Who are the Special Forces of the World and Why are they here?

[Bob]

"Lock up a bunch of military members in a room, ask them to debate which Special Operations Group is the best. However, don't make any plans for the immediate future. They'll still be arguing about it when the beer and potato chips run out."

from: http://usmilitary.about.com/od/joint...specialops.htm

Each special force unit are "best" in their specific specialties.

Special Operations Forces are highly trained in general combat and small unit tactics, and each one can be used for many general special operations missions. However, each Special Operations Group is primarily trained for specific type missions. Special Operations Forces with the most training and experience for a particular type of operation are utilised to gain advantages rapidly with the most precision.

When not teaching foreign military groups how to sneak up on the enemy and kill them without dying themselves, for instance US Army Special Forces have four other missions that they do very well: Unconventional Warfare, Special Reconnaissance, Direct Action and Counter-Terrorism.

Unconventional warfare means they are capable of conducting military and paramilitary actions behind enemy lines. Such actions could include sabotage or helping convince the rebel leaders to switch alliances.

Here is a list,

Feel free to elaborate on what you believe they do, if you are or were one of them, and can talk about your ex-experiences. It takes a special person to be able to walk in those shoes and come back alive.

This list is not all inclusive, all of the Chinese Special Forces lists have not been mentioned in this OP.

1st Special Forces Operational Detachment, Delta Force

Navy Combat Demolition Units

SEAL teams and/or SEAL Delivery Vehicle Teams

1st Special Forces Group (SFG) US Army
3rd SFG at Ft. Bragg, NC
5th SFG at Ft. Campbell, KY
7th SFG at Ft. Bragg, NC
10th SFG at Ft. Carson, CO
19th SFG (National Guard)
20th SPG (National Guard)

75th US Army Ranger Regiment

10th Army Special Forces Group

US Marine Corps Special Operations Command

US Marine Special Operations Regiment

US Marine Corps. ANGLICO

US Marine Corps Force Reconnaissance

MARSOC - US Marine Corps.

US Green Berets

United States Air Force Pararescue

Joint Task Force-2 (JTF2) -

US CIA Special Activities Division - carrying out missions considered untouchable by units such as DEVGRU and SFOD-D (Delta Force). Their missions is never in the public eye, which is part of what makes them so impressive. Truly a fighting force to be admired.

US 160th Special Aviation Regiment (Air Force Night Stalkers)

United States Air Force Tactical Air Control -

Special Boat Service (SBS) - SBS is the most highly trained and quietest of all British special forces. They complete the same selection and training as SAS but are not 'badged' until they have completed more extensive and rigorous SBS training.

Contrary to some opinion here, they are not 'part of the SAS'. They are part of the Royal Marines.

British SAS - Nearly ALL the worlds Special Forces base their military model on the British SAS. In fact, the US Delta Force was set up after the founder spent time attached to the SAS.

British Royal Marine Commandos -

British Government Issue Joint Task Force -

Irish Army Ranger Wing -

Indian MARCOS

Indian Parachute Regiment - Para Commandos are a special forces unit of the Indian Army

Ghatak Force - Indian Air Force - airborne operations missions

Indian National Security Guard -

Indian Special Frontier Force -

Indian Garud Commando Force -

Indian Gurkhas -

Russian Spetsnaz - highly specialized tasked force groups within

Russian Alpha Group -

Pakistan Special Service Group (SSG)

Pakistani Special Service Group Navy -

Pakistan Marines -

Pakistani Special Service Wing - 312th Special Service Wing also known as Maroon berets

Shayetet 13 - Israel

Israeli Sayeret Matkal -

Polish GROM -

Polish JWK -

Polish JW Formoza -

Unit 777 - Egypt

USGN Tunisia -

GIM - The Tunisian Army Commando Special Forces group -

Maroon Berets - "Death is honorable. Fear and failure are not."
The unit was created to counter any interior or foreign attacks on the Turkish Republic. MB officers receive extensive training and are expected to survive in all environmental conditions.

Turkish Special Forces Command -

Kopassus - headquarters in Cijantung, East Jakarta, KOPASSUS is considered to be an elite force that has traditionally emphasized its small size and its quick-strike potential. It has been involved in numerous military actions in response to internal Indonesian unrest.

