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    Default Were Michelle Obama/Williams sisters born male?

    Hi all-

    I bumped into this yesterday on rense.com (sort of shattered my countenance and wrecked my complextion for a few hours)-

    I realize this concept initially sounds just too grotesque/bizarre/weird (insert your own favorite adjective) to be believable but I came to the conclusion a long time ago the weirder (insert favorite adjective) a concept may initially appear the more truth there just may be behind it- we're living in an unbelievably distorted world-

    if you have the time and interest do check out the following then draw your own conclusions:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVAXqKugXkg

    the bit about the Williams sisters was posted in a later video by the poster available (in typical YouTube style) by looking to the right at the other available videos on this subject (obviously from same poster)-

    please continue to stay well all-

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    The evidence that Serena Williams is a man is very strong...


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    Quote Posted by Cardillac (here)
    Hi all-

    I bumped into this yesterday on rense.com (sort of shattered my countenance and wrecked my complextion for a few hours)-

    I realize this concept initially sounds just too grotesque/bizarre/weird (insert your own favorite adjective) to be believable but I came to the conclusion a long time ago the weirder (insert favorite adjective) a concept may initially appear the more truth there just may be behind it- we're living in an unbelievably distorted world-

    if you have the time and interest do check out the following then draw your own conclusions:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVAXqKugXkg

    the bit about the Williams sisters was posted in a later video by the poster available (in typical YouTube style) by looking to the right at the other available videos on this subject (obviously from same poster)-

    please continue to stay well all-

    Larry
    A better approach to watch those videos is to turn down the volume and not listen/read the narrative.
    Because the narrative often is a biased opinion to begin with and will front-load you ...

    So I jumped through the video and looked at some stills for a moment. I have to admit that when you concentrate
    on torso and posture I get the (gut) 'feeling' of looking at a male ... Just my 2 cents.

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    This is a bunch of racists crap. Some people are AFRAID of smart/strong black women who are winners and are successful at their endeavors. BASE mentality at its worst. Pathetic and sad to see on Avalon.
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    Go to google images and plug in female body builders/athletes and you will see other women with the lower waist indent. You simply cannot base this on a waistline. Also, does it even matter? Its competitive sports, corruption live among all sports, so who even cares anymore. Our world is full of cheaters at every turn.


    And Obama??? Our problems in the white house go MUCH deeper than gender issues.
    "All things are possible beyond the limits of your earthbound consciousness. Open your heart and your mind to the truth of what I am telling you. If you seek the truth you must have faith: belief in the universe. Learn to look beyond what your eyes can see and draw upon the ancient knowledge of your own inner being, your soul self. For only then will the truth emerge. Embrace it lovingly for it is a destiny retrieved from time, your time."

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    first of all @ seeker/reader:

    as the poster stated in the video: this is not a racist rant/de-faming of Blacks (paraphrase)-

    if one has read Cathy O'Brien's "Trance Formation of America" one can more than understand why residents of US inner cities and Latinos were the most prey/targeted to mind-controllers; if you haven't yet read it you might want to do so before you make such a claim as "This is a bunch of racists crap";

    I'm anything but racist so why should I post something I felt was racist?- please give me at least some credit for trying to expose all the lies out there (isn't that why we're all here on this website?)- I don't know what your skin color/sex is (could care less) but the de-bunkers of this video are all coming at it from a racist point of view; so tell me (us all): if we criticize and try to expose Obama are we all RACISTS?-

    stay well-

    Larry

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    the bit about finger/waist-line comparisons and 'women' being able to pack so much muscle intrigued me the most and cracked my face...

    please stay well-

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    Quote Posted by Sidney (here)
    . does it even matter? Its competitive sports, corruption live among all sports, so who even cares anymore. Our world is full of cheaters at every turn.
    .
    YES ...Because lies matter and uncovering the lies is important.......
    It is not racist to talk about the differences in the races......
    For instance young Black males are committing half the murders in the US but they represent only 4% of the US population...

