Two Fat Fingers to the EU establishment: Farage, Le Pen

[GuyFox]

Two Fat Fingers to the EU establishment: Farage, Le Pen

MessMadames, it is a political earthquake !
The voters have stood up to say they do not want their culture destroyed

"The people have spoken loud and clear," a triumphant Marine Le Pen told cheering supporters at National Front (FN) party headquarters in Paris.
"They no longer want to be led by those outside our borders, by EU commissioners and technocrats who are unelected.
They want to be protected from globalisation and take back the reins of their destiny."
> source

UK Result : the "upstart" 4th Party wins the Most Votes !
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UKIP--- : 28. %
Labour- : 25.7%
Tories-- : 24.5% (PM David Cameron is in this party)
Greens- : Beat the LibDems
LibDem : 07. % (Deputy PM Nick Clegg is now in trouble)

Meantime, in France:
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National Front (Le Pen) : 25%
UMP/Centre Right ------- : 21%
Socialists (Hollande) ---- : 14% (lowest ever EP score)
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Just IMAGINE a better Future !
Might it look like this: ?

+ Prime Minister of the UK: Nigel Farage
+ President of France : Marine Le Pen

Elections going ahead in the US in late 2016, with:
+ A Third Party Candidate running First in the US Polls
+ Democrats and Republicans far behind, and in a panic about their future
+ Certain old financial criminals, and maybe some well-known politicians
In Prison or indicted for crimes (pick your own names)

Can we Dream of this?
Listen to what Mde. Le Pen says of Nigel Farage:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=83NsHR5-0-Y

Marine Le Pen knows how to put her point across,
and how to deal with rude journos:
"I am defending my country's identity.
I have the right to do so!"

[araucaria]

Posted by GuyFox (here)

Just IMAGINE a better Future !
Might it look like this: ?

...
+ President of France : Marine Le Pen

I don’t think so. Careful what you wish for. Le Pen’s National Front is the far right for God’s sake, where France’s neo-fascists hang out. They preach xenophobia and all the rest of it, they are just as corrupt as all the others they denounce, and on top of that they are incompetent, can’t even run a small town. Le Pen’s father is about as unsavoury a character as you can wish to vote against. He was involved in torture during the French colonial war in Algeria and recently voted in the European Parliament against the eradication of torture. This is a guy notorious for his parliamentary absenteeism, but he turned up for this all right.
http://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-actu/20...p?pagination=2

For a 50+-year-old victim’s-eye view of torture with electricity and waterboarding, read La Question, by Algerian journalist Henri Alleg.

The conventional view about the National Front contains a lot of common sense: they ask the right questions, but they come up with the wrong answers. Back in the late seventies, the same questions pointing the finger at the banksters were being raised by the Communist party. They were on the point of winning elections with the socialists and governing France when Brejznev’s Moscow pulled the plug on that idea. Maybe it would have worked then when internationalism was a possible way out. It is definitely not going to work from people for whom any such thing is anathema.

[GuyFox]

" Careful what you wish for. Le Pen’s National Front is the far right for God’s sake..."

Okay.
You say that. And you may be right.
But I am also VERY AWARE that anyone with a Politically Incorrect viewpoint will get smeared and dismissed by the mainstream.

Going on what I HAVE HEARD her say, I did not find it objectionable - and I happen to agree with what she says ABOVE (in the video) about the need to protect her culture, which is now under threat. (It is possible that if I listened to more of her comments, I would come to agree with you. And if you want to post a VIDEO with her own words, showing her saying something objectionable, I will watch it.)

I know Nigel Farage's views better. He is certainly often politically incorrect. But I agree with most of want he says - but not all. I find the man to be a breath of fresh air in a political establishment that seems hellbent in taking Europe and the UK into a Globalist future. I am very happy to see voters now saying: "Stop the Train! I want to get off!"

" Le Pen’s father is about as unsavoury a character as you can wish to vote against."

Marine Le Pen is NOT her father. She has done much to modernize the FN party, and get rid of many dangerous old-fashioned elements, that were unsavory and unelectable. Shouldn't she be allowed to run as herself, and not as her father?
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Why so electrifying ? Le Pen and Farage ?

Maybe because they have some sense of their potential place in History (like Putin does)

They can save their countries from the toxic effects of Globalisation, (and Immigration)

which is destroying both the economy and the culture of their countries

Le Pen talks about : "The Refound Love of our Homeland"

[Ecnal61]

some interesting comments so far,and i was thinking that the results of the european elections must be a serious thorn in the side of the globalist elite who have been trying to engineer a one world order, when all over europe the results show that countries just want to govern themselves.i wonder how the elite plan to get there plan back on track?...false flag anyone!!