Malaysian PASKAL -

Malaysian VAT 69 -

Malaysian GGK (Grup Gerak Khas) -

Sri Lanka Special Forces -

French Naval Commandos -

French GIGN -

French RAID -

French Army Special Forces Brigade -

Jordanian SOCOM -

Australian SAS -

New Zealand Special Air Service -

German GSG 9 -

Norwegian Special Forces (FSK) -

Dutch Korps Commandotroepen -

MARSOF - Dutch

Danish Huntsmen Corps -

Austrian Jagdkommando -

Austrian EKO Cobra -

German KSK - (Kommando Spezialkräft) -

Vietnam Đặc Công -

Serbian Cobras -

Swedish Special Operations Group (SOG) -

Sri Lankan Special Task Force -

Philippine Scout Rangers -

Philippine NAVSOG -

Philippine Special Action Force (PNP-SAF) -

Nepalese Armed Forces -

Somalia Special Forces Unit Alpha Group -

Zimbabwe Commando -

Kenyan D Company -

South African Special Forces -

Lithuanian Special Operation Forces - Aitvaras -

Algerian Special Intervention Group -

Quds Force, IRGC Iran -

Nohed Iran Special Force -

Iraqi Special Operation Force (ISOF) -

Destacamento Acçoes Especiais (DAE) (Portuguese Marines)

Portuguese Operações Especias -

Brazilian Comandos FE - Forças especiais brasileiras. Special Brazilian Forces.

Grupo Aeromóvil de Fuerzas Especiales - Mexican Special Forces

Guatemalan Kaibiles -

Spanish Grupo Especial de Operaciones -

Bangladesh Navy Seal SWADS -

United Arab Emirates Union Defence Force -

Sultan Qaboos Special Force - (Oman)

Cuban Special Forces -

Czech URNA -

Italian GIS -

Italian COMSUBIN -

68th Brigade Bulgarian Special forces -

[Bob]

South African Special Forces

From their website: http://www.sf.mil.za/

As depicted by the compass rose, the South African Special Forces is always prepared, day and night, to be deployed anywhere in the world.

The SA Special Forces is a force multiplier for the South African National Defence Force to be utilized within the security community.

It has its headquarters in Pretoria and is supported by units specializing in amphibious, air and landward operations, as well as a dedicated logistics capability.

Because of the strategic nature of special operations, the Special Forces is an autonomous force. Operations are controlled at the highest level to ensure security, a short line of command, and the optimization of inherent capabilities.

Key capabilities and specialized skills enable the effective conduct of operations under severe conditions, anywhere in Africa.

Key phrase: "WE FEAR NAUGHT BUT GOD"

ref: http://www.africom.mil/newsroom/arti...special-forces

Partnering with South African Special Forces

Soldiers from U.S. Army Africa and the U.S. Army Ranger Training Brigade got a taste of South African Special Forces (SASF) training during a recent visit to South Africa. Senior SASF leaders invited the American soldiers to discuss the development of a course for junior leaders, according to a news release April 9, 2009.

Command Sergeant Major Earl Rice and Staff Sergeant Christopher Upp represented U.S. Army Africa during the visit. The U.S. soldiers were looking for a better understanding of SASF NCOs. From there, planning can begin to develop programs to strengthen their NCO capacity through interaction with mentors from U.S. Army Africa and U.S. Army Rangers.

"They are looking for ways to develop junior leaders within their units," said Rice, who is a trained Army Ranger. "Ranger training exemplifies the best in leadership development. Many of the skills Rangers learn could be adopted for this purpose."

SASF leaders recently attended a U.S. Army Ranger School graduation. After seeing how Ranger professionalism is combined with technical and tactical proficiency, they invited the U.S. soldiers to South Africa.

While in South Africa, Rice and Sergeant Major Erik Wilson from the Ranger Training Brigade met with SASF Command Sergeant Major Visinkosi Gogo, to talk about the way ahead for SASF NCOs and future partnership.

[Bob]

JW Formoza – Jednostka Wojskowa Formoza - Underwater specialty team.

http://discovermilitary.com/special-...skowa-formoza/

In September 1987, the unit changed its name to Special Operations Department and the Special Naval Frogman Groups were created in 1990. The unit has formidable striking power, two frogmen may sink or take control of an enemy’s ship, several of them may block even a large group of ships.

