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    Quote Posted by Cosmored (here)
    Supposedly the most dreaded of German camps, Auschwitz was repeatedly visited by Red Cross inspection teams who were allowed to speak to prisoner representatives alone, in order to hear first-hand of any mistreatment, chicanery, interruption of mail and parcel delivery, health concerns, food and ration matters etc. No such visits took place - ever! - to Soviet Gulag camps.
    This is a lie.

    Visits were forbidden by the Nazis and the German Red Cross. The fact is that there was only ever one visit by the ICRC to Auschwitz.

    On 27 September 1944, Dr Maurice Rossel, a representative of the ICRC, arrived - unannounced - at Auschwitz, where he managed to speak to someone he presumed
    was the commander of the camp, but he was not permitted entry to the camp.

    Rossel gave an interview talking about his visit to Auschwitz; it’s quite long so here are a few of the his statements:

    …but we saw nothing of what was going on there.

    We had to get information, as much as possible, try to go there to see, try to go at least to the Kommandatur to take inventory of the various camps,
    to see them, see where they are. But in no case will you be covered by the ICRC, because we have no right to send you there.

    But with nylon stockings for their (the guards) sweethearts it was possible to get them to look the other way, and it was possible to get to a camp
    commander, so I was able to get in Auschwitz.

    La: But you did have an authorization to go to Auschwitz?
    
Rossel: None, none, none, none.

    La: But you were still expected there?

    Rossel: Not at all, not at all. There was no authorization, you did not get any written authorization, nothing. At that time I would have been barred at departure.

    I asked him (the Kommandatur) questions where.... he went with great evasion ...

    I asked him...if it would be possible that we would support the infirmary, that we would visit....

    He said: – No, these are internees, you have no right to see whatever.

    LA: And what did you see of the camp?
    
Rossel: Nothing. Of the camp. I saw barracks. I saw those from where I was.

    La: Barracks for...
    
Rossel: Military barracks...

    La: Of wood?
    
Rossel: Wooden barracks. They were.... Possibly they were barracks for the guards.

    La: And you did not suspect anything of Birkenau, for example?
    
Rossel: No, Birkenau, I did not....
    
La: An extermination camp which is one kilometer away from the main camp.

    Rossel: No. Exactly, nothing.

    They (the Germans) had the impression that they were doing something useful.

    I made my little report of a visit to the Kommandatur of Auschwitz. But, you know... really, this is awfully little. I could do no more.


    https://collections.ushmm.org/film_f..._01_trl_en.pdf


    The ICRC has since made several statements regarding its many failures during WW2. For example:

    On the 60th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz, the ICRC termed the episode ‘the greatest 
failure in its history'.
    see: http://www.icrc.org/eng/resources/do...ent/68zeb2.htm (last visited 11 August 2012) 


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    Quote In your own words rather than just cutting and pasting someone else's, what do you understand by these extracts from Himmler's secret Posen Speeches to the SS on 4th & 6th October 1943?
    I've been kind of busy so, for now, I'll just post this info for the viewers to start checking out.
    https://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Posen_speeches
    https://en.metapedia.org/wiki/World_...st_revisionism

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    Metapedia?? So, you’re still putting all your faith in a fully fledged Nazi?
    I’m assuming you realise that racists and fascists like Anders Lagerstrom aren’t known for taking a rational, unbiased and scholarly approach to historical events...

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    Something doesn’t add up here.

    You’ve stated here that you think white supremacists are morons.
    You’ve stated on another forum (for weed enthusiasts) that you are an “anti-Nazi” (whatever you mean by that).

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    Those statements are clearly not true, as the material you post here is propaganda put out by white supremacists, far right extremists, anti-Semites and neo-Nazis.


    Your behaviour is therefore is duplicitous. Holocaust denial is not a reasoned, alternative viewpoint: it is deceitful and hateful polemics, thinly disguised under a pseudo-academic wrapping.
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    Quote Posted by Cosmored (here)
    Quote In your own words rather than just cutting and pasting someone else's, what do you understand by these extracts from Himmler's secret Posen Speeches to the SS on 4th & 6th October 1943?
    I've been kind of busy so, for now, I'll just post this info for the viewers to start checking out.
    https://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Posen_speeches
    https://en.metapedia.org/wiki/World_...st_revisionism


    A favourite tactic of deniers, when desperately trying to explain away Himmler’s Posen speeches, is to start to try and play with the words in the speech,
    such as suggested that the word "ausrotten" [or "ausrottung"] is benign and doesn’t, in fact, mean “extermination”. They completely ignore the analyses
    of the term by native German language experts, such Klemperer in his book “The Language of the Third Reich”.

