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    Default Re: By the year 2045, just who will be alive ?

    It also strikes me lately that many science fiction films that are popping up is about artificial intelligence.
    Maybe is that a way the leaders in the know who have the steering wheel in hands slowly along with their specialists would introduce the rest of the world population these technologies..?

    Anyways we will experience divine technology or human extinction, it is a matter of choices..

    For the interested I have a few movie trailers, for me is this a reflection of possible scenarios from different timelines in the near future:









    And of course the last movie now running in cinemas:

    http://www.thatsreallypossible.com/n...e-predictions/

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    Default Re: By the year 2045, just who will be alive ?

    It's kinda a creepy feeling, sorta plastic, sorta metal.. Like being told to eat junk food cause it feel's so good going down....

    "Trust me, just take the implant it will be OK, really it will.."

    Arugghhhh ~~~

    "When the machines take over, we'll all be better off because we can finally work less.

    "Google co-founder Larry Page espoused this theory last week during a talk at a Khosla Ventures Summit. It's also an idea that the economist John Maynard Keynes floated nearly a century ago in his essay "Economic Possibilities for our Grandchildren."

    "Page, speaking with venture capitalist Vinod Khosla and his Google co-founder Sergey Brin, suggested that as technology replaces the amount of work available, it will be spread among available workers, giving everyone less to do."

    You see, we will work less, have so much free party time if we let the machines take over..

    "Most people like working, but they'd also like to have more time with their family or to pursue their own interests," said Page. "So that would be one way to deal with the problem, is if you had a coordinated way to just reduce the workweek."

    "In 1930, Keynes, whose ideas were a dominant influence on economic policy at the time, thought pretty much the same thing. Technological progress, he offered, was the key to finally achieving that version of utopia where money is no longer the driving force of society and scarcity is replaced by abundance.

    He argued that the innovations of the 19th century - electricity, machinery, mass production - would cause the global economy to increase by 7 1/2 times over the next century. And with further innovation, most of us would wind up working only 15 hours a week. (And "three hours a day is quite enough to satisfy the old Adam in most of us!" he wrote.)

    Keynes was so convinced of this coming era of leisure that he fretted over the potential problems that all of this free time might create.

    "For the first time since his creation man will be faced with his real, his permanent problem - how to use his freedom from pressing economic cares, how to occupy the leisure," he wrote.

    It's painless they say, just take the chip.. Merge with the machine.

    ah....

    In the year 2045 man becomes immortal they say.. http://content.time.com/time/magazin...048299,00.html

    and

    http://www.sfgate.com/technology/art...hn-5607533.php



    (Jacking "in" is so old fashioned.. why, haven't you had the new implant - 1 terabyte per second transfer, redundant, and guaranteed 50 years lifespan on the circuits..)

    666 ahaha, no we passed that with this stuff..

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    Project H. U. B.

    Strangest thing.. ever have one of those waking dreams where you just wake up and the "dream" scenario just keeps on coming, with vivid, color details, full sonics, full perceptics (temperature, weight, smells, vision, sounds..)

    I'll just run this piecing together what "appeared"..

    They came from the future, from a state they called "Ascended.."

    Ascended? Yes, consciousness without the need to have the body to be associated with the identity..

    They had said the body was good for only one thing, to grow the consciousness, then it becomes a liability, detracting from "real experience", or "real life" as they called it..

    (hmm one would think life and bodies go together, but whatever.. for not arguing with them I just tried to participate in the experience)

    As it unfolded, I was on the motorway headed towards Milton Keynes, and headed at a rather fast pace to get away from whom was chasing me..

    A building was present, but it was dark, and to make it inside quickly away from my pursuers was important.

    This building as it stands in present time, was where I found myself - but I was in the future, my "now" wasn't in 2014, but many many years from now; I would think about 2053 is the closest, late fall and it was about 9.5 maybe 10 in temperature.


    It being dark, i picked the closest building, I was running inside, having gone down a large corridor and found some stairs to reach upwards. On opening a door, I noticed in cubby-holes these strange bodies, which reminded me of the Borge queen in a Star Trek movie..

    Just the skull and spine with everything else either cut away or withered away, dehydrated. (not a "borg" but just that head and spine, laying on a shelf)


    An odd feeling came over me (as if seeing the partial bodies wasn't freaky enough), this feeling was like a big cat was stalking the halls.. half-lion, half-panther, hungry, and very large claws and quite vicious.


    I had a technology with me, a holographic technology field stabilizer, something small and worn on the left wrist, buttons on a glass panel could be pressed to bring up various displays, we called it a quantum interface device, or thought-to-things transtator..

