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    Air Force Admits Weather Control via HAARP and New Tech

    Friday 16th May 2014 at 07:13 By David Icke





    ‘While HAARP and weather control has been called a conspiracy theory by the
    mainstream media and government officials, during a Senate hearing on Wednesday,
    David Walker, deputy assistant secretary of the Air Force for science, technology and
    engineering, dropped a bombshell in answer to a question asked by Lisa Murkowski in
    relation to the dismantling of the $300 million High Frequency Active Auroral Research
    Program in Gakona this summer.

    Walker said this is “not an area that we have any need for in the future” and it would
    not be a good use of Air Force research funds to keep HAARP going. “We’re moving on
    to other ways of managing the ionosphere, which the HAARP was really designed to do,”
    he said. “To inject energy into the ionosphere to be able to actually control it. But that
    work has been completed.”

    Many believe HAARP was created and has been used for weather control, with enough
    juice to trigger hurricanes, tornadoes and earthquakes and comments such as this bring
    about the question of whether conspiracy theorists are more on target than anyone has
    admitted to date.’

    This is not the first time a public official has acknowledged that HAARP and weather
    control is not only possible, but has been and continues to be, used as a “super
    weapon,” as evidenced by a statement in 1997 by former U.S. Defense Secretary
    William Cohen, where he said “Others [terrorists] are engaging even in an eco-type of
    terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely
    through the use of electromagnetic waves… So there are plenty of ingenious minds out
    there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations…
    It’s real, and that’s the reason why we have to intensify our [counterterrorism] efforts.”

    Is it still just a conspiracy theory if public officials admit it is true?

    Watch the question and answer session below:






    Published on 14 May 2014


    Senator Murkowski asks questions about the impending dismantling of the HAARP
    facility in Alaska. Basically the defense related research has been done, and nobody
    wants to pay the $5 Million a year to keep it running for academic research.



    http://www.zengardner.com/air-force-...aarp-new-tech/

    http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/
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    Default Re: Air Force Admits Weather Control via HAARP and are moving on to New Tech to managr Ionosphere....

    Other than the gentleman who actually said this was to manage the ionosphere, everyone else was trying so hard NOT to just simply say what the program was for. I just can't shake the feeling that none of these people would act like that (and for this long) if this was such a beneficial scientific program. Like the atmospheric scientist who was practically gushing about what a "world class facility" it was. If it's so world class and we gained so much value from it, why not just openly say that to the public? You don't lie about programs that are in the peoples' interest. You lie about programs that aren't. They admitted even the people of Alaska didn't know what it was!

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    It was developed, installed, used and cancelled without most people knowing it existed. They have already have something better! Chemtrailing still very active, even as I speak

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    Quote Posted by yelik (here)
    It was developed, installed, used and cancelled without most people knowing it existed. They have already have something better! Chemtrailing still very active, even as I speak
    A great point. I notice no decline in spraying here in Ky either. But is it admitted that spraying is part of HAARP?

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    NeoCon leaders in the "weatherization control" programs and counterterrorism? Isn't that like putting the bank robbers, in charge of the FED? LOL

    Boy, they can call people cracked pots all they want, but it seems their pot was cracked and we are the cracked pot hunters of truth in "our PEOPLE's Military/Government. They don't pay taxes, are leeches of patents and research dollars, and they don't disclose, what we've paid for? Really?

    Boy the rude awakening was jail or admit we have it? Remember the 200 Generals fired? Perhaps the "cracked pot conspiracy theory" label, came from them, yes?
    So it stands to reason, several of the Generals had control over what technologies had been developed by our military, and now a whole lot of stuff will come forward, eh?

    Be prepared, and don't be shocked is my motto. I'm really glad the people who told the truth like Dutchsince, Kerry, Bill, and Alfred, have forced their hand. There is lots of other stuff, that Snowden has told, so, yes, lots coming.

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    Quote Quote Posted by yelik (here)
    It was developed, installed, used and cancelled without most people knowing it existed. They have already have something better! Chemtrailing still very active, even as I speak

    A great point. I notice no decline in spraying here in Ky either. But is it admitted that spraying is part of HAARP? Matt



    funny you should say that I saw this article and was wondering
    where to post it ...lol




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    Which leads to another article, I'l have to find somewhere to post....

    'Whether the weather is a scam ?'




    Study suggesting global warming is exaggerated was rejected for publication in
    respected journal because it was ‘less than helpful’ to the climate cause, claims
    professor

    Friday 16th May 2014 at 06:56 By David Icke








    ‘A scientific study which suggests global warming has been exaggerated was
    rejected by a respected journal because it might fuel climate scepticism, it was
    claimed last night.