    As an example: Carlos Porter attempts to spin Himmler's Posen speech of 4th October, 1943 into a harmless form by stating that, “ausrotten” should be
    read as upon 'extirpation'. This is pointless semantics, because 'extirpation' can still mean extermination if used in a particular context, as explained by
    Professor Peter Longerich (a German professor or history and a leading authority on the Holocaust): he also translates 'ausrotten' as 'extirpation', and states that:
    [COLOR="red"]“I have not yet found a single example of Hitler or Himmler using the term "ausrotten" during the Second World War with respect to human beings
    or a group of human beings other than in the sense of "to kill in large numbers or to kill all as far as possible
    .”

    Read Himmler’s speech in full. He was not speaking figuratively when he used the term “ausrotten”: he was referring literally to mass genocidal killing of women
    and children. What else can “Most of you know what it means when 100 bodies lie together, when 500 lie there, or if 1,000 lie there. To have gone through this,
    and at the same time, apart from exceptions caused by human weaknesses, to have remained decent, that has made us hard”
    mean?

    In the following paragraph, Himmler makes his meaning even clearer by referring directly to a genocide of this people:
    We had the moral right, we had the duty to our own people, to kill this people which wanted to kill us.
    In the next paragraph he admits that "we eradicated a bacillus".

    If this is not enough context to prove the correct meaning of 'ausrotten' in Himmler's first Posen speech, we have further context from a follow-up speech made two days later at the same venue:

    We came to the question: How is it with the women and children? I decided to find a clear solution here as well. I did not consider myself justified to exterminate the men - that is, to kill them or have them killed - and allow the avengers of our sons and grandsons in the form of their children to grow up. The difficult decision had to be taken to make this people disappear from the earth.

    He then reiterated this meaning in a further speech at Sonthofen on 24th May 1944:
    As to the Jewish women and children, I did not believe I had a right to let these children grow up to become avengers who would kill our fathers and
    grandchildren. That, I thought, would be cowardly. Thus the problem was solved without half-measures.




    No amount of scrabbling around by deniers desperate to try to find grammatical errors and suggesting alternative translations in an effort to suggest that Himmler was some kind of
    benign father figure will ever be able to prove that these words mean anything other than the implementation of The Final Solution.

    Himmler's meaning is unequivocal.
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    Default Re: Adolf Hitler - The Greatest Story Never Told

    Metapedia is a much better source of info than the mainstream. I already showed you this.
    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1380687
    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1379571

    You can play it down but the viewers are looking at it.

    I'll be back in a day or two. I'm busy with work right now.


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    Your response to this was really lame.
    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1382925

    This is a clear example of why the mainstream can't be trusted and you just brushed it off.
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    https://archive.org/details/ReportOf...7%29%20Vol%201
    Quote Certainly. I'll do more than that - using the excellent search facility, it took me all of 2 minutes to find a couple of examples:

    "Under National Socialism, the Jews had become in truth outcasts, condemned by rigid racial legislation to suffer tyranny, persecution and systematic extermination...
    They were penned into concentration camps and ghettos, recruited for forced labour, subjected to grave brutalities and sent to death camps, without anyone being
    allowed to intervene in those matters which Germany and her allies considered to be exclusively within the bounds of their home policy. "(Volume 1, p. 641)

    "In Germany and the countries occupied by her, or under her domination, especially Hungary, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Rumania and Jugoslavia 1, no other section of the population endured
    such humiliation, privation and suffering. Deprived of all treaty protection, persecuted in accordance with the National-Socialist doctrine and threatened with extermination, the Jews were,
    in the last resort, generally deported in the most inhuman manner, shut up in concentration camps, subjected to forced labour or put to death." (Volume 3, 513)

    "At 7 a.m. the first group of one hundred women arrived - it was a terrible and pathetic sight to see these poor creatures, famished, dirty, frightened and suspicious - they could not believe
    they were to be set free, and took me for an agent of the SS, sent to fetch them for the gas chamber."
    (Volume 1, p. 625)
    The first quote is something to think about. It still doesn't make the physical proof* go away though.

    There are plausible scenarios that would explain this so that one quote is not proof that there were gas chambers.
    They were writing the report until June of 1947. Maybe the Red Cross bent to pressure not to contradict the official story. Maybe the writer heard about the gas chambers but didn't actually see them and repeated what he or she simply heard.
    This falls far short of a testimony from a Red Cross representative saying that he or she had actually seen a gassing.

    The second quote doesn't mention gas chambers. The revisionists don't dispute the idea that some prisoners were put to death by shooting or hanging.

