Validity of underground bases and tunnels in particular.

[Luke]

Posted by Ross (here)
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Ok...so this info was released around 1995...15 years ago. If this info is correct then what do they now have?
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This is very important question.
We take progress as something given. We did not expect long periods of stagnation or even going back.
Point is, if the Black Project World could stimulate real progress, that usually needs unbridled competition of many individuals to occur? Germans did that, by dismantling all normally uccuring blocks, like patents or science community "experts" (interested in status quo), but replacing them with party official whims. Russians we not capable of real progress at all- they refined concepts acquired by other means - they could order people to count but not to think, still they became pretty good at that.
Black World seemed to be infused with exotic tech from day one, but that was that: transplantation of ideas that originated somewhere else. Were they capable of creating completely new science needed for such tech? Or are they just refining and exploring handouts from handlers, whoever they are?

As for origins of bases: It seems obvious stage one was designed under pretence of creating safe "vaults" in case of nuclear war. Guess with level of scare, contractors bought that. Still, no real exotics can be employed when contractors were around.

On the other hand, such great earthworks need excavating enormous amount of rock material. Where do they dumped that? Even if tey vaporize the rock, they then need to vent out gasses somewhere, lots of them. "Old Faithful" do not cut it
Laser drills would need giant amount of energy to evaporate rocks. Think terawatts, or to visualise better: 250KT atomic bomb every second or even more No conventional reactor can provide that, meaning whole setup is deep black OR is just clever way to disguise real tech behind it. After all, you will expect any instantaneous travel scheme to be rather closely guarded secret, most of the workers would believe in purely material explanations, after all such laser drills were introduced to popular mind, and question of energy powering them is conveniently glossed over.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Yes I see where you're coming from Ross...The sheer size of these works carried out and to keep them hidden from us is a huge task in itself...

I suppose they are past masters at this ... just think what they have kept from us over the years...we live a 'lie' every day!!

Whilst we are busy stuck in this existance all trying to make ends meet... they keep us at bay 'full time'

Found these links that might be of interest...

http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_d...f37d2abc2220bf

http://www.think-aboutit.com/under.htm

viking

[Carmody]

The propulsion system for a UFO is used, at close range, the rock would be dissolved and removed dimensionally. This system would need high current, which would explain the Nuclear reactor. It would also create extreme heat in the adjacent materials, as those would not be subject to full and proper dimensional shifting/dissolution. Thus the walls would then be 'solidified'. Basically a high current burrowing UFO anti-gravity/temporal/dimensional engine on the front of the tunnel burrower. The wave itself would be created by something that would indeed look a lot like lasers in the visual result, but in this case be a pair of electromagnetic wide beams with the appearance of a high level of visible light output. The beams would be phased (lensed) so that the edging (lensing) of the intersecting beam system would not be perfect and thus excess energies in the not properly dissolved rocks at the edges of the fuzz of the beams' intersect would create the wall melt and subsequent solidification. This being a singular purpose device and the anti-gravity effects not really needing to be there... then a single phased and controlled beam would do the trick.

This is the perfected version of what we have seen in John Hutchison's attempts at matter manipulation.

Recall the stories of the similar based 'particle weapon' that uses two side-by-side beams (think double barreled shotgun in snout appearance, possibly) that when fired, would cause nearly square miles of ice to freeze. Another version of it, it is, and it is 'man portable'.

There are stories of a similar weapon being 'live tested' in Iraq, on people and objects. People were shrunk, set on fire, exploded, metals crushed, powdered, shrunk. Basically a particle beam weapon that does dimensional damage.

If you can have an astral body, have premonitions, and ghosts can cause electrical systems to malfunction and you can 'remote view', etc, etc...then this same dimensional energy can be manipulated. It is a case of using resonant energies in a polarized fashion to 'gate and control', like a giant transistor of a 'shape charged - controlled hose' of the very fabric of reality...in a very gross or 'blunt force' manner.

It is all the same thing and the same science. Essentially.

The particle weapon burrower/tunneler (based on the physics of UFO flight systems), if it had a time line of introduction, would probably be the early 80's, late 70's. Just a guess. This would be the same technology as the lifting pad devices seen on the man-made triangular craft.

Every field of physics, every science, every field of engineering we have today is hitting the limits of Newtonian physics and the limits of the existing quantum theories and every science is running headlong into the areas that they are trying to keep under control.

Everything we are doing these days is quantum, resonant, polarized, nano and molecular clump sized, laser control of single atoms, superdeformed atoms, dimensional theories, etc, etc. We are on the edge of bursting into these controlled areas and when it hits it will be like a a cross between a dam and a balloon bursting..a giant dam/balloon full of soon to be very angry bees made up of US..as we are the ones that have been slighted and lied to for the past 60 years. This is only the current cycle of lies, not the full scope of it. Merely the point at which the PTB have finally taken a shot at running well ahead of us technologically ---and we are on the verge of catching them at it, as more -and more -and more of public science begins to bang up against their erected limits in all areas of physics, math, technology, and engineering.

This is the why of the hammer coming down on us with regard to dumbing down and population control via deadly foods, deadly environments, the wrecking of economies, the forcing into remaining in fear and ignorance of the public.. and the PTB desire to cull the population so drastically and so imminently.

We are on the verge of technologically realizing the face of the truth.