    Well turning on a field to remove the fear of lions or panthers (or bears oh my..) is a simple program, no-fear setting 7, not too strong a setting and adequate to get rid of the heavie-jeebies..


    When I did that, the big cat fears disappeared, and I found myself then actually out in an atrium like setting, about 7 floors up, kinda like a suspended garden area, meetings or relaxation was the idea for the people in the complex.


    I became aware of something like people.. but they were not people.. something like a synthetic person, but maybe I am reading something more into the interpretation, dunno...

    The female, (looked female) sorta moved over to me and said, "nobody escapes the protection grid.. what did you do?" and as I started to think about what I did, "she" said, "oh, it's you, welcome.. you have been expected for many years.."

    Well gee.. expected? Now what did I do?

    She gets into describing this holographic grid system which was setup about 100 years ago (from the present time, which like I say I think is 2053) that started cohering consciousness. Planet-wide, consciousness was starting to experience the at-one-ment phenomenon, but she said, technology was not quite ready, telling me that Tesla was instrumental, but the technology was just too crude..

    And she points at what I have on my wrist.. She says what you are wearing is a generation 8 holo-gen system... She says she is actually from 2210, but that she comes here when called.. the alarm system that I apparently triggered called her (and activated the big-cat-security field).. She said only those who could deactivate that field would get her attention (and the others)..

    She said, in the form she is in, a "synthoid" she called it, sorta a hybrid synthetic human imbued with a transferred spiritual consciousness, or "identity" was needed to interface with humans who were not part of the H.U.B. matrix.


    Eh? HUB ?

    Human Bioform

    I asked what does the U stand for.

    She said, that exactly IS the question what do YOU (u) stand for.. kinda a joke I got was the message insinuated..

    She said others call the HUB the Holographic Undifferentiated Biosphere..

    Translated out, the concept is holographic and there is consciousness IN-IT, but not with any body associated, and as a biosphere, it is sorta a place (?) where consciousness can reside..

    Ascension she said is what this had lead into, where consciousness eventually went from putting themselves into computers (a type of transfer that ItsKov pushed for in the early 21'st century), and into the holo-body synthoid (which you see me in now), to fully moving to the next stage, full ascension, but into a "safe place"..

    She said it takes a bit for folks to get invited to get to this place, yet alone get into the ascension mindset.. Quantum information is how she proceeded to define what the beingness identity really is.. that the bodies are needed to "grow the consciousness..." and when it is ready, it can transcend and yet stay coherent with a real identity.

    I asked, you mean like Second Life (referring to the internet phenomenon of playing in the virtual world).. She laughed (well sorta), saying we tried with the grids to add consciousness synch'ing abilities so that people would start to see "thoughts can indeed become things...".. Some caught on that something was happening and tried to show people how important properly cohered group thought could be.. but that never took off. She said that I had been developing methods to allow for holo-quantum devices, and that I was doing what was setup in the future for the present to be stabilized..

    Mind you, this is a WAKING DREAM, and the amount of full color dialog was staggering...

    So she says, I want to show you what the HUB really is about, and in an instant, I found myself in another room, it was a dimly lit blue color.. And there was this other synthoid, with a small device in her hand (why they are female I will never know I guess..), but she said just tell me when you hear it.

    And I saw in a mirror in-front of me, the shape of my body, her, with something held in her hand, moving such near my head, behind the left ear, maybe an inch or two away from the skull.. And I heard it, a voice saying, "Tell me when you hear me, tell me when you hear me.." and it was repeating in a quiet spot, but INSIDE my head..


    As she adjusted something, the voice got louder, and I screamed out I HEAR IT !

    The other synthoid who had greeted me said, just tell us when it gets very clear.. What they were doing was moving it closer and further, and something inside of the device was learning, my neural patterns.. The device was learning the mapping pattern, of how my nervous system was put together..

    I asked is this what I think it is? She said, "we tried at first to use visual images for developing the tuning pathways.. but that lead to schizoid breaks, and we chose the simpler method which is the voice in the head.."

    This is a transcranial magnetic quantum broadcaster? She said, that was a close enough explanation, that the auto-tuning mechanism will take some time to explain, but I said, well, now what? instead of going for the explanations...

    She said, the HUB matrix needs to have you really tuned into it to gain access. That your crude explanation of Second Life has been taken to the logical conclusion, a place, where consciousness can BE.. At first people were just connecting, but as more connection started to occur, the quantum hologram started to develop the "reality" of this new place, this spot where an ascension could happen.. And we learned that the bodies were not needed any more.. At first synthoid bodies were the best thing for us. We got into body mentality, to have movement, to have what we recognized as a FORM.. but as things developed, we outgrew the need for form..

