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A Look Into The Widespread Use of Microwave Radiation With Former Royal Navy Microwave Weapons Expert Barrie Trower - Wifi, Microwaves & the Consequences to our Health

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BARRIE TROWER INTERVIEW - JULY 2 2014

John B Wells:It isn’t everyday that one gets to speak with a microwave weapons expert. In fact, I had no idea that such a thing existed, although I should’ve thought so. But in any case, I happened upon Mr. Barrie Trower as I was trawling on the internet about WIFI and the effects on human health. And after an hour, or so, I came upon a video that had Mr Trower on it.

He is a former Royal Navy Microwave Weapons Expert & former Cold War Captured Spy De-briefer for the U.K. Intelligence Services. Mr. Trower is a conscionable whistleblower who lectures around the world on the hidden dangers from microwave weapons & everyday microwave technology, such as mobile phones & wi-fi. He also has repeatedly assisted the U.K. Police Federation in their struggle to protect police officers from TETRA Air-Band Radio Communications Systems that are harmful to health.

And so, we welcome onto the Bridge & welcome to Caravan to Midnight Mr. Barrie Trower, delighted to have you with us, sir. Thank you very much for joining us.

Barrie Trower: Its my pleasure, sir, thank you.

John B Wells: How does one become a microwave weapons expert? Did you just join the navy & thought “Ah, I’ll do this!”?

Barrie Trower: It was 1959, and jobs were very, very few & far between. And I always had an interest in anything to do with electronics. And, I went on to the World Navy recruiting office, and said, “I want a really good job. What can I do?” And we had a discussion. And he said, “If you study for your entrance examination into the new microwave radar systems, and all other aspects of microwave warfare,” he said, “and you pass, that will be a very interesting job.” And, that’s how it started.

John B Wells: So, just for a couple fellows sitting around talking—what’s it like to be in the venerable Royal Navy? That must be quite a thrill just to be a part of an organization like that.

Barrie Trower: The Royal Navy is incredibly exciting, sir. And, we went a lot for the American Navy. I mean, I studied microwaves & I was involved in microwave warfare, but I was also an underwater diver, and I also qualified for the medical branch.

So, with the armed forces, whether it’s the United States or the United Kingdom, the ability to learn is never held back from you. If there is a course you wish to go on, and it interests you, they will pay you to go on it. The teaching is excellent. And it’s a very, very exciting & fulfilling life, sir. And I still look back on it today with fondness.

John B Wells: I bet you do. I remember hearing a story about how you had brought a mine up to the surface. And one of your fellows said, “Put that back!” And, if I remember the story correctly, it was that, “Look, they can set the thing off remotely, and they can even put a microwave signal into your head & cause you to make a mistake.” So…

Barrie Trower: Absolutely, yes sir. I was giving evidence in a United States court. It was one of the questions I was asked by your lawyer. And I was very new to bomb disposal. And I was sort of in the sea with this rather complicated looking mine. And I thought it would be much easier to sort out on the surface. And I took it to the surface & the officer looked down in horror as I sort of broke the water with this mine. And he uttered a few choice words that you can’t mention on the radio, and said, “Get back down there!” He said, “If they’re beaming microwaves at the bomb, as soon as you take the metal plate off, the microwaves can go inside & trigger an electromagnetic cell that would blow us up. Or, they could aim the microwaves at your head & cause you to make a mistake.

And, that really interested me from that moment, as to why microwaves could make you make a mistake. But you are absolutely correct, sir, it’s a very, very true story.

John B Wells: Well then, there’s probably a lot that you cannot tell us. But, apart from radar, what is microwave weaponry? And, how is it used? I take it, that its been used for a long time & we’re just now, sort of, getting wise to its existence.