The current official name Formoza comes from a Polish Navy seamen nickname of unit's training base “Formoza” (from relation between mainland, coast and island like PRC and ROC Taiwan – Formosa) – a former WW2 German torpedo test platform, 500 m away from coast in Gdynia Naval Harbour (Formoza means Formosa in Polish).\\A basic team now consists of a pair formed to safeguard each other, three pairs create a special group, five groups – a section.

At the very beginning, conscripted soldiers served in the unit, nowadays the unit is entirely professional, which has increased its operating effectiveness. A three-year training system was preserved, for instance, during the first year, mainly shooting, swimming long distances, driving vehicles and foreign languages.

JWF is now part of Wojska Specjalne (1975-2008 – part of the Polish Navy).

The headquarters are stationed in Gdynia, Poland. It is subordinated to Wojska Specjalne. Reportedly, the Special Operations Sections consist of six groups and a base. Jednostka Wojskowa Formoza is prepared for special operations in times of peace, crisis and war.

Its basic tasks include the carrying out of operations on the sea, under water and in on-shore facilities, as well as land special operations. Usually the Formoza co-operates with a water subunit of the JW Grom, the frogmen subunit of the Jednostka Wojskowa Komandosów (formerly 1 Pułk Specjalny Komandosów) and some of its equivalents in the navies of the states belonging to NATO.

Their website is: http://www.formoza.wp.mil.pl/pl/index.html (in Polish)

[Bob]

Swedish Special Operations Group (SOG) - Särskilda operationsgruppen

The Swedish military organization SOG is known as one of the most secret Special Forces group
in the world.

Very few facts have been known about them for a long time.

However they did let in a Swedish newspaper team who just published an article about SOG.

They have only been caught on camera once on a mission in Africa, which made news in Sweden.

They are the country's best trained soldiers and have been fighting under the Swedish flag worldwide.

Special Operation Group, SOG, served during several deployments in Afghanistan.

In the Congo, during "Operation Artemis", was a really hard battle.

"When you've been in Afghanistan a few years , you will see progress. But you also notice the
corruption".

SOG 's main business is done overseas. Sweden has two full-time officers in the NATO special forces team in Belgium and another tied to the new U.S. special forces management's international staff, which opened in October in Florida. The latter is confirmed by Defence Minister Karin Enstrom (M), who visited headquarters last summer.

-The U.S. has declared that special forces capability is important in today's complex world. We also think it is important.

Karin Enstrom says that the location of the U.S. staff provides knowledge that can increase the Swedish units' military capabilities.

- It may also be that you need to interact in an operation, she says.

The U.S. is building a global network of special units that can work together. When the international headquarters opened in October last year included ten countries, Sweden and Australia are the only ones who are not members of NATO.

From an interview: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=564_1390670646

From : http://www.businessinsider.com/insid...erators-2014-2 Business Insider

Secret Raids Performed By Swedish Special Operators

"Policy-makers in Sweden have refused to confirm or deny any operations that Swedish troops may have participated in, but by correlating martyr biographies of dead jihadists, at least one newspaper has been able to put two and two together.

"The dead are two Saudi foreign fighters who came to Afghanistan to wage the jihad and appear to have been killed in 2011. Abdul Rahman bin Obaidullah first waged jihad in his home country with Al Qaeda before traveling to Afghanistan. His martyr biography reads, “Self-trained in close combat and bomb-making, he took second jihadists to Afghanistan where he was killed for Swedish bullets during Ramadan fall 2010.

"After a confrontation he allegedly tracked into hiding. Armed with a gun and grenade wounded him three soldiers, whereupon he was shot ‘in the confrontation with the Swedes.’”

"The second jihadist was Abdul Ilah Otaibi, who apparently saw action fighting American troops in Kandahar. The terrorist propaganda reads that he was, “wounded and killed ‘with a smile.’ He was shot by ‘mercenaries’ and ‘crusaders’ from Sweden.” That last bit will no doubt give both Swedes and Americans a chuckle.

"Despite the jihadi talking points, it appears that the unit involved, Sweden’s SOG (or Special Operations Group), met with enemy resistance and returned fire in accordance with Swedish policies and the Law of Land Warfare."

SOG is a relatively new unit, formed in 2011, that merged two previous Swedish Special Operations units, SSG and SIG. Think of SOG as a combination of Delta Force and Dev Group, a unit capable of counter-terrorism operations with added maritime capabilities.

While information on SOG is scant, it seems reasonable to suspect that Sweden’s Ministry of Defense did this in order to pool resources.