    The third one certainly doesn't prove anything.


    Let's hear your analysis of the info in post #336.


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    https://codoh.com/library/categories...-gas-chambers/
    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1385408
    http://www.flinttalk.com/viewtopic.php?t=12196&start=0
    (post #2)

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    Quote Posted by Cosmored (here)
    https://archive.org/details/ReportOf...7%29%20Vol%201
    Quote Certainly. I'll do more than that - using the excellent search facility, it took me all of 2 minutes to find a couple of examples:

    "Under National Socialism, the Jews had become in truth outcasts, condemned by rigid racial legislation to suffer tyranny, persecution and systematic extermination...
    They were penned into concentration camps and ghettos, recruited for forced labour, subjected to grave brutalities and sent to death camps, without anyone being
    allowed to intervene in those matters which Germany and her allies considered to be exclusively within the bounds of their home policy. "(Volume 1, p. 641)

    "In Germany and the countries occupied by her, or under her domination, especially Hungary, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Rumania and Jugoslavia 1, no other section of the population endured
    such humiliation, privation and suffering. Deprived of all treaty protection, persecuted in accordance with the National-Socialist doctrine and threatened with extermination, the Jews were,
    in the last resort, generally deported in the most inhuman manner, shut up in concentration camps, subjected to forced labour or put to death." (Volume 3, 513)

    "At 7 a.m. the first group of one hundred women arrived - it was a terrible and pathetic sight to see these poor creatures, famished, dirty, frightened and suspicious - they could not believe
    they were to be set free, and took me for an agent of the SS, sent to fetch them for the gas chamber."
    (Volume 1, p. 625)
    The first quote is something to think about. It still doesn't make the physical proof* go away though.

    There are plausible scenarios that would explain this so that one quote is not proof that there were gas chambers.
    They were writing the report until June of 1947. Maybe the Red Cross bent to pressure not to contradict the official story. Maybe the writer heard about the gas chambers but didn't actually see them and repeated what he or she simply heard.
    This falls far short of a testimony from a Red Cross representative saying that he or she had actually seen a gassing.

    The second quote doesn't mention gas chambers. The revisionists don't dispute the idea that some prisoners were put to death by shooting or hanging.

    The third one certainly doesn't prove anything.

    Why are you referring to gas chambers here?
    You seem to have forgotten that those extracts from the ICRC report were presented to prove just one of the myriad of lies in Richard Verrall’s pamphlet you refer to in post 333.

    To remind you: Verrall stated that the IRCR “… found no evidence whatever at the camps in Axis occupied Europe of a deliberate policy to exterminate the Jews.

    That is a lie, as shown by the 3 quotations from the ICRC report in post 340. Simples.

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    Quote Posted by Cosmored (here)
    Metapedia is a much better source of info than the mainstream.
    Better at promoting a pro-Aryan, pro-fascist, pro-Nazi, racist, antisemitic, Islamophobic, misogynistic, white supremacist, homophobic agenda, you mean?

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    Quote Better at promoting a pro-Aryan, pro-fascist, pro-Nazi, racist, antisemitic, Islamophobic, misogynistic, white supremacist, homophobic agenda, you mean?
    The info in post #345 shows what I mean.
    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1387401

    Let's hear your analysis of the info in post #336.

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    Quote Posted by Cosmored (here)

    Let's hear your analysis of the info in post #336.
    I’d normally be happy to oblige … but here’s my problem.

    You don’t want any analysis. You’ve never responded in your own words to anything written here, but just paste walls of text copy from denialist sites.
    You either dismiss everything I’ve taken the time to write with blanket accusations of sophistry or completely ignore carefully composed responses,
    preferring to taunt in an attempt to provoke an emotional response.

    You’re not interested in investigating the evidence of the Holocaust. I’ve read back over this thread, and it’s clear you have absolutely no interest in
    finding out anything about the events of the Holocaust itself: for almost TEN years, it seems you have been writing on forums, repeating a series of
    identical phrases while attempting to appear sincere and open-minded, but with the actual aim of spreading Nazi propaganda. The material you’re posting
    on those other forums is identical to the stuff you are posting here, and many of the rebuttals I’ve made have been made by members of other forums
    (using much more forceful language ), and yet you completely ignore everyone, never waivering in your blind pursuit of pushing the National Socialist
    agenda. Your mindset and belief system have not changed in a decade. None of the irrefutable evidence that you’ve been presented with over that time
    has made even the tiniest shift in your obsessive viewpoint. And that’s worrying.

    So I looked into your online activity, and it was very educational. I've cut and pasted just some of your postings from a couple of thread you’re running
    on other forums (and you say you’ve been a member of about 100!): it’s soooo repetitive - aren’t you getting bored?!