[yelik]

Mr Farage is striking a cord with folks at the moment and is saying all the right things, however when these people get into power it's surprising how they change once the permanent civil servants (UK) explain to them what they can and cannot do.

Whilst this is a bit of wake up call to the main parties I suspect will they will up their rhetoric and promises to appease the masses so that one of the two main parties stays in power. In reality there's little difference these days between most of the political parties, in other words no democracy.

I think if countries remain independent then it is more difficult for the the elites to usher in the NWO. As more and more people become aware of the extent of the lies and deceit of our governments this will hopefully encourage a new type of leader to show themselves. One that is pure and incorruptible and truly represents the best interest of all peoples no matter what, this is a prerequisite for any new leader, but unrealistic at the moment.

I joined UKIP and used it as an opportunity to outline some of my concerns. Because direct questions and the truth is toxic to most politicians I tried to ask questions in a way they could and would answer, you can then get round to the real concerns, at which point they run, but you made your point. At the moment he's a bit of a one trick pony. The labour party also approached me a couple of times during their research, again they failed to respond to the real concerns. The problem is the media sets the same old agenda, typically, economy, jobs, healthcare, education and taxation. Now immigration and EU membership will be on this list. Anyone that tries to take up issue about anything not on this agenda is just ignored, because the main priority is to campaign around the pre-set agenda, the press decides who the winner is.

The elites do not really care who is in power as long as they do as they're told. They control the press and the the money and hence future of any leader. The masses are very fickle and have short memories.

Raising awareness of the realities is, in my opinion, the number one priority. Only an alert, well informed and knowledgable electorate can compel our politicians and leaders to make positive change.

[GuyFox]

There was a discussion about the importance of this "coming election" about 2 weeks ago:

WorldView#1: Can Boris Johnson be President? etc.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=eAbgIaWJpEg

One interesting comment was that there might be a "skeleton in Nigel Farage's closet", but neither knew what it was.

If true, it may be dragged out by the Globalist media before the General Election, or they might use it to blackmail him.

[araucaria]

The French elections are bad news for the ruling elite, but not because of Marine Le Pen. Given that the governing parties won 35% of the vote, that means two third of the votes went to parties dissatisfied with both, and only a quarter went to the National Front. And given the high abstention rate, that 35% positive vote is only worth about 20%.

Regarding Marine Le Pen, I am not bringing down the sins of the father on the daughter. When other family members have distanced themselves from him in the ten-foot pole style, having nothing to do with him, she has been a longstanding member of his party and taken over its leadership, along with the attendant window-dressing that you would expect when a female lawyer takes over from an aging paratrooper. The party is essentially the same as it was: if you are a French neo-fascist, they still get your vote and your activism.

If you take the party’s major plank, immigration, it is for the most part fear-based fearmongering that scores highest in places like Alsace where Arabs and other immigrants are few and far between. As an immigrant of long-standing myself, I object to being seen as of the acceptable (white northern) variety and I object to the unacceptable variety of second- or third-generation immigrants, many of them born here, being harassed by police on the sole basis of their dark, southern appearance.

Sure, part of Marine’s distancing process involves distinguishing between Muslims in general and the real villains, the Islamist fundamentalists, who come “praying in our streets”, building mosques and generally making a nuisance of themselves. In other words, the very same people who were blamed for 911. The threat was not credible in the US then and it is less credible in Europe now. The whole Islamist fundamentalist thing is staged: if you are going to have an imaginary enemy, you are going to need a few flesh and blood examples for people to buy into the idea. So you see how the Europhobia and the Islamophobia are actually incompatible. If you are speaking out against big finance, i.e. chiefly Wall St and the Fed, with special reference to how the eurocrats are propping up that system, you should really see the Islamic threat as non-existent. But no: we are also under threat from Rom travelers, Polish plumbers and God knows who else. This is fear-based politics, and the proposed answer – less laxism, building more prisons, tightening our border controls and so on – will sound very familiar to our American friends.

Don’t get me wrong: we have real problems with some aspects of Europe that have been damaged, maybe irreparably. But this is the wrong way to go about solving these issues, and indeed, as I was saying, many others – the other 40% who also voted against the two main parties – are offering alternative paths. The National Front policy is not just about national government turning its back on supranational government; it also involves ordinary people turning their backs on other ordinary people, when they really need to be coming together: that is the subtext of these policies that is not getting through to some people. The fact of the matter is that most ordinary people are fully open to closer ties across Europe, and do not see this as incompatible with the assertion of regional identity and a greater degree of independence, as in Scotland or Wales, the Basque country, or earlier the separation of the Balkan states. Which is why, in 2002, when the presidential campaign came down to a straight choice between Le Pen père and Chirac, there was a landslide against Le Pen. That is not about to change.

