ET - Good or Bad?

[TraineeHuman]

To me it seems clear that the notion of “harvesting of souls” is a somewhat misleading term.

Anybody, including myself, who consciously visits the sixth (or higher) dimension certainly knows that the sixth dimension (like all higher dimensions beyond it) is a formless world. That means there is no such thing as form to be found anywhere there. “Form” includes anything that’s structure, any kind of body, any merkaba or crystal or stargate or whatever. You may ask: “If I don’t have a body there, how is it that I still exist?” Answer: in any sense in which you are an “I” rather than an “it”, or a dynamic, free, pure, blissful “subject” as distinct from a passive “object”. In the sixth dimension, therefore, any form of harvesting is impossible.

I realize that when we die we initially all are in the fourth dimension. Yes, there are all kinds of corruption and trickery there, though not nearly as great as in the third dimension. Why not as great? Because in the fourth dimension you instantly travel to whoever or whatever you think of, so you get fuller and quicker answers to all your questions. You can demand of any being that they show you their true identity and motives, and they have no choice but to do so.

It’s certainly possible for us to get trapped in the fourth dimension, but only if we haven’t learnt how to regularly visit the sixth dimension through meditation. And if we haven’t learnt to be very good meditators, that means that we’ve chosen to spend time experiencing the many traps of the third and fourth dimensions – whether we consciously remember that choice or not. As the Buddha said, the entire physical world is one big trap. So from my point of view, any “harvesting of souls” is just another fourth-dimensional trap and everything in the fourth dimension is a trap. If you’re “harvested”, I don’t see that as something necessarily as sinister as what many imply. Here in the three-dimensional world, don’t we all get “harvested” by employers, by teachers, by parents and siblings and peers, by taxes, by health problems, by entertainment, by the internet, and so on? It's illusion within illusion, folks. We were meant to find a way to enjoy the ride. Seriously. (We are all eternal beings who've been playing with how "far out" we can go.)

[noxon medem]

Posted by Arpheus (here)
You gals are cracking me up today hah,what would i do with myself without silly things to read heh!

- if you like silly things to read, an maybe that includes a silly comicbook, here is one to look into

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benito_Jacovitti

- excellent, crazy humour,
maybe not ET, but strange enough ..
http://muuta.net/CoccoBill/Bibliography.html

some laughter is healthy, yes ?

Sorry for diverting from topic, OP.

nm

[Victoria Tintagel]

Traineehuman: As the Buddha said, the entire physical world is one big trap. So from my point of view, any “harvesting of souls” is just another fourth-dimensional trap and everything in the fourth dimension is a trap. If you’re “harvested”, I don’t see that as something necessarily as sinister as what many imply. Here in the three-dimensional world, don’t we all get “harvested” by employers, by teachers, by parents and siblings and peers, by taxes, by health problems, by entertainment, by the internet, and so on? It's illusion within illusion, folks. We were meant to find a way to enjoy the ride. Seriously. (We are all eternal beings who've been playing with how "far out" we can go.)

hey Traineehuman, your mentioning "it's illusion within illusion, folks" makes me think: so what "the entire physical world is one big trap"? This preference for the spiritual world (as I conclude) by the Buddha, makes me angry, it's such a confusion for many human beings who find it hard to live here in the material physical form. It's important to know at what stage in life one is arriving at this conclusion, and by what means: an inside or outside cause, as I don't mean to say it's not true Look at the inertia of poor Buddhist people, accepting that? Lacking initiative to better themselves, DO something?

I believe that, as long as I am in the physical world, in a body of flesh and blood, red bloodI've got to acknowledge that world, as REAL, as a GIVEN FACT, without labeling it as a trap. Think about a little kid, all curiosity for the world out there, touching, tasting by putting everything in it's mouth? You cannot tell a kid that those "things" are a trap? It's ridicilous!
For survival sake, in the material world, we have to embrace the physical world wholeheartedly, including the ego. There's nothing wrong with it in itself, it's simply a matter of when and how it's played out. Having noticed that all is relative and fleeting, the ego can let go, from within. When forced to let go....like telling yourself to ignore the physical world for spiritual gains, because the Buddha tells you so....now, if that's not a trap!.....we could simply flee from responsibilities and action. Think about "the devotees in this world, in all kinds of religion" sitting on their comfortable cushions, in meditation, feeling oh so superior towards "the crawling ants dutifully doing their job" Well, I guess I just described the paradox of Jesus words "Be in this world, but not of it" Hmmmm? Early bird Tint.

[MariaDine]

The cattle mutilation is a very weird thing and it 's going on for more then 30 years, acording to the investigator....
What do you think ? ....are Humans having a better treatment ?

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5J6O7ViU_U

[lightblue]

Re: ET - Good or Bad?
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The cattle mutilation is a very weird thing and it 's going on for more then 30 years, acording to the investigator....
What do you think ? ....are Humans having a better treatment

hmmm....not exactly...in the words of henry deacon who's had experience/encounters, reps serve humanity (for dinner)..he used those words
..but also, you yourself posted that 22 part video on this very subject (plausible reasons to belive reps really exist),on another thread i think, where some of the interviewees claim the same...i'm suprised you didn't pick on that considering it was you who posted the video for us... l



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[viking]

Mmm I wonder if they are making a point!!!