Which is why the free energy field is so tightly watched and why so many people in that field, the entrepreneurs, the inventors the backyard creators..are all dying, all being killed, their existences being erased from the record. The PTB and those involved in the deepest aspects of these projects, they put watchdogs on the various internet discussion forums, the technological ones. So they can deflect the issues at the root sources, and watch closely. We know they do it in the political arenas, and the security front, and the UFO front, they also do it on the technological front.

The last, the technological front... being their most heavily watched and monitored. High level technology that is figured out by the common man in his backyard or home brew laboratory... creates instant reality and proofs, which can and would spread quickly...which is why it is subject to the most scrutiny and the most intense suppression and violence toward the inventors.

example: http://www.overunity.de/

If you announce that you have invented a free energy device and the basics (of the science) that you allude to seem consistent with the existing known parameters of where this is going to (to even do it in a private emailing list), I can pretty well assure you that you will know the face of this overall group within 48 hours (semi-obvious observation). Or less.

[noxon medem]

How could "they" manage to keep such huge, resource-consuming enterprise a secret to the common man ?
- A lot can be done by a few technicians and robotic, mechanich and advanced technological machinery.
Silencing the workers is a matter of requiting the suitable ones, give them a convincing story of the mighty
importance of their work and keeping it secret, even making them sign and sware to obey to that.

If someone, like the honorable Phil Schneider comes forward, they make sure all know there is a risk.
Of ridicule, threats, sabotage and accident. Economic and social setbacks. Concern for family.
These workers know to balance risk and benefit. What can they gain from coming forward with their stories ?
If they can find a chanel for it at all. That in itself is enough to silence most.
- And the rest look for other possibilities and ways to express.
( And now, through (and thanks to ) projects like Camelot and Avalon, they have the possibility and backing.)

Personaly I find Phil Schneider to be a credible witness.
- here some videos, this one from may 1995:


http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...2860678943465#

- Could he be subject to mind manipulation, and false memories ?
If what he, and others, say is true, and there is so advanced technologies, then Yes of course it could happen.
I don't know, and he seems genuine to me.

Here the last known recording of him giving a lecture,
november 1995 ( intro text is a bit informative, and a bit over the top, like Phil )


http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...9324182317197#

- some related video google search results:
http://www.google.com/search?q=phil+...ource=vgc&aq=f

Another suggestion on the subject:
- What if chinese labour is used, for this as so much else, or some other foreign workforce ?
These would have little idea what they are part of, allmost no way to communicate their experiences to
anyone in the western world, and if they were to go home after the project, it is to a remote village, far
from everything we ever get to know.

Interesting to speculate about this, if we assume the underground structures realy exist,
- and is that large and so technicaly advanced.

Funny, how it seems like all the best, and most, of the resources
are used down in the ground or up in the sky.
- According to story.
Just not here, on the surface, in the middle.

[Fredkc]

One of the nice things about living out here in the west, is the completely different notion we have about space.

About 5 minutes drive from me is the Interstate 15 highway. 300 miles down the road is Las Vegas. For approximately 250 of those 300 miles, you can pull the car over, walk no more than 1/4 of a mile and quite literally dance naked in broad daylight, and not a soul will ever see you. In fact, you would probably wind up dancing where no human being has ever set foot. There are areas, hundreds of miles square that doesn't even see a jack rabbit more than once a week.

Next item:
When you consider that most of the ex-,military who were ordered to keep their mouth shut, about this or that took 30-50 years before they came forward, because they were told it was a "matter of national security" and complied...

Well, the US Army has the Corp OF Engineers. A complete civil engineering unit that is world-wide, and management routinely gives them just such orders.

Not such a far stretch after all, when you consider it.

An example closer to home:
My father was one of the engineers in charge of building the Hanford Nuclear Plant, up in Richland, Washington. My brother-in-law worked there in things nuclear, for nearly 30 years. I have maybe traded a combined total of 20 sentences with both of them on the subject.

"Back in the day", when the government told people to keep shut, and take an oath, they took what they knew to the grave.
T'was just how you were raised.

Even closer to home:
Back when I did Aerospace machining, I knew of such things as "rasterized energy weapons"; using the same concept as a television tube, to 'enlarge' the beam from an energy weapon. Said project is already 20 years old, yet I have never heard a single word, in public, about this.
Fred

[truthseekerdan]

Secret Construction of Underground Tunnels, Cities By World Elites: Video Proof

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=CBtnNSwJNYM

More interesting videos here: http://alligatorfarm.wordpress.com/2...s-video-proof/

[Carmody]

Well, if you add in the hypothesis on increased 02 and specifically pressure..drastically increasing lifespans, possibly.....that could prove to be an interesting angle. A mile down does definitely increase the pressure on the human system.

If I ever get the spare money, I WILL buy a hyperbaric (o2) chamber for sleeping in. Just to see what it does.....

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Apparently it is only when going more than 6km down, does it finally present problems.


http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=...hRKSQUD1lpHbwQ

nitrogen narcosis and oxygen toxicity are estimated to occur at 16km to 22km depth --all in air, of course. Water depth is a much bigger problem due to the mass difference of water vs air..and the water being so heavy that 5km down in a mine, in air.. is the same as being at a lousy 7M of water depth. (23 ft, or so)

My Brother in law worked at about 3km down,and was the healthiest he's ever been in his life. In the mine he was in, if you did not get out when the coolers failed, you would be slow cooked, like a Filipino pig in a pit.