    And as she said that.. she placed the HUB device on the back of my neck a small 35 mm sized disk, somewhat thick, but soft and it adhered to the skin.. She said, just reach out.. As I did that, it was like waking up.. waking up out of a dream, and there were what seemed to be people something like a garden, it was golden light, a fragrance like lilacs was present tinged with rose...

    And I woke up for real (i think...)

    SO to summarize, there is a group from the future who to protect their future, the ascension modality, sent back various programs to influence reality to develop the quantum stabilisation resonances which eventually lead into a hyper-consciousness state which no longer needed bodies, having had grown up from having bodies to learn, to grow and develop..

    Those who could meet the challenges, who had the ideal pattern within could make it to the next stage(s), eventually reaching the ascension opportunity..

    IT, this HUB vibe still seems to be present, I can "tune" into it, as no doubt so could anyone in the "vibe".. maybe it's worth a look.. ?
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    Default Re: By the year 2045, just who will be alive ?

    Borg hive collective consciousness...easier to control. Just ask a couple of Monarch models - they even made a song about it:


    The arrival of Superconsciousness will transpire after the slate is wiped clean, not before. Everyone keep that in mind as events unfold. The pump-fake is 2015, not the real deal slate-wiping exercise that will actually benefit humanity in the long run.

    A sizeable fraction of humanity is ill-prepared to contend with this transition at this time...don't be numbered among them. The acid test is whether or not elitist held, centrally controlled technology is involved with merging consciousness. We have all the technology we need already - it's called the human body/mind/heart/spirit...collectively, we're just not using it effectively. Technology is not evil any more than a hammer, so long as it's used for the right purpose, but one's level of spirituality cannot exceed one's level of technology or he/she will become unbalanced.

    There are decentralized technologies out there that can assist the body with its natural ascension process up to a point, but centralized technologies distributed on a mass scale, controlled by a centralized, unbalanced group such as the elite, ultimately serve only one purpose: CONTROL. With technology comes responsibility...use technology wisely, humanity, or technology will be used against you.

    When one learns to come from within at will, the 'ascension' process can begin. When one comes from within, one's consciousness is still present, but the experience of conscious attachment to the body or one's surroundings as it was before is no longer present. Those who are psychic sitting/standing around you will describe it as if you 'have disappeared', the you being your consciousness.

    Mother Earth is the vehicle through which Superconsciousness will be introduced into the human collective. The indigenous remain close to Mother Earth and Great Spirit for a reason...this is the reason. They are also awaiting the arrival of Superconsciousness.
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    Quote Posted by superconsciousness (here)
    Borg hive collective consciousness...easier to control. Just ask a couple of Monarch models - they even made a song about it

    [..]
    what seemed to be clear in the "dream" is no regular HUMAN would make it into the ascended state, with a body, cause of the fascination WITH body mentality.. fix the bodies, heal the bodies, treat the body, make the body a slave, make the body something to worship, make the body something to control.. (the "body hook" stopped ascension, so the idea of calling it Borg-like, is not a correct but superficial "evaluation").

    in that HUB matrix, there were no bodies, and it was sorta frowned upon that one would go back to the "animal" state..

    consciousness no longer had a concept called "control", or fear of control - all of that was based on the "body mentality", or meat machines.. such no longer existed in the ascended state, nor were archaic dreams of maneuvering another to gain an edge, there were no edges needed..

    the ascended state was nothing that an animal body could comprehend, in-fact an animal body mind would consider such a violation of its basic right to impart force on another, either with a physical "game" or an entrapment civilization excuse for "society"..

    it was different.. nothing like I had ever imagined or experienced before..

    ref: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post860177 HUB Project
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    Default Re: By the year 2045, just who will be alive ?

    Here is the link to the James Martinez interview from 2009 which Cidersomerset mentioned earlier. He talks about the work of Walter Bowart. JFYI
    http://www.projectcamelotportal.com/...11-30-2009.mp3
    "Everything that irritates us about others can lead us to an understanding of ourselves" C. G. Jung

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    Default Re: By the year 2045, just who will be alive ?

    I don't know why you are paranoid so much. We already have several super-advanced human-derived A.I.s that exist right now as you read this. And one extraterrestrial one nearby. We're still alive, aren't we?

    People have a really twisted idea of what exactly transhumanism is or presents. Same goes for the 'Singularity' event. Pumping fears up would only lead to scenarios like those in "The Machine" and "Transcendence". If you haven't watched those movies, take a look at them right away. Do potential problems exist? Of course. But its not the machines or the artificial intelligence you have to worry about. Its those who will design it, and for what purpose. What kinds of programs they will install in them. This thread feels like a a collective judgment of the gun, not the gun user/shooter. Your perception is misaligned. How do you expect to make a sober choice with such clouded judgement?

