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    In addtion to being an empath, are you highly sensitive? I know that I am, but most of the time I wish I wasn't. I can relate to the suffering of others as it if was mine. Especially when I see animals being abused it hurts my soul, after all they are our companions. Humans are more responsible because we are free to choose... And wisely we should choose. Pros and cons of being a highly sensitive empath? Well, I can "see" and feel more, like multidimensionally. I see it all. Otherwise, it's a a burden.

    In addition, I wonder that how many of us empath's are INFJ's or INFP's? See this.
    INFP. I just took it. So far your suspicions are correct.
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    In addtion to being an empath, are you highly sensitive? I know that I am, but most of the time I wish I wasn't. I can relate to the suffering of others as it if was mine. Especially when I see animals being abused it hurts my soul, after all they are our companions. Humans are more responsible because we are free to choose... And wisely we should choose. Pros and cons of being a highly sensitive empath? Well, I can "see" and feel more, like multidimensionally. I see it all. Otherwise, it's a a burden.

    In addition, I wonder that how many of us empath's are INFJ's or INFP's? See this.
    INFP. I just took it. So far your suspicious are correct.
    I am also an INFP! Curious.....
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    Hahaa, I knew it! I'm INFJ, borderline INFP. All empaths should try that test and tell their results here.
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    Dear empaths,

    Here are a few words about your "natural" predators...

    EMPATHIC PEOPLE ARE NATURAL TARGETS FOR SOCIOPATHS – PROTECT YOURSELF

    October 30, 2013

    The empathy trap: therapists and counsellors almost by definition are empathic, to facilitate clients’ recovery – but this quality can mean those carers are targets for sociopaths, aided by what Dr Jane & Tim McGregor call “apaths”. The first UK article on this cruel sport shows how to identify and thus avoid it.

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    People targeted by a sociopath often respond with self-deprecating comments like “I was stupid”, “what was I thinking” of “I should’ve listened to my gut instinct”. But being involved with a sociopath is like being brainwashed. The sociopath’s superficial charm is usually the means by which s/he conditions people.

    On initial contact, a sociopath will often test other people’s empathy, so questions geared towards discovering if you are highly empathic or not should ring alarm bells. People with a highly empathic disposition are often targeted. Those with lower levels of empathy are often passed over, though they can be drawn in and used by sociopaths as part of their cruel entertainment.

    Sociopaths make up 25% of the prison population, committing over twice as many aggressive acts as other criminals. The reoffending rate of sociopaths is about double that of other offenders, and for violent crimes it is triple.

    But not all sociopaths are found in prison. There is the less-visible burden of sociopath-induced emotional trauma which, if left unchecked, can lead to anxiety disorders, depression and post-traumatic stress disorder. Chronically traumatised people often exhibit hypervigilant, anxious and agitated behaviour, symptoms such as tension headaches, gastrointestinal disturbances, abdominal pain, back pain, tremors and nausea.

    Exposure to and interaction with a sociopath in childhood can leave lifelong scars. This can apply to people in therapy – and for those who in recovery trained as therapists, re-exposure as an adult can trigger old emotions and PTSD.

    This article is not about sociopaths per se but about surviving the harm they cause.

    EVERYDAY SOCIOPATHS



    Many sociopaths wreak havoc in a covert way, so that their underlying condition remains hidden for years. They can possess a superficial charm, and this diverts attention from disturbing aspects of their nature.

    The following case history illustrates how people can be systematically targeted until they feel they can barely trust their own sense of reality – what we call “gaslighting”. Sociopathic abuse is targeted abuse. It can wreck lives. Victims can become survivors, but at huge cost.

    At school, ‘James’ took a dislike to a classmate, ‘Sam’, who was sensitive and popular. He would mock him for auditioning for the school play or for getting upset over failing a test. The situation deteriorated when it became known that Sam’s parents were separating. Sam appeared to be taking it with fortitude, to the admiration of his peers. He also got attention and sympathy from the school staff, especially James’ favourite teacher: ie, the one he manipulated most easily.

    James decided on a plan of covert bullying. He started a whispering campaign implying that Sam’s parents were not splitting up, that he had said they were in order to seek attention. Sadly, this was all too successful and over the next few days Sam was met with silence and verbal bullying from his hitherto-supportive classmates.

    James continued his campaign, targeting Sam’s close friends over the next few days. They found themselves accused of misdemeanours such as sending offensive emails/texts. Then the ‘favourite’ teacher went on “leave with immediate effect” after accusations of assaulting a pupil. Where had the accusations come from?

    Guess.

    This case shows how deliberately sociopaths, from a young age, can target others. Taking advantage of people’s credibility and goodwill, James exploited the situation. With a more perceptive head teacher, this sociopath might have been found out, but he knew who to manipulate and how far he could go.

    SEE THE EMPEROR/EMPRESS’S CLOTHES



    To deal with sociopaths effectively, you first need to open your eyes. In The Emperor’s New Clothes by Hans Christian Anderson, two weavers promise the emperor a new suit of clothes that is invisible to those who are stupid and unfit for their positions. When the emperor parades before his subjects, all the adults, not wishing to be seen in a negative light, pretend they can see the clothes. The only truthful person is a child who cries “But he isn’t wearing any clothes!”. You, too, need to see sociopaths as they really are.

    We are conditioned to keep quiet, which often means turning a blind eye to or putting up with abuse. The boy in the tale represents those who see the problem behaviour for what it is and find the courage of their convictions to make a stand. Sight becomes insight, which turns into action. Awareness is the first step in limiting the negative effects of contact with a sociopath.