Both of the previous units are suspected to be small in number (less than 100 operators at best), so by combining the two units into SOG would allow the Swedes greater counter-terrorism capabilities. Recall that not every nation has the massive budget that SOCOM and JSOC have.

Swedish SOF are also reported to have deployed to Chad, the Central Africa Republic, and the Congo in recent years as well, prior to SOG being stood up. Swedish operators may have also conducted other classified covert operations, including domestically in their home nation, which have gone unreported thus far.

SOG is reported to have a small number of women in the unit, or attached to it, who work in intelligence roles.

“Sweden has two full-time officers in the NATO special forces team in Belgium and another tied to the new U.S. special forces management’s international staff, which opened in October in Florida.

"The latter is confirmed by Defence Minister Karin Enstrom (M) , who visited headquarters last summer…

"The U.S. is building a global network of special units that can work together.

"When the international headquarters opened in October last year included ten countries , Sweden and Australia are the only ones who are not members of NATO.”

Symbol of Force: Upon a black shield is a six-pointed star in silver in the upper left corner. It was developed by the Armed Forces Board of Traditions and symbolizes the unit´s ability of special problem solving, effectiveness of duty and clandestine operations.

Update - SOG and SIG have a relation together..

Swedish Special Reconnaissance Group, (SIG) was one of the two Swedish special operations units and was created in 2006, when it broke out of the Parachute Ranger School Fallskärmsjägarskolan.

The exact number of operatives were classified but is thought to have been between 50 and 70, with an average age of 30. SIG was deployed for clandestine surveillance and reconnaissance.

The aim was to gather intelligence on activities, certain individuals, or anything of strategic importance.

Intelligence gathering through long range reconnaissance, close target reconnaissance, HUMINT, covert surveillance and special reconnaissance.

Missions undertaken by SIG required its operators to covertly infiltrate and move inside hostile territory for long periods without detection.

Officially SSG and the SIG merged in 2011 as Särskilda operationsgruppen (Special Operations Group, SOG).

[Matt P]

This is very interesting and I hope not to derail the thread but when I read/see all this it reminds me how primitive earth humans are. All this money, training, resources and time spent learning how to kill each other. Imagine if we put all those people, resources and time behind expanding the consciousness of the planet as opposed to destroying it. It's simply amazing. Sorry.

Matt

[Bob]

Indian Air-Force's Garud Commando-Force

The Garud Commando Force is the Special Forces unit of the Indian Air Force.

It was formed in September 2004 and has a strength of approximately 2000 personnel.

The unit derives its name from Garuda, a divine bird-like creature of Hindu Mythology.

Motto: Offence is the Best Form of Defense

Garud is tasked with the protection of critical Air Force bases and installations; search and rescue during peace and hostilities and disaster relief during calamities.

They are also in Africa stationed to assist in relief efforts. (DR Congo)

After attempts by terrorists to attack two major air bases in Jammu and Kashmir in 2001, Indian Air Force commanders felt the need for a specialized force to protect these critical elements and to have a dedicated Commando Force trained in Special Forces techniques, Combat Search and Rescue, Reconnaissance, Counter Insurgency (COIN) Operations and Emergency in response to terror-threats to airfields.

While the Army might have provided some Special forces units to the Air Force, its units were always subject to being posted out on rotation to other areas as per the Army's requirements. It was felt that the specialized training the air force would have provided such units would have to be repeated again and again for the replacement units.

The initial plans mooted in October 2002 called for a specialized force with 2000 commandos. The group was originally called "Tiger Force", but was later renamed as "Garud Force"

Garuds have diverse responsibilities. Besides base protection force to protect airfields and key assets in hostile environments, some advanced Garud units are trained like Army Para Commandos and the Naval MARCOS to undertake missions deep behind enemy lines.

Security of IAF (Indian Air Force) installations like radars, airfields and other establishments in border areas is generally performed by the Air Force Police and the Defence Security Corps (DSC).

During hostilities, Garuds undertake combat search and rescue, rescue of downed airmen and other forces from behind enemy lines, suppression of enemy air defence (SEAD), radar busting, combat control, missile and munitions guidance ("lasing" of targets) and other missions in support of air operations. It has been suggested that they undertake an offensive role including raids on enemy air bases etc. during times of war.

