Russia warns that it will dump US Treasuries (Open financial war seems imminent)

[Eram]

Posted by skippy (here)
Following an interesting documentary with the title: "The day the dollar falls", Roel van Broekhoven, VPRO Tegenlicht, 2005.

Cool that you somehow spotted "tegenlicht" skippy.
My nephew is one of it's makers and I think it's one of the best tv shows in the Netherlands.

[ghostrider]

If the dollar is no longer the world reserve currency , overnight the price of things will double and your dollar will be worth half ... paying more with less , hell I'm doing that now ... and there is a new currency law going into effect in July this year ...

[skippy]

Posted by Eram (here)

Posted by skippy (here)
Following an interesting documentary with the title: "The day the dollar falls", Roel van Broekhoven, VPRO Tegenlicht, 2005.

Cool that you somehow spotted "tegenlicht" skippy.
My nephew is one of it's makers and I think it's one of the best tv shows in the Netherlands.

Yeah, I watched the documentary again today after its first broadcast in 2005 (before the subprime crisis) and indeed it is very good. While watching the documentary, I came to the conclusion that Russia alone is not enough to create an open international financial war/crisis. When China joins in ok, but China has no interest in a collapsing American economy. It's my guess that Putin will mellow down quickly to restore business as usual. At this moment, nobody is in for a 3rd world war.

[Octavusprime]

It's my belief that China will play both sides for awhile. The writing is on the wall that the end of the petro dollar is near but China does not want to implode the system because it's economy is so closely linked to the US economy. More likely China will slowly start trading more and more in other currencies while it weens itself off the dollar. If Russia drops the dollar, it will rely on China and other BRICS nations to continue trades. Essentially Russia will create a "black market" that will slowly become more enticing to other nations that are tired of the unjust US controlled market.

The jig is up and it will likely be a bumpy ride.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Blue Dude popped in out of the blue today, we have visiters that haven't been to this planet in thousands of years...

very tense time, but leaders will be held back from extreme war, they don't consider bullets extreme...

just a bunch of kids playing in the sand box...

they are very upset about Fukushima and how those in power have done nothing to contain it, they know the technologies that are available to man, and there is no excuse...

I read a fear from him when he mentioned these visitors, not sure if they are his bosses, but if they stepped in, things are getting serious...

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

America, You are the dump that I take every morning.

~putin

[Rocky_Shorz]

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)
Blue Dude popped in out of the blue today, we have visiters that haven't been to this planet in thousands of years...

very tense time, but leaders will be held back from extreme war, they don't consider bullets extreme...

just a bunch of kids playing in the sand box...

they are very upset about Fukushima and how those in power have done nothing to contain it, they know the technologies that are available to man, and there is no excuse...

I read a fear from him when he mentioned these visitors, not sure if they are his bosses, but if they stepped in, things are getting serious...

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this came up in a totally unrelated search, but makes me wonder if these are the ones "Blue Dude's "visitors" are furious at?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=lbsjeVoJe6s

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Octavusprime (here)
It's my belief that China will play both sides for awhile. The writing is on the wall that the end of the petro dollar is near but China does not want to implode the system because it's economy is so closely linked to the US economy. More likely China will slowly start trading more and more in other currencies while it weens itself off the dollar. If Russia drops the dollar, it will rely on China and other BRICS nations to continue trades. Essentially Russia will create a "black market" that will slowly become more enticing to other nations that are tired of the unjust US controlled market.

The jig is up and it will likely be a bumpy ride.

Yes - that is key for China and the other BRICS nations: whether they get another economic, monetary and financial system at least minimally functioning, before the US Dollar collapses back down from being the currency of world trade, contract and lending, to being once again just another national currency.

This collapse of the US Dollar will be a triple whammy on China - decimating its hoard of US Treasuries, impoverishing its best customer, and throwing a monkey wrench into the current Dollar based world financial system.

If China cannot get alternatives up and running first, then its current leadership risks being on the wrong end of another bloody revolution from its nearly 1 billion working age people, with some 30 million more young men than young women (using figures from here and here).