Barrie Trower: Well actually, the story—and you’ll have to edit this down—the story actually goes back to the year 64 B.C., where a very well known scientist by the name of Ptolemy, and his work is still used today. He found out that—and it started off as a party game—if he took a wooden flat wheel & drill holes through it, and he held the wheel up to the Sun & then spun the wheel at different speeds, the flushing going into people’s eyes could cause fits, that we now know as epileptic fits, or they could make you drowsy, or they could cause other behavior, or symptoms. And then he wondered whether any other body that caused the emission of radiation would go through the holes & cause the same effect. So, he would heat up different objects, different materials, and as a scientific experiment, spin the wheel at different speeds, different size holes. And he recorded quite a few of the pulse frequencies which would cause behavioral disturbance—neurological behavioral symptoms.

Ptolemy

Moving on 2-1/2 thousand years, when microwave radar came out during the 2nd world war & pulses were added to the radar, it was discovered that these pulses, (and we now had the table of what pulses could be used), pulses could be used to cause cancer, they could be used to disrupt heart’s rhythmic movement. Basically, the cyclotronic & the circadian resonant frequencies of the body — which means, really, 4-1/2 thousand things in the body can be disrupted by different pulse frequencies. And during the cold war, of which I was involved, spies worked out that microwaves were, as they are today, undetectable. So, you could beam microwaves at people to cause miscarriages, breast cancers, brain tumors, behavior problems—all sorts of behavioral problems. And then, it was a new weapon which was totally undetectable, and you could never be blamed for it. It started off with the Russians beaming the American Embassy across the Red Square in Moscow. And, they found they could cause the American embassy staff to have tumors & behavioral problems. And, it quickly grew from there.

When I was debriefing captured spies, I drew up a list, I think of about 60 pulse frequencies & relevant symptoms that you could develop, both neurological & physiological. The list today exceeds 600. So, it is very widely used & very known method of cold war stealth warfare to make people ill that you don’t like.

John B Wells: And I suppose that it can be narrowly focused, or beamed broadly across an entire city if they wish?

Barrie Trower: Oh, absolutely correct, sir. You can beam a single part of a single person, or you can, with these huge microwave transmitter - 48 microwave transmitting stations. You can bounce microwaves off of the ionosphere down & you could cover a street, a town, a city, you could even cover virtually a whole country, if you wish.

John B Wells: Mr Trower, when you speak behavioral problems, are we talking about abject insanity, or mild irritability, or anything within that spectrum?

Barrie Trower: If I may… I will just rattle off a few chemicals in the brain & explain what they are. For instance, if you effect Anandamide, Enkephalin, Orexin, the balance between the Ventral Pallidum & the Frontal Cortex, the Frontal Cortex & the Amygdala. Now, there’s just five.

Now, that would induce the same symptoms as morphine, marijuana, hunger—and I’m not talking ‘Oh, I feel like a sandwich’ hungry, we’re talking ‘I am going to steal for something to eat’.

John B Wells: Ah…

Barrie Trower: … total hopelessness, where, really, the only solution you are looking for is suicide, and severe neuropathical aggression. Now, those to be… and I lectured on this just a few weeks ago at the Institute of Nueroscience in Germany… those only require an electric current of 2milliamps to be induced into the brain. It is possible with an ordinary cell phone, under ordinary household conditions, if you reflective surfaces & mirrors, or if you’re vehicle or train or a bus, it is possible to generate, without much effort, 34milliamps of current—17 times the amount known to produce these chemicals.

Now, it doesn’t mean you’re going to get 17 times the amount, because the body couldn’t do that. But it does mean that it is possible to produce one or a few of them – and those are just five of the neurological symptoms that can & are known to be produced & published – published by your government… published effects which can be caused by – if I can use the word ‘ignorance’, of the communications industry & everyone that produces all of these little boxes & what you call ‘apps’ without checking the pulsory princes(sp?) that they are sending out.

John B Wells: Isn’t that something. You know, as a child—well, not a complete child, but 13-14 years old, I would occasionally run into persons who had worked in a police station or fire station, but particularly a police station. And, if they were in the radio room, actually their job was to dispatch police cars, and they were 20-25 year veterans. Many of them developed, in fact, virtually all the ones that I knew in those days developed this thing called lateral sclerosis. And their complexions were quite bad after continual exposure to just radio, transmitting & so forth. The whites of their eyes would take on this sort of this T-dyed color & were very glazed. And I just sensed that there was some correlation between their job & the state of their health.