    INTERACTIONS OF THE SOCIOPATH



    Let’s look at what we term the Socio-Empath-Apath Triad, or Seat. Unremitting abuse of other people is an activity of the sociopath that stands out. To win their games, sociopaths enlist the help of hangers-on: apaths.

    The apath. We call those who collude in the sport of the sociopath apathetic, or apaths. In this situation, it means a lack of concern or being indifferent to the targeted person.

    We have highlighted the importance of seeing the problem for what it is via the tale of the Emperor’s New Clothes, which represents the collective denial and double standards which are often a feature of social life. The apath in this context is someone who is willing to be blind: ie, not to see that the emperor/empress is naked.

    Apaths are an integral part of the sociopath’s arsenal and contribute to sociopathic abuse. Sociopaths have an uncanny knack of knowing who will assist them in bringing down the person they are targeting. It is not necessarily easy to identify an apath; in other circumstances, an apath can show ample empathy and concern for others – just not in this case. The one attribute an apath must have is a link to the target.

    How apaths, who might otherwise be fair-minded people, become involved in such destructive business is not hard to understand, but it can be hard to accept. The main qualifying attribute is poor judgment resulting from lack of insight. They might be jealous of or angry at the target, and thus have something to gain from the evolving situation.

    At other times, the apath might not want to see the ‘bad’ in someone, particularly if the sociopath is useful. Or they might choose not to see because they have enough on their plate and do not possess the wherewithal or moral courage to help the targeted person at that time. Usually, be it active or passive involvement, the apath’s conscience appears to fall asleep. It is this scenario that causes people blindly to follow leaders motivated only by self-interest.

    Readers might know of Yale University professor Stanley Milgram’s experiments to test the human propensity to obey orders, as participants gave increasingly large electric shocks to subjects. Afterwards, he wrote an article, The Perils of Obedience: “Ordinary people, simply doing their jobs and without any particular hostility on their part, can become agents in a terrible destructive process”.

    Apaths are often fearful people. They are the ones most likely to go with the flow, to agree that the emperor/empress is wearing new clothes. They might also fail to perceive the threat: a danger is of no importance if you deny its existence. An apath’s response to a sociopath’s call to arms can then result from a state of ‘learned helplessness’. Apaths behave defencelessly because they want to avoid unpleasant or harmful circumstances [including the sociopath turning on them]. Apathy is an avoidance strategy.



    The empath
    . Often, the person targeted by the sociopath is an empath. Empaths are ordinary people who are highly perceptive and insightful and belong to the 40% of human beings who sense when something’s not right, who respond to their gut instinct. In The Emperor’s New Clothes, the empath is the boy who mentions the unmentionable: that there are no clothes.

    In the 1990s, researchers suggested that there was a positive relationship between empathy and emotional intelligence. Since then, that term has been used interchangeably with emotional literacy. What this means in practice is that empaths have the ability to understand their own emotions, to listen to other people and empathise with their emotions, to express emotions productively and to handle their emotions in such a way as to improve their personal power.

    People are often attracted to empaths because of their compassionate nature. A particular attribute is that they are sensitive to the emotional distress of others. Conversely, they have trouble comprehending a closed mind and lack of compassion in others.

    Very highly empathic people can find themselves helping others at the expense of their own needs, which can lead them to withdraw from the world at times.

    It is odd. Most of us enjoy watching films and reading books about heroes who refuse to go along with the crowd, which suggests there is something admirable about people who make a bold stand. But in real life, watching someone raise their head above the parapet often makes the rest of us feel queasy. Most – the 60% majority – prefer the easy life. It was interesting to discover, when doing the research for this book, how often people see empaths in problematical terms.

    Empaths use their ability to emphasise and to boost theirs and others’ wellbeing and safety. Problems arise for empaths, however, when there are apaths in the vicinity. Empaths can be brought down, distressed and forced into the position of the lone fighter by the inaction of more apathetic types round them.

    THE SOCIOPATHIC TRANSACTION



    Often empaths are targeted by sociopaths because they pose the greatest threat. The empath is usually the first to detect that something is not right and express what s/he senses. As a consequence, the empath is both the sociopath’s number one foe and a source of attraction; the empath’s responses and actions provide excellent entertainment for sociopaths, who use and abuse people for sport.

    The world of the empath is not for the faint-hearted. In the context we are discussing, empaths often find themselves up against not only the sociopath but often a flock of apaths as well. Apaths are afforded pole position in the sociopath’s intrigues. But this prime spot comes at a price for, in what we call the “sociopathic transaction”, the apath makes an unspoken Faustian pact with the sociopath, then passively or otherwise participates in the cruel sport.

    SOCIOPATH-EMPATH-APATH TRIAD



    The usual set-up goes like this: the empath is forced to make a stand on seeing the sociopath say or do something underhand. The empath challenges the sociopath, who straight away throws others off the scent and shifts the blame on to the empath. The empath becomes an object of abuse when the apath corroborates the sociopath’s perspective.

    The situation usually ends badly for the empath and sometimes also for the apath, if their conscience returns to haunt them or they later become an object of abuse themselves. But, frustratingly, the sociopath often goes scot free.

    Sociopaths rarely vary this tried-and-tested formula because it virtually guarantees them success.

    Sociopaths draw in apaths by various means: flattery, bribery, disorienting them with lies. A sociopath will go to any lengths to win her game. The best way to illustrate the interplay, and the ease with which apaths are pulled in, is by another short story.



    ‘Steve and Robin’ were microbiologists at a prestigious university, collaborating on an important vaccine trial. The department head, Ben, hoped to gain substantially; success could see his status in his field rise and prove the catalyst for a glittering career.

