The History of the Forbidden Fruit

[Mr. Metazoan]

I have a lot of support for this, but won't post links unless requested.


Genesis 3:3: But God did say, “You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.”

Favism(fava-bean-ism), also known as Glucose-6-Phosphate-Dehydrogenase Deficiency(G6PD), is a genetic disease that affects the Jews, and other descendents of the Mediterranean after eating fava beans. For Jews, 40 days after ingestion, an allergic like reaction occurs where a blood disorder called hemolytic anemia occurs causing the blood cells to self destruct, and in severe cases causes acute kidney failure. It takes 100-120 days for our spleen to remove the red blood cells, and because of the two time periods, the total length of the disease process is 150 days. Each condition causes a multitude of devastating signs and symptoms. Hemolytic anemia causes fatigue, loss of appetite, fluid imbalance, bone deformities, irregular heartbeats, hypertension, heart failure, and sometimes death. Acute kidney injury can cause extreme thirst, weakness, fatigue, hormones are not produce, and bone demineralization resulting in excruciating bone pain, deformities, and fractures. In the Middle East jaundice is common, featuring yellowing of the eyes and face only days after ingestion. The worst thing, is that it can increase the bilirubin causing kernicterus, which is permanently toxic to the brain.
Research shows that since the neolithic period fava beans have played a role in religious ritual, and were associated with death. A high percentage of people in the Mediterranean are are so susceptible that even smelling the pollen from a bean field causes faces and eyes to turn yellow. Scholars agree that favism was well known in antiquity, and due to the high prevalence it would be impossible not to recognize it. The bible states that the original sin was eating a forbidden fruit, and the Seven Penitential Psalms, or the 7PPs which are 6, 32, 38, 51, 102, 130, and 143 appears to be our first documented case of favism.

Psalm Chapter 6 portrays King David begging God for forgiveness, and mercy. He says that he is faint, and that his bones and his soul are in agony. He asks how long it will last, that he is worn out from groaning, that all night long he cries, and that his eyes grow weak with sorrow. He also begins to claim that others are evil, and for them to stay away.
In chapter 32, we find David continuing to groan all day, saying that his bones are wasting away, that his strength was sapped, and that he feels pressure from God’s hand. He acknowledges that his sin made him sick, and claims that if a person prays to God, that when the mighty waters rise, they will not reach him. Then, as we get closer to chapter 40 and the 40th day, the acute kidney failure begins to take effect and in Chapter 36 shows David feasting on the abundance of water from God’s fountain of life due to his extreme thirst.
Ch 38 is a larger chapter, and as always, shows King David asking God to not rebuke him out of anger, and to not discipline him during his wrath. He again uses the analogy that God's hand has come down upon him. He claims that there is no health in his body, and that his bones have no soundness because of his sin. He says that he is bowed down, and brought very low. That his back is filled with searing pain, again that there is no health in his body, he's feeble, and utterly crushed. He groans in anguish of heart, all day long he goes about mourning. His heart pounds, his strength fails him; and his friends and companions avoid him. He thinks they talk behind his back, but he's unable to reply. The water is reaching the top, his kidneys are failing, and he’s not getting the needed hormones for his brain to function properly.
The original text(JPS version) of Psalm 46 depicts God telling King David to Desist and release his inner parts then the mighty rivers in Jerusalem overflow, but there are no rivers in Jerusalem.
The next chapter on the list, 51 has him repeatedly begging for God's mercy. He says that he was sinful at birth, from the time his mother conceived him(x-linked genetic disease), and that his bones have been crushed.
102 does not have an author, but goes along with the same idea; he begs God to hear his cries of distress. He says that his bones burn like glowing embers, and that his heart is blighted and withered like grass. He forgets to eat his food, is reduced to skin and bones, lies awake, and is like an owl among the ruins.
Psalm 130 is very short, and another unknown author begs for mercy, and cries out of the depths. Failed kidneys flooded him?
143 has David still begging for mercy, asking God to come to his relief. His heart is dismayed, his soul thirsts for God like a parched land. Is afraid of going down to the pit(sheol) where the dead are buried, and asks God to bring him out of trouble.