Barrie Trower: There always has been, sir. And its been documented. And I think one of the saddest effects of this is that Special Forces, and I’ve been involved with your Special Force & ours, and I know in Canada & in other countries, Special Forces who use different frequencies.

It is not unknown for people who use communication instruments continually on some exercise, to come back & have severe aggressive violence. Whereby its not unknown for them to go home & murder their spouse or one of their children, or cause some similar effect. And, its not unknown. And I know more than one service person, now, who is in jail for life, for coming back & doing this.

Whereas, its probably not their fault, but the military won’t acknowledge this, and they won’t accept evidence in court that they themselves wrote. And I know in three countries, now, we have gentleman serving life sentences for uncharacteristic behavior, whereas within an hour you could probably prove their innocence.

John B Wells: You know, it makes me wonder, now. This is beginning to make a lot more sense. I have noticed that people, just in the general public, are not as patient as they once were. And one could say, “Well, its all this various stimuli, signs & lights & traffic & increased congestion & such, and all that. But there seems to be a propensity for much more of a violent reaction than any given situation really would call for. And I wonder if the behavior of our society, here in the States, this civilization, or what’s left of it, as I like to say… this attitude might be caused by all this microwave in the air. And I think I’m beginning to get the answer to it.

Barrie Trower: You’re absolutely correct, sir. And if you look at the military documents that I have released under the Freedom of Information from the 50s. If you look at the military documents, one of the first symptoms, it’s the second major symptom, the first is suicidal tendencies. The major symptoms from my own microwave exposure is aggression—aggressive behavior.

And its been published in our British Medical Journal, here, that a school child using an ordinary cell phone for 2 minutes—just two minutes—their brains are entrained for up to 2 hours afterwards. Which means their behavior is not going to be normal for 2 hours. Now that’s just for two minutes!

And, it doesn’t go away there… Because you have what’s known as ‘Long-Term Potentiation’. So, if you make a call, then another call, and maybe a 5 or 10 minute call, the effects accumulate, but they get much longer. And Long-Term Potentiation has been known to last up to 6 weeks. So, any child who uses a cell phone, their behavior cannot possibly be normal for minutes and hours afterwards.

And this can show in aggression. And it depends, now, on what particular pulse frequencies are being used by that manufacturer. And they can use several of them. For instance, it is published & known that 6.6 pulses per second, which is not an uncommon one, can produce sexual aggression. And I don’t mean—no sexual aggression is pleasant. I am talking ‘severe’ sexual aggression.

So, there’s a whole array of different frequencies that come under the ‘bad behavior’ spectrum. And this is my argument is that the manufacturers do not consult people like me when they say “Can we use this? Is it safe?” They just go ahead & use it on the presumption that all microwaves are safe. And, in fact, they are not safe. And there is no safety level of microwave irradiation for a child anywhere in the world that is published. And that is known.

John B Wells: You know, I have stopped using my cell phone as much as I use to. Of course, it was a great toy for a while. And my assistant & I use to… when the ‘big one’ that looked like… that was 12 inches by 6, & 3 inches thick, with a hand-set that rested on it, we’d set on the middle of the seat. And whenever I would hit the ‘send’ button, we would… by way of a little bit of humor… we’d both lean away from it, sort of like. I said, “You know, I understand that the burst transmission is more severe than once the call is connected. So, I’d like to stay away from that antennae”. So, we would make a joke of it, and we’d lean away from the thing for whenever I would hit ‘send’. Turns out to be that that’s true, you probably should lean away from it, especially those crude devices. But as time when on the giant Motorola, the first ones, was just this great big thing – looks like a military walky-talky almost. It’s huge. I was on that thing all the time.