    His colleagues worked relentlessly collecting data, then Ben drafted a paper for submission to a respected journal. He decided that the outcome didn’t look tantalising, so falsified key results in order to present findings in the best light. On completing the draft, he sent the paper for comment to his colleagues. Steve replied by email that he was happy with the manuscript; he used the opportunity to suck up to his boss. But Robin was aghast, noting colossal errors. With great urgency, he rattled off an email to Ben.

    Receiving no response to this or a phone call, Robin went to find Ben in person, discovering him in the cafeteria with Steve. But he was too late. Ben had poisoned Steve’s mind, saying that Robin had challenged him over the accuracy of the results, due to a longstanding grudge. Ben said he had to pull Robin up about his own work several months back. Steve was different, Ben implied. He intimated Steve would be on course for promotion “especially if we get this paper out and secure funding for the next-stage trials”.

    By the time Ben joined them, Steve, though initially shocked, had been won over by Ben’s swift flattery and insinuations

    Robin crossed the cafeteria to them. “Hi, you two got a moment?” Briefly there was an awkward silence. Steve exchanged a look with Ben, who gave a slight conspiratorial smile, now that the transaction was done and the sport under way. “Yes, we were just talking about the paper. By the way, I did see your email, but if you look at the paper thoroughly, I think you’ll find that everything is correct.” Steve replied with a smug look that “I’m with Ben on this one”. Robin was floored. “You can’t be serious? You’re happy for it to go off to be reviewed with all these serious errors? Our reputations will be left in ruins.”

    He decided to make a stand. He asked for his name to be removed as a co-author but was exasperated to learn that it was sent off to the journal anyway. More frustratingly, it was published. Meanwhile, the workplace became a source of stress for Robin as he struggled to cope with the backlash from colleagues who saw his intervention as an attempt to sabotage their work. People avoided him and, when they did talk to him, the conversation was stilted.

    Eventually Robin arranged a meeting with Ben to have it out once and for all. But Ben took control of the agenda. “Robin, I have to be honest with you, many of your colleagues are unhappy about the way you handled things and some have made complaints. They don’t trust you to conduct yourself professionally after you attempted to sabotage their hard work. Mercifully the reviewers saw what a fine trial we’d conducted and didn’t get wind of your attempted slur.

    “We can’t afford to have a saboteur on the team. So I’ve discussed this with the dean and he agrees there is no future for you here, and there’s no other way to deal with this. You’ve got to go.”

    Any phase of this story sound familiar?

    THE GASLIGHTING EFFECT



    In the story above, the actions of Ben and Steve have a ‘gaslighting’ effect on Robin. Gaslighting is a systematic attempt by one person to erode another’s reality. The syndrome gets its name from the play and films of the same name in which a murderer strives to make his wife doubt her sanity and get others to disbelieve her.

    Gaslighting is a form of psychological abuse in which false information is presented in such a way as to make the target doubt his/her memory and perception. Psychologists call this “the sociopath’s dance”. It could involve denial or staging of strange events.

    This is Machiavellian behaviour of the worst kind. And anyone can become a victim of the sociopath’s gaslighting moves: parent and child, in-laws, friends, groups of people including work colleagues.

    Psychotherapist Christine Louise de Canonville describes different phases that the abuser leads the relationship through:
    >> the idealisation stage, where the sociopath shows herself in the best possible light – but this phase is an illusion, to draw her target in

    >> the devaluation stage begins gradually so the target is not alert to the sociopath’s transformation to being cold and unfeeling, but will begin to feel devalued at every turn; the more distressed the target becomes, the more the sociopath enjoys her power, and her abuse can become more extreme

    >> the discarding stage – the target is reduced to an object to which the sociopath is indifferent, seeing the game as won; the sociopath rejects any connection, moving on to the next target.
    Gaslighting does not happen all at once so, if you suspect in the early stages of a relationship that you are being gaslighted, you can protect yourself by walking away.

    To learn more, including how to recover from exposure to a prolonged sociopathic transaction, buy The Empathy Trap: Understanding antisocial personalities by Dr Jane and Tim McGregor (Sheldon Press, ISBN 978-1847092762).

    DR JANE McGREGOR is a freelance trainer and lecturer at the Institute of Mental Health, University of Nottingham. She holds a PhD in public health and worked in the NHS and voluntary sector, mostly in the field of addiction treatment.

    TIM McGREGOR is freelance consultant and trainer, and a mental-health practitioner of many years’ standing. He has worked in the NHS and voluntary sector, most recently as a commissioning adviser.


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    Hahaa, I knew it! I'm INFJ, borderline INFP. All empaths should try that test and tell their results here.
    I am a sensitive empath but I am an ENFJ

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    Dear empaths,

    Here are a few words about your "natural" predators...

    EMPATHIC PEOPLE ARE NATURAL TARGETS FOR SOCIOPATHS – PROTECT YOURSELF

    October 30, 2013

    The empathy trap: therapists and counsellors almost by definition are empathic, to facilitate clients’ recovery – but this quality can mean those carers are targets for sociopaths, aided by what Dr Jane & Tim McGregor call “apaths”. The first UK article on this cruel sport shows how to identify and thus avoid it.

    Print-friendly version: Download AddictionToday145-Sociopath-empath-apath-triad



    People targeted by a sociopath often respond with self-deprecating comments like “I was stupid”, “what was I thinking” of “I should’ve listened to my gut instinct”. But being involved with a sociopath is like being brainwashed. The sociopath’s superficial charm is usually the means by which s/he conditions people.