These verses point toward favism as the culprit, and describes the physiological, and psychological signs, and symptoms of this 150 day long catastrophic ordeal, even going as far as naming the kidneys as the main organ affected. There are many references in the bible to the numbers 40, and 150. The biblical story of Noah's Ark for example shows that it rained for 40 days and 40 nights, and the waters prevailed upon the earth for 150 days. Written in the 4th century, the book of Psalms is 150 chapters long, and is split into 5 books; the first of which ends on Chapter 41 shows that King David was riddled with a vile disease(PS 41:8). As the book of Psalms progresses, so does the disease.
The church took us through the dark ages, inquisitions, and crusades while creating laws that stopped us from progressing scientifically. They burned women for healing others, claiming that they were witches, and that healing the sick was a form of magic, and a sin. Written history does not show that they robbed us of our scientific intellect, however, the original sin is in regards to a forbidden fruit, and when ingested, Adam and Eve are cursed the next morning.

Oddly enough , In 1894, the idea that fava beans, of all things caused a myriad of conditions was first recognized, and by the 1940’s we discovered that the British never developed symptoms after eating them, suggesting a genetic difference leading us into WWII. Since then, we’ve discovered more than 100 variations globally affecting more than 400 million people. The Mediterranean variant is the most common, and some countries in the Middle East have population rates as high as 77%. Due to the multiple genetic variations some are so susceptible that walking through a field where the beans are in bloom will immediately start this reaction, whereas for others acute kidney failure occurs 40 days after ingestion, then followed by hemolytic anemia. It takes the spleen 100-120 days to degrade(remove) red blood cells, and because of the two time periods the total length of the disease process is 150 days. Because most patients are asymptomatic at first, they don’t know they have it until it’s too late. If they eat a large amount of fava, or broad beans they won’t surely die, but a heart attack is imminent.
Beans have long played interesting roles in religious ritual, and magic. In the 5th century B.C.E., Pythagoras who most know for his theorem of a2+b2=c2 supplied us with many other mathematical, philosophical, metaphysical, and political rules, laws, and theories. One Pythagorean theory, possibly his most important which may have lead to his death was about beans. Because of their religious, ethical, and aesthetic lifestyle he and his followers, the Pythagoreans were vegetarians, and were strictly forbidden from eating any type of fava beans but this eventually led to their ruin. According to legend, around 450 B.C.E. enemies of Pythagoras set fire to his house, and school of medicine sending him running toward a bean field. When he reached the field he stopped, stating he would rather die, so those chasing him slit his throat. Pythagoras left no written works, or, if he did, none have survived. Some modern scholars consider Pythagoras not just a scientist, but also a Greek Shaman. Through the Pythagoreans, Hippocrates received the philosophical concepts that he combined with medicine to form the Hippocratic Oath, but it’s theorized that the Pythagoreans may have written the entire thing. Hippocrates is also credited with being the first person to argue that diseases were not a punishment inflicted by the gods but instead were caused by environmental factors, diet, and living habits. Was this the work of the Pythagoreans?
The ban on eating beans was not restricted to just the Pythagoreans. Not only did the Hindus have their own restrictions on urd beans, but the Ancient Greeks thought the dark spots on fava beans with death were related to death, and forbade their priests from eating them, or even mention them. Homer mentions fava beans several times in his Iliad(9th century BCE), beans were sometimes offered in sacrifices to Apollo, and its history is suggestive of superstition, prohibition, magic and fear. It’s possible that stories based on the various bean bans go back to Neolithic times. If Dr. Gimbutas is correct, then the oldest story is from the Ġgantija temples, and the mother goddess cults created more than 5,500 years ago. Legend says that a giant, possibly Demeter lived on a diet of broad beans, and water, then constructed one of the temples in a single day carrying the megaliths on her head as she carried her baby under her arm.

[cloud9]

What a curious article. Fava beans (habas) are a staple in many regions of Latin America, usually used in soups.

Here it's what one of my favorites raw food advocates has to say about them:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=IMdXEn_PsjI

[Mr. Metazoan]

That's a curious video. He mentions Favism(G6PD), the popularity of them in the middle east, and even goes as far as to say that the fava bean doesn't cause damage. This disease isn't just in reaction to fava beans, but rather all legumes. Here is a list of them: g6pddeficiency.org/wp/living-with-g6pd-deficiency/food-to-avoid/#.U0Y5cvldVik

[cloud9]

Have you ever tried fava beans? I'm interested on what you know about this food other than the information you have presented here.

I don't know anything about this Favism illness but I guess as with so many things not everything is for anyone, however I find interesting that the article says it was something that affected Jews 40 days after they ate them. Even more interesting, this illness doesn't seem to affect the millions of people all over Latin America.

