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    Lightbulb If PA had been infiltrated, how would you know who's a troll/shill or not???

    With all the talk of spinsters, mis and disinformation, MIL agents, NSA etc,etc... How would we be able to tell if infact there isn't a troll or many trolls amongst us all? We keep hearing that that is the case most of the time everywhere, skype hacking, dropped calls, radio show interruptions, agenda/propaganda, slander, discrediting alternative media, and the list goes on and on... What are the precautions that are taken inasmuch as screening the folks here at PA who are going through the process of becoming members? Are there background investigation checks, criminal history, and/or credit checks, identity theft, what have you? How do we know we aren't already being mislead by the wolves in sheeps clothing, and they just play along with us to see when to throw some garbage in the mix? These questions are not based on paranoia, just strict discernment as to leave no stone unturned, and to weed out falsehoods before people are led down the wrong path in their journey for seeking out the truth. Thoughts anyone?
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    Default Re: If PA had been infiltrated, how would you know who's a troll or not???

    I guess we as in general or regular basis would not. But it doesn't matter, we have to discern on our own what we read and what we believe and/or know. We should not become a "police" forum. The table is served avalonians, come and take what you need.

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    Default Re: If PA had been infiltrated, how would you know who's a troll or not???

    Ummm. Is there some reason why we should reveal analytic or defensive maneuvers in public? Wouldn't help us, would it?

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    Default Re: If PA had been infiltrated, how would you know who's a troll or not???

    Ultimately we don't usually know who's a troll.

    Whether someone is consciously or inadvertently trolling is secondary. What matters more to me is the manner of their presence here, whether conscious or not, deliberate or not.

    We are unable to verify a member's actual "real world" identity, so usually could not even attempt to use the more conventional means of verification that a financial or government institution would use.

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    Default Re: If PA had been infiltrated, how would you know who's a troll or not???

    Troll, I would think, is a tricky concept for sites such as PA IMO.

    "Application of the term troll is subjective. Some readers may characterize a post as trolling, while others may regard the same post as a legitimate contribution to the discussion, even if controversial."

    Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)

    (What isn't controversial to someone or some group?)

    You could eliminate 'trolls' by defining them based on a criteria but that is a tricky slope. Who is going to be the last troll to turn out the lights?



    I posted the above video not for dramatic effect but for adding to the general concept of the censorship of 'trolls'.

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    Default Re: If PA had been infiltrated, how would you know who's a troll or not???

    Quote Posted by joeecho (here)

    "Application of the term troll is subjective. Some readers may characterize a post as trolling, while others may regard the same post as a legitimate contribution to the discussion, even if controversial."

    Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)
    I think the tenor of Linkplatinum’s question is more related to (parsing hairs here) the NSA/agenda-ridden/paid “Shill” than the broader term “Troll”.

    Trolls – or controversial/annoying/confrontational posters – are an ordinary fact of life and hopefully something we can learn to live with and adapt to at Avalon. We are all entitled to our firmly-held opinions, our emotions – and even the occasional rant.

    What the OP seems to focus on is the Shill: the “deliberate disinfo/slider/steering” type of poster. The fake person, paid or deluded to promote/confuse. The false agenda. The Mr. Nice Guy who signs on with another more sinister purpose....

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    Default Re: If PA had been infiltrated, how would you know who's a troll or not???

    ~ask any possible suspect troll this simple question: "are you willing to learn something new, yes or no?"

    Answer "yes" means the suspect troll has to prove he/she actually listens/learns by letting the suspect troll make an attempt to make an honest summary of what he/she has learned!

    If they are not able to do that THEY FAIL THE TEST thus highly likely a troll wasting our time with endless distractions! If they say "no" to the simple question then what is the fckn point of communication?
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    Default Re: If PA had been infiltrated, how would you know who's a troll or not???

    I guess anyone can turn into one of those creatures when emotions run high... however, I also guess that the OP meant paid "shills" on the payroll of some vested interests and who may or may not be trolls.
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    Default Re: If PA had been infiltrated, how would you know who's a troll or not???

    Quote Posted by Mercedes (here)
    But it doesn't matter, we have to discern on our own what we read and what we believe and/or know. We should not become a "police" forum. The table is served avalonians, come and take what you need.
    I like what Mercedes said here.

