuff he says about the Holocaust seems in line with science.


    You don't really have anything solid in your arguments. I urge the viewers who are sitting on the fence to check out this info...
    https://holocaustdeprogrammingcourse.com/

    ... and the info at the top of this post.


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    Start watching this at the 25:00 time mark.

    David Irving on the Lipstadt Trial
    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...6FORM%3DHDRSC3


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    Check this out.

    http://the-militant-atheist.org/prob...holocaust.html
    (excerpt)
    -----------------------------------------
    Why is there no mention of the Holocaust in Churchill's six-volume History of the Second World War or the wartime memoirs of either De Gaulle or Eisenhower or any other lesser luminaries who wrote about the Second World War? Keep in mind all these were written years after the war ended and thus after the Holocaust had been allegedly proven by the Nuremberg Trials. With regard to the Holocaust, the silence of these "conoscenti" is deafening!
    -----------------------------------------

    I don't know if the above is true or not. If it turns out to be true, it's pretty suspicious.


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    Start reading here on page #133.
    http://the-militant-atheist.org/file...-holocaust.pdf
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    Default Re: Adolf Hitler - The Greatest Story Never Told

    There's a lot of good info at this site.
    https://codoh.com/

    https://codoh.com/library/document/t...r-illusion/en/
    (excerpt)
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    In 1988 the scientific team of Fred Leuchter (a US execution-expert "Mr Death" in gas-chamber technology) visited Poland, and concluded that the Auschwitz "gas chambers" could not possibly have functioned in the alleged manner – i.e., they were not gas chambers[2]. In the following years, others would confirm the accuracy of his seminal, "Leuchter Report" . The German chemist Germar Rudolf, who worked at the Max Plank institute for Solid State Physics, is now in jail, because he likewise measured the high levels of the cyanide in the walls of the de-lousing chambers. It happens that this gas bonds permanently with iron, and iron is present in all the cement etc of stone walls. Whereas, he found none in the walls of what were supposed to be the "gas chambers" which were mainly shower units. He thereby confirmed the work of Leuchter who likewise only found remains of the cyanide gas-insecticide in the de-lousing chambers
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    Jews Tell The TRUTH About The Holocaust
    https://archive.org/details/jewstell...uttheholocaust

    Google and YouTube are useless now. I look for stuff in bing.com.
    https://www.bing.com/search?q=The+Gr...2190DE094A6C02

    https://www.bing.com/search?q=Auschw...FC25F52D779824


    These old threads have a lot of good info.

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...light=LIPSTADT
    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...light=LIPSTADT
    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...light=LIPSTADT

    Here's the video the dead link in post #1 of the third thread used to lead to.

    The Hitler Speech They Don't Want You To Hear.
    https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2qu8hc


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    Here's some more stuff.
    https://en.metapedia.org/m/index.php...ult&fulltext=1
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    Let's take a break from all the hate propaganda that is being posted here.

    I'd like to ask you some questions, Cosmored - I hope you will respond. Here's the first:
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    Why did no SS officer, Nazi soldier or Nazi official - out of the hundred and hundreds who have been tried in court - ever deny the Holocaust?
    Why did they all either state that they were ignorant of the events of the Holocaust, or that they were just following orders?


    Trials of former guards are still going on to this day. And not one of them has denied the reality of the events they witnessed.
    As examples:

    Just a couple of months ago, Bruno Dey - a former Nazi guard at Stutthof camp - was tried and found guilty of being an accessory to more than 5,000 murders.
    He gave an apology to "those who went through the hell of this madness”, and his defence was that he didn’t realise the extent of crimes being committed.
    He acknowledged hearing screams from the camp's gas chambers and watching as corpses were taken to be burned.
    "The images of misery and horror have haunted me my entire life," he testified, under oath.


    Reinhold Hanning, a former Nazi SS guard was charged in 2016 with being an accessory to 170,000 murders.
    He denied knowledge of a large-scale, deliberate, killing campaign, and apologised for doing nothing to prevent the Holocaust atrocities he witnessed at Auschwitz, saying ,

    ”I am ashamed that I saw injustice and never did anything about it, and I apologise for my actions. I want to say that it disturbs me deeply that I was part of
    such a criminal organisation. People were shot, gassed and burned. I could see how corpses were taken back and forth or moved out. I could smell the burning bodies."