Well, about 20 years later, I happened have to have a CT scan, following a little incident involving a motorcycle & my departure from the seat, going tumbling down the freeway, and they observed that one of the lobes on the left side of my head was just a little bit larger than the other one. And I thought “That’s probably some swelling caused by the use of the mobile phone over all these years.”

Would you say that’s a possibility? That’s my guess.

Barrie Trower: Oh absolutely, sir. To my knowledge now, there are twenty-eight legal judgments around the world, eight of them: high court showing that microwaves can affect cells to the point where they can induce… I mean, I can go through the whole cellular process, but its very lengthy. But, I mean, even now, the microwaves the children are using its categorized worldwide that it’s a class 2B carcinogen, anyway. Even the industry, and I’ve published in my paper, even the industry have said, in The Reflex Study —a huge ten year study. They said that the microwaves being used by children & everybody else can induce the cancer initiators & cancer promoters in the body to cause cancer.

And, even the military documents I have, which I just said were released under Freedom of Information, say that one of the symptoms from microwave irradiation is cancer. I mean, its never been denied. And its always been known. The problem we have is that too many people are making too much money, and each of them has too much power. So, the ordinary person like me cannot get anywhere near the people I need to get to, in order to warn the countries about this.

John B Wells: Well, I guess there are programs like this, and others that you’ve been on. I suppose this is only way to get the word out.

It seems that the old Biblical statement that the love of money is the root of all evil. We cover that frequently on this program & it appears to be true. I mean all the way back to the Nokia, I mean, they were the only ones that ever saw, or knew of, who included in their instruction manual, the directive to: do not keep this device against your body, maintain a minimum of 1 inch when you are carrying it.

You know, I don’t understand, Mr Trower, let’s go back to Entrainment just for a moment. Does entrainment, I suppose that means induced behavior patterns’ doesn’t it?

Barrie Trower: Absolutely correct, sir. Its easy to explain: Your body has its own resonant frequencies. As I said, both cyclotronic & circadian resonant frequencies. Everything in your body is vibrating. You can’t see it & you can’t feel it, but it is vibrating. And, if you put microwaves into your body, what happens is… and its easier described, I suppose, imagine that you are a child & you’re bouncing on a trampoline. In fact, anybody who gets on a trampoline, and you say to them ‘bounce’, they will actually bounce at a frequency that their body feels comfortable with. Now if, let’s say a 50-stone man, jumps on the same trampoline & starts bouncing at his frequency. You will have no choice but to bounce at his frequency. Because you don’t have the energy to fight it. So, your energy will tie in with his energy & you will bounce at his frequency. That is entrainment.

That is what goes on in the body every time microwaves go in & every time pulse frequencies go in. And you have around 4-1/2 thousand (4,500) different frequencies in the body. And anyone can be entrained. The brain in particular, because the brain communicates with itself, with its Alpha-Beta-Delta-Theta & other brainwaves. So, they are entrained by the microwaves.

Now, when the man jumps off of his trampoline, you will carryon bouncing at his rate – that is Long-Term Potentiation. And it will take you a while to get back into bouncing at your rate – that can last up to 6 weeks in an ordinary human being. But the problem is, if you are exposed to microwaves at varying intervals through the day, or through the night, then, in fact, you can never ever be normal, in terms of your pulse frequencies. Because you are continually being entrained. And this is the situation we are having now. And they are accumulative. You are getting more & more danger from the microwave irradiation to doing something permanent. Hence, they could effect Islets of Langerhans which could induce diabetes, they could effect the heart—and the heart is a very known organ to be effected by microwaves, because it uses a lot of its own frequencies.

The brain, without a shadow of a doubt, is effected. In fact, any cell can be effected. So, we have these problems, as I say, with all these pulse frequencies going on in the body.

