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    this is a bunch of racists crap. Some people are afraid of smart/strong black women who are winners and are successful at their endeavors. Base mentality at its worst. Pathetic and sad to see on avalon.
    you apparently didn't watch it before commenting. Sad to see that happen on avalon.

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    I did watch it. I have eyes to see the real truth hidden behind the facade. Sad to see others here on Avalon who don't.
    I have no opinion one way or the other about this other than the information is quite interesting. It's my first exposure to it so I can't pass judgment. I do know I've seen enough crazy sh#t, that I have a hard time dismissing anything without strong evidence.
    As a casual observer I have to say that your extreme emotional reaction to this is also quite interesting.
    Also please be careful how you label me. You know nothing of me.

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    Fear is simply a consequence of a lack of information.

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    this is a bunch of racists crap. Some people are afraid of smart/strong black women who are winners and are successful at their endeavors. Base mentality at its worst. Pathetic and sad to see on avalon.
    you apparently didn't watch it before commenting. Sad to see that happen on avalon.

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    I did watch it. I have eyes to see the real truth hidden behind the facade. Sad to see others here on Avalon who don't.
    I have no opinion one way or the other about this other than the information is quite interesting. It's my first exposure to it so I can't pass judgment. I do know I've seen enough crazy sh#t, that I have a hard time dismissing anything without strong evidence.
    As a casual observer I have to say that your extreme emotional reaction to this is also quite interesting.
    Also please be careful how you label me. You know nothing of me.

    Matt
    You assumed things about me and critiqued me first. You labeled me, so I labeled you.

    Don't like it, then don't dish it out first.

    Maybe my being a FEMALE gives me some ideas about what a FEMALE body is like. How shocking to have such insight and information first hand.
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    NOTHING is above question. EVER.



    if you (anyone) are emotionally responding to a topic, step away until you can come back without that influence; it is often a good sign that you are re-acting (running pre programmed "flight or fight" responses) and is generally not conducive to a good discussion.
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    Well, now I'm worried. Either the first 5 minutes of that video are utterly and completely wrong, or - looking at my hands - I have been living a lie for the decades I have been on this earth. Do I need to go out and buy a completely new wardrobe and have a long chat with the grandchildren? It was after all called "Irrefutable Proof"…

    Finger length is only a reflection of what went on in the womb when you were a foetus. The ring finger has more hormone receptors than the index finger. Testosterone lengthens the fingers, and oestrogen halts their growth. If you are exposed to a higher level of testosterone in the womb, your index fingers will be longer than your ring finger. Simple.

    It is no proof of gender.

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    FYI men have an Adam's apple and women do not. Look at her throat

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    This culture is one grossly overproduced horribly acted porn movie. Don't you get that these have to be facts?
    Look at the rest of the script.
    And we keep watching it for godsake. Mike Obama. C'mon.
    I hope it's true. It's just too funny. It isn't a meaningless waste of your attention at all. I hope these revelations
    don't drive anyone to suicide.

    I've often wondered if McEnroe was a girl.
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    Thank you Larry. We’d know you were still a man even if you started singing counter-tenor

    Let me steer clear of the controversy and merely flesh out some of the tennis side to this story to see how various bases might be covered in this particular case. It is a highly complex picture.

    The bulging muscles come under the doping debate. Rafael Nadal is the Putin (or the Steven Greer) of tennis and people make endless allusions to alternative ways to the gym for producing those biceps, which soon disappeared under his t-shirt after starting his career in sleeveless shirts. No harm in that: he was merely learning to dress like everyone else. Doping convictions in tennis are few and far between. Some say that this is because controls are very tight. However, Roger Federer for one regularly complains that dope tests are rare and getting rarer. So the subject of Serena Williams’ biceps would come under doping, and that is more or less off the table. One illicit drug is testosterone, which the cyclist Lance Armstrong would have been taking as part of his treatment for testicular cancer, even before injecting all the other stuff he confessed about to Oprah. This is where transgender and doping issues cross paths: when a woman takes testosterone, the result can be similar to when a man does a sex change. Or maybe she has just been lifting weights.

    The other side to this is the development of both the men’s and the women’s game into slugging matches between big strong players. Sharapova herself is a six-foot tall fashion model. The men’s game is getting even worse, with many players nowadays 6’5” and over. In other words, we are seeing greater masculinity all round.