National leaderships typically do their best to avoid being on the wrong end of bloody revolutions.

[aheb]

Well the US is pushing Russia to dump the dollar by excluding her from international trade. So it seems a bit strange the big guys in US are not aware of the consequences of such an action, but maybe they are aware
Jim Rickard the author of currency wars was asked by the CIA to show how the US could be attacked financially by China.......so they must know this is on the cards. also the US uses people who make predictive models based on Chaos mathamatics

check this out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_eFjLZqXt8

I think this is all planned in some way, it's just how that I don't know

[Snoweagle]

So where are the Israeli diplomats now? Have they returned to duties yet?

Basing post conflict predictions on pre-conflict speculations is absurd regardless of the markets. Whatever financial models exist this side of the conflict may not resemble those afterwards. None of them give a golden ****e about cost as they have promises and presses.
However this is going to play out, one thing is certain, the EU and US will change; regardless of whether the same could be said for Russia and China and so will the markets with those trade agreements.

Here's an Avalon "put" option:
The EU, US and Russia each have oligarchy's of Semite ancestry. (idle thought here: black salve can draw a cancer from the body).
China teams Russia to take the Allies, the EU stage kicks off, then in Asia. Regular warfare first. China has to over commit.
Russia secretly peace deals the Allies, now these turn on China.

This is more like the model those wheeling dealing sons o bitches would do. There would be extermination, slaughter and genocide throughout by all parties and there will NOT be a war crimes tribunal afterwards. Only the official story.

Furthermore, whatever the markets are going to do, after decades of planning - HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE. The post war model already exists: no, I don't know what it is nor gonna be.

The weaponry exists to depopulate already. Would be over in weeks. Wait six months, back to normal again.

Our influence exists now.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Russian Intelligence Ship Operating off U.S. East Coast: Pentagon

A Russian intelligence-gathering ship has been operating off the U.S. East Coast and near the Gulf of Mexico for the past month, the Pentagon said Thursday.

“We are aware that the Russian ships Viktor Leonov and Nikolay Chiker are currently operating in waters that are beyond U.S. territorial seas but near Cuba,” said Lt. Col. Tom Crosson, a Pentagon spokesman. “We respect the freedom of all nations, as reflected in international law, to operate military vessels beyond the territorial seas of other nations.” link

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Y90HzRj4yUw

This ship we call earth is in for a rough ride, but like these boats, we won't sink easy...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=A8A5IMkW-Kg

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Paul (here)
Yes - that is key for China and the other BRICS nations: whether they get another economic, monetary and financial system at least minimally functioning, before the US Dollar collapses back down from being the currency of world trade, contract and lending, to being once again just another national currency.

Posted by aheb (here)
Well the US is pushing Russia to dump the dollar by excluding her from international trade. So it seems a bit strange the big guys in US are not aware of the consequences of such an action, but maybe they are aware

Hmm .. perhaps the US Gangsters figure that the Chinese aren't ready to go live with their alternative systems, so the US is pushing to take down Russia and China with them.

If the US went sufficiently slowly, then the BRICS nations could "pick up the slack", putting alternative financial arrangements in place and maintaining some semblance of national stability. But if the demolition specialists can blow things up faster than the alternatives can be put in place, then all hell breaks loose, and the Satanic have the upper hand.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Paul (here)
China will be under great stress, once the world economy collapses and their customer base can no longer afford Chinese exports. Their massive malinvestment in empty cities, empty condos and soon to be empty factories, combined with a massive population of young adult males (greatly outnumbering females of similar age) will make political control of China very challenging.

It is not just China that has a surplus of males.

From WorldlifeExpectancy.com:

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INDIA HAS LOST 50,000,000 BRIDES:

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One survey of Indian abortion clinics found that as many as 7,999 out of 8,000 aborted babies were little girls.

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The above 50 million figure for India exceeds the 30 million figure I read earlier today for China.

[TrumanCash]

Posted by Paul (here)
The other possible way that an immediate crisis is avoided is if Putin continues to show the remarkable constraint he has shown so far.

This is spelled out in some detail in Mike Whitney's article Is Putin Being Lured Into a Trap?.