    The alarming intervention, which raises fears of ‘McCarthyist’ pressure for
    environmental scientists to conform, came after a reviewer said the research
    was ‘less than helpful’ to the climate cause.

    Professor Lennart Bengtsson, a research fellow at the University of Reading and one
    of five authors of the study, said he suspected that intolerance of dissenting views
    on climate science was preventing his paper from being published.’

    Read more: Study suggesting global warming is exaggerated was rejected for
    publication in respected journal because it was 'less than helpful' to the climate
    cause, claims professor

    http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...professor.html
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Why Global Warming Failed

    Wednesday 14th May 2014 at 05:12 By David Icke



    Published on 12 May 2014


    CLIMATE CHANGE IS VERY REAL - BUT THE OFFICIALS HAVE JEOPARDIZED OUR ABILITY TO PREPARE FOR THE FUTURE
    Global warming models/predictions have been an abject failure for 20 years, and yet the IPCC claims ever-higher certainty?

    How does this happen and what comes next?

    All papers and charts are publicly available information, or you send us an email
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    Default Re: Air Force Admits Weather Control via HAARP and are moving on to New Tech to managr Ionosphere....

    Dr Walker clearly said that HAARP was a facility for controling/managing the ionosphere.

    That's the ionosphere, NOT the troposphere where the weather is generated. The ionosphere is 50 to 200 miles above the earth. Why study it? Try Google for that - but it mostly relates to communications.

    If the facility gets dismantled, this will be visible (presumably you can drive to the site to see the antennas coming down) and we'll know HAARP has gone.

    So... we'll have to find other facilities to blame for all the things HAARP was said to have done. That should be easy enough, since the multi-megawatts of energy needed to change the weather will be detectable by ELF/VLF/LF/MF/HF/VHF equipment installed by serious hobbyists all over the world.

    Trouble is, none of these earth-science radio/weather/ionosphere/magnetosphere amateur observers ever detected anything significant coming from HAARP (other than the transmissions at times and frequencies HAARP schedule) or any other of the similar facilites said to scatter the world. Which is really odd since if they are contolling the weather and/or causing earthquakes you'd really expect the massive amounts of emitted energy to be clearly detected by all this sensitive equipment. This basic fact has not been acknowledged (as far as I know) by anyone who believes HAARP is a weapon.

    Remember, the guys with this network of monitoring equipment are not paid by governments, they are just serious hobbyists located all over the world, communicating via the internet (with mostly open forums and websites) who look for all kinds of anomolies, and HAARP would be easy to detect. So why haven't its emissions been detected and discussed by thse guys?

    Nick

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    Default Re: Air Force Admits Weather Control via HAARP and are moving on to New Tech to managr Ionosphere....

    Next weapon of the military sector to be sold? Why don't they just say it in layman's terms: WEATHER MANIPULATION. How many Katrina's, were engineered around the world without people even knowing in OUR names, under OUR flag. If a target was put on our backs, we'd never know it. I think their next step is to classify it so "no one" ask any more questions and then sneak out the patent to some dictator. If the weather is turned to chaos, then how will we ever be able to look to the sun, moon and stars?

    Evil entities of destruction and programs that have been hidden, MUST NOT BE CLASSIFIED FROM THE PEOPLE'S REPRESENTATIVES. All the information set before both houses for the last 70 years. WE will know the who's, when's and whys of how this was used and on whom. After all the plan for offshore drilling was made in the 9th ward of Louisiana, and they bought Mary Landreux D and Bobby Jindal puppets long ago.

    Just saying, when they want money, they care not for the people.

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    Quote Dr Walker clearly said that HAARP was a facility for controling/managing the ionosphere.

    That's the ionosphere, NOT the troposphere where the weather is generated. The ionosphere is 50 to 200 miles above the earth. Why study it? Try Google for that - but it mostly relates to communications.
    Thanks for pointing that out Nick, I still wanted to post the other two articles somewhere...LOL

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    Quote Posted by Nick Matkin (here)
    Dr Walker clearly said that HAARP was a facility for controling/managing the ionosphere.

    That's the ionosphere, NOT the troposphere where the weather is generated. The ionosphere is 50 to 200 miles above the earth. Why study it? Try Google for that - but it mostly relates to communications.

    If the facility gets dismantled, this will be visible (presumably you can drive to the site to see the antennas coming down) and we'll know HAARP has gone.