It appears Nick Farage cannot work with Marine Le Pen, notably because he sees her as anti-Semitic. Granted, she is an improvement on her father, who has made numerous deliberately provocative and insulting remarks about the holocaust and such like. It may be (I don’t know) that she is simply anti-Zionist and Nick Farage is confusing the two. Whether he is doing so ingenuously or disingenuously (as many pro-Zionists do), it places him very much at odds with her, and not at all sharing similar views as Le Pen would have us believe.

All in all, the situation is much more complex than populist leaders would have us believe. Appealing to the emotions is a dangerous thing; whether this leads to policy decisions being applied or some less controlled form of action being taken, it is not good news.

[GuyFox]

Thanks for the post, A.
I don't live in France. You do, apparently, and so I shall bow to you greater knowledge of Le Pen - since I have no real ability, or desire, to defend HER.
What I do defend is her short "victory speech", here : http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27559714
And especially her comments (as translated into English):
"The people have spoken loud and clear,"
"They no longer want to be led by those outside our borders, by EU commissioners and technocrats who are unelected.
They want to be protected from globalisation and take back the reins of their destiny."

This harmonizes well with Nigel Farage's message - and yet, as you say: he has shunned common cause with her. Why?
Part of her message, or reputation, must be repellent to him. What is it? I think you may have identified the main reason, which agrees with what I have heard:

Posted by araucaria (here)
It appears Nick Farage cannot work with Marine Le Pen, notably because he sees her as anti-Semitic. Granted, she is an improvement on her father, who has made numerous deliberately provocative and insulting remarks about the holocaust and such like. It may be (I don’t know) that she is simply anti-Zionist and Nick Farage is confusing the two. Whether he is doing so ingenuously or disingenuously (as many pro-Zionists do), it places him very much at odds with her, and not at all sharing similar views as Le Pen would have us believe.

I would like to know more about this difference;

+ Is it because Farage wants support or funding from the Jews?,
+ or the Zionists?,
+ or both?
(It matters greatly which of these it is, IMHO)

Friends within the UK have told me how important "Jewish support" is within the UK - as it also is within the US.
I do not like to see David Cameron pandering to Israel, and it makes me suspicious that he may be acting as a tool of Zionists.

I have not yet seen that from Farage. But I cannot rule it out.

Perhaps his unidentified "skeleton" has something to do with his inability to accept Le Pen's "anti-semitic" views, or perhaps they are genuinely repellent to him.

[Soulboy]

Farage is a great supporter of the TTIP, which contradicts his whole talk against the EU and globalisation. There's much more to Farage than meets the eye. I liked some of the things he said in the EU parliament over the last decade or so, but have recently seen a few articles which made think twice about him

[aheb]

I can't understand why people would be upset about UKIP or Front Nationale being elected. All the really horrible crimes to humanity have been committed by scummy socialists or even worse communists like hollande. Look at Mao and Stalin, they all lived fantastic lives on the backs of the workers. Don't forget that Hitler was a "national Socialist" now people say that he was a fascist because he merged state and corporations. But that is exactly what happened when the big banks were bailed out.the merger of state and corpoartion and the people payed.
For years tony blair said that he was fighting uncontrolled immigration, then cameron said the same it was only farrage who told the truth that the UK have no say on it's border controlls
The reason farrage probably dissassociated himself from marie le penn is probably down to our stupid left wing press who like to scream " Racist " at everybody who disagrees with them so he is playing carefull.......but it makes no odds people realise.
I don't know that I agree with all of farrage's beliefs but I am strongly opposed to a united europe under one "unelected" government..if you want to control sheep you put them all in one pen

[GuyFox]

TPTB must be very worried about Farage

I say that because the attacks ON HIM are getting more energetic

Nigel Farage v James O'Brien: Live On LBC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pyYoL9ngtE

At one stage he says:
"We will not sit with those who have extreme views" (like FN)
We do not want to be associated with the Far Right."

In this somewhat painful interview, O'brien throws every bit of mud at NF that he has found. From what I heard (I didn't listen to all), very little of it, if any of it, stuck.

I did hear MANY cheap shots, such as this one:

"I heard you pulled out of an interview with XX, because they did not have a make-up artist"

Hey, anyone who can ask a stupid question like that is not a professional - he's a hack!

IMO, Farage took the Barage rather well !

[aheb]

James O'brien comes across as a belligerent, idiotic, intolerant thug. Which is all good news for Nigel and his supporters, because people see this. It was the same with Clegg who could barely face speaking to Nigel, because he obviously thought that he was far superior and anybody who didn't hold his views could just be dismissed.
Really in the UK UKIP is bound to do well when you look at it's opponents, toady like kenneth clarke or warpig tony bliar.