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    I am not saying anyone is racist. I am saying that the crap posted in videos about Michelle Obama and the Williams sisters as being men is CODED or COVERT racism.

    Coded racism is real and I see it on a daily basis. It is used as a shield to hide the true intentions of cowards.

    I am a strong and opinionated FEMALE.

    I have a right to voice my opinion and I am doing so.

    I have watched the videos. They are NOT truth as they CLAIM to be.

    My ring finger is longer than my index finger. I also have large naturally muscular shoulders and arms and a muscular physique in general. If I worked out it would be more pronounced. Excuse me for having good genes.

    Those videos are a bunch of CRAP!

    Strong women are feared by some people. I have felt it personally throughout my life.
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    @Sidney

    "Go to google images and plug in female body builders/athletes and you will see other women with the lower waist indent"- if you do even further research you will find that many past "female" athletes were actually male; the Williams sisters are no new phenomena; I apologize profusely for not notating the source but (according to source) a female German Olympic who "succeeded" at least to a certain extent in the 1936 Berlin Olympics was exposed as a male after her death in the early 70's-

    let alone the former "East Germany" contingents (winners!- can we all spell steroids/hormonal alterations?) in the Olympics in the days of the DDR- God only knows who/what these people really were...

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    Quote Posted by seeker/reader (here)
    This is a bunch of racists crap. Some people are AFRAID of smart/strong black women who are winners and are successful at their endeavors. BASE mentality at its worst. Pathetic and sad to see on Avalon.
    You apparently didn't watch it before commenting. Sad to see that happen on Avalon.

    Matt

    [edit: your comment wasn't up when I posted. So maybe you did watch it. But still, it's always a good idea to comment on the information instead of just ridiculing. When people label or ridicule instead of dealing with the facts presented, it's usually a sign they have no case themselves. This is one of the most basic concepts for folks around here, I am really surprised to see it happen. This is the kind of crap that the bad guys do]
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    Quote Posted by mpennery (here)
    Quote Posted by seeker/reader (here)
    this is a bunch of racists crap. Some people are afraid of smart/strong black women who are winners and are successful at their endeavors. Base mentality at its worst. Pathetic and sad to see on avalon.
    you apparently didn't watch it before commenting. Sad to see that happen on avalon.

    Matt
    I did watch it. I have eyes to see the real truth hidden behind the facade. Sad to see others here on Avalon who don't.
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    Quote Posted by seeker/reader (here)
    Quote Posted by mpennery (here)
    Quote Posted by seeker/reader (here)
    this is a bunch of racists crap. Some people are afraid of smart/strong black women who are winners and are successful at their endeavors. Base mentality at its worst. Pathetic and sad to see on avalon.
    you apparently didn't watch it before commenting. Sad to see that happen on avalon.

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    I did watch it. I have eyes to see the real truth hidden behind the facade. Sad to see others here on Avalon who don't.
    I have no opinion one way or the other about this other than the information is quite interesting. It's my first exposure to it so I can't pass judgment. I do know I've seen enough crazy sh#t, that I have a hard time dismissing anything without strong evidence.
    As a casual observer I have to say that your extreme emotional reaction to this is also quite interesting.
    Also please be careful how you label me. You know nothing of me.

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    Quote Posted by mpennery (here)
    Quote Posted by seeker/reader (here)
    Quote Posted by mpennery (here)
    Quote Posted by seeker/reader (here)
    this is a bunch of racists crap. Some people are afraid of smart/strong black women who are winners and are successful at their endeavors. Base mentality at its worst. Pathetic and sad to see on avalon.
    you apparently didn't watch it before commenting. Sad to see that happen on avalon.

    Matt
    I did watch it. I have eyes to see the real truth hidden behind the facade. Sad to see others here on Avalon who don't.
    I have no opinion one way or the other about this other than the information is quite interesting. It's my first exposure to it so I can't pass judgment. I do know I've seen enough crazy sh#t, that I have a hard time dismissing anything without strong evidence.
    As a casual observer I have to say that your extreme emotional reaction to this is also quite interesting.
    Also please be careful how you label me. You know nothing of me.