    So... we'll have to find other facilities to blame for all the things HAARP was said to have done. That should be easy enough, since the multi-megawatts of energy needed to change the weather will be detectable by ELF/VLF/LF/MF/HF/VHF equipment installed by serious hobbyists all over the world.

    Trouble is, none of these earth-science radio/weather/ionosphere/magnetosphere amateur observers ever detected anything significant coming from HAARP (other than the transmissions at times and frequencies HAARP schedule) or any other of the similar facilites said to scatter the world. Which is really odd since if they are contolling the weather and/or causing earthquakes you'd really expect the massive amounts of emitted energy to be clearly detected by all this sensitive equipment. This basic fact has not been acknowledged (as far as I know) by anyone who believes HAARP is a weapon.

    Remember, the guys with this network of monitoring equipment are not paid by governments, they are just serious hobbyists located all over the world, communicating via the internet (with mostly open forums and websites) who look for all kinds of anomolies, and HAARP would be easy to detect. So why haven't its emissions been detected and discussed by thse guys?

    Nick
    Would like to see your sources since you're a self styled debunker,
    and would also like to know why people do damage control for free when the gov't has its own trolls.




    How about telling us what HAARP CAN do?

    Or wait, we already have books about it, gee -- like "Angels Don't Play This HAARP" and "HAARP: the weapon of the conspiracy" etc...

    It's a bit late (4 decades) to say nothing illegal or immoral happened w/ HAARP and its applications




    p.s. did you guys know Onawah started a thread on this yesterday?
    still on page 1.

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    Default Re: Air Force Admits Weather Control via HAARP and are moving on to New Tech to managr Ionosphere....

    I've pointed out what HAARP is about in numerous threads, and pointed out the RUSSIAN and OTHER system that are active.. When folks keep going back to HAARP they miss the boat.

    I feel this redigging into the wrong targets is detracting from who is doing actual modification..

    Seeing such from other Forums reposted only picks more on the scab.

    Here is where I pointed out what is up, what is not up:
    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post805188

    Please read the above and connect some dots.

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    I happened to come across this, which seems to have shut down my account and erase my youtube history when I went to email it to my work (which still hasn't recieved it yet, it's been hours, guess it's spam--even though my music videos went through--odd):


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    Because of the internet we are slowly catching up with what the elites are up to. In reality they are probably way ahead of what we can currently imagine. Unfortunately we have to rely on whistle blowers to leak the truth together with contending with a mix of mistruths, fantasy and fiction before we can hazard a guess.

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    Quote I've pointed out what HAARP is about in numerous threads, and pointed out the RUSSIAN and OTHER system that are active.. When folks keep going back to HAARP they miss the boat.
    Haarp is old now ,the interesting question is what is the new tech..

    David Walker said this is “not an area that we have any need for in the future” and
    it would not be a good use of Air Force research funds to keep HAARP going. “We’re
    moving on to other ways of managing the ionosphere, which the HAARP was really
    designed to do,” he said. “To inject energy into the ionosphere to be able to
    actually control it. But that work has been completed.”

    I put up a couple of threads about Haarp a while back and I just looked in the
    archive and theres loads of different posts and threads so no doubt this has
    been gone over many times......I posted Angels Don't Play This HAARP,
    which was made in the 1990's


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    This is a follow up documentary from 2006, and explains why it was set up.




    Uploaded on 30 Jul 2011


    Based on the best selling book Angels Don't Play This HAARP, narrator Dr. Nick
    Begich presents a compelling discussion of one of the important military advances
    of the United States government.

    The technology is designed to manipulate the environment in a number of ways
    that can jam all global communications, disrupt weather systems, interfere with
    migration patterns, disrupt human mental processes, negatively affect your health
    and disrupt the upper atmosphere.

    The U.S. military calls this new zapper the High-frequency Active Auroral Research
    Program or HAARP. The rest of the story is revealed in the patents, technical papers
    and other documents that continue to emerge regarding this project. Begich has
    presented on the subject as an expert witness for the European Parliament,
    Committee on Foreign Affairs, Security and Defense Policy Subcommittee on
    Security and Disarmament, GLOBE and others.

    In a useful and important book, Manning and Begich have attacked many problems
    and told many stories. Best of all they have told how they and a gallant lot of
    nongovernment people in Alaska have fought battles to expose the HAARP project,
    which is the latest modernization of the Pentagon's electromagnetic warfare
    preparations, under test in the Alaskans' own backyard.