    The feast is laid out, come and take what you need.

    Of note is that people have been known to change their eating habits including trolls and shills.

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    Default Re: If PA had been infiltrated, how would you know who's a troll or not???

    Quote Posted by Selene (here)
    Quote Posted by joeecho (here)

    "Application of the term troll is subjective. Some readers may characterize a post as trolling, while others may regard the same post as a legitimate contribution to the discussion, even if controversial."

    Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)
    I think the tenor of Linkplatinum’s question is more related to (parsing hairs here) the NSA/agenda-ridden/paid “Shill” than the broader term “Troll”.

    Trolls – or controversial/annoying/confrontational posters – are an ordinary fact of life and hopefully something we can learn to live with and adapt to at Avalon. We are all entitled to our firmly-held opinions, our emotions – and even the occasional rant.

    What the OP seems to focus on is the Shill: the “deliberate disinfo/slider/steering” type of poster. The fake person, paid or deluded to promote/confuse. The false agenda. The Mr. Nice Guy who signs on with another more sinister purpose....

    Cheers,

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    Yes Selene, that is what I'm getting at.
    If there were "agents" doing what they do to take a certain topic, and drive it a totally into a different direction "left field", or "way off the reservation", I suppose based on their conversation you could kinda tell who is mixing the pot a bit too much and taking things too far. But, then there are those who may do that do this out of ignorance, by not knowing much about the topic before putting their 2 cents out there which could appear to be "trolling". It is a sticky situation to tell at times what may be the case when the RADAR is going off, unless of course you were to go and track all of that individuals posting history, and see if you can deduce a common theme to their rants and/or comments. But, I wouldn't think that a moderator would have the time to take on such a thing to screen peoples remarks based on the thousands of members, or would want to do so unless there was a situation that warranted that to be acted upon in that manner.

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    Default Re: If PA had been infiltrated, how would you know who's a troll or not???

    I wouldn't use the word troll for infiltration. I'd use the word shill. Granted, it's just semantics... Anyway, they no longer have to pay people to shill for them. Mind control does that trick just fine and there is no threat of whistleblowing and no need to pay the individual. Avalon is no doubt a target for mind control. It's very possible the nexus/avalon split was a mind control op. Mind control is like the matrix, almost anyone can be transformed into an 'agent' of TPTB temporarily.

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    Default Re: If PA had been infiltrated, how would you know who's a troll or not???

    Quote Posted by Omniverse (here)
    I wouldn't use the word troll for infiltration. I'd use the word shill. Granted, it's just semantics... Anyway, they no longer have to pay people to shill for them. Mind control does that trick just fine and there is no threat of whistleblowing and no need to pay the individual. Avalon is no doubt a target for mind control. It's very possible the nexus/avalon split was a mind control op. Mind control is like the matrix, almost anyone can be transformed into an 'agent' of TPTB temporarily.
    If that scalar weapon strategy is going full speed ahead still, after all the exposure (maybe the message wasn't conveyed HEAVY ENOUGH) on controlling an individuals thoughts/body, why is that not what is a major concern about shedding more light on? That subject, and the exposure of the technology should be pasted all over the place you would think, and should get them thrown out on their asses for their War Crimes against humanity, jail time and or executed wouldn't it?? That seems to be a big priority to get that invisible weaponry project eliminated ASAP.

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    Default Re: If PA had been infiltrated, how would you know who's a troll or not???

    every snake that slithers into our spaceship is always found out eventually ... starship Avalon is battle tested and we are still here !!! there are a few that work in the background with abilities they never speak openly about , they just quietly guard the flight deck while others sleep peacefully ...
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    Default Re: If PA had been infiltrated, how would you know who's a troll or not???

    Quote Posted by Omniverse (here)
    [...]

    ... Anyway, they no longer have to pay people to shill for them. Mind control does that trick just fine and there is no threat of whistleblowing and no need to pay the individual.

    [...]
    ... and folks are left holding the bag as happens with drinking binges and then nursing their hangovers with a "WTF came over me...?"

    If one suspects such things is happening to them, there is that thread that's in a "Members Only" section of the forum: Please report psychic attacks here
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    Default Re: If PA had been infiltrated, how would you know who's a troll or not???