    On initial contact, a sociopath will often test other people’s empathy, so questions geared towards discovering if you are highly empathic or not should ring alarm bells. People with a highly empathic disposition are often targeted. Those with lower levels of empathy are often passed over, though they can be drawn in and used by sociopaths as part of their cruel entertainment.

    Sociopaths make up 25% of the prison population, committing over twice as many aggressive acts as other criminals. The reoffending rate of sociopaths is about double that of other offenders, and for violent crimes it is triple.

    But not all sociopaths are found in prison. There is the less-visible burden of sociopath-induced emotional trauma which, if left unchecked, can lead to anxiety disorders, depression and post-traumatic stress disorder. Chronically traumatised people often exhibit hypervigilant, anxious and agitated behaviour, symptoms such as tension headaches, gastrointestinal disturbances, abdominal pain, back pain, tremors and nausea.

    Exposure to and interaction with a sociopath in childhood can leave lifelong scars. This can apply to people in therapy – and for those who in recovery trained as therapists, re-exposure as an adult can trigger old emotions and PTSD.

    This article is not about sociopaths per se but about surviving the harm they cause.

    EVERYDAY SOCIOPATHS



    Many sociopaths wreak havoc in a covert way, so that their underlying condition remains hidden for years. They can possess a superficial charm, and this diverts attention from disturbing aspects of their nature.

    The following case history illustrates how people can be systematically targeted until they feel they can barely trust their own sense of reality – what we call “gaslighting”. Sociopathic abuse is targeted abuse. It can wreck lives. Victims can become survivors, but at huge cost.

    At school, ‘James’ took a dislike to a classmate, ‘Sam’, who was sensitive and popular. He would mock him for auditioning for the school play or for getting upset over failing a test. The situation deteriorated when it became known that Sam’s parents were separating. Sam appeared to be taking it with fortitude, to the admiration of his peers. He also got attention and sympathy from the school staff, especially James’ favourite teacher: ie, the one he manipulated most easily.

    James decided on a plan of covert bullying. He started a whispering campaign implying that Sam’s parents were not splitting up, that he had said they were in order to seek attention. Sadly, this was all too successful and over the next few days Sam was met with silence and verbal bullying from his hitherto-supportive classmates.

    James continued his campaign, targeting Sam’s close friends over the next few days. They found themselves accused of misdemeanours such as sending offensive emails/texts. Then the ‘favourite’ teacher went on “leave with immediate effect” after accusations of assaulting a pupil. Where had the accusations come from?

    Guess.

    This case shows how deliberately sociopaths, from a young age, can target others. Taking advantage of people’s credibility and goodwill, James exploited the situation. With a more perceptive head teacher, this sociopath might have been found out, but he knew who to manipulate and how far he could go.

    SEE THE EMPEROR/EMPRESS’S CLOTHES



    To deal with sociopaths effectively, you first need to open your eyes. In The Emperor’s New Clothes by Hans Christian Anderson, two weavers promise the emperor a new suit of clothes that is invisible to those who are stupid and unfit for their positions. When the emperor parades before his subjects, all the adults, not wishing to be seen in a negative light, pretend they can see the clothes. The only truthful person is a child who cries “But he isn’t wearing any clothes!”. You, too, need to see sociopaths as they really are.

    We are conditioned to keep quiet, which often means turning a blind eye to or putting up with abuse. The boy in the tale represents those who see the problem behaviour for what it is and find the courage of their convictions to make a stand. Sight becomes insight, which turns into action. Awareness is the first step in limiting the negative effects of contact with a sociopath.

    INTERACTIONS OF THE SOCIOPATH



    Let’s look at what we term the Socio-Empath-Apath Triad, or Seat. Unremitting abuse of other people is an activity of the sociopath that stands out. To win their games, sociopaths enlist the help of hangers-on: apaths.

    The apath. We call those who collude in the sport of the sociopath apathetic, or apaths. In this situation, it means a lack of concern or being indifferent to the targeted person.

    We have highlighted the importance of seeing the problem for what it is via the tale of the Emperor’s New Clothes, which represents the collective denial and double standards which are often a feature of social life. The apath in this context is someone who is willing to be blind: ie, not to see that the emperor/empress is naked.

    Apaths are an integral part of the sociopath’s arsenal and contribute to sociopathic abuse. Sociopaths have an uncanny knack of knowing who will assist them in bringing down the person they are targeting. It is not necessarily easy to identify an apath; in other circumstances, an apath can show ample empathy and concern for others – just not in this case. The one attribute an apath must have is a link to the target.

    How apaths, who might otherwise be fair-minded people, become involved in such destructive business is not hard to understand, but it can be hard to accept. The main qualifying attribute is poor judgment resulting from lack of insight. They might be jealous of or angry at the target, and thus have something to gain from the evolving situation.

    At other times, the apath might not want to see the ‘bad’ in someone, particularly if the sociopath is useful. Or they might choose not to see because they have enough on their plate and do not possess the wherewithal or moral courage to help the targeted person at that time. Usually, be it active or passive involvement, the apath’s conscience appears to fall asleep. It is this scenario that causes people blindly to follow leaders motivated only by self-interest.

    Readers might know of Yale University professor Stanley Milgram’s experiments to test the human propensity to obey orders, as participants gave increasingly large electric shocks to subjects. Afterwards, he wrote an article, The Perils of Obedience: “Ordinary people, simply doing their jobs and without any particular hostility on their part, can become agents in a terrible destructive process”.