    Combine this with the race card. Any criticism of the Williamses can be defused by calling it racist as there are very few non-whites playing pro tennis. Years ago, the diminutive Swiss teenage champion Martina Hingis earned herself a very bad name when she said that playing against the Williamses was like playing against a man. She played a feminine game more vulnerable to sheer brawn, being based on guile and shot placement, a style that unsurprisingly has gradually disappeared. Top women players will sometimes use men as sparring-partners, to make up in strength/speed what they lack in skill – so Hingis would very likely know exactly what she meant by ‘playing against a man’. Nowadays, many may talk about women slugging it out, but would be wary of saying they all play like men. So there is no room at all these days for suspecting any of actually being men, although as Cardillac points out, this used to be a common suspicion of East German athletes, sometimes confirmed by sex tests. Short memories are another trap we need to beware of.

    The other issue in women’s sport that clouds this debate is nothing new either: homosexuality. This has involved women at the top of the game, thanks in part, it would seem, to their more masculine physical abilities. In the sixties, Billie Jean King was the only woman to play serve and volley at Wimbledon like the men. She actually played an exhibition match, billed as the Battle of the Sexes, against the ageing male chauvinist pig Bobby Riggs, and she won. This was against the backdrop of Women’s Lib and her fight to introduce professional tennis for women, so to that extent, this was no bad thing.
    Then there was Martina Navratilova, who usually (but by no means always) came off best in her friendly rivalry with the more feminine Chris Evert. And more recently, we had Amélie Mauresmo, whom Martina Hingis also described as playing a man’s game. I don’t think anyone is suggesting she actually is a man. These women were presumably just naturally more powerful after for example receiving extra testosterone in the womb – I really have no idea. I have no stereotype of what a woman should be like.

    However, there does come a point where things become dishonest, and pushy parents and coaches are all too common. Many female tennis players suffer sexual or other abuse from their coaches; there have been some high profile cases in recent years. For example, the Swiss player Patty Schnyder came under the spell first of a scientologist who had her drinking 3 liters of orange juice a day; she replaced him with a bodyguard/trainer/husband who stayed around long enough to probably siphon off her hard-earned millions, as she ended up broke.
    http://www.illustre.ch/illustre/arti...le-g%C3%A2chis

    Pushy parents are another plague in the game. One guy in France used to slip Temesta into his kids’ opponents’ water bottles to make them sleepy. Until one sent his bottle to a lab for testing. It was later found that a man who had wrapped his car round a tree and had Temesta in his blood was on his way home from one such tennis match.
    http://tempsreel.nouvelobs.com/socie...tennismen.html

    This was manslaughter for only the tiniest material gain. But now that professional tennis has equal prize money for women, the potential financial gains for someone like Richard Williams pushing his kids to do well were huge. Maybe he did not do what he is accused of in this video. Maybe he did not actually cheat in any other way with performance-enhancing drugs. But even so, it is more than likely that some degree of parental abuse was involved in driving his children to the top and maintaining them there for so long (most female players retire very early). This also sometimes happens with men. Descriptions of Rafa Nadal’s coaching as a child by his uncle suggest abusive levels of discipline, and this possibly shows in his endless string of mannerisms before serving.

    Hence this subject is important with regard to the training of ‘champions’ in various fields through mind control techniques not dissimilar to what we see in other contexts – with or without the transgender component. But since that component is the subject of this thread, we may want to see transgender issues as just one aspect of the identity issues people are increasingly facing these days, whether forced to take action because of dissatisfaction at who they started out as, or as one form of sexual mutilation imposed by others. Alternatively, this can be considered from the angle of cognitive dissonance, which came up last year in connection with Pattie Brassard.

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    This is going to sound silly, but I'll say it anyway: throughout the interview with Mel, I was distracted by the impression of listening to a man.
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    I won't say who else ... but you weren't the only one .


    The PTW are mixing it up now because the old way is broke. People are not buying it.

    Another intended ‘level of confusion,’ I didn't hear much of an east coast, MA accent.

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    The male voice is just one more tool tossed into this game of hide and seek. One of the diverse reasons for the video is to create people fighting over transgender bias. Another is the intentional cognitive dissonance with the information offered on so many topics covered in a one hour block.

    Objective One: Keep everyone busy with what ever works on us as individuals and groups. Some examples: research, fighting, confusion, loss of hope, send some over the edge, separate us through escalation of anger, fear, etc. All food juice for the sh!tbirds.

    Objective Two: Keep us from our divine creativity and imagination that fosters balance in all things. It is not in their best interest for us all to come together. That power ignites recall of what we are capable of. Change. They GO POOF with CHANGE.