    And the amazing Oskar Groening, of course. After 40 years of anonymity, he came forward to make public his role at Auschwitz -
    AFTER LEARNING ABOUT THE FACT THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO DENY THE TRUTH OF THE HOLOCAUST.

    He was so horrified that he chose to publicly denounce people who maintain the events he witnessed never happened, and incriminated himself rather than allow them
    to peddle their lies. He was tried in 2015 and found guilty of facilitating mass murder.

    He said his message to Holocaust deniers was:
    "I saw everything," he writes. "The gas chambers, the cremations, the selection process. One and a half million Jews were murdered in Auschwitz. I was there."



    To repeat:
    Why did no SS officer, Nazi soldier or Nazi official - out of the hundreds and hundreds who have been tried in court - ever deny the Holocaust?
    Why did they all either state that they were ignorant of the events of the Holocaust, or that they were just following orders?
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    Quote Let's take a break from all the hate propaganda that is being posted here.
    translation:

    The above info is such a good case for there not having been any gas chambers that I'd better not even try to obfuscate it as I'll just end up looking silly.


    Regarding the testimonies you referred to:

    The court systems in the US and Europe are all part of the establishment and under the control of the shadow government. They can manipulate what happens and what's said in a trial to make it fit and add to their propaganda. They control the media so if something is said that they don't want to get out, the media won't report it.

    http://www.thismodernworld.org/arc/1...ntion-span.gif

    https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...sky+media&aq=f

    William Schaap & Louis Wolff - Air date: 07-13-98
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=ES&hl=es&v=Wi5h3vZl6uo

    William Schaap - Media, CIA, FBI, and Disinfo 1
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5rdRlOSBoY

    http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Me...l_Chomsky.html

    https://chomsky.info/199710__/

    http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Me...dia_watch.html

    http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Pr...anda_page.html

    http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Me...a_Control.html

    https://cassiopaea.org/cass/official_culture.htm

    FOX News Whistle blowers. UNBELIEVABLE!!!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=ES&hl=es&v=trWcqxrQgcc


    Please address the points I made in my last post.

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    Sorry to butt in here,

    been reading this thread and am impressed with the cut-and-thrust of your debate, it's refreshing to see a measured discussion without resorting to insulting one another and especially on a topic that is controversial, to say the least.

    I've a legitimate question that I've wanted to ask for some time.

    I remember reading, many years ago, about two men (I'm sure one was a scientist) that managed to take some scrapings from the inside walls of one of the gas chambers from either Auschwitz or Belsen and smuggle them to the USA. Upon testing these pieces of render, the results showed that there were no chemical traces at all of the gas that was supposedly used in the chambers.

    Is this information correct?

    Many thanks.
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    Hi Moss Trooper - great to have someone else butting in

    I think you’re thinking of Fred A Leuchter, a sad little man who got himself way in over his head and was humiliated in a very public way.
    He set himself up as an expert witness in execution techniques at the trial of Eurst Zundel: turned out he had no qualifications in either
    engineering or toxicology, had no experience of either and absolutely no understanding of the Nazi camps. For example, he stated that "nothing had changed" at
    Auschwitz Birkenau since 1941 or 42 when, in reality, all the crematoria and gas chambers at Birkenau were destroyed under orders from
    Himmler. He also said that the gas chambers were not ventilated (they were) and that using poisoned gas in the chambers would have
    killed everyone outside as well!

    If you're heavily in to chemistry, there is a more recent and far more detailed report of the investigation (carried out by Polish scientists) of the gas chamber's ruins
    and the quantitative determination of cyanide residues in the gas chamber's walls with the catchy title: "A Study of the Cyanide Compounds Content In The Walls
    Of The Gas Chambers in the Former Auschwitz and Birkenau Concentration Camp
    s" by Jan Markiewicz, Wojciech Gubala and Jerzy Labedz of Cracow Forensic Institute.