    Apaths are often fearful people. They are the ones most likely to go with the flow, to agree that the emperor/empress is wearing new clothes. They might also fail to perceive the threat: a danger is of no importance if you deny its existence. An apath’s response to a sociopath’s call to arms can then result from a state of ‘learned helplessness’. Apaths behave defencelessly because they want to avoid unpleasant or harmful circumstances [including the sociopath turning on them]. Apathy is an avoidance strategy.



    The empath
    . Often, the person targeted by the sociopath is an empath. Empaths are ordinary people who are highly perceptive and insightful and belong to the 40% of human beings who sense when something’s not right, who respond to their gut instinct. In The Emperor’s New Clothes, the empath is the boy who mentions the unmentionable: that there are no clothes.

    In the 1990s, researchers suggested that there was a positive relationship between empathy and emotional intelligence. Since then, that term has been used interchangeably with emotional literacy. What this means in practice is that empaths have the ability to understand their own emotions, to listen to other people and empathise with their emotions, to express emotions productively and to handle their emotions in such a way as to improve their personal power.

    People are often attracted to empaths because of their compassionate nature. A particular attribute is that they are sensitive to the emotional distress of others. Conversely, they have trouble comprehending a closed mind and lack of compassion in others.

    Very highly empathic people can find themselves helping others at the expense of their own needs, which can lead them to withdraw from the world at times.

    It is odd. Most of us enjoy watching films and reading books about heroes who refuse to go along with the crowd, which suggests there is something admirable about people who make a bold stand. But in real life, watching someone raise their head above the parapet often makes the rest of us feel queasy. Most – the 60% majority – prefer the easy life. It was interesting to discover, when doing the research for this book, how often people see empaths in problematical terms.

    Empaths use their ability to emphasise and to boost theirs and others’ wellbeing and safety. Problems arise for empaths, however, when there are apaths in the vicinity. Empaths can be brought down, distressed and forced into the position of the lone fighter by the inaction of more apathetic types round them.

    THE SOCIOPATHIC TRANSACTION



    Often empaths are targeted by sociopaths because they pose the greatest threat. The empath is usually the first to detect that something is not right and express what s/he senses. As a consequence, the empath is both the sociopath’s number one foe and a source of attraction; the empath’s responses and actions provide excellent entertainment for sociopaths, who use and abuse people for sport.

    The world of the empath is not for the faint-hearted. In the context we are discussing, empaths often find themselves up against not only the sociopath but often a flock of apaths as well. Apaths are afforded pole position in the sociopath’s intrigues. But this prime spot comes at a price for, in what we call the “sociopathic transaction”, the apath makes an unspoken Faustian pact with the sociopath, then passively or otherwise participates in the cruel sport.

    SOCIOPATH-EMPATH-APATH TRIAD



    The usual set-up goes like this: the empath is forced to make a stand on seeing the sociopath say or do something underhand. The empath challenges the sociopath, who straight away throws others off the scent and shifts the blame on to the empath. The empath becomes an object of abuse when the apath corroborates the sociopath’s perspective.

    The situation usually ends badly for the empath and sometimes also for the apath, if their conscience returns to haunt them or they later become an object of abuse themselves. But, frustratingly, the sociopath often goes scot free.

    Sociopaths rarely vary this tried-and-tested formula because it virtually guarantees them success.

    Sociopaths draw in apaths by various means: flattery, bribery, disorienting them with lies. A sociopath will go to any lengths to win her game. The best way to illustrate the interplay, and the ease with which apaths are pulled in, is by another short story.



    ‘Steve and Robin’ were microbiologists at a prestigious university, collaborating on an important vaccine trial. The department head, Ben, hoped to gain substantially; success could see his status in his field rise and prove the catalyst for a glittering career.

    His colleagues worked relentlessly collecting data, then Ben drafted a paper for submission to a respected journal. He decided that the outcome didn’t look tantalising, so falsified key results in order to present findings in the best light. On completing the draft, he sent the paper for comment to his colleagues. Steve replied by email that he was happy with the manuscript; he used the opportunity to suck up to his boss. But Robin was aghast, noting colossal errors. With great urgency, he rattled off an email to Ben.

    Receiving no response to this or a phone call, Robin went to find Ben in person, discovering him in the cafeteria with Steve. But he was too late. Ben had poisoned Steve’s mind, saying that Robin had challenged him over the accuracy of the results, due to a longstanding grudge. Ben said he had to pull Robin up about his own work several months back. Steve was different, Ben implied. He intimated Steve would be on course for promotion “especially if we get this paper out and secure funding for the next-stage trials”.

    By the time Ben joined them, Steve, though initially shocked, had been won over by Ben’s swift flattery and insinuations

    Robin crossed the cafeteria to them. “Hi, you two got a moment?” Briefly there was an awkward silence. Steve exchanged a look with Ben, who gave a slight conspiratorial smile, now that the transaction was done and the sport under way. “Yes, we were just talking about the paper. By the way, I did see your email, but if you look at the paper thoroughly, I think you’ll find that everything is correct.” Steve replied with a smug look that “I’m with Ben on this one”. Robin was floored. “You can’t be serious? You’re happy for it to go off to be reviewed with all these serious errors? Our reputations will be left in ruins.”

    He decided to make a stand. He asked for his name to be removed as a co-author but was exasperated to learn that it was sent off to the journal anyway. More frustratingly, it was published. Meanwhile, the workplace became a source of stress for Robin as he struggled to cope with the backlash from colleagues who saw his intervention as an attempt to sabotage their work. People avoided him and, when they did talk to him, the conversation was stilted.