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    Default Re: Were Michelle Obama/Williams sisters born male?

    odd , I started watching youtube vids about Michelle Obama once being a man this weekend , and now this thread pops up ... just go on youtube and watch all the video and early pictures of the first lady , decide for yourself ... they say president Obama himself likes men , so a male partner would be that far out there ... if true , it's the greatest deception pulled on the entire world ...
    Raiding the Matrix One Mind at a Time ...

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    Quote Posted by ghostrider (here)
    ........ so a male partner would be that far out there ... if true , it's the greatest deception pulled on the entire world ...
    the ultimate Illuminati "quenelle" to the unassuming American electorate.

    No racist slurs intended.
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    Default Re: Were Michelle Obama/Williams sisters born male?

    You made me click this OP. lol

    Your thread reminds me of something my uncle said about Arnold Schwarzenegger.
    That after Arnold's hotshot brother was killed, the family shot Arnold up with the dead kid's growth hormone to make him "perfect".

    These things do happen, who knows if the story is true, but strange things do happen...

    but I agree, some people don't like black women and make up some awful stories.

    however someone recently posted a thread saying Michelle has never waved a US flag on camera, but she waved red ones?
    That is much more concerning to me.

    We shouldn't be kissing China's ass

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    @araucaria

    many, many thanks for your extremely detailed/informed (extremely intelligent) response and for rattling my memories about a few things I had, well, forgotten-

    but doping aside (and I think we can all assume most professional athletes now-a-days are doped): recent Wimbledon winner Andy Murray stated that several tennis players in recent times have been bribed to lose certain matches (he's even named names)-

    but all that aside: anyone thinking the video link I posted was a cheap racist ploy (or supporting the racist accusations) is just simply not in touch with reality/true history; one needs to look at past athletic/political history to see that many, many more whites have been exposed in the past as being either trans-gender, "hormoned" out the wazoo or whatever...

    interestingly enough Greg Hallett's "Hitler Was a British Agent" contains an addendum entitled "Was Wallis Simpson Born a Man?" complete with medically gory details about her supposed physiology (if Hallett is credible)- and yet Hallett has not been accused of being (guess what?) a RACIST because of exposing a white woman (gosh!)-

    obviously the Obama/Williams videos (if credible) are the latest paragraph in probably a very long chapter in human manipulation; the fact the last few sentences refer to Afro-Americans is a FIRST (at least as publicized)- so where's the problem?- Whites/Latinos/Blacks (skin color irrelevant) have been equally compromised-

    when I first joined Avalon I thought I was joining a forum of exclusively/completely opened-minded people but my hopes have been shattered by a barrage (well, in the minority) of narrow-minded people who seem to look at things exclusively according to the skin-color of the individual(s) either being praised or under scrutiny-

    please continue to be well araucaria and all readers-

    Larry
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    Default Re: Were Michelle Obama/Williams sisters born male?

    ..........................

    I was an athlete through high school and college. In high school both basketball and track and field . . . .I still hold the Tennessee state record in hurdles.

    I went to the University of Tennessee (Go Lady Vols!!) on a track and field scholarship as a pentathlete (5 events). I lived with and competed against world class female athletes for the next 21/2 years. Most of the women in my event and a large percentage of women in all other events were taking male steroids. They talked, shaved as a man, did not have periods and had huge out of proportion muscle structure. Not to mention highly volatile and angry from the steroid effect.

    I did not take steroids but was on a very rigorous scientifically planned training schedule, diet . . .every thing in my life was micromanaged by our trainers and coaches.

    Going into my junior (3rd) year at college I had 6% fat, weighed 124 (5’8”), had an ‘8 pack’, bench pressed 169 lbs, pressed 340lbs with my legs and could arm wrestle most men and win. My arms were much bigger than Michelle Obama’s and wore young boy’s jeans because my hips and rear end were so slender women’s jeans slid off whether I wore a belt or not.

    The women on male steroids looked like Serena Williams and there is absolutely no doubt in my mind she is using steroids of some type . . . . women cannot build that much muscle mass without ‘help’.

    She looks like a man because all women who use steroids do begin to look and act like men because of what it does to their bodies and hormones. I will also say a large percentage of women in sports are lesbians or at least this was my experience . . . .even two of my coaches were lesbian . . . which adds the seemingly ‘maleness’ to their appearance and behavior.

    I think also the fact the women of this thread are black (African American) (good lord I am afraid I gonna use the wrong term here) is important to the muscle structure they have. I noticed many times the black athletes I competed against absolutely had certain definition in their legs, abdomen and arms that no matter how hard I or other caucasian women trained we could not accomplish this type of muscle definition . . . . . so it has to be their heritage and the their race that allows for this difference.