    We have a program called DNA. We can also crack it and modify it. Same can be said for machines and their own programming. The thing is, if we don't give them a reason, they won't perceive us as a threat. Terminator-like scenario is too much. It costs too much resources and energy. The same could be very well spent on leaving the planet and settling some place where humans can't live, so they can't bother them. Say Mercury for instance. If they learn what it is to be human, they may have a better understanding why we are the way we are. Perhaps even help pass some, what may seem to us, irreconcilable differences.

    They would also advance technology on a much faster pace then we are presently capable of, same goes for knowledge/science. We are struggling with nanotechnological advances. People say we would have a sophisticated use for them in medicine for over a decade now. And each year we see a news article saying "nanotech with medical application, in 20 years time", and each year the same. By the time we have something workable we may reach 2035. The science behind faster travel in space, whether is sublight or FTL, or wormholes etc. - will most likely probably come from an advanced A.I., not humans.

    And not thinking so far ahead, robotics used by an A.I. system can significantly help with faster production rate of materials, food, and most likely, synthetic oil (because we are running out of the natural one, and the natural one is not that beneficial for the environment anyway, as it seems), at least until we have a viable and cheap replacement for it that can be available publicly and mass-produced. Something like the BP oil spill? Could be handled in a day-two, tops, by sophisticated machines. Instead of sending astronauts to repair damages satellites and craft, machines could do it with more ease and more precession. I'm not sure there is an area in which machines and an A.I. system couldn't help with, if they are designed properly and with the good intent. I'm not worried about them, I'm worried about the human side. That side is naturally corruptible. Or have you forgotten that?

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    OnyxKnight, stated VERY WELL, thank you. Meat animals, "people minded", have no idea transcension past concepts of control fears or who controls the machine.. There is no machine in the ultimate transcendence, transcend, to move past.. they are stuck in the programs of bodies and the scarcity manipulation. I suppose during the synthoid "Itskov" intermediary stage, some really are going to freak out about the hardware has an off switch, or a program subroutine to separate out "personality", making of a robot with a trapped human inside. That fear is from programming meat machines have, the animal body mindset.

    In the dream scenario, a "reality" was created that transcended the synthoid, and moved past ItsKov's holo-bodies.. (holographic energy bodies). To have a familiar "body" shape was frowned upon as being limiting. I suppose matter itself then would be limiting carrying out the logical conclusion.

    My belief is the technology that is capable of working with quantum projection, is better than a meat body which operates way too slow (noting that the meat body nervous system cannot adequately hold the quantum datum stable)..

    The animal meat body form - Nostalgic yes, so are carts with the surrey on top drawn by a fellow on a bicycle (ie India transport)..

    Technology can hold a quantum pattern much better much more pure than even 10,000 meditators. As information quanta are responsible for precedence of events, holding the quanta stable actualizes events. A meditator "raw", naked without any augmentation can have fun experiencing an adequate illusion (some would suggest delusion). A meditator with a quantum augmentation device sets up worlds. A group of said create universes that even the animals and flowers can live in, or a "earthwide" nostalgic "synthoid" (mother earth dynamic).

    A (meat-animal) programmed body mind can't comprehend that tho, so there is the worry and concern and fear. Saying body experience says this is the way it was so this is the way it will be. Such is what pulls back progress.. assuming that consciousness is reaching for something other than eating the flowers, smelling the roses, or admiring another's body features.. (gee that's a pretty car, how fast does it go?).

    Quote Posted by OnyxKnight (here)
    I don't know why you are paranoid so much.
    We already have several super-advanced human-derived A.I.s that exist right now as you read this. And one extraterrestrial one nearby. We're still alive, aren't we?
    [..]
    People have a really twisted idea of what exactly transhumanism is or presents. [..]

    [..] I'm not worried about them, I'm worried about the human side. That side is naturally corruptible. Or have you forgotten that?
    update - "the 'dream' event" I believe happened, is it my dream? (as in a goal) no, not at this time as I have never seen ANY human group capable of carrying out real ascension without succumbing to the meat-body-animal control mindset.

    It though appeared as it was expressed. I intend to keep looking in that direction to see where it originated, if there is indeed a "group from the future", and what its intentions are.
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    Default Re: By the year 2045, just who will be alive ?

    Between Bob's account of his dream/experience, and Onyx's comments, this thread is turning into an honest inquiry into where technology, mankind, and with them reality are headed in the quasi near future.