    Eventually Robin arranged a meeting with Ben to have it out once and for all. But Ben took control of the agenda. “Robin, I have to be honest with you, many of your colleagues are unhappy about the way you handled things and some have made complaints. They don’t trust you to conduct yourself professionally after you attempted to sabotage their hard work. Mercifully the reviewers saw what a fine trial we’d conducted and didn’t get wind of your attempted slur.

    “We can’t afford to have a saboteur on the team. So I’ve discussed this with the dean and he agrees there is no future for you here, and there’s no other way to deal with this. You’ve got to go.”

    Any phase of this story sound familiar?

    THE GASLIGHTING EFFECT



    In the story above, the actions of Ben and Steve have a ‘gaslighting’ effect on Robin. Gaslighting is a systematic attempt by one person to erode another’s reality. The syndrome gets its name from the play and films of the same name in which a murderer strives to make his wife doubt her sanity and get others to disbelieve her.

    Gaslighting is a form of psychological abuse in which false information is presented in such a way as to make the target doubt his/her memory and perception. Psychologists call this “the sociopath’s dance”. It could involve denial or staging of strange events.

    This is Machiavellian behaviour of the worst kind. And anyone can become a victim of the sociopath’s gaslighting moves: parent and child, in-laws, friends, groups of people including work colleagues.

    Psychotherapist Christine Louise de Canonville describes different phases that the abuser leads the relationship through:
    >> the idealisation stage, where the sociopath shows herself in the best possible light – but this phase is an illusion, to draw her target in

    >> the devaluation stage begins gradually so the target is not alert to the sociopath’s transformation to being cold and unfeeling, but will begin to feel devalued at every turn; the more distressed the target becomes, the more the sociopath enjoys her power, and her abuse can become more extreme

    >> the discarding stage – the target is reduced to an object to which the sociopath is indifferent, seeing the game as won; the sociopath rejects any connection, moving on to the next target.
    Gaslighting does not happen all at once so, if you suspect in the early stages of a relationship that you are being gaslighted, you can protect yourself by walking away.

    To learn more, including how to recover from exposure to a prolonged sociopathic transaction, buy The Empathy Trap: Understanding antisocial personalities by Dr Jane and Tim McGregor (Sheldon Press, ISBN 978-1847092762).

    DR JANE McGREGOR is a freelance trainer and lecturer at the Institute of Mental Health, University of Nottingham. She holds a PhD in public health and worked in the NHS and voluntary sector, mostly in the field of addiction treatment.

    TIM McGREGOR is freelance consultant and trainer, and a mental-health practitioner of many years’ standing. He has worked in the NHS and voluntary sector, most recently as a commissioning adviser.


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    Well, that explains a few things. doh
    I always wondered why I attract people into my life that are not really interested in my best interests. In the end, i do blame myself for being half asleep at the wheel so to speak. Anyway, the article makes a lot of sense regarding the fact they seek out people like us.
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    I can relate to pretty much all of the above with the exception of #30. Which is probably why I have been sleeping a lot more and working with my mini garden every day. Plants are much easier to deal with sometimes, especially when many people are also going through so much turmoil...Makes it quite difficult for us empaths for sure.

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    Quote Posted by heretogrow (here)
    Ok so now I will let you know how weird I really am, . Some of us feel like we can communicate with mother earth and the sun as well as her inhabitants. I think I may have mentioned this on another thread a long time ago, but each time I greet the son, I do so with a melodious, Helloooo Gorgeoussss! I know some will say this is my imagination but the sun will actually twinkle or ramp up at this greeting as if to say it acknowledges my admiration. Often times, not always depending on my state of awareness, the earth seems to answer with her wind.

    Laugh if you must but both of them have become a part of my everyday life!

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    Then I must be weird too! When I am outside and admiring the tree's saying my hello, the wind picks up a bit as if to say hello back

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    Fantastic thread! I had most of the traits as well. And I am an INFP too! Amazing. I become more sensitive as time passes. I couldn't watch any media with violence, and once was dragged to dawn of the dead and left in the middle and threw up on the sidewalk. I hate shopping, and public places unless it's a concert. I am very hard on myself for my sensitivities and have felt such guilt for my distancing from toxic people cause I cannot protect myself at age 51... Being an empath I suppose my career As a Psychotherapist specializing in trauma work, EMDR and hypnosis is both natural and odd. Somehow it works.

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    Quote Posted by Jean-Marie (here)

    I am a sensitive empath but I am an ENFJ
    That's close too.
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    I am pissed that this Simgaz guy is pushing these threads off the today list, he is spamming goodbye threads n **** and driving the good threads off the page,
    is there something that the mods can do about that, maybe move those to a different area lol? I can't see some of the recent threads due to that guy's frequent postings, argh!
    It was like 6 in a row or something? Not sure if he has vented it all yet or not.

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    Tesla, on the empath thread? That's too much, LOL!

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    Tesla, on the empath thread? That's too much, LOL!
    ... probably because Tesla_WTC refuses to find pockets for her hands when something's not right... and starts typing...

    Quote Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
    [...]

    .... Empaths are ordinary people who are highly perceptive and insightful and belong to the 40% of human beings who sense when something’s not right, who respond to their gut instinct. In The Emperor’s New Clothes, the empath is the boy who mentions the unmentionable: that there are no clothes.

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    Tesla, on the empath thread? That's too much, LOL!
    LOL, that was kind funny.

    Tesla, we really do LOVE you.

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    Quote Posted by Wind (here)
    In addtion to being an empath, are you highly sensitive? I know that I am, but most of the time I wish I wasn't. I can relate to the suffering of others as it if was mine. Especially when I see animals being abused it hurts my soul, after all they are our companions. Humans are more responsible because we are free to choose... And wisely we should choose. Pros and cons of being a highly sensitive empath? Well, I can "see" and feel more, like multidimensionally. I see it all. Otherwise, it's a a burden.