Apart from protecting air bases from sabotage and attacks by commando raids, they are also tasked to seal off weapons systems, fighter hangars and other major systems during intrusions and conflicts.

ref: http://pib.nic.in/newsite/erelease.aspx?relid=262

ref: http://globalmilitaryreview.blogspot...ndo-force.html

ref: http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/To...33-Garuds.html

[ghostrider]

special forces are not what TV portrays them to be , they are teachers , they teach foreign armies/rebels how to be an army ... they must speak a second language , they TRAIN small groups of fighters ... they are not the kick the door down and shoot everyone types , that's left up to the U.S. Rangers and marines ... Media has never gotten it right concerning the green berets ... they operate out of FT. Bragg , JFK special warfare center at the end of Division Road ... I was stationed on that road , spent four years pounding the ground on that street , passing right by their headquarters every morning at 6:30 am ... most of them speak a middle eastern language , troop movement , weapons and first aid , basically - how to be a soldier , marching , leadership , command and control ... they are teachers , and the GI joe the movies portray ...

[Bob]

Maroon Berets - Turkey Special Forces Operations - Özel Kuvvetler Komutanlığı - (OKK)

Motto: "Death is honorable. Fear and failure are not."

The Special Forces Command is not aligned to any of the three Turkish branches of TAF (Turkish Air Force), receiving its orders directly from the General Staff of the Republic of Turkey.

Training encompasses fitness, obstacle, Martial Arts, close quarters combat (CQC), biological/chemical/nuclear warfare, parachuting, diving, sniping, demolition, counter-terrorism, search and rescue, stealth seek and destroy, reconnaissance and survival. Learning foreign languages is a part of the training. During the training, candidates are pushed by their instructors to their limits, both physically and mentally. Training schedule includes all aspects of a modern day regular and psychological warfare.

Operations:

• Surveillance on enemy structures, facilities, defense systems or strategically relevant buildings.
• Covert sabotage against enemy units and structures.
• Infiltration.
• Reconnaissance.
• Hostage/POW/downed pilot rescue.
• Counter-terrorism missions.
• Close Quarter Combat.
• Organization and training of friendly civilians against the enemy.

Capture of Abdullah Ocalan, the Chief of the terrorist PKK organization, in Kenya and of Semdin Sakik, PKK’s second chief in charge were carried out by the OKK.

The OKK gained vast amount of experience in search and destroy type missions, especially in rural areas and caves in South-East Turkey during its years long campaign against the PKK. The OKK has also been undertaking missions in Bosnia, Kosovo, Albania, Afghanistan and North Iraq.

ref: http://www.cfr.org/turkey/inside-kur...rty-pkk/p14576 - PKK - (PKK after its Kurdish name, Partiya Karkeren Kurdistan, the group is labeled a terrorist organization by Washington, and continues to conduct strikes inside Turkey. Recent attacks on Turkish soldiers, and new vows to target politicians and police, have further infuriated Ankara. Yet the group, which formed decades ago to win an independent Kurdish state, has been greatly diminished in more than thirty years of resistance. Originally a well-oiled guerrilla force of some fifty thousand men and women, analysts today estimate the force is between three thousand and five thousand fighters. )

A few OKK teams were sent to Afghanistan during Operation Enduring Freedom and trained the new recruits of the newly established regular Afghan Army.

ref: http://www.janes.com/article/33915/t...ol-of-military - laws on control of Military, Turkey

[Bob]

Bangladesh - SWAD

Bangladesh Navy Seal SWADS

The Special unit for military diving and rescue (SWADS) is an elite special force unit of Bangladesh's Navy.

This Special unit for military and rescue diving is specially organized as an elite team of top professionals that are highly trained and well equipped. They started by following the model of the U.S. Navy SEALs and UDT SEALs from Republic of Korea.

At the beginning of the core, it consisted of members who were trained UDT SEALs by the Republic of Korea.

This included officers and other ranks trained in the Republic of Korea (South Korea). The team is composed of finest members from the military who are serving in Bangladesh but also all over the world in UN peacekeeping missions.

Specialized Operations

SWADS teams are well trained and equipped to perform a variety of challenging missions including hostage rescue, anti piracy, counterintelligence missions, anti narcotics, fight terrorism, covert insertion and extraction behind enemy lines, to collection of intelligence and underwater demolition.

SWADS: SWADS operatives are recruited from the Navy and allied services. Those who are great in the Navy, and who are considered capable of this special branch of service are offered a chance to try out for the service.