    The Final Remarks of that report read:

    The present study shows that in spite of the passage of a considerable period of time (over 45 years) in the walls of the facilities which once were in contact with hydrogen cyanide the vestigial amounts of the combinations of this constituent of Zyklon B have been preserved. This is also true of the ruins of the former gas chambers. The cyanide compounds occur in the building materials only locally, in the places where the conditions arose for their formation and persistence for such a long time. In his reasoning Leuchter (2) claims that the vestigial amounts of cyanide combinations detected by him in the materials from the chamber ruins are residues left after fumigations carried out in the Camp "once, long ago"(Item 14.004 of the Report). This is refuted by the negative results of the examination of the control samples from living quarters, which are said to have been subjected to a single gassing, and the fact that in the period of fumigation of the Camp in connection with a typhoid epidemic in mid-1942 there were still no crematoria in the Birkenau Camp. The first crematorium (Crematorium II) was put to use as late as 15 March 1943 and the others several months later

    As a result of his erroneous conclusions, Leuchter, of course, subsequently lost his job as consultant to prisons in the US.
    There is a documentary film about his exposure as a fraud and liar called “Mr Death: The Rise and Fall of Fred A Leuchter”.


    I won’t go on Suffice to say, his ‘report’ has been completely discredited - the judge at the trial called his methodology “ridiculous” and
    “preposterous”. There is lots of analysis of his claims out there - here are a couple of sites if you’re interested :

    https://www.hdot.org/debunking-denia...uchter-report/
    https://www.nizkor.org/leuchter-fred/
    https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-...lue/index.html
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leuchter_report
    here https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-...olf/affweb.pdf

    I'm not a scientist but according to the testimony of the manager of the lab that carried out the analysis on the samples, cyanide would only have penetrated 10 micrometres
    into the walls (a tenth of the thickness of a human hair). Leuchter clearly didn’t know this, and therefore did not ask the lab to carry out the tests on the surface of the samples
    tests. Not having been told this, the lab ground up the mix of brick, mortar and concrete samples - thus diluting the cyanide content to the point where it was unidentifiable
    using the technology of that time.

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    Thanks for the detailed reply Loungelizard.

    It's such a minefield of information, this subject. I didn't realise that Mr Leuchter had been discredited and exposed as a fraud......... This must be the guy I was thinking of as as soon as you mentioned the trial of Eurst Zundel, that rang a bell in my head.

    I have to say, this thread has been compelling reading, for me anyway.

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    I don't think he's been proven to be a fraud. A guy with credentials confirmed what he concluded.

    https://codoh.com/library/document/t...r-illusion/en/
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    In 1988 the scientific team of Fred Leuchter (a US execution-expert "Mr Death" in gas-chamber technology) visited Poland, and concluded that the Auschwitz "gas chambers" could not possibly have functioned in the alleged manner – i.e., they were not gas chambers[2]. In the following years, others would confirm the accuracy of his seminal, "Leuchter Report" . The German chemist Germar Rudolf, who worked at the Max Plank institute for Solid State Physics, is now in jail, because he likewise measured the high levels of the cyanide in the walls of the de-lousing chambers. It happens that this gas bonds permanently with iron, and iron is present in all the cement etc of stone walls. Whereas, he found none in the walls of what were supposed to be the "gas chambers" which were mainly shower units. He thereby confirmed the work of Leuchter who likewise only found remains of the cyanide gas-insecticide in the de-lousing chambers
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    Moss Trooper - you're soooo right - it is a minefield, and it's all too easy to be taken in by seemingly credible claims. You really have to do the research. Thankfully, there are many professional academics and scholars who dedicate a lot of time to helping people sort the wheat from the chaff because they believe that confronting those who deny genocide is an important thing to do. There's one great guy - Dr Nick Terry - who is an associate professor of history at Exeter University (in the UK) who has been researching the phenomenon of Holocaust denial for over 10 years. Needless to say, he's faced a fair bit of venom from all those neo-Nazis out there ...