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ybg_mI6o7k

viking

[lightblue]

viking:

Mmm I wonder if they are making a point!!!

so why do you think they don't put them out of action once anf for all times? i don't think this is about god and/or bad, it's about the perspective - why do you think et are indifferent watching the destruction by other means? l



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[viking]

Posted by lightblue (here)
viking:


so why do you think they don't put them out of action once and for all times?

Haven't got a clue Blue.

viking

[TraineeHuman]

I believe that, as long as I am in the physical world, in a body of flesh and blood, red bloodI've got to acknowledge that world, as REAL, as a GIVEN FACT, without labeling it as a trap.

Tintagelcave, the Buddha's position was that, just as you say, we should not deny the reality of the world. Indeed, in some ways the most central idea in all forms of Buddhism is what is called tathata. That translates as "(simply) accepting what is". It's also true, however, that the Buddha claimed the physical world is one in which it's not possible to avoid suffering, and that it has suffering as part of its core nature. I'm sorry to have misled you by bringing in the concept of "illusion", which is a Christian and also a Hindu concept.

But personally, I consider that spiritual liberation includes the ability to kind of rest in the sixth dimension even while one also lives "in, but not of" the everyday world. And I consider that spiritual liberation involves the ability to kind of "turn down the volume" of one's ego's or one's mind's chatter and desires, as it's my experience that these are the root cause of one's suffering. For me, ultimately it's all about learning to stay relatively happy all the time. It's also my experience that the more one can do this, the greater one's capacity will be to face what's real. I guess in a way it's a little like how contrast in a drawing enables us to see things more clearly. Being conscious of the bliss and peace of the sixth dimension doesn't have to diminish one's appreciation of or action in the 3D world.

[BestLion]

My take from what we read of history..is that the ETs or gods..were what I call semi-good/bad. In Atlantis it was made by Posiden, and he mixed with a earth women..having 10 kingdoms arrive from that. But Posiden wasn't always that good, and was warlike..and so were the Atlantian demigods. The Annunaki enslaved people.
Then the age old question if the gods were bad then why didnt they destroy us when man was throwing stones? Well why would they? If you could control an entire race would you destroy them?
Also the universe itself speak that it is a hierarchy. And I feel aliens-gods also line up in accord to the laws of the universe. I'm of the opinion that their were gods-rulers over us 'and still are' and they forbid any other beings messing in their affairs.

[RMorgan]

Well, in my opinion, the universe is a pretty big place. In fact, it´s the biggest place around.

There might be bad beings out there. There might be good beings out there. There also might have beings who transcend the duality of good/bad.

The universe is such a huge place that there might be even identical beings living in near identical plants millions of light years away from each other.

Well, if we go with the possibility of extra habitable dimensions, things get even bigger.

There might be so many kinds of beings out there that we couldn´t imagine even in our wildest dreams!

The Universe is boiling with life and good and bad are essential parts of this life business. It´s all about balance.

Lions aren´t bad because they hunt and kill other animals to live.

You are not necessarily bad because you eat meat to live, you kill to live.

If an alien race comes here to eat us, they wouldn´t be bad as well. If an alien race came here to kill us and colonize our planet for their own survival, it doesn´t mean they are bad as well.

Do you feel guilty when you kill an insect? Or when you kill an entire ants or bee colonies which is in your way, so you can build a Jacuzzi?

Maybe, for some alien races out there, we might be just like insignificant insects.

The worst kind of beings are those to devour each other, who have no respect for their own kind...Like us.

Cheers,

Raf.

[mojo]

Hi Viking, ty for the thread. I don't understand why Dr. Greer basis his reasoning that they have to be good based on the fact that they haven't wiped us out yet. That is not logical thinking IMHO. I really like Dr. Greer's information on the whole except for a few points like this. I wonder why he hasn't reconsidered these opinions? Maybe the good ET's are keeping the bad one's in check on issues as large as usurping mankind? His position that all abudctions including human abductions were done by human based Mi-labs seems flawed as well.

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmoyoAYi7Do

[13th Warrior]

His position that all abudctions including human abductions were done by human based Mi-labs seems flawed as well.

It's my memory that Dr. Greer stated that "most" abductions were mil lab based this is very different than the claim of "all"...

Could you point me to where Dr. Greer states "all"?

[mojo]

Sorry, I stand corrected, I was recalling a generalization and he could have said most I just remember Richard Dolan speaking about him on the issue the of MI-labs.

[13th Warrior]

Posted by mojo (here)
Sorry, I stand corrected, I was recalling a generalization and he could have said most I just remember Richard Dolan speaking about him on the issue the of MI-labs.

Don't be too quick to apologize; my memory isn't perfect and i could well be mistaken?