    Matt
    You assumed things about me and critiqued me first. You labeled me, so I labeled you.

    Don't like it, then don't dish it out first.

    Maybe my being a FEMALE gives me some ideas about what a FEMALE body is like. How shocking to have such insight and information first hand.
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    Default Re: Were Michelle Obama/Williams sisters born male?

    NOTHING is above question. EVER.



    if you (anyone) are emotionally responding to a topic, step away until you can come back without that influence; it is often a good sign that you are re-acting (running pre programmed "flight or fight" responses) and is generally not conducive to a good discussion.
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    Well, now I'm worried. Either the first 5 minutes of that video are utterly and completely wrong, or - looking at my hands - I have been living a lie for the decades I have been on this earth. Do I need to go out and buy a completely new wardrobe and have a long chat with the grandchildren? It was after all called "Irrefutable Proof"…

    Finger length is only a reflection of what went on in the womb when you were a foetus. The ring finger has more hormone receptors than the index finger. Testosterone lengthens the fingers, and oestrogen halts their growth. If you are exposed to a higher level of testosterone in the womb, your index fingers will be longer than your ring finger. Simple.

    It is no proof of gender.

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    FYI men have an Adam's apple and women do not. Look at her throat

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    Default Re: Were Michelle Obama/Williams sisters born male?

    This culture is one grossly overproduced horribly acted porn movie. Don't you get that these have to be facts?
    Look at the rest of the script.
    And we keep watching it for godsake. Mike Obama. C'mon.
    I hope it's true. It's just too funny. It isn't a meaningless waste of your attention at all. I hope these revelations
    don't drive anyone to suicide.

    I've often wondered if McEnroe was a girl.
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    Thank you Larry. We’d know you were still a man even if you started singing counter-tenor

    Let me steer clear of the controversy and merely flesh out some of the tennis side to this story to see how various bases might be covered in this particular case. It is a highly complex picture.

    The bulging muscles come under the doping debate. Rafael Nadal is the Putin (or the Steven Greer) of tennis and people make endless allusions to alternative ways to the gym for producing those biceps, which soon disappeared under his t-shirt after starting his career in sleeveless shirts. No harm in that: he was merely learning to dress like everyone else. Doping convictions in tennis are few and far between. Some say that this is because controls are very tight. However, Roger Federer for one regularly complains that dope tests are rare and getting rarer. So the subject of Serena Williams’ biceps would come under doping, and that is more or less off the table. One illicit drug is testosterone, which the cyclist Lance Armstrong would have been taking as part of his treatment for testicular cancer, even before injecting all the other stuff he confessed about to Oprah. This is where transgender and doping issues cross paths: when a woman takes testosterone, the result can be similar to when a man does a sex change. Or maybe she has just been lifting weights.

    The other side to this is the development of both the men’s and the women’s game into slugging matches between big strong players. Sharapova herself is a six-foot tall fashion model. The men’s game is getting even worse, with many players nowadays 6’5” and over. In other words, we are seeing greater masculinity all round.

    Combine this with the race card. Any criticism of the Williamses can be defused by calling it racist as there are very few non-whites playing pro tennis. Years ago, the diminutive Swiss teenage champion Martina Hingis earned herself a very bad name when she said that playing against the Williamses was like playing against a man. She played a feminine game more vulnerable to sheer brawn, being based on guile and shot placement, a style that unsurprisingly has gradually disappeared. Top women players will sometimes use men as sparring-partners, to make up in strength/speed what they lack in skill – so Hingis would very likely know exactly what she meant by ‘playing against a man’. Nowadays, many may talk about women slugging it out, but would be wary of saying they all play like men. So there is no room at all these days for suspecting any of actually being men, although as Cardillac points out, this used to be a common suspicion of East German athletes, sometimes confirmed by sex tests. Short memories are another trap we need to beware of.