[Mr. Metazoan]

Here is a link that shows that the Mediterranean style affects the Jews. http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/202897/favism
Here is one that says it is several days after. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...481045/?page=2

No, it doesn't say 40, but I had a reaction two years ago, and my kidneys failed on me around the 40th day. The reaction started the next morning and continually worsened, then on the 40th day is when **** really hit the fan. I was told by my parents to read the book of Psalms, and I related well to it.

[Mr. Metazoan]

I'll also add, that I received a symptomatic diagnosis, but my genetic test was negative. It leads me to suspect that this is a new genetic strain, or mutation, but I'll leave it up to the medical professionals to figure it out.

[lunaflare]

I think the term, "Jews" needs a clear definition. Semites from the Middle East/North Africa/Spain are the "pure" Jewish peoples- Sephardic Jews
The Ashkenazic jews are make-believe jews who adopted this religion for strategic purposes (German/Eastern European people who wished to colonize).
How is this related to the fava bean? Well, perhaps Sephardic people can more readily digest this wee bean.

[Mr. Metazoan]

Medical sites mention Jews, but don't specify their subgroup. I'm not sure why, but as for myself I believe I'm Ashkenazi, or Germanic Jew as my parents are from Germany, and Switzerland.

[Agape]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glucose...ase_deficiency

Epidemiology[edit]
G6PD deficiency is the most common human enzyme defect, being present in more than 400 million people worldwide.[13] In 2010 it result in about 4,000 deaths globally.[14] African, Middle Eastern and South Asian people are affected the most, including those who have these ancestries.[15] A side effect of this disease is that it confers protection against malaria,[16] in particular the form of malaria caused by Plasmodium falciparum, the most deadly form of malaria. A similar relationship exists between malaria and sickle-cell disease. One theory to explain this is that cells infected with the Plasmodium parasite are cleared more rapidly by the spleen. This phenomenon might give G6PD deficiency carriers an evolutionary advantage by increasing their fitness in malarial endemic environments.

History[edit]
Favism has been known since antiquity. One strict rule of the Pythagoreans' was the avoidance of beans possibly due to their potential for Favism. There is building evidence that Favism was widely known in the Mediterranean 2,500 years ago[18] as the prevalence of this deficiency is in those of Mediterranean descent including: Armenians, Greeks, Italians, Spaniards, and Jews.[8] It is written that this ban was because beans resembled the genetalia, but it is possible that this was a philosophical or scientific matter, being that the belief was that beans and humans were created from the same material. [19]

The modern understanding of the condition began with the analysis of patients who exhibited sensitivity to primaquine.[20] The discovery of G6PD deficiency relied heavily upon the testing of prisoner volunteers at Illinois State Penitentiary, although today such studies cannot be performed. When some prisoners were given the drug primaquine, some developed hemolytic anemia but others did not. After studying the mechanism through Cr51 testing, it was conclusively shown that the hemolytic effect of primaquine was due to an intrinsic defect of erythrocytes

People with G6PD deficiency are therefore at risk of hemolytic anemia in states of oxidative stress. Oxidative stress can result from infection and from chemical exposure to medication and certain foods. Broad beans, e.g., fava beans, contain high levels of vicine, divicine, convicine and isouramil, all of which are oxidants.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicine

Vicine is an alkaloid glycoside found in fava beans.[1] Vicine is toxic, causing the disease favism, in individuals who have a hereditary loss of the enzyme glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase. Divicine is the name of the aglycone of vicine. Fava beans also contain the related 6-hydroxy- alkaloid glycoside covicine, whose aglycone is isouramil.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divicine

Divicine is found in fava beans and in the legume Lathyrus sativus, also known as khesari, which is a cheap and robust food source commonly grown in Asia and East Africa.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lathyrus_sativus

Like other grain legumes, L. sativus produces a high-protein seed. The seeds also contain variable amounts of a neurotoxic amino acid β-N-Oxalyl-L-α,β-diaminopropionic acid or ODAP or BOAA.[3] ODAP is considered as the cause of the disease neurolathyrism, a neurodegenerative disease that causes paralysis of the lower body: emaciation of gluteal muscle (buttocks). The disease has been seen to occur after famines in Europe (France, Spain, Germany), North Africa, South Asia, and is still prevalent in Eritrea, Ethiopia and Afghanistan (pan handle) when Lathyrus seed is the exclusive or main source of nutrients for extended periods. Research has shown that ODAP concentration increases in plants grown under stressful conditions, compounding the problem.