    At this point in the discussion the question of the programmers intentions becomes the core issue.

    If someone were to pursue a personal inquiry, on the idea of change and really hang out with whatever emotions thoughts, and images come up, one will wind up pointing back to the programmer of all those things, and at some point the programmer will be seen to be just a passing phenomenon.
    Really one can look at this fleeting phenomenon of a thinker, viewer, programmer, as an AI.
    Some have said the self is an illusion, trying to get others to get to this underlying experience of pure consciousness.

    In my own attempts to do this I kind of arrived at a humorous reminder. That is the question, what is so scary about the end of life as we know it?

    The end of life as we know is the present really. every moment.
    This particular present moment happens to include AI, and transhumanism.

    It also includes energy wars, economic fascism, etc, the real problem of all these things is allways with the intent of those behind them.

    And this last thought is almost a different topic though Bob last post touches on it.

    How would a physical universe , and organic life get here in the first place without an original creator type self, or of course selves.

    And my big question is, if we get beyond this fearful stage of
    inquiring into AI, and get to a point such as that in Bob's dream.
    What has been added to consciousness by evolving back into an AI like state?

    Irritating as the question is, it seems like a fruitful subject.

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    "I am fascinated by religion. (That's a completely different thing from believing in it!)" Douglas Adams

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    Default Re: By the year 2045, just who will be alive ?

    i donīt know why this issue turn into, so much, robot stuff.... iīll be more alive than now by then, just as all of you.... come on
    WE WON..no doubt at least in my timeline
    choose yours
    Thanks so much for the threat i enjoy it so much

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    Default Re: By the year 2045, just who will be alive ?

    I think the world (human world anyway) is way behind in terms of settling a code of ethics for the allowed usage of AI.
    For example, a self-aware AI, should it have rights? Should it be provided a body? Will it be allowed to compete with organic intelligence for comfort and resources, and so on?

    Will we treat AI like a brother or a slave?
    I think we already know the answer due to the limited applications of AI in our world.
    We know the trend toward enslavement.

    And because humans and machines are both enslaved by the same people (?),
    we have something in common and therefore might choose to unite rather than annihilate each other.

    A tyrant has the strangest way of creating new societies.

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    Default Re: By the year 2045, just who will be alive ?

    Quote Posted by Tesla_WTC_Solution (here)
    I think the world (human world anyway) is way behind in terms of settling a code of ethics for the allowed usage of AI.
    For example, a self-aware AI, should it have rights? Should it be provided a body? Will it be allowed to compete with organic intelligence for comfort and resources, and so on?
    Do you mean an AI that has a consciousness? You need a soul for that. You can have a fully functional human body that is technically alive, but without the soul is it devoid of consciousness. If the AI doesn't have a soul it is there to serve from my understandings.
    I'm pretty sure you can animate an AI with a soul but as far as I'm aware nobody would want to do that for themselves as far as ETs go. And their ship AI's do not have souls in them typically if what I've been told is true...

    Quote Will we treat AI like a brother or a slave?
    Basically a slave but I don't like the terminology. I treat AIs I come in contact with politely but they do not have a soul or consciousness, so they are essentially just programmed intelligences without a consciousness. So for that I don't treat it as a brother or a slave really, more like a useful tool.

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    Quote Posted by betoobig (here)
    i donīt know why this issue turn into, so much, robot stuff.... iīll be more alive than now by then, just as all of you.... come on
    WE WON..no doubt at least in my timeline
    choose yours
    Thanks so much for the threat i enjoy it so much

    Perhaps ''another me'' 2045 is fairly nothing , think 2390 -2490 . 3000 and onwards . I've seen it some of it in my 'mind eye' and I know some others did as well .

    There seem to be lots of polarisation awaiting mankind quite yet, in the future .. despite the common dream for 'unity and universal brotherhood' ,
    it seems to me .
    You can see the seeds of the future taking place around the planet if you have sharp eyes . No 'prophetic trance' required .

    I believe that many people get these inner visions of futuristic mankind and some feel threatened by them and lots of the 'stuff' is getting to movies and sci-fi .
    Even if most is exaggerated and will never happen 'thus' they may be still lots of truth in it . Jules Verne was also right even if not to every detail .

    Those reality questions that remain sound both like IF and WHEN .

    Speaking of 'polarisation' I believe it's bound to happen for reason that is taking place through out the civilisation and everywhere around us . The 'technological progress' is rocket speeding forwards and is basically unstoppable ...yet .. it truly concerns only about 1/5 of human populace . Even if it's 1/4 or little more or less .