    HAARP has been a mysterious project, whose true nature has been hidden, they
    say, by lies and disinformation. It has posed as university ionospheric research,
    which it only partly is, so as to conceal its military character. The great service that
    Manning and Begich have done is to uncover just enough technical and
    organizational information to leave no doubt about the centrality of HAARP to the
    Pentagon's aims of perfecting electromagnetic warfare.

    HAARP stands for High-frequency Active Auroral Research Program. It follows upon
    a long line of ionospheric research, some of it military, in which bursts of
    radiofrequency radiation have been beamed up into the ionosphere in order to
    study the effects so produced. Installations that send high intensity electromagnetic
    waves into the ionosphere have been called ionospheric heaters. Some have been
    in Greenland, the Pacific, Japan, Norway, and Russia.

    What is new about HAARP and should give grounds for concern is the much greater
    power level contemplated and the hugely greater power flux aimed at in the
    projected transmission. Scientists often study a system by perturbing it, observing
    the processes that take place during the recovery to the original state of the
    system. HAARP, however, promises to perturb the system so drastically that it may
    never recover to its original state, even assuming that it is stable enough that it
    returns to its former state under less drastic bombardment. Furthermore, the very
    scientists planning the research do not know what the results may be. If Manning
    and Begich are to be believed, the nuclear explosions carried out by the Soviet
    Union and the United States outside the Earth's atmosphere, prior to the 1963
    Limited Test Ban Treaty forbidding such detonations, did in fact damage the
    ionosphere in the long term. For example, there is now radioactivity in outer space
    that wasn't there prior to the nuclear explosions, so that in this one sense at least,
    the ionosphere certainly isn't the same as it was. HAARP threatens to blast the
    ionosphere again, but possibly in a new and very frightening way.
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    I'm watching these now to update myself on Dr.Nick Begich views....


    Nick Begich : Technology to Control the Weather



    Dr Nick Begich at the Breakthrough Energy Movement conference, 2012 Holland

    Dr. Nick Begich, will discuss his research on HAARP and its implications for
    controlling the weather, effecting the geophysics of the planet and populations,
    as well as how we can develop a strong influence for personal and global change
    through technology and our own internal power.

    Bio
    Dr. Nick Begich is the eldest son of the late United States Congressman from Alaska,
    Nick Begich Sr., and political activist Pegge Begich. He is well known in Alaska for his
    own political activities. He was twice elected President of both the Alaska Federation
    of Teachers and the Anchorage Council of Education. He has been pursuing independent
    research in the sciences and politics for most of his adult life. Begich received Doctor of
    Medicine (Medicina Alternitiva), honoris causa, for independent work in health and
    political science, from The Open International University for Complementary Medicines,
    Colombo, Sri Lanka, in November 1994.

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    Nick Begich: Social Engineering & The Surveillance State Among Us




    Published on 16 Jan 2014


    Alex talks with human consciousness expert Dr. Nick Begich
    about social engineering, which is what politicians like Obama
    are using to manufacture consent from the American people
    for their brazen power grabs.
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    Quote Posted by yelik (here)
    Because of the internet we are slowly catching up with what the elites are up to. In reality they are probably way ahead of what we can currently imagine. Unfortunately we have to rely on whistle blowers to leak the truth together with contending with a mix of mistruths, fantasy and fiction before we can hazard a guess.
    This, this, this!!! This is why it is so difficult for us non-elite to keep up. I mean for pete's sake they had the internet in the late 50s/early 60s and we didn't even know about it, much less have access, until the 90s. They have so much technology that is kept for many decades in secret. What we DO know is most likely just the tip of the iceberg. Unfortunately, whistle blowing does not usually occur until some time has passed. No telling what else they have, especially if they are dismantling HAARP. It is likely only because they have something far more advanced...
    "The only wisdom is in knowing that you know nothing." -Socrates

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    Would like to see your sources since you're a self styled debunker,
    and would also like to know why people do damage control for free when the gov't has its own trolls.
    Well, I happen to have spent the last 32 years working for an international HF radio broadcaster as an enginner - I know a thing or two about the behaviour of the ionosphere under the influence of RF energy. I can also tell you that radiowaves do not interact with the troposphere, except in frequencies above about 40 MHz where the troposhere (with an atmospheric temperature invertion) can bend them to travel great distances. But that's all. This is well documented if you care to look.

    HAARP was designed to be an ionospheric heater and to try and explore its effects on radio signals, particularly those from satellites, for communications, spying, whatever. The ionosphere can screw up radio signals as they pass through - it would be good to know how this can be minimised.