[Sabrina]

One view on Farage here:

http://aanirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2014/...el-farage.html

I suspect he might not be the jokey man of the people he pretends to be. Another false illusion of choice for the voters. And he supports fracking fgs!

[GuyFox]

Paul Craig Roberts:

"The West has overthrown itself. In the US the Constitution has been murdered by the Bush and Obama regimes. Nothing remains. As the US is the Constitution, what was once the United States no longer exists. A different entity has taken its place.

Europe died with the European Union, which requires the termination of sovereignty of all member countries. A few unaccountable bureaucrats in Brussels have become superior to the wills of the French, German, British, Italian, Dutch, Spanish, Greek, and Portuguese peoples.

Western civilization is a skeleton. It still stands, barely, but there is no life in it. The blood of liberty has departed. Western peoples look at their governments and see nothing but enemies. Why else has Washington militarized local police forces, equipping them as if they were occupying armies? Why else has Homeland Security, the Department of Agriculture, and even the Postal Service and Social Security Administration ordered billions of rounds of ammunition and even submachine guns? What is this taxpayer-paid-for arsenal for if not to suppress US citizens?

As the prominent trends forecaster Gerald Celente spells out in the current Trends Journal, “uprisings span four corners of the globe.” Throughout Europe angry, desperate and outraged peoples march against EU financial policies that are driving the peoples into the ground. Despite all of Washington’s efforts with its well funded fifth columns known as NGOs to destabilize Russia and China, both the Russian and Chinese governments have far more support from their people than do the US and Europe."

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> http://jhaines6.wordpress.com/2014/0...craig-roberts/

If you think PCR is too extreme in this opinion, then LISTEN carefully to your own voice: You may hear yourself bleating like a sheep.

At least now, some people in France and the UK have woken up enough to start voting against the Bums that need to be thrown out

[Cardillac]

@ guy fox/araucaia

all I can say to your postings is: my life's partner Jean-Claude, his brother Jean-Pierre and JP's wife Gabrielle always vote for the "Le Pen" party; all of them absolutely DEPLORE the Le Pen ideologies but all of them realize no positive change will occur in France unless a 3rd party gets in;

as if that would change anything-

the game/vote is rigged in every country in the world; why can't people see this?

Larry

[GuyFox]

That makes sense, Larry.

Possibly, as she gets closer to real power, she will moderate her views to become "more electable."
This is what Nigel Farage seems to be doing.

[GuyFox]

The Workless Class Woke Up
… by Gilad Atzmon, London - as reported on Veterans Today

"The times... they be a changing."

The undeniable surge in the support for Euro Sceptics and right wing parties in yesterday’s European Parliament election, suggests that the European working class, isn’t as apathetic as the Zionised Left wants it to be.

The nationalist, patriotic and anti-immigration parties took the lead all over Europe last night. In France, Marine Le Pen’s National Front pushed the shameless Socialist Party into third place. In Britain the situation was similar.

Nigel Farage’s UKIP has taken the lead and is now a major player in British politics.

While the British conservatives were quick to react, advocating that immigration policy be reviewed and amended, the Left and its crony media expressed shock at the rise of the “far Right” and “Nazis.” Once again it is painful, but not surprising to witness the Left’s detachment from the working class.

French PM Valls who recently used every available tool to harass hugely popular black comedian Dieudonne in order to appease the French Jewish Lobby (CRIF), announced last night that the election results represented “a political earthquake in France.’ But can a popular vote on such a vast scale be an earthquake, a surprise or a shock?

Not really, a moment of truth or epiphany is a better description of the political shift. However, the Left’s evident surprise exposes the depth of its detachment from society and is tragically symptomatic of contemporary left thinking and politics.
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>more: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/05...class-woke-up/

[aheb]

In the UK Farrage has correctly pointed out that all the three major parties follow the same agenda. What I find distinctly unpleasant is the attitude of these parties. They are the ones being undemocratic or even facsist by not allowing a vote on membership of a european state , and yet they are unapologetic. You listen to them after the vote and their argument is that they have somehow not been forceful enough in representing a politically unified europe and that we the voters have made a terrible mistake which it is up to them to correct, and by explaining to us how stupid we are they can resume their plans. How arrogant.

[GuyFox]

"how arrogant"
Exactly.
It is almost as if, behind the scenes all three are controlled by a single agenda.
If true, let's have a good look at the puppetmaster, so we can have a good debate as to whether the people want to go on following his/her dictates. Perhaps the time has come for people to regain the power that was stolen from them

[yelik]

In the UK the civil servants prevent the politicians from doing anything that might go against long established traditions.