    I haven't taken a firm stand on anything yet
    Don't get me wrong. I'm not taking a firm stand: I just want to get at the truth
    I don't see how we can verify anything from either side
    I'm not in a position to know what the truth is.
    I've only scanned this but it looks good.
    I'm not in a position to be able to verify anything
    My position is that I'm not sure so I'm not taking a firm position but I think the revisionist version sounds plausible.
    I haven't formed any firm opinions
    I don't see anything there that debunks the info
    I'm not in a position to be able to verify anything
    My position is that I'm not sure so I'm not taking a firm position but I think the revisionist version sounds plausible.
    I haven't formed any firm opinions
    Don't get me wrong. I'm not taking a firm stand: I just want to get at the truth
    Don't get me wrong. I haven't formed a firm opinion on this.
    I don't see how we can verify anything from either side
    All we have is a bunch of contradictory second-hand information. Why are you so sure your version reflects reality? Tell us your source.
    I'm not in a position to be able to verify any numbers
    To be sure of what happened, we'd have to talk to lots of people who were there and I'm not in a postion to be able to do that.
    I don't rule out this turning out to be total BS but we ought to be objective and unemotional about it. I haven't seen the rebuttals to this yet. Somebody please post some if you know of any.
    By whom, government sophists?
    It's possible to find quite a few people who are willing to lie
    Whenever one of its scams gets exposed, they send an army of sophists to try to control the damage.
    I haven't seen the rebuttals to this yet. Somebody please post some.
    If all we hve are documents to look at, we have no idea if the data are real or bogus.
    I just came across this and have just watched the three minutes but I won't have time to finish watching it for a few days so I'm posting it anyway.
    Here's an on-line book I just found but I haven’t read it yet.
    I just came across another on-line book.
    I've found some more stuff.
    I haven't seen the rebuttals to this yet. Somebody please post some.
    I've only scanned this but it looks good.
    I'm not in a position to know what the truth is.
    I keep finding more stuff.
    I've only watched the first few minutes of this but I'm posting it anyway.
    This site seems pretty objective.
    I just came across this site and I haven't had time to check it out but I'm posting it anyway.
    I haven't taken a firm stand on the Holocaust but here's some alternative info I've collected on it.
    I have't had time to watch this video either but it looks promising so I'm posting it without having watched it first.
    I haven't had time to read it but it looks promising so I'm posting it anyway.
    I just came across this. I haven't started reading it yet.
    A lot of "Actual historians" are propogandists.
    I won't have time to check it out until tomorrow as this cybercafe is about to close but everyone else can take a look.


    Are you on some kind of mission? Reading through that list, I could almost believe that rumour that you’re in the pay of Burt Colucci and the NSM …

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    Quote I’d normally be happy to oblige … but here’s my problem.
    Translation:
    This is such clear evidence that the gas chambers are a myth that I'll just look silly if I try to obfuscate it so I'd better avoid the issue with a lame excuse.

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    Words have power.

    All genocides start with words; campaigns of hateful misinformation, distortion and lies, all presented as being legitimate. "Us" and "them".
    The demonisation of "others". Propaganda spreads the rhetoric of hatred, and euphemisms are established. And the actions follow easily -
    segregation, deportation, expropriation, massacres, extermination.

    And then denial starts up: some (usually the perpetrators, but not in the case of the Holocaust) deny the existence of any crimes, and the cycle starts again.

    Tonight is the anniversary of Kristallnacht - the Night of Broken Glass. It was a turning point in the history of the Third Reich, marking the shift from antisemitic
    rhetoric and legislation to the violent, aggressive anti-Jewish measures that would culminate with the Holocaust.



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    A lot of terrible stuff happened and the revisionists don't dispute it. They just want to separate the lies and exaggerations from reality. Look in post #1 of this thread to help put things into context though.
    http://www.flinttalk.com/viewtopic.php?t=12196&start=0


    Please give us your analysis of the info in post #366.

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1385408

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    Quote Posted by Cosmored (here)
    A lot of terrible stuff happened ...
    No, 'terrible stuff' didn't 'happen'. Thousands of horrific crimes against humanity were carefully planned and carried out deliberately by the Nazi regime.

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    PS I'm in the middle of a big work project at the moment, but will reply to 336 at some point.
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    Quote No, 'terrible stuff' didn't 'happen'. Thousands of horrific crimes against humanity were carefully planned and carried out deliberately by the Nazi regime.
    All those pictures are consistent with the theory that there were typhus epidemics and starvation in the camps.