John B Wells: It makes me wonder. Of course, one has to resist seeing a conspiracy behind absolutely everything... Lol — Every building, every car, every blade of grass, every tree, there’s a conspiracy there somewhere. But it makes me wonder if money really is the ultimate goal, here. I am wondering if… is it too much of a stretch… to suggest that the reason that these things continue, and more & more is deployed all the time — the wifi, the cell phones, the microwave internet transmissions — where you don’t have to use a cable or a fiber optic cable. You can just beam it all over the place, the banks have done it for years, 20 years, easily, sending their information by microwave.

I am wondering if this is causing a predictable behavioral shift in the population in the furtherance of a greater agenda. Is that too much of a stretch? Are there mad scientists that think about these things?

Barrie Trower: No, sir! If fact you’ve hit the nail right on the head. And that is, if I may say, sir, a most brilliant question. If I’m not showing-off, and I wish I were the person who were clever enough to think this up – what I am going to tell you... But, in fact, I wasn’t.

I have been the guest of royalty, and leaders of governments, leaders of peoples around the world, over the last 18 years. And, it was a particular king, I was having lunch with a king & the royal family. And he had a law degree from Cambridge University – an international law degree. And, he leaned forward on the table there, and he said, “I can tell you one thing, Barrie,” he said, “In around 50-60 years, I am going to lose the viability of my country.” And he said, “I’ll tell you how this is happening.” He said, “The microwave transmitters have moved in. I have lost my ants. I know ants may not be important to you, but here they climb all over our bushes. And they keep other insects landing on the bushes. They don’t eat the fruit of the bushes. They just lick the sap off of the leaves. But, we rely on these bushes for our vitamin C. Being in Africa, we cannot afford to import foods. So, all of a sudden, I’m losing my vitamin C, where I could run the risk of scurvy.” He said, “I am losing my bees, if you put transmitters in a field where there are bees, you lose your bees.” And, I’ve lectured on that in Glastonbury, and we know that. “I’m losing my birds, because the navigation systems are effected by microwaves. My crops are failing.”

All cellular structures, in fact, with no disrespect for your listeners, any tree can read our DNA sequence. Because the cells in a tree & the cells in us, when you get down to the atomic level, they are actually the same. A few organelles are different within the cells, but the DNA is basically the same. And any DNA can read any DNA. So, if you are going to effect humans, you’re going to effect crops, animals, people. And he said, “The problem which I can foresee now,” and he was an incredibly intelligent king, he said, “ I’m losing the viability of my country,” he said, “I’ve gotten to the point where I need aid. But the surprising thing is, Barrie,” he said, “the very countries who are putting up the transmitters, and we’re getting lots & lots of them, are the same countries that come in & they now offer the aid, but there is a price to pay for the aid. It’s a very generous aid package that I’m getting, but they want land. They want military bases put up in the country. They want immigration for their population into my country. So, all of sudden, I am losing the stability of my country through immigration, and everything else. But it is a slow process.” He said, “Its going to take 50 years, or so, but I am going to lose the viability of my country. And I’m paying the people who are coming in, offering me the aid, and are slowly taking over my country.”

So, you are absolutely correct there, sir. And I’ve visited several countries that are now experiencing the sickness of their cattle, the destruction of their crops, the loss of their bees, the sickness of their people. Now, whether this is deliberate, or by shear chance, I’m not clever enough to decide, I don’t understand the politics. But if you said to me, “Could it be deliberate?” I would say, “Well, if I wanted to take over another country, with the knowledge I have, I wouldn’t bother sending bombers & troops, I would just go in and set up microwave transmitters. And sit back & wait.”

You are absolutely correct there, sir. Whether it is intentional—biological warfare, or whether its by shear chance, I’m not clever enough to determine. But it is causing the downfall of countries. And it is certainly going to cause the downfall of the United States & other countries by another means, as well. May I go into that, sir?

John B Wells: Absolutely.