Imagine a major sports contest such as (for Americans) the Super Bowl of (odd-shaped) Football, or the World Series of Baseball. Imagine that there are no direct fans observing from the statium, rather only viewers on television. Imagine that the major "American" media broadcasting the event are totally one-sided in their bias for one of the teams over the other. Imagine that the "bad" team is to be painted as thugs, bullies, and worse. Imagine that the "good" team on the field is resorting to every underhanded trick in the book, and some that aren't (too highly classified perhaps) in order to get the "bad" team to react. Sooner or later, some camera will catch one of the "bad" guys reacting in some way that, in the right camera angle (with perhaps a little video editing and plain old lying) can be presented as evidence of how thuggish the "bad" guys are.

The bastards in Washington are spoiling for a fight. Putin is one tough nut if ever there was one. Jack Bauer of the old TV show "24" would be impressed. But the provocations would seem to continue without end until escalations are forced.

In the article you linked to it states: "The US State Department engineered the fascist-backed coup...."

Personally, I don't believe for one minute that Kerry, Obama, et al, engineered much of anything. It is no mystery to me who is really engineering this mess and as far as Earth humans goes it would be the international banksters/Bilderbergers and their henchmen. Obama, Kerry are just stage players acting out their scripts, IMO.

What I am wondering--Is Putin also just one of the actors following the script?

Why isn't Putin exposing the international banksters who are the source of this madness? (not counting the guys upstairs )

How could Putin not know who is really writing the script and pulling the strings?

Why doesn't Putin, the Chinese, et al just go capture, arrest or otherwise terminate the international bankers and end this insanity?

Where the hell are Fulford's 10,000 ninjas?!!!!!!

Instead, Putin keeps playing out the banksters' plans.

Anyway, that's just what I'm a-wonderin'.....

Truman

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by TrumanCash (here)

Posted by Paul (here)
The other possible way that an immediate crisis is avoided is if Putin continues to show the remarkable constraint he has shown so far.

This is spelled out in some detail in Mike Whitney's article Is Putin Being Lured Into a Trap?.

In the article you linked to it states: "The US State Department engineered the fascist-backed coup...."

Personally, I don't believe for one minute that Kerry, Obama, et al, engineered much of anything. It is no mystery to me who is really engineering this mess and as far as Earth humans goes it would be the international banksters/Bilderbergers and their henchmen. Obama, Kerry are just stage players acting out their scripts, IMO.

What I am wondering--Is Putin also just one of the actors following the script?

Good point about the State Department engineering this ... not much chance .

As for Putin, sometimes the distinction between an actor, and the role they play, gets blurred.

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So my question of whether Putin continues to play it cool or not might better have been phrased:

Does the script call for open financial war to erupt now?

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I'm figuring the script calls for that now.

However my batting average on such calls is abysmal .

[gripreaper]

The slow burn scenario, as Catherine Austin Fits, Joseph Farrell, Jim Marrs and certainly others have postulated, makes more sense to me when looking at the scripted demolition of the current paradigm, although I do not to rule out an "event" type overnight collapse scenario should it become necessary to keep the script on its path.

Collapse by stealth, one frog at a time in the warmth of the boiling water, gives the producers of the play more control over the actors, and thus the outcomes, as they steer both sides of the dialectic towards a new synthesis.

They shout imminent collapse, catastrophic events, extraterrestrial threats, bio-engineered viruses, state and national conflicts, and all manner of divisiveness to steer consciousness and keep us in a perpetual state of fear and scarcity, which placates our reactions to a certain degree, until you get a Bundy Ranch reaction. Even these types of reactions are engineered and designed to "blow off" tension so that the slaves fall back into their stupor which gives them the bread and circuses they need to stay entertained and asleep.

The bankster fiat system of commerce is fully entrenched and imbedded globally, and this alleged alliance of BRIC's who are allegedly going against this system, when they surrendered all their gold to this system in exchange for worthless bonds and petrodollars, while the bankster elite took the actual wealth of the planet and developed stellar technology which is purported to be thousands of years ahead of the current mainstream science and technology, are they going to bring their cap guns to a stellar lazer fight?