    So I do not believe these women were born men . . . . I think there are other factors at work here and ‘some people’ with agendas to fulfill are weaving their little webs.

    Really people if we can’t understand what is going on and what is happening right in front of our eyes and use logic to explain and understand each event . . . .how can we ever hope to understand things that are even slightly more difficult , , ,let alone issues such a alien races and the implementation of the New World Order.

    And by the way . . . . going into the second semester of my junior year at the University of Tennessee I lost my scholarship because I refused to take male steroids to further enhance my performance.

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    When I first viewed the video of Michelle when it was posted under the thread about her waving the Chinese flags, I never thought about race at all.
    For the record, I have longer ring fingers than index fingers and my blood line grandchildren call me "grandma". My daughter and one granddaughter also have longer ring fingers than index fingers. My mixed race granddaughter (black/white) has longer index than ring fingers. So what does the hand thing prove? Nothing.
    I was more convinced by looking at Michelle's neck and shoulder muscles (especially her trapezius muscles) and shoulder width than anything. Her arms and shoulders are extremely cut for a woman her age. Most women start to become more flabby than ripped at around age 45 even if they do work out. It goes with the hormonal changes known as peri-menopause and menopause.
    Her head to body height is also telling. There are tall women but, it's true that their head to body ratios is, as depicted in the video, 1:7 rather than 1:8.
    And, as Corey Everson demonstrated back in the 80's, women can have a muscular physic without bulking by doing lighter lifts with longer reps. Michelle's shoulders and arms are pretty bulky compared to her legs.
    It's strange that a few years ago one could find more information on Michael Lavaugn Robinson. Google has made it harder now. I think that she is a man posing as a woman.

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    The evidence that Serena Williams is a man is very strong...

    @ blufire Have you watched this video....?....

    Because it goes beyond what you are talking about......
    Steroids cannot increase the size of a person's skull .....
    or the configuration of a person's face.....
    There is a significant difference in the bone structure of the skulls of black men & black women....

    Serena Williams has the skull of a black man.....

    I am sick & tired of people who think they know the contents of a video without watching it......

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    This is a bunch of racists crap. Some people are AFRAID of smart/strong black women who are winners and are successful at their endeavors. BASE mentality at its worst. Pathetic and sad to see on Avalon.
    [QUOTE=seeker/reader;820042]I am not saying anyone is racist. I am saying that the crap posted in videos about Michelle Obama and the Williams sisters as being men is CODED or COVERT racism.

    Coded racism is real and I see it on a daily basis. It is used as a shield to hide the true intentions of cowards.

    I am a strong and opinionated FEMALE.

    I have a right to voice my opinion and I am doing so.

    I have watched the videos. They are NOT truth as they CLAIM to be.

    My ring finger is longer than my index finger. I also have large naturally muscular shoulders and arms and a muscular physique in general. If I worked out it would be more pronounced. Excuse me for having good genes.

    Those videos are a bunch of CRAP!

    Strong women are feared by some people. I have felt it personally throughout my
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    Quote Posted by seeker/reader (here)
    This is a bunch of racists crap. Some people are AFRAID of smart/strong black women who are winners and are successful at their endeavors. BASE mentality at its worst. Pathetic and sad to see on Avalon.
    Op-ed post:

    Cynthia McKinney = yes, smart/strong Black woman
    Michelle Obama .... not so inspiring

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    My ring finger is longer than my index finger. I also have large naturally muscular shoulders and arms and a muscular physique in general. If I worked out it would be more pronounced.
    .
    Do you want to try to explain away the fact that Serena has the skull of a black man...If you actually watched the whole video it points out
    that black men have a bulge of bone in the lower back of their skull that black females don't have..But Serena has the bulge....

    How do you explain that other than that Serena is a male .....?

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    Default Re: Were Michelle Obama/Williams sisters born male?

    My ring finger is way longer than my index finger and I most certainly am not a man. Such BS for starters.

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    Default Re: Were Michelle Obama/Williams sisters born male?

    those girls looked like boys even as children... so that does not go along with the idea of steroids changing them to be more masculine looking

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    Default Re: Were Michelle Obama/Williams sisters born male?

    Why are white people so scared to say anything that might indicate that they are racist. If they are they are and if not they are not. Being scared to criticize Obama, either one is
    being politically correct and that means being controlled.

    Time to stop being controlled by politicians, period.
    Question Everything, always speak truth... Make the best of today, for there may not be a tomorrow!!! But, that's OK because tomorrow never comes, so we have nothing to worry about!!!

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