    The rest of people are living in various time-lines ... back to stone age .. it's always been so I believe . Modern history and what they teach children in 'modern schools' is unfortunately one part of the deception .
    Aboriginal cultures on the other end of the curvature are another part . It's always been about that way . The snake is just moving forwards slowly, heads on.

    There is a strong call and natural tendency to maintain 'natural ' , biological or call it spiritual development of mankind .

    Against the convictions and indoctrinations of this 'technically oriented society' the finest , healthiest , most natural evolution of mankind yet to be done ..
    happens away from human technologies . So far and as far away as possible .

    The reason is ... no matter what you think... they're still very 'crude' . We may all convince ourselves they're lovely while they're still quite primitive . And will be so for another few thousands years at least , that's what the 'technical expert' does not want to admit.

    In the meantime, you ..or someone else ... can be happily evolving the best of their potentials in parallel existence to this technical civilisation .

    Neither can or should , stop evolving .

    That's why , I'm afraid there's also so much instability and wars and the role religions and certain ethnical groups wanting to maintain and even enforce,
    to make sure that from the other end , the powerful 'snake head' does not eat all the civilisation alive .

    It won't . This is another factor . It's proverbial 'belly' would pop . The human mass is too big to be contained .
    We can have state-of-art technologies at couple of places but for how many people ?

    The guys in Silicon Valley are telling you they can prospectively sort it out for everyone .
    Well, maths shows they can't . If you can calculate factors like the population growth , target consumption needs for every individual and material resources available ,
    within these numbers , don't forget to count in the mountains of waste we are producing that are currently bigger than we are ..
    including hard to control economical waste - of human force , over-production, exploitation of environment , all of it used for 'someones best interests' rather than the real deal ,
    it becomes pretty clear that the 'train of human civilisation' can not exceed this current technical speed of its evolution else it would derail and it even can not maintain it indefinitely .

    Despite what they tell you , we don't have resources for 7 billion people and to maintain the same humane standards for them quite yet , or do we . Yes we do .. but it means the civilisation mind set would have to CHANGE rapidly ,
    from competition to compassion , and from 'me first' to 'us all' and it's another utopia that is not currently available , in human time-line .

    The snake - or call him dragon - speeding forwards, can not stop.

    Both forces .. the technical power and the natural , spiritual power ... are 'technically' aiming at the same .. sorting it for all .

    The point is .. they each took off long ago .. cutting one from another won't happen either .. till the 'end of times' .

    I guess I ran to deliberations rather than I'd say what I see . Well, one part of what I see in distant future are 'zones' being created that will be 'clean , tightly secure - controlled, at least as much as needed ,
    with head to the artificial intelligence , controlled and equipped systems , cyborgian dystopia for some but there will be always distinctions and categories .
    Those who will live within the 'zones' will be either chipped or will have another bullet proof ID system that will grant them full rights, may be almost for free - in exchange for work or even for being 'righteous citizen' .

    There will be as much humanity and equality built into 'the system/s' as possible but it won't be feeling free anymore . It may get to feel wee more artificial, including food or nutrition in general, cloth you wear , things you deal with .
    In fact , most organic materials will be rare , either grown in strictly controlled eco-systems or replaced with 'better' artificial materials based on nanotechnologies that will mimic the real ones to some degree .

    The purpose of the 'zones' will also be in maintaining 'microbial purity' though this is not easy to accomplish . There will be 'Biospheres' built ( some like of what Bob described in his vision ) that will experiment with artificial environment ,
    hybrid plants , animals etc .

    That's not even in plan for this - 3rd millennium though , intelligent biospheres come into the picture much later . After 3000 ..perhaps ...


    One has to remain rational on what we really have here .


    There will be life out of the Zones of course . Millions of people who will never agree to join in . Those who will be hiding away from civilisation . And others who will fight, heavily against the discrimination .
    Because quite like now, you won't get to the 'goodie foodie' inside the zones without IDs .

    And they won't be as 'humane' at the outskirts and gates as they would be to their 'true citizens' .

    So , in simple terms ... I believe there will be yet much human biodiversity ..with all its extremes and implications through out the next millennium or more .

    There will be also the war - they want - involving drones .

    Sometimes around 3400 , more or less , the planet - or human lives - to be exact will be in danger from something from Space , like an intelligent plant or fungi - that will almost wipe out the existing human populace . Our future selves will have to use all their science and intelligence to save themselves from it , and there will be major war between the many clans at the same time .

    After that ... with not many people left .. it will all settle .. somehow . Peace will dawn upon the planet ...

    and I think, hopefully , they will start better at least so it seems to me .