    Oh, and Leuchter ended up being charged with fraudulently practicing engineering: to avoid a trial, he signed a consent agreement stating "I am not and have never been registered as a professional engineer". I almost feel sorry for the man.
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    David Irving?

    Yes or No??

    Open question to the floor.
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    Quote Posted by Cosmored (here)
    Regarding the testimonies you referred to:

    The court systems in the US and Europe are all part of the establishment and under the control of the shadow government. They can manipulate what happens and what's said in a trial to make it fit and add to their propaganda. They control the media so if something is said that they don't want to get out, the media won't report it.
    I can’t understand this answer to my question about why no Nazis have ever denied the reality of the Holocaust, either when under oath in court or in the decades since.

    Are you saying that all the thousands of people who have testified in court all actually stated that the gas chambers did not exist? And that the courts records and
    media then altered all these statements made under oath? And no one noticed??

    The key question that arises from your response is ... WHO ARE "THEY"?

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    David Irving?

    Yes or No??

    Open question to the floor.
    I’m afraid that would be a resounding “No” Unless you have a penchant for Nazi sympathisers and seek to rehabilitate the Third Reich.

    Here is what professional historians have said about his work over the decades:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critic...o_David_Irving

    Again, his is a bit of a sad case (as are many of the best known Holocaust deniers). He hung on to a tenuous reputation as a good researcher
    and a controversial history writer for a while, but the libel case he brought against Professor Deborah Lipstadt exposed his repeated distortion
    of history in favour of his far-right ideology. He lost the case, and the entire trial, along with all supporting documentation is available online.
    The book, “Lying About Hitler” by the key defence witness, Richard J. Evans, professor of modern history at Cambridge, collates all the material
    Evans acquired during his 3 years of research into Irving’s original sources in the libraries and research institutes of Europe. He describes it as
    “a catalogue of instances of his deliberate mistranslation and selective quotation that proved beyond any doubt the assertion that Irving's historical
    method was directed, as his detractors claimed, by his obsessive mission to 'rehabilitate' Hitler.”


    The judge said of Irving:
    "The content of his speeches and interviews often displays a distinctly pro-Nazi and anti-Jewish bias.
    He makes surprising and often unfounded assertions about the Nazi regime which tend to exonerate the Nazis for the appalling atrocities which
    they inflicted on the Jews. He is content to mix with neo-fascists and appears to share many of their racist and anti-Semitic prejudices.
    The picture of Irving which emerges from the evidence of his extra-curricular activities reveals him to be a rightwing pro-Nazi polemicist.
    In my view, the defendants have established that Irving has a political agenda. It is one which, it is legitimate to infer, disposes him, where he
    deems it necessary, to manipulate the historical record in order to make it conform with his political beliefs….
    This is a defeat for the Holocaust denial industry and the bigotry that lies behind it."


    Of course, he’s still at it. Ideologues don't readily change their spots. A couple of years ago, he gave a secret talk to London Forum, a far right,
    neo-Nazi, white supremacist group based in the UK. The meeting was infiltrated by a reporter from The Independent
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a7719291.html

    Irving had some notoriety and enjoyed his image as a maverick. He’s now consigned to the the scrapheap of racist liars who try to peddle their repulsive ideology
    under the guise of respectable and legitimate historical research. And the sad thing is that he brought it down all by himself, and wasted all the promise he showed in past years.

    Who chooses to take seriously a man who composed this nursery rhyme for his baby daughter?

    "I am a Baby Aryan,
    Not Jewish or Sectarian.
    I have no plans to marry
    An ape or Rastafarian."

    From another thread here on PA, Cosmored wrote "I suppose it's possible for racists to be objective historians."
    http://http://projectavalon.net/foru...=1#post1375337

    No. It's not.
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    Thinking people don't take what the establishment says as fact. Thinking people will listen to what David Irving says and decide for themselves.

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    Here's some more stuff I just came across.