    In addition, I wonder that how many of us empath's are INFJ's or INFP's? See this.
    Hmm, makes me wonder too. I do not believe I am an empath, but I do suffer terribly when I see an animal suffer. It hurts me deeply. Usually I just think of my self a a bit sensitive -- hopefully not just in a selfish way.

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    28 out of the 30. I knew I would be. Its a blessing and a curse. LOLOL

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    I have a different view point on this. I do believe that some folks have more empathic ability than others from infancy. I have met a few truely empathic people and they seem to be different from the rest of us.

    However, I believe that all humans have these abilities and that they can be developed. For some, societal and familial conditioning has repressed these qualities leading them to become observers rather than feelers. Some have learned how to turn their hearts on and off in the need for self-preservation. The one's who don't have a very difficult time in our world and many of them get used up.

    I have at least 25-28 of these qualities present in my personality right now. There is a range because some of them don't apply all of the time for me. Some I know have always been there and some I've developed or have naturally blossomed as I've walked a spiritual road. But, I also know that I've been trained to be an observer and to leave all that feeling stuff alone. The key for being able to maintain this choice of being in my life now is in learning how to shield my heart.

    That is what we should be teaching children who display these natural abilities more overtly than others. Not to turn them off but, how to shield themselves and function as an empath for the good of others.

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    Dear empaths,

    Here are a few words about your "natural" predators...
    Wow wow wow. Thanks so much for this article. Enlightening. I had an extremely parasitic sociopath destroy my life for 2 years. It only ended because I moved away. He still continues to try to this day to reel me back in 2 years later.

    The story about James made me so freaking sad because it really hit a note. I was being sexually and emotionally abused by this person for 2 years and he would go spreading heinous rumors about me to every single person who would listen. He was a good performer so everyone bought it. Ruined my reputation. When I tried to tell people that he was terrorizing me, they essentially already believed me to be crazy.

    I have blamed myself for being stupid enough to associate with him every day since then.
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    Yep...

    ... the never ending story of history repeating itself.

    There are also the influences which come from beyond the veil as investigated by Eve Lorgen in her books (The Love Bite: Alien Interference in Human Love Relationships, and: The Dark Side of Cupid: Love Affairs, The Supernatural and Energy Vampirism) and how to get out of it:

    Recovery From Narcissistic Abuse and Cultivating Mutually Respectful, Loving Relationships

    Posted on April 1, 2014

    Narcissistic abuse is an increasingly widespread issue these days, especially for those who have endured any kind of emotional abuse in their childhood family of origin. This is common for abductees, milabs, ritual abuse survivors, MK Ultra victims and those who have strong family ties to the occult and military-industrial-complex careers. As many of my readers know, narcissistic abuse is part of the phenomenon of “the dark side of Cupid” relationships, where, in addition to the basic traits of narcissism, the super manipulat[ive] partner was perceived in some way to host a paranormal type of “entity”, which I believe actually drives much of the energy vampirism behaviors well known in these kinds of horridly abusive and shocking relationships.

    Recovering from the trauma of these kinds of relationships requires a comprehensive approach, and unless one truly understands the inner dynamics of narcissism as a full-blown personality disorder, and the addictive quality of obsession that often accompanies such relationships, a survivor may not be able to heal as quickly. It can literally be a soul destroying experience.

    What I have come to understand, is that the pattern in becoming a target of these types of abusers, is also rooted in ones own conditioning, core shame issues and deep seated feelings of unworthiness that can occur with histories of abuse. But, there are instances in which a healthy, normal kind of person such as a successful career woman, who can get targeted by these types of predators, leaving them bewildered and absolutely shocked at how awful and traumatized they could feel. One professional therapist and famous author I corresponded with told me in confidence that when she had such a “dark side of Cupid” relationship with a man like this, the trauma and emotional devastation was worse than a brutal rape she experienced many years earlier in her life.

    Narcissists and the types of partners described in much of the NARC Abuse literature, fit the profile of personality disordered people, often with psychopathic traits. One has to remember that these persons work by deception and will manipulate accordingly, without conscience or empathy in order to extract “energy” or narcissistic supply from their partner– just for the sake of them feeling alive and getting attention to feed the false sense of self. Their false sense of identity is like an outer shell personality that changes to whatever traits are necessary in order to extract energy. What is underneath is often a deeply shattered, shamed and self-loathing core, that is buried. It feels like nothing is there literally, like a black hole whose only goal is to suck you dry. What I believe happens in many of these narcissists lives, is that once they abandon their true core self, they are ripe for a type of demonic or complete archontic mind parasite takeover. This is when the more lethal types of psychopaths start emerging. I believe it is many of these types of narcissists who run some of the most powerful, global military-industrial-complex and banking corporations.

    Unless you have had a personal relationship with such a non-human-pretending-to-be human person, you really cannot understand the needed strategies for healing, recovery and freedom from their damage. Personally and collectively.

    Without being overly sided with “victimology” ideology, I do believe that both perpetrator and victims work together, even if it is unconscious on the victim’s part. The paradoxical thing about perpetrators, victims and narcissistic abuse is the tendency towards the trauma-bonding “Stockholme Syndrome” that takes hold of the victim who has had longstanding abuse and conditioning by such perpetrators in their lives. We see this a lot in cult abuse and even within the alien abduction and contact experiences.