    The other issue in women’s sport that clouds this debate is nothing new either: homosexuality. This has involved women at the top of the game, thanks in part, it would seem, to their more masculine physical abilities. In the sixties, Billie Jean King was the only woman to play serve and volley at Wimbledon like the men. She actually played an exhibition match, billed as the Battle of the Sexes, against the ageing male chauvinist pig Bobby Riggs, and she won. This was against the backdrop of Women’s Lib and her fight to introduce professional tennis for women, so to that extent, this was no bad thing.
    Then there was Martina Navratilova, who usually (but by no means always) came off best in her friendly rivalry with the more feminine Chris Evert. And more recently, we had Amélie Mauresmo, whom Martina Hingis also described as playing a man’s game. I don’t think anyone is suggesting she actually is a man. These women were presumably just naturally more powerful after for example receiving extra testosterone in the womb – I really have no idea. I have no stereotype of what a woman should be like.

    However, there does come a point where things become dishonest, and pushy parents and coaches are all too common. Many female tennis players suffer sexual or other abuse from their coaches; there have been some high profile cases in recent years. For example, the Swiss player Patty Schnyder came under the spell first of a scientologist who had her drinking 3 liters of orange juice a day; she replaced him with a bodyguard/trainer/husband who stayed around long enough to probably siphon off her hard-earned millions, as she ended up broke.
    http://www.illustre.ch/illustre/arti...le-g%C3%A2chis

    Pushy parents are another plague in the game. One guy in France used to slip Temesta into his kids’ opponents’ water bottles to make them sleepy. Until one sent his bottle to a lab for testing. It was later found that a man who had wrapped his car round a tree and had Temesta in his blood was on his way home from one such tennis match.
    http://tempsreel.nouvelobs.com/socie...tennismen.html

    This was manslaughter for only the tiniest material gain. But now that professional tennis has equal prize money for women, the potential financial gains for someone like Richard Williams pushing his kids to do well were huge. Maybe he did not do what he is accused of in this video. Maybe he did not actually cheat in any other way with performance-enhancing drugs. But even so, it is more than likely that some degree of parental abuse was involved in driving his children to the top and maintaining them there for so long (most female players retire very early). This also sometimes happens with men. Descriptions of Rafa Nadal’s coaching as a child by his uncle suggest abusive levels of discipline, and this possibly shows in his endless string of mannerisms before serving.

    Hence this subject is important with regard to the training of ‘champions’ in various fields through mind control techniques not dissimilar to what we see in other contexts – with or without the transgender component. But since that component is the subject of this thread, we may want to see transgender issues as just one aspect of the identity issues people are increasingly facing these days, whether forced to take action because of dissatisfaction at who they started out as, or as one form of sexual mutilation imposed by others. Alternatively, this can be considered from the angle of cognitive dissonance, which came up last year in connection with Pattie Brassard.

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    The male voice is just one more tool tossed into this game of hide and seek. One of the diverse reasons for the video is to create people fighting over transgender bias. Another is the intentional cognitive dissonance with the information offered on so many topics covered in a one hour block.

    Objective One: Keep everyone busy with what ever works on us as individuals and groups. Some examples: research, fighting, confusion, loss of hope, send some over the edge, separate us through escalation of anger, fear, etc. All food juice for the sh!tbirds.

    Objective Two: Keep us from our divine creativity and imagination that fosters balance in all things. It is not in their best interest for us all to come together. That power ignites recall of what we are capable of. Change. They GO POOF with CHANGE.
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    odd , I started watching youtube vids about Michelle Obama once being a man this weekend , and now this thread pops up ... just go on youtube and watch all the video and early pictures of the first lady , decide for yourself ... they say president Obama himself likes men , so a male partner would be that far out there ... if true , it's the greatest deception pulled on the entire world ...
    FOLLOW YOUR HEART, AND YOU'LL FIND YOUR WAY ... Raiding the Matrix , One Mind at a Time ...

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    Default Re: Were Michelle Obama/Williams sisters born male?

    Quote Posted by ghostrider (here)
    ........ so a male partner would be that far out there ... if true , it's the greatest deception pulled on the entire world ...
    the ultimate Illuminati "quenelle" to the unassuming American electorate.

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