    Video Diesels, Gas Wagons & Zyklon B
    https://ia800905.us.archive.org/13/i...F3OQfBeIIU.mp4
    https://ia800905.us.archive.org/30/i...eO3b_P1Q_g.mp4


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    More info...
    https://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Holoca...diesel_exhaust
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    Instead of filling your head with the corrosive ideology of Zundel, here’s a video that’s actually worth watching.

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    Cosmored

    Could you have another go at trying to explain why no bureaucrats, Nazis, SS officers or Gestapo ever denied the reality of the events of the Holocaust, as your original answer made no sense, I’m afraid.

    And again, I have to ask - who are the “they” you keep referring to in post 265?

    Thanks.
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    In the meantime, here's another question for you:

    Where did the 6 million go?

    In 1939, there were approximately 16.6 million Jews worldwide ( 0.8% of the global population)
    The majority of them – 9.5 million (57%) – lived in Europe.

    In 1945, the Jewish population of Europe had shrunk to 3.8 million, or 35% of the world’s 11 million Jews.

    The global Jewish population was estimated (by Pew) at 14m in 2010. That is less than before WW2.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...sh-population/

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    Quote Could you have another go at trying to explain why no bureaucrats, Nazis, SS officers or Gestapo ever denied the reality of the events of the Holocaust, as your original answer made no sense, I’m afraid.
    I think you're being deliberately obtuse. You're basing your assumption on what the mainstream media say. If any of those people you cite were to deny the holocaust, the media wouldn't report it so we don't know if any of them really denied the Holocaust or not. Go back and read the info on the media in post #265.


    Quote And again, I have to ask - who are the “they” you keep referring to in post 265?

    Thanks.
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-tr...ning-now/13808
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/search...Group&x=3&y=10


    Quote Where did the 6 million go?
    You're assuming that your source is credible. There are other sources that say different things.

    http://vho.org/GB/Books/thottc/5.html
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    The problems inherent in a demographic study are formidable. First, all sources of post-war primary data are private Jewish or Communist sources (exclusively the latter in the all important cases of Russia and Poland). Second, it appears that one can get whatever results desired by consulting the appropriately selected pre-war and post-war sources. Consider world Jewish population. The 1939 study of Arthur Ruppin, Professor of Jewish Sociology at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, gave 16,717,000 Jews in the world in 1938.[20] Because Ruppin (who passed away in 1943) was considered the foremost expert on such matters, on account of many writings on the subject over a period of many years, the estimates of other pre-war sources tend to agree with him. Thus, the American Jewish Committee estimate for 1933, which appears in the 1940 World Almanac, was 15,315,359. The World Almanac figure for 1945 is 15,192,089 (page 367); no source is given, but the figure is apparently based on some sort of religious census. The 1946 World Almanac revised this to 15,753,638, a figure which was retained in the editions of 1947 (page 748), 1948 (page 572), and 1949 (page 289). The 1948 World Almanac (page 249) also gives the American Jewish Committee estimate for 1938 (sic), 15,688,259 while the 1949 World Almanac (page 204) reports new figures from the American Jewish Committee, which were developed in 1947-1948: 16,643,120 in 1939 and 11,266,600 in 1947.
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    https://codoh.com/library/document/w...ropes-jews/en/
    http://www.zundelsite.org/archive/en...e/006_jam.html
    http://www.zundelsite.org/archive/en...te/015-18.html
    http://www.zundelsite.org/archive/en...e/036_jam.html


    This is all second-hand info so we have to look at the physical evidence.
    https://holocaustdeprogrammingcourse.com/


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    I'd like to hear your response to what's in post #275.
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    I googled around and found thisl.

    https://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Holoca...onial_evidence
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    Revisionists argue that Holocaust camp personnel "denying" the Holocaust were often punished in various ways, including torture and harsher sentences, as discussed in more detail in the section "Trial confessions". Despite this, some rejected the politically correct version.