Barrie Trower: I wrote to your Homeland Security about this. And, I’m not selecting a certain population in preference over another, because I believe that most populations are good people. And, whatever country I’ve been to in the world, they all feel the same when it comes to miscarriages, stillbirth, death, genetically damaged children. The mothers still feel the guilt, they still carry the pain, they still cry the same tears. But what I said in each country, and I wrote to Homeland Security about this, on behalf of your women is that it is published & I published it in my latest paper. It is published by your government that if a pregnant girl is exposed to microwaves, she can expect a 60 percent chance of a miscarriage, stillbirth, or a genetically damaged child.

And as I said to the Institute of Neuroscience in Germany just a few weeks ago, and I’ve been invited to the Institute of Neuroscience in America, just to repeat this later, I’ve said, “If we turn the tables around, here. If you say to your lady listeners, all of them that are carrying ovarian eggs, and have the potential to give birth, if you use a cell phone or wifi, or any other device, what you are actually saying to your future children is, “I’m sorry, but I’m only offering a 60 percent chance of life. If you do have life, I can only offer you the same chance of not having a genetically disabling disease or illness.”

Now, the ramifications of that are really quite serious, not only for the mother who hasn’t been told this, because its been kept secret. But what it actually means for the population of the United States, hence my letter to your Homeland Security, it means in just 60 years, three(3) generations, you’re going to be down to 1/8 of your healthy children’s population. Whatever race you have there, and you have many races in the United States, they’re all going to be effected the same, all religions, all races. You are going to be down to 1/8 of your healthy child’s population. The mathematics is relatively simple.

Now, the thing that concerns me, sir, is that in various countries this is known only by the people who advise presidents, royalty & governments. And they are not advising. In the United States, there’s probably only 3 or 4 people that know this. And, what bothers me, sir, from the world that I come from, from the cold war spy era, and anybody, for whatever reason— be it greed, money, sexual preferences, whatever, political reasons—anybody who deliberately & knowingly causes the future destruction of their country, in my book is called a traitor.

And I wrote to your Homeland Security, sadly they didn’t reply, and I presented the proof, I have the proof, I have the documents that prove it. I said that there is somebody in the United States who has so much power that they will not answer to Congress. They have so much power, they will not answer to your Senate. They must be in a position to advise the White House. And, that person must be a traitor. Because, if I know it, they must know it. And they know it, they are not telling the president, because I cannot believe that the president would knowingly, whichever party they are in, nobody running a country would willingly jeopardize the security & the safety of their country. Because if you’re down to 1/8 of your children’s population, you are not going to have the armed forces, you are not going to have the taxes being paid, to run the country. You are going to be in the situation we were in at the end of the second World War, where we had nobody to run the buses, the trains, we had nothing & the only thing we could do is to import people from all over the world to come & work, to earn money, to pay the government, so we could actually run ourselves. And we owe our lives to the immigrants. And this is the situation you are going to be in.

And, if we take this back to your earlier question, sir—“Could it be deliberate?”
I don’t know, I’m not clever enough to understand the politics of how this works, but if it was deliberate, then it is a very successful scheme, because your are going to lose the viability, as the king said to me, of your country. And, unless, somebody like me, can be in touch who can physically speak to the President, or somebody important, then this message is not going to come across. Because, the person who is succeeding, very successfully in this—very successfully—is going to succeed much more. And for each day, you are going to lose the viability of the United States.

John B Wells: I wonder if anyone even makes… you know, the Chinese make 100 year plans, they make 50 year plans… they… I wonder if anyone… in the West, even makes a 60 year plan…

Barrie Trower: I have been around the world. I have met many important people. And, I have lunch with royalty. In this country, it has taken me, unsuccessfully, 4 years to try to get a 15 minute interview with our English Prime Minister. And none of my letters can get through. All of his letters are censored. There is somebody there who is stopping people like me getting through. I am banned. I have been banned for 4 years from meeting my member of Parliament.

I have tried writing to the Queen. No joy there. I’ve tried writing to your Homeland Security. The letter has obviously gone somewhere, but has not been acknowledged. We have people in a position of authority where people like me are being stopped. Had your Homeland Security written back and said, “I’m sorry, sir, I think you should be sectioned under the Mental Health Act, I would accept that & say, “Thank you very much for your opinion,” but nothing – you know, there is no acknowledgement.