Breeding programs are underway to produce lines of L. sativus that produce less ODAP.

It's common understanding that many uncultivated kinds of beans contain neurotoxins , some of them are not poisonous for animals but are to humans ,
especially if not cooked or when used for prolonged period of time .

Unlike peas , the 'fava bean' should not be eaten by any individual unless cooked , eating it raw can cause anaphylactic shock - depending on the amount of the vicine , divicine - toxins , and individual tolerance . Young kids are especially vulnerable .

Now it seems ..that some of your ancestors lived exposed to those plants for prolonged period of their history . In old Indian medical texts they call this 'cause is too close to effect , like horns of a bull ' , they developed allergy and chromosomal mutation that made them to avoid the plant .

It's actually, very interesting .. many old garden growers and agriculturists would tell you ..or show you .. at the end of their life that no matter how much they enjoyed working with the soil and the plants, there is number of severe reactions that go along prolonged exposure to many raw plants , and soil ,
including eczema , organ failures , metabolic changes whose causes are hard to track and so forth .

In many instances, at least half of their progeny develop strong aversion to raw products of agriculture .. it's a real phenomenon though not well explored and described .

[araucaria]

I sometimes grow a few because you can’t buy them easily. Never had any trouble that I know of. The blackfly certainly seem immune.

I wonder what the biblical literalists will think of learning that what sounds like belly-aching to the Lord was precisely that?!

This will include the famous Allegri Miserere (psalm 51), transcribed from memory by the boy Mozart – at the time it was very little known, being sung only on the Wednesday and Friday before Easter (that’s this week). There was a thread here not long ago explaining how this music is used as an Illuminati trigger. (I’ve done a search but strangely nothing turns up.) If you think this might concern you, please do not follow this link:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=YDOENZediM8

Some belly-aching.

[Agape]

Posted by araucaria (here)
I sometimes grow a few because you can’t buy them easily. Never had any trouble that I know of. The blackfly certainly seem immune.

I wonder what the biblical literalists will think of learning that what sounds like belly-aching to the Lord was precisely that?!

I'm wondering . The list of plants and fruits dear to the Lord and dangerous to humans could go forever and ever ...

There was a thread posted here some time ago ( couple of years ) where they explored this interesting topic of 'apple' the fruit of paradise and its seeds containing cyanide , so do apricot pits , some almonds , cherry pits etc . ,
the 'seed of life and death' .
Then there follows the explanation from realm of evolutionary biology why do plants create toxic substances ,
selective either to certain biotopes - such as plants of peats and wetlands , or high elevation mountain flora , jungle habitats etc . ,
or toxins specific to evolution stages such as seeds .. in order not to be eaten or degraded easily by other biological processes and so forth.

Where do we come to this is whole another question ...

In India there are several 'medicinal fruits' and also fruits dear to certain Gods such as it is with wooden apple being favourite of Ganesha ( elephant headed son of Shiva and Parvati ) : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ba...ounts_Asit.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aegle_marmelos

It's fairly possible that the variety of wooden apple described in sacred text was 'something' much tastier than it's today , as this fruit is still found in common, used in medical compositions but in wild form is almost uneatable .

This will include the famous Allegri Miserere (psalm 51), transcribed from memory by the boy Mozart – at the time it was very little known, being sung only on the Wednesday and Friday before Easter (that’s this week). There was a thread here not long ago explaining how this music is used as an Illuminati trigger. (I’ve done a search but strangely nothing turns up.) If you think this might concern you, please do not follow this link:

Yes I remember , that was started by David Michael. I found this choral particularly touching and beautiful.

Thanks for reminding me it's Easter

[araucaria]

Apart from being extremely good (without the pips) at keeping the doctor away, the apple also carries symbolism, namely Venus on account of its pentagonal seed arrangement. Hence I suppose in a way Adam and Eve’s was just a love story. They ate of the tree of knowledge and ‘knew each other’, and were discovered in a compromising position that no figleaf was enough to conceal

I don’t know what the symbolism of fava beans might be… But back on the toxicity thing: kidney beans are also toxic if not prepared properly and are so called because of their resemblance to the kidney. Now we hear than beans damage the kidney: this leads to the notion of foodstuffs resembling the organ they help (or damage). I think it was Vivek started a thread on this subject.