SWADS are a division of the Navy in Bangladesh.

Missions

SWADS missions are both local regional, and global in nature. In addition as part of the Bangladesh Navy Special Forces, they have to be good in operations on the ground. During national crisis, they are called to preserve peace, and to perform rescue missions for the state. Currently, their mission is of a domestic nature. However, during the global konfliakta or terrorist threats, they become a sought after special unit because of good adaptation to both terrestrial and maritime operations.

Operations

SWADS teams are employed within Bangladesh and abroad. Their missions include, but are not limited to: teams are employed both inside Bangladesh as well as overseas:

• Anti-piracy operations
• Kontraobavještjane action
• Counter narcotics operations
• Of terror operations
• Insertion and leaving behind enemy lines
• Rescuing Hostages
• Various scouting
• Collection INTEL and that intelligence
• Raids
• Underwater action

ref: http://information.usnavyseals.com/2...-services.html

[Bob]

SOCOM of Jordan - العمليات الخاصة المشتركة الاردنية

Special Operation Forces of the Jordanian Armed Forces were founded on April 15, 1963 on the orders of the late King Hussein.

In the early 1970s, Jordan's Special Forces were developed and assigned the tasks of reconnaissance, counter-terrorism, search and evacuation, combat, and the protection of key sites.

The Special Forces have also been charged with precision missions including the targeting of military convoys and the cutting off of enemy supply lines and communications.

Members are equipped and trained to be able to operate behind enemy lines for long periods without any logistical support.

Called: JSOC, Al-Khassa , Al Saiqa, Red Berets

Jordanian special operations forces evolved from a multi-task company-size parachute unit in the early 1960s to brigade-size in the early 1980s, with more specialized units, including a parachute unit, special forces unit and a small counter-terrorism unit.

Joint Command formed primarily 3 divisions

• The Special Forces Brigade consists of a special forces group, a counter-terrorism battalion and a combat search-and-rescue battalion. This brigade is mainly equipped and trained to successfully fight unconventional threats, with a good capability to also face conventional ones.
  
• The Rangers Brigade is more geared towards fighting conventional threats, with good capabilities to support internal security operations.
  
• The Special Operations Aviation Brigade provides the joint task forces with mobility, timely response capabilities and insertion platforms, especially for the counter-terrorism teams.

Tactical Functions

• Occupying airborne bridge-head to assist ground forces.
• Conducting raids on enemy HQs, artillery sites, missile sites, roads and any other significant key targets.
• Airborne and air assault operations.
• Armor hunting.
• Strategic reconnaissance missions.
• Organizing, training and developing guerrilla forces.
• Operating behind enemy lines.
• Assaulting captive cells and freeing POWs.
• Urban area operations.
• Readiness to assist any Arab brethren countries upon request.
• Search and rescue operation.

Security Tasks:

• Counter terrorism operations.
• Counter infiltration and smuggling.
• Internal security operations.

Training Tasks :

• Provide rangers and paratrooper training to JAF units.
• Provide officers and NCO's from Arab countries with special operations and ranger courses.
• Train public security and customs department officers.
• Participate in training courses held in Arab countries.

Strategic Tasks:

• Participate in UN missions.
• Assist in training friendly forces.
• Evacuation operations in time of disasters.

With the need for surrounding countries to develop modern forces, Jordan has become a center of experience and specialized training for special forces.

Jordan has trained to meet the needs of Arab and non-Arab countries. As an established regional center for special forces training, Jordan has trained forces from Algeria, Bahrain, Iraq, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Morocco, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, the UAE and Yemen.

[truth4me]

Posted by mpennery (here)
This is very interesting and I hope not to derail the thread but when I read/see all this it reminds me how primitive earth humans are. All this money, training, resources and time spent learning how to kill each other. Imagine if we put all those people, resources and time behind expanding the consciousness of the planet as opposed to destroying it. It's simply amazing. Sorry.

Matt

nail meet hammer....

[Koyaanisqatsi]

In war, those with the least morality are too often victorious

[wnlight]

Well, Thanks, Bob. I am sure that I and my wife would be hard pressed if one of those jack boots would break in my front door. Although scary, it is good to know what evil lurks outside. To know what forces exist that are controlled by the evil governments around the world.

I have my angels to protect me and will not live in fear.