    The ionosphere can be heated when bomparded with radio waves. This happened over Europe nightly on HF radio broadcasts and the jamming of them during the cold war. Tens if not hundreds of megawatts were wasted on this - I was there. Nothing happened to the ionosphere - even though it happened for at least 20 years. HAARP antennas radiate between 4 and 12 MHz, you can see that from the dimentions. To influence the ionosphere.

    I've read "Angels don't play this HAARP". So...?

    Like I said, if HAARP has/had no much energy, how come it didn't saturate our* 24/7 monitoring equipment each time it was switched on? Ask any qualified atmospheric physisists, meteorologits, HF comms engineers what HAARP can do. Some big names writing books and making videos are interesting maybe, but doesn't make them right.

    Not sure how explaing some facts about where the ionosphere is, why it's nowhere near the troposphere and what high power radio signals do to both is debunking. Are we not willing to at least listen to alternaive views from those who have some background in relevant areas?

    Nick

    * By 'our' I mean the equipment of serious, well-equipped amateur observers, not government organisations!
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    Quote Posted by Cidersomerset (here)

    Quote Bob's quote:

    I've pointed out what HAARP is about in numerous threads, and pointed out the RUSSIAN and OTHER system that are active.. When folks keep going back to HAARP they miss the boat.
    Haarp is old now , the interesting question is what is the new tech..[..]
    Rehashing old data on old HAARP continues to ignore the RUSSIAN and NORWAY facilities which were NOT shut down

    Who knows what is being modulated onto those transmitters, eh Steve?

    It would be fascinating to hear reports of IONOSPHERIC heaters by the Russians.. Since they started back in 81 with that one, long before the US's even thought about trying to make a small scale HAARP (High-frequency Active Auroral Research Program).

    I suppose those words are misnomer? Auroras are supposed to be up there Ionosphere, way above the troposphere (where weather would be).

    I guess the point is, to be correct, creating electrical ULF fields in the ionosphere, way up there above the places where weather can exist (down in the troposphere) would do what? Potentially cause earthquakes worldwide and be undirectable.. The key word is un-directable.. Meaning tweaking the ionosphere with two currents of appropriate frequencies can create a third component a low frequency component, which is on the same resonant frequency of earth quake moments.

    Thing is again, it's not directable, meaning one's back yard where the transmitter is could be whacked. Everywhere could be whacked. Do you think that the powers that be, in this case, those in Russia and those in Norway are interested in destroying themselves as part of some sinister dooms-day ransom scenario? I wouldn't put it past Putin to try something like that. Wouldn't you think the same?
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    Nick I agree with you completely. Very well done, bravo !


    Quote Posted by Nick Matkin (here)
    Quote Posted by Tesla_WTC_Solution (here)
    Would like to see your sources since you're a self styled debunker,
    and would also like to know why people do damage control for free when the gov't has its own trolls.
    Well, I happen to have spent the last 32 years working for an international HF radio broadcaster as an enginner - I know a thing or two about the behaviour of the ionosphere under the influence of RF energy. I can also tell you that radiowaves do not interact with the troposphere, except in frequencies above about 40 MHz where the troposhere (with an atmospheric temperature invertion) can bend them to travel great distances. But that's all. This is well documented if you care to look.

    HAARP was designed to be an ionospheric heater and to try and explore its effects on radio signals, particularly those from satellites, for communications, spying, whatever. The ionosphere can screw up radio signals as they pass through - it would be good to know how this can be minimised.

    The ionosphere can be heated when bomparded with radio waves. This happened over Europe nightly on HF radio broadcasts and the jamming of them during the cold war. Tens if not hundreds of megawatts were wasted on this - I was there. Nothing happened to the ionosphere - even though it happened for at least 20 years. HAARP antennas radiate between 4 and 12 MHz, you can see that from the dimentions. To influence the ionosphere.

    I've read "Angels don't play this HAARP". So...?

    Like I said, if HAARP has/had no much energy, how come it didn't saturate our* 24/7 monitoring equipment each time it was switched on? Ask any qualified atmospheric physisists, meteorologits, HF comms engineers what HAARP can do. Some big names writing books and making videos are interesting maybe, but doesn't make them right.

    Not sure how explaing some facts about where the ionosphere is, why it's nowhere near the troposphere and what high power radio signals do to both is debunking. Are we not willing to at least listen to alternaive views from those who have some background in relevant areas?

    Nick

    * By 'our' I mean the equipment of serious, well-equipped amateur observers, not government organisations!
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