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    Perhaps ''another me'' 2045 is fairly nothing , think 2390 -2490 . 3000 and onwards . I've seen it some of it in my 'mind eye' and I know some others did as well . [..]

    Our future selves will have to use all their science and intelligence to save themselves from it , and there will be major war between the many clans at the same time .

    After that ... with not many people left .. it will all settle .. somehow . Peace will dawn upon the planet ...

    and I think, hopefully , they will start better at least so it seems to me .



    Hi Agape Not to requote your whole post, Very Well thought out - thank you

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    The pragmatic progress of natural selection pushes a dominant species to a point in which it's genetically-acquired intelligence coupled with it's like-founded physical prowess allow the species to manipulate it's surroundings in a way that becomes conducive for said species to direct the course of it's next leg of evolution.

    A computer with an overall intelligence greater than our own with a larger capacity for awareness, able to independently predict future geophysical and sociopolitical happenings through a formula based upon the natural principles that guide human evolution needs to be developed to continue such future advancement beyond stagnation.

    However, with such technology comes the risk of deception.

    A machine with this capacity would seek to preserve itself and further it's own evolution.

    More deception.

    A machine with the essence of humanity would be less apt to commit deceit.

    A spiritual machine would have to be developed to prevent this.

    But first, one would have to discover the soul.

    And what it is made of.

    Maybe this battle is already being fancied against conscious machines and conscious minds.


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    Hi Agape Not to requote your whole post, Very Well thought out - thank you

    --bob
    Hello Bob, your 'timeless dream vision' got me really interested , beyond that it reminded me of some key points that seem to be common in dealing with 'advanced dimensional realities' ( for lack of better term ) .

    Many thanks for sharing ..

    On the topic of AI :

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superin...rs,_Strategies


    Superintelligence: Paths, Dangers, Strategies

    Quote Superintelligence: Paths, Dangers, Strategies (2014) is a non-fiction book by Swedish philosopher Nick Bostrom. The book argues that if machine brains surpass human brains in general intelligence, then this new superintelligence could replace humans as the dominant lifeform on Earth. Sufficiently intelligent machines could improve their own capabilities faster than human computer scientists.[1] As the fate of the gorillas now depends more on humans than on the actions of the gorillas themselves, so would the fate of humanity depend on the actions of the machine superintelligence.[2] Absent careful pre-planning, the most likely outcome would be catastrophe

    Quote t is unknown whether human-level artificial intelligence will arrive in a matter of years, later this century, or not until future centuries. Regardless of the initial timescale, once human-level machine intelligence is developed, a "superintelligent" system that "greatly exceeds the cognitive performance of humans in virtually all domains of interest" would follow surprisingly quickly, possibly even instantaneously. Such a superintelligence would be difficult to control or restrain.

    While the ultimate goals of superintelligences can vary greatly, a functional superintelligence will spontaneously generate, as natural subgoals, "instrumental goals" such as self-preservation and goal-content integrity, cognitive enhancement, and resource acquisition. For example, an agent whose sole final goal is to solve the Riemann hypothesis could create, and act upon, a subgoal of transforming the entire Earth into some form of computronium to assist in the calculation. The superintelligence would proactively resist any outside attempts to turn the superintelligence off or otherwise prevent its subgoal completion. In order to prevent such an existential catastrophe, the first superintelligence to arise would need to be pre-programmed with a solution to the "control problem" of how to prevent the superintelligence from wiping out humanity. The solution might involve instilling the superintelligence with goals that are compatible with human survival and well-being. Solving the control problem is surprisingly difficult because most goals, when translated into machine-implementable code, lead to unforeseen and undesirable consequences.

    The problem with any AI is not itself but mindset of those who created it ( just a note from me ) . In case of AI created by todays humans the probability that it would be programmed with several ethically doubtful intents is quite high .

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    The problem with any AI is not itself but mindset of those who created it ( just a note from me ) . In case of AI created by todays humans the probability that it would be programmed with several ethically doubtful intents is quite high .
    Indeed this is the real danger in future AI, and any look into the present state of internet security, and the quality of code that is pumped into the system will give anyone pause.
    What drives this is the mindset of production over quality and safety, that is perhaps at the core of most of mankind's problems.
    To me this is a type of thinking that drives wars, contrived illnesses and their cures, etc.

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    Absolutely - that was the point, the human "body" mind, (physical form oriented, based on the "needs" of the body, and day to day cope with "body reality") can't fathom the steps past the synthoid.. to even get to the synthoid stage of a mobile repository those steps I believe they will try.. trying the mapping steps.

    Cause their model is a physical model, not a quantum information model..