    NLP works on most people, in it's written form, as the people are speaking the words in their head, via internal voicing.

    Thus, they program themselves -- they enter the words, the internal commands, into their minds, via this given channel.

    This is sort of how hypnosis works. we passively accept those spoken words as internal guidance. to pass by the conscious mind and into the unconscious, or the hind-brain.

    An expert would do things ..probably in two ways.

    Very bluntly, thus looking clumsy but in effect shutting down the conversation, or be very subtle and difficult to nail down. Being in the middle of that curve is the dangerous part, where technique will probably be noticed by someone.

    All we know, is that such persons are definitely here, but due to the constitution of the board (the varying types and levels), they may not be anywhere near as effective as they'd like to be.

    However, it might show itself to be a good proving ground for such people. I suspect that we would be seen in such circles as 'a tough audience'.
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    Default Re: If PA had been infiltrated, how would you know who's a troll or not???

    What would be the effect, at large, of a government shill posting on Avalon? Seems to me the consequences would be very minor. Not saying they don't want to listen in and see what material is being posted here, just not sure the effort to shill would be worth it for them.

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    Default Re: If PA had been infiltrated, how would you know who's a troll or not???

    As a member and a Mod I feel it's healthy to have this conversation every once in a while, as we have in the past. Indeed, we are still here and running strong much to the credit of our exemplary membership.

    From the Heart,
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    Default Re: If PA had been infiltrated, how would you know who's a troll or not???

    100% discernment as always. Being able to tell whe someone's joking vs a deliberate "maneuver". Does someone try to derail a thread close to the beginning or at the end when the ra ra has kind of died down. I've got the shill vibe from a few on this forum. Whether they were unwitting or not. Then again My brains spill out sometimes I'm so open-minded. Lol

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    Default Re: If PA had been infiltrated, how would you know who's a troll or not???

    Quote Posted by Tesseract (here)
    What would be the effect, at large, of a government shill posting on Avalon? Seems to me the consequences would be very minor. Not saying they don't want to listen in and see what material is being posted here, just not sure the effort to shill would be worth it for them.

    Well, Tesseract, here we must delve into the Archives of PA: the “Charles saga” of great fame. In that episode, early 2011, the good Admiral/head of the NSA, one Adm. J Michael McConnell (deny it if you will, Dadmiral...) decided that PA was gaining too much influence and needed to be “divided and conquered”. So they called in some of their mob friends and they summoned one talented individual – an elegant drug thug/money collector/Mafiosi (I am speaking out of turn here....) - whose job was to seduce and confuse our good founder, Bill Ryan.

    This, he accomplished with some finesse. Was granted full access and proceeded to mesmerize a significant percentage of the members with his tales of ...... whatever.

    To cut to the chase, a significant number of members left Avalon to follow “Charles” to a new site, now defunct. Others calved off another site, http://nexusnow.info/forum/forumdisp...ral-Discussion in the kerfuffle.

    But the Law of Unintended Consequences set in. Instead of reducing Avalon’s influence, we as a group grew stronger with many new members – and had developed a new sister site besides. Like a single-celled amoeba, when we were supposed to divide we instead multiplied into two functional cells. Ooops.

    But I don’t think that the 2011 failure has deterred them from trying new methods again, and again, and...

    Cheers,

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    Default Re: If PA had been infiltrated, how would you know who's a troll or not???

    Quote Posted by Carmody (here)
    NLP works on most people, in it's written form, as the people are speaking the words in their head, via internal voicing.

    Thus, they program themselves -- they enter the words, the internal commands, into their minds, via this given channel.

    This is sort of how hypnosis works. we passively accept those spoken words as internal guidance. to pass by the conscious mind and into the unconscious, or the hind-brain.
    How interesting!

    This reminds me of how the ego functions.

    If PA was spirit then troll/ shill would be ego. Ego (troll/ shill) attempts to hijack spirit (PA).

    Ego (troll/ shill) attempts to hack spirit (PA) but it is unhackable. If it was permanently hackable it would not be spirit (PA).

    Spirit manifested = troll doll.

    (I am not I. I am this one)

    This is a Spirit via troll post.

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