    Step this up a few notches to what we now globally seem to “normalize” with our lives in this Matrix of global control. I think most of the worlds population is in a mesmer of Stockholm Syndrome, having been exhaustively distracted, overworked or numbed out to such an extent that they no longer believe they have the power to change their lives, in the face of the global “powers that be” who are essentially running the show.

    I believe one way to create a solution for this is to do it one individual and relationship at a time. We must have the self-respect to heal, get into “recovery” and say NO to the narcissists who entitle themselves to our energy and our attention. But the healing and recovery process is specifically tailored to those who are recovering from narcissistic abuse, not just simple “co-dependecy issues” or other more benign issues people may want to heal from.

    These articles are an excellent starter for anyone who is still on the path of healing from narcissistic abuse. They are written by Melanie Tonia Evans and her main web site is:

    http://www.melanietoniaevans.com/index.htm

    Is He or She Really A Narcissist? Laying Boundaries and Accountability

    Excerpt: “In this article I am going to show you how you can use the most powerful tool in your arsenal – boundaries to find out if this person is capable of taking responsibility and being accountable for their actions without risking another experience that could cost you your soul, mental well-being and even life.

    There is nothing worse than being set upon maliciously by someone you believed you could trust, someone you love, and someone you thought loved you and had your best interests at heart.”

    http://blog.melanietoniaevans.com/is...ccountability/

    First must realize: There is No Closure with Narcissists
    Excerpt: “When we end a relationship with a narcissist – it can be a terrible and painful experience to realise there is no closure.

    There is no “I’m sorry, I treated you terribly”, there is the absence of “I realise that if I had done things differently we could have worked”, or “The way I treated you was disgraceful”. Often, horrifically, there is no explanation for the cruel ability to abuse and manipulate you, and then discard, abandon and move on as if you never existed.

    Most narcissistic abuse sufferers struggle terribly with this – and experience the anguished feelings of “What did I REALLY mean to him or her?”

    These feelings of non-closure can create a powerful hook, whereby you feel like…

    http://blog.melanietoniaevans.com/th...h-narcissists/

    Leaving The Narcissist With Your Emotions Intact
    Excerpt: “It’s important that you know what to do in order to empower yourself before leaving a narcissist, in order to assist the process of disconnecting.

    Much of this preparation needs to occur emotionally.

    The emotional state you are in when you leave a narcissist is a great indicator of how well you can recover, and how long your recovery will take.

    ‘Aftershock’ is a very real phenomenon after leaving a narcissist. When you are stuck in the fight with the narcissist you are in survival mode, and somehow that keeps you alive.

    When you leave the narcissist you will experience grave Post and/or Complicated Stress Disorder Symptoms. Not unlike a holocaust survivor, the entire trauma has a chance to hit when you have got away.”

    http://blog.melanietoniaevans.com/ho...otions-intact/

    Trauma Bonding: Is it Love or Something Else?
    Excerpt: “With all of the survival fears, powerlessness and anxieties taking place, a great deal of neuro-peptides, resulting from your disturbed, fearful and unstable thoughts, are manufactured in your hypothalamus (chemical manufacturing plant of our brain) and are distributed into your blood stream and received by the cells of your body.

    Our cells get addicted to the peptides they receive powerful doses of, and then physiologically we get addicted to getting more of these peptides, which the narcissist triggers within us regularly.

    This creates feelings of I need his attention, I need his validation, I need his approval, I need his support, I need his love, I need him to provide me with some RELIEF and eventually just like a drug addict licking the crumbs off the lounge room rug, we will try to get any amount of the narcissist’s energy regardless of how damaging and soul destroying it is.”

    http://blog.melanietoniaevans.com/tr...omething-else/

    Relationships of Equality
    Excerpt: “Why didn’t people really teach us the meaning of ‘The truth sets us free?’ This means that speaking the truth about how we emotionally feel grants us the freedom of true self-love, love from others and happiness.

    I’m thoroughly convinced defensive communication destroys relationships. If you’re real (vulnerable), you’re truly empowered and truly safe. No one can disempower you, manipulate you or compromise your boundaries. You’re responding from a place of self-honour rather than reacting from a victim viewpoint. Victims take hostages. They create drama and fights – and they absolutely create their own ongoing pain.”

    And:

    Men and women all want the same thing! We all want to stop the separation, stop the ‘enemy tactics’ and connect in honest and safe ways. Emotional integrity and realness is the greatest gift that we can bring to our love relationships. None of us can be loving and loved in relationships without this vital foundation.Reflections on Equal Partnership
    • Whatever vulnerability (feelings) you hide will keep creating the scenarios you fear.
    • Expressing your authentic feelings will give you authentic results.
    • Your expressed feelings equate to standing in your power.
    • If you are real – no one can take you down.
    • The truth will always set you free.
    • Get out of your head battles and speak the truth from your heart.
    Taken From: http://www.melanietoniaevans.com/art...f-equality.htm

    EL – Lastly, how do we develop these mutually respectful relationships, where we are able to authentically express our emotions and live from the heart of truth? This is where compassionate communication, inner empathy and the dedication to personal healing and growth come in. If we want to have these relationships we must cultivate them MUTUALLY.

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    Default Re: 30 Traits Of An Empath - How To know If You're An Empath

    One characteristic missing from the list is the amount of stress/pressure that can be generated when two or more of these characteristics are in conflict. As Sunflower mentioned, 16/17 and 21 can be at war: I hate clutter, but loathe cleaning (its also boring). I feel conflict in 28 because I can not afford new things AND I find comfort and support from things previously owned by lovely people. I feel conflict in 29 because I feel the energy of the animals and the plants, so to me there is no difference between eating a vegetable or an animal. Thanking them both for sustaining me seems to help that.

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