    This site disappeared but I saved an excerpt.

    http://nazigassings.com/
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    There are NO photographs of corpses of Nazi gassing victims. The cheap, dirty trick which really makes the hoax succeed is the wilful misuse of pictures of countless sick and dead in the camps at the end of the war—none of which are of people killed in gas chambers—but which are repeatedly shown to give the false impression that millions of people must have been murdered in gas chambers. There really is no direct connection--but for the more than gullible masses, the connection is “undeniable.” The people who show those pictures are all in on the trick. They all know perfectly well that the pictures are of people who died of other causes such as typhus—but they use the pictures anyway for their powerful psychological effect to precondition their audience for the gassing and mass extermination pitch which inevitably follows. The pictures are irrelevant except for their enormous shock value. Pictures of countless healthy prisoners in the same camps are generally not shown for reasons that are all too obvious. This delibeerate misuse of photographs is rather widespread and illustrates the collective eagerness of many people (the “hoaxers“ or co-conspirators in the hoax), especially in the American media, to throw whatever they can find against the Nazis, SS and Germans generally just like spiteful children. They want to believe in the hoax.
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    Quote Posted by Cosmored (here)
    All those pictures are consistent with the theory that there were typhus epidemics and starvation in the camps.

    That’s a nifty skill you have there - diagnosing cause of death just from glancing at some grainy old photos.
    Particularly as one of them depicts a soldier shooting a woman, and another is of a Roma man being forcibly subjected to a medical experiment.

    Yes, hundreds of thousands died slow and agonising deaths from a whole variety of diseases, including typhus. What is your point here?

    Are you somehow implying that those who were responsible for forcibly removing innocent people from their homes and imprisoning them
    in ghettoes and camps, denying them basic sanitation, medical treatment and food so that hundreds of thousands died of disease were not guilty
    of committing crimes against humanity?

    Typhus was not the killer.

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    Quote Are you somehow implying that those who were responsible for forcibly removing innocent people from their homes and imprisoning them
    in ghettoes and camps, denying them basic sanitation, medical treatment and food so that hundreds of thousands died of disease were not guilty
    of committing crimes against humanity?
    Quote Particularly as one of them depicts a soldier shooting a woman, and another is of a Roma man being forcibly subjected to a medical experiment.
    The revisionists don't dispute this. They say all of this happened. They just say that there were no gas chambers involved.

    They think the enslaving of people to force them to work in slave-labor camps is reprehensible. The revisionists think that Auschwitz was a slave-labor camp and not a death camp.
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    Quote Posted by Cosmored (here)
    The revisionists think that Auschwitz was a slave-labor camp and not a death camp.


    Auschwitz was a labour camp. It was also a detention camp and a concentration camp. And an extermination camp.
    Thousands have testified to that fact. Physical evidence points to that. Documentary evidence proves that.

    Auschwitz-Birkenau was absolutely huge - it covered 40 square kilometers - and comprised a huge complex of more than
    40 satellite camps.

    Among those 40 camps were the extermination facilities.

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    I didn’t watch the video because most of the information about Hitler triggers me. During meditation in my thirties, I saw many of the past lives that seem relevant to this life. One life I was on a train looking down at my shoes and I was about five. I was happy, my mother was sitting on the seat across from me. The next scene I’m in a cattle car again about five years old. Since I’m short I'm being suffocated by the stomach of the man in front of me. I’m starting to die and suddenly the door is pulled open and I can breathe. The next scene I’m on a line and get up the desk of an SS officer and notice his fancy black boots. He tells me to take off my clothes. I am in fear and shaking. I can't undo my buttons because my mother always did that for me. I get very scared and say I can't. A women I don’t know behind me quickly helps me and I get the realization she is my older sister in this life. The next scene I’m in a small enclosed room, being crushed in again and then a gas comes into the room and I die.

    I apologize for contributing without fulling reading all the information but from what I quickly gleaned is that some are saying that the holocaust was not as horrific as it was portrayed in history and that gas was not used. This thread seems very important now with what we are clearly seeing in the world today. Its unfortunate it diverged into absurd racist divisions by some members. The thread is important because even recent history is distorted and confused. I’m convinced there is some truth and lies about the war. The “fake” mockingbird news manipulation is right in our faces every day now and we see so clearly how it all works. It is said that Kali Yuga was the age of belief but the age of Aquaruis in Dwapara is the age of knowing. Soon we will awaken and they will not be able to play on our ignorance that gives us fear. We will not need their text books or revisionist accounts of history, we will just remember our past lives and look into the filed for what we need to know. We have a small number of people on earth now that do this naturally right now.
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