    Richard Baer was an Auschwitz commandant and planned to be the main defendant at the Frankfurt Auschwitz trials. According to various sources, Baer refused to confirm the existence of homicidal gas chambers, shortly before his alleged suicide.[10][11]

    Karl Höcker, adjutant to Baer, stated that prisoners were principally not killed.[12]

    Robert Mulka, adjutant to Auschwitz commandant Rudolf Höss, denied any knowledge of homicidal gassings.[13]

    During the postwar period, to his son and in private writings, Joseph Mengele rejected that he had been involved in atrocities and stated that he had instead saved many lives at Auschwitz.[14]

    Also other Auschwitz personnel, such as Johann Breyer and Fritz Gaar, have rejected the politically correct view.[15][16]

    Fritz Frenzel, Hermann Hagerhoff, and Walter Otto (Auschwitz guards) and Ernst Romeikat and Theodor Grewe (Auschwitz administration of inmate property) all stated that they had no personal knowledge of the alleged mass killings.[17]

    Thies Christophersen, stationed at Auschwitz, and author of the book The Auschwitz Lie, also rejected the politically correct view.[18]

    Sobibor deputy commander Gustav Wagner and officer Kurt Bolender reportedly denied the politically correct view, shortly before their alleged suicides.[10]
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    Another example of rejecting the politically correct version was the senior engineer Walter Schreiber, who was responsible for constructions in Auschwitz, including of several alleged homicidal gas chambers. He asked his testimony to be published only after his death since "knowledge about these facts is dangerous".[26]

    German National Railway General Director Julius Dorpmüller stated after the war that he had heard nothing of the alleged Jewish "death trains".[27]

    Wilhelm Stäglich, a German postwar judge, stated that he had visited Auschwitz several times during the war and did not see any evidence of a genocide.[28]

    Albert Hoffmann, deputy Gauleiter of Silesia, visited Auschwitz together with Himmler and stated that "what Allied propaganda is now claiming, that is totally untrue."[29]

    Rudolf Göckel was a station master who became a liaison between the Belzec train station and the Belzec camp. In this position, he would have had an excellent overview of the trains arriving at or leaving the camp. He described the camp as a transit camp.[27]

    Marian Olszuk passed close by the Treblinka camp every day, as he went to work at a quarry. When he worked on the family plot, he was also right near the "extermination camp." The camp was small and practically devoid of trees or large shrubbery. As a result, the neighboring farm folk and passers-by could easily observe, through the barbed-wire fence, the prisoners and the guards, as well as the various buildings of a camp that is now said to have been ultra-secret. Olszuk never noticed any signs of homicidal activities.[30] This despite the politically correct version stating very large cremation and burial pits in the camp.

    Alfred Franke-Gricksch, an SS officer, allegedly wrote a report on Auschwitz, which has been criticized as a forgery and that even non-revisionists rarely mention today. More recently, the real report has been argued to have been discovered, stating nothing on gassings, and contradicting that "Aktion Reinhardt" involved mass killings.[22] See also the article on Alfred Franke-Gricksch.

    Herman Kruk, a librarian at the Vilnius ghetto in Lithuania, wrote in his diary on Jews from the Netherlands and other Western European countries being transported through Vilnius to destinations further to the east, contradicting the politically correct version. He also wrote on having contacts with Jews from the Łódż Ghetto, who had been sent to work in the east and who knew of no mass killings at the Łódż Ghetto, despite these Jews supposedly having been gassed at the Chelmno camp.[27]

    Many witnesses have stated the presence of Dutch and French Jews in Minsk, which contradicts the politically correct version. One list states eleven such witnesses (both Jews and non-Jews). The revisionist authors in addition stated that "For the most part, the existence of the above-mentioned witness statements have been revealed to the world via sparse footnotes in isolated exterminationist publications. How many more such testimonies are gathering dust in archives, ignored by orthodox holocaust historians?"[27]


    The Jewish Holocaust revisionist Joseph G. Burg.
    In 1988, at one of Ernst Zundel's Holocaust trials, the Jewish Holocaust revisionist Joseph G. Burg testified that he after the end of the war, in 1945, had visited Auschwitz and had also visited Majdanek, had spoken to hundreds of people who had serviced and operated the crematoria, and had concluded that no homicidal gas chambers existed and that there had been no plan to exterminate the Jews of Europe.[31]

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