[Agape]

Ah yes Auracaria , I think it has something to do with morphological fields and biological patterns even though those too are on target from 'mainstream science' who still can't adopt the idea that Life is way smarter than it seems

If I was Moses .. I'd better start with giant Apple ... and then shape everything accordingly ..it's not as funny as it sounds .

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=qj2diB6fcpg

I'm sure someone comes to explain the fava beans ....

[cloud9]

Posted by araucaria (here)
Apart from being extremely good (without the pips) at keeping the doctor away, the apple also carries symbolism, namely Venus on account of its pentagonal seed arrangement. Hence I suppose in a way Adam and Eve’s was just a love story. They ate of the tree of knowledge and ‘knew each other’, and were discovered in a compromising position that no figleaf was enough to conceal

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I don’t know what the symbolism of fava beans might be… But back on the toxicity thing: kidney beans are also toxic if not prepared properly and are so called because of their resemblance to the kidney. Now we hear than beans damage the kidney: this leads to the notion of foodstuffs resembling the organ they help (or damage). I think it was Vivek started a thread on this subject.

Hello friend,
I'm very curious about your comment of kidney beans being toxic.... I have never heard or read anything like it, can you please provide some link or source for this?

If beans (the red kind as the kidney beans) are toxic I wonder why it doesn't affect some groups of people, again talking here about Latin and Central America where the population eat red beans as if there's not tomorrow.

It's almost impossible not to prepare them correctly: you soak them overnight and next day you cook them in water till soft and then you season and add some meat for flavor. Millions of people eat them every day and now in the US thanks to Chipotle they are more popular than ever, so..... how toxic are they really?

I also wanted to add that string beans are red beans when they are green and they're considered very healthy

[araucaria]

Hi. I didn't say proper cooking was difficult. But Wikipedia has a paragraph on toxicity:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidney_bean

Toxicity

Kidney beans are more toxic than most other bean varieties if not pre-soaked and subsequently heated to the boiling point for at least 10 minutes. The U.S Food and Drug Administration recommends boiling for 30 minutes to ensure they reach a sufficient temperature for long enough to completely destroy the toxin.[2] However, cooking at 80°C, such as in a slow cooker, can increase this danger and raise the toxin level up to fivefold.[3]

I can understand the stage of development of a vegetable being important. Take mushrooms: you don't want to pick them too mature either. But then they say edible mushrooms are pretty toxic anyway. I used to love them, but I won't touch them anymore. A bit like almonds.

Basically, I am agreeing with Agape:

I'm wondering . The list of plants and fruits dear to the Lord and dangerous to humans could go forever and ever ...

And basically it would seem that we are not as home on this planet as we tend to think.

[Mr. Metazoan]

I forgot to mention this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medica...Ashkenazi_Jews

[Mr. Metazoan]

You're good at researching things. You should look at the fiber in beans. Why is it considered a misnomer?

I started with Wikipedia, and I read that about the primaquine, but on other sites it goes into much more detail. On this site http://www.mednet.gr/archives/2012-2/pdf/258.pdf I found this info:

On the threshold of the 20th century doctors hypothesized that the pathophysiology of favismus was hemolysis (destruction of red corpuscles) and at a congress in Rome in 1894 G. Montano reported hemoglobinuria (and no hematuria as was previously believed) as the main symptom of the disease, and distinguished the decisive” reason for the disease, namely fava beans’ and the “predisposed” reason, idiosyncrasy.48 Cases were also reported in Italy by Girotti (1899), Camillis (1901), and in Sardinia by Went (1899), and Steani (1904). In Greece between 1895 and 1905 Doukas, Skavetzos, Kavvadias, Vellopoulos, Kontogeorgis, Tselios and
others recognized the illness in various regions of Greece, both mainland and island regions. The epidemiological studies of Gasparrini in 1905 clarified the clinical icture, the familial character and the eclectic presentation in young persons, particularly males.17,49,50

The possible explanation of favism began to appear in the 1920s, when scientists found that G6PD deficiency actually provides a defence against malaria, which was the main health problem in Greece and Southern Italy at that time. It was not until the 1940s that W. Boyd from Boston noted that the British, in contrast to editerranean people, never developed favism after ingestion of fava beans, suggesting a genetic difference as the possible explanation. This information became more relevant during World War II, when treating malaria with quinine-based drugs resulted in a reaction to the medicine in the same people who presented hemolysis after eating fava beans.