I don't think so. They are just actors on the opposite side of the dialectic.

[Eram]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by TrumanCash (here)

Posted by Paul (here)
The other possible way that an immediate crisis is avoided is if Putin continues to show the remarkable constraint he has shown so far.

This is spelled out in some detail in Mike Whitney's article Is Putin Being Lured Into a Trap?.

In the article you linked to it states: "The US State Department engineered the fascist-backed coup...."

Personally, I don't believe for one minute that Kerry, Obama, et al, engineered much of anything. It is no mystery to me who is really engineering this mess and as far as Earth humans goes it would be the international banksters/Bilderbergers and their henchmen. Obama, Kerry are just stage players acting out their scripts, IMO.

What I am wondering--Is Putin also just one of the actors following the script?

Good point about the State Department engineering this ... not much chance .

As for Putin, sometimes the distinction between an actor, and the role they play, gets blurred.

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So my question of whether Putin continues to play it cool or not might better have been phrased:

Does the script call for open financial war to erupt now?

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I'm figuring the script calls for that now.

However my batting average on such calls is abysmal .

Since RT stance for Russian Television and doesn't hold back in exposing the Western banking schemes, I would argue that the international bankers do not own both parties of a future WWIII yet.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=7zjCmYo3caM

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=rY8MVh0PP7U

Maybe (as mentioned in post # 19), The cabal has shares in major corporations in China and Russia, but when a war brakes out, what is more easy then to just take those shares back with a simple stroke of a pen?

My guess is that the shadow government (Rothshild, Rockefellers, Morgans etc) only own the western nations and their plan for NWO will have to include the braking of China, Russia, Iran and such.
That's the only thing that would make sense to me.

[T Smith]

Posted by TrumanCash (here)

Why doesn't Putin, the Chinese, et al just go capture, arrest or otherwise terminate the international bankers and end this insanity?

Where the hell are Fulford's 10,000 ninjas?!!!!!!

Instead, Putin keeps playing out the banksters' plans.

Anyway, that's just what I'm a-wonderin'.....

Truman

Purely speculative answer:

They only sensible explanation to your question would be if Putin (and the Chinese) were also beholden to (or powerless to combat) the very power structure that has hijacked the U.S government. They may not be powerless to engage the U.S. government itself, but rather impotent against the powers backing the U.S. government. These may well be the same powers pulling the strings of its own government. The U.S., Russian, and Chinese governments are largely servants to these powers.

If we consider the possibility that the international banking infestation isn't limited to the U.S. government and has tentacles cast throughout the world, it wouldn't be a stretch to envisage its power structure pitting its top lap dogs against each other (perhaps even unbeknownst to themselves), in a survival-of-the-fittest kind of way, with the promise of granting one world rule to the victor. Consolidating pockets of power on the planet only behoves its interests, lest one or another rogue government (one perhaps truly representative of the human people) become too powerful and eventually challenge the ruling order of things. In such case, may the strongest and most cunning band of human rulers seize and rule the world. May the power structure then reinforce its strings.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Eram (here)
Since RT stance for Russian Television and doesn't hold back in exposing the Western banking schemes, I would argue that the international bankers do not own both parties of a future WWIII yet.

At that level, there is clearly a great divide, yes.

But ...

1. are there over riding or higher dominant levels,
2. and if so are there divides in those higher levels as well,
3. and if so are the divides along the same lines?

I would answer (1) Yes, (2) Yes and (3) No.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by gripreaper (here)
The slow burn scenario, as Catherine Austin Fits, Joseph Farrell, Jim Marrs and certainly others have postulated, makes more sense to me when looking at the scripted demolition of the current paradigm, although I do not to rule out an "event" type overnight collapse scenario should it become necessary to keep the script on its path.

Now that you present these alternatives so clearly, it seems likely to me that neither the pure slow boil nor the pure total and sudden collapse scenarios are most likely.

Rather I would expect an ebb and flow, back and forth, sometimes sudden, sometimes gradual, sometimes obvious and sometimes obscured, with the usual mix of black swans and bizarre plot twists.