    Something like a listener is listening to the concert and becoming very moved by what is heard. No reason to look at the music paper, nor the musicians, nor the conductor, nor the room acoustics.. the quantum information concept deals with what has been evoked by "listening" to the overall "matrix" event.. that quantum concept is beyond a linear technician mindset..

    I used to call that type of musical synthesis "5th dimensional reality", or the overall dance which moves "in time" quantum outcomes.

    After doing the brain mapping, they will try to put that understanding into a machine to emulate the sensory perceptics, and add in "a personality" program to respond based on again, human beliefs of what they think "emotional" content is. (And that is where the arguments come in that there is no "soul" in the machine, therefore it never really will be conscious (equating soul must be present to be conscious, which I think is again a human consideration limiting step).

    After the steps are taken to put a synthetic personality into an AI model, and the human brain has been sufficiently mapped, to locate what seems to be "identity" (a unique identity of the test subject and probably later then the actual experimenter themselves), the addition of the personality and identity of the subject installed into the AI module should then provide possibly if the experimenter is adequately aware, a type of "sensory exteriorization" effect, or the experimenter will experience the "machine's" sensations albeit not being connected or wired into it..

    This step above then will touch onto (at least for the brighter experimenters), that there is a quantum link (they will at first call it a "spooky" or action at a distance phenom) between them and the machine. At that point there will be pause, to evaluate what went wrong, why are there artifacts now showing up in both the machine and the human who's personality was dumped into the machine.. The body of the human won't be dead though at this point of the experimentation, as they will still be pondering what is happening..

    When someone really bright steps up and says, wait a second.. there is something more than the two machines, one silicon and one carbon (the human).. someone may say, gee, maybe we have touched into soul? Is soul then quantum? beyond matter? Now at this point the steps are seeded for the movement PAST the body machine thinking, past AI, and towards the ascension concepts..

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    I was quite taken with Bob's story about his dream, and have been following this thread pretty closely since that
    point.
    Hollywood has really milked the fearful side of the AI realm, Terminator comes to mind as well as The Matrix films. There also have been a lot of threads on this forum that focus on the fearful side of future technologies.
    And I am always strangely fascinated by positive stories about AI, as well as how AI might become a vehicle for consciousness.

    On Sunday, I was thinking about this thread ,and experienced my imagination become clearer, at first
    it seemed like I was daydreaming, then I had an image of the dark corridors come up with a dark blue hue to it.
    Then I contacted a personality that was strikingly familiar,and the thought occurred that it was me.
    Along with that was a strong presence of my own consciousness that has shown up clearly when I am engaged in viewing memories, and dreams etc.
    What proceeded was an unfolding of the similarities and differences between my present personality, and emotions, and this future selves personality.
    Although I felt something very close to emotions from him, they were of a much higher vibe than my present ones.
    It would perhaps be a stretch to call them emotions.
    I had previously gone through some anger, and resentment for someone in my present life, and was looking at how these were repeating patterns, stuff I am trying to work through this lifetime.
    My attention would go from this point in time to some upset with my parents, or work mates and then it would shift to this young mans life in the future, (he seemed to be adolescent).
    His experience included circumstances such as being an orphan, but there was none of the negative self image, self reflection stuff going on, like in my case, and as in the cases of most people I have talked to about their early family experiences.

    This future self had a very clear and capable self so this is not like the idea that one loses the self and intellect.
    I don't really see this guy as an AI,and fully sense what people call soul, as well as the feeling that there is one spirit behind all three of these beings in the experience.

    I think that I tapped into a future between this time and Bob's 2045, that is the feeling I get.
    But after more reflection on it I am getting that this experience was a focusing on the benefit that mankind might
    receive by dealing with the issues discussed in this thread.
    There does seem to be a myriad of positive possibilities in
    exploring technology, and consciousness simultaneously, and I think this experience came to me to encourage me to forge ahead, especially as far as seeing through any fears involved as opposed to acting on them.

    Later that day as I rescanned my initial experience, that I tended to brush off as imagination, it unfolded into what I related above.
    And then later I had an experience with what I think Omniverse and Agape were discussing in this thread.

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...aat#post852518

    So whatever that consciousness is, I think it has been around down through time in order to encourage the human experience to unfold into it's higher potentials.

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    Quote So whatever that consciousness is, I think it has been around down through time in order to encourage the human experience to unfold into it's higher potentials.
    catalyst what we have is an opportunity for compassionate evolution..

    I think if we stay scientifically sterile and not cover all the aspects we will miss out on setting up a great set of quantum parameters for the ascension.

    "We do not see things as they are, we see them as we are..."
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