The only thing that I can think of is that a gentleman such as yourself, with your radio program—maybe, this will go to an investigative reporter, or reporters, who are like the Washington Post—all the Presidents Men, who were relentless in the Watergate affair. Or, if someone is listening to this who has direct access—who can talk to the president, or somebody who can talk to the president. Maybe that will work.

But people like me are being blocked, and I can only think that whoever is causing this… and maybe intentional, it may be intentional from a foreign power to deliberately bring down the United States. I don’t know who these advisors are. But there are only 2 or 3 of them in the United States. And I really believe that they should be checked out. I really do.

John B Wells: Well, the road… what dangers would you lead me into. lol

Barrie Trower: Well, I mean, I’m not going to name them over the air… but I have been successful… not just me… because, they listen to me, and then they send for document, then they check & talk to other scientists. But, I have started the ball rolling, or helped the ball rolling, in 9 countries. It doesn’t sound much out of the 273 large countries there are. But 9 countries are now—they have reviewed the situation. They have found what I’ve said is correct & they have now made moves to secure their population, to secure the industry, to make that the level is going to be such that it does not effect their livestock, their crops. So, 9 countries have taken this seriously & are acting on it. I’m not going to mention them over the air, because I don’t have their permission to mention them. And I keep everything I say to these countries confidential, unless it is published.

I will mention one that had published their result & it came from the Supreme Courts, where I have presented evidence, along with other people, in Israel. And they have actually came out with a law which needs to be ratified. Nevertheless, it’s come out, now, as a law & its been published that school children will not have WI-FI in their classrooms. And they have varied it to absolutely no exposure to the little ones up to a minimum exposure to what I call the big children – the college students. But the Supreme Court has said that & they have made it public to protect their populations. And the Israeli Supreme Court on no falls.

John B Wells: Well, this is the danger that I would lead you into… well, figuratively speaking. I wonder… now, you know, some people embrace it, then some people reject it…. But sometimes I wonder, if these things… when you see this… what appears to be a mass psychosis among the leaders of the world, with a few exceptions, who seem to be the odd fellows & ladies out… It makes me wonder if it isn’t some sort of off-planet influence. As in the little ones that buzz around in various craft. Is that just absolutely too insane? I suppose I am still reeling from an interview with [Sgt.] Jim Penniston, who was out there at RAF Bentwaters (See the Berwyn Mountain UFO incident). And that thing landed there, and Colonel Halt (Deputy Base Commander Colonel Charles Halt) saw it, the base commander out there, and it changed his world (also see the Halt Memo), and I’m beginning to wonder… Well, I wonder if there is an external influence that’s making everyone stupid. And, turning us into the Eloi of the Time Machine—Well’s Time Machine.

Barrie Trower: If you’re saying to me: Is it possible to effect the brains of politicians? The answer is an unresounding ‘yes’. Because, I’ve been involved in one government, whereby the Prime Minister & politicians were actually being microwaved. I was called in because the person who discovered this, sadly committed suicide, which is disputed by the family—he committed suicide the day before his honeymoon. And the day after he discovered this, and I was contacted because they said could you understand the field that he was in? And you tell us what’s going on?

So, if you saying, can politicians be targeted to think differently? The answer is a resounding ‘yes’, because it has happened & can happen. Anybody can be targeted. And again, I think its something that is being kept back from the politicians. And the reason is, I think that if it is known to the general public how dangerous microwaves can be, for instance, they can be used against Olympic themes, and against Olympic athletes, they can be used politicians, they can be used against business executives.

So, there is an awful lot of powerful decisions, and lots of business monies that can be made by targeting certain people with who make various decisions, with certain amounts of knowledge that has gone on, it can go on, and is certainly going on. I’ll leave the extent of this, I don’t know, because they’re not telling me what they’re doing. But if you’re saying, “Can politicians be targeted?” The answer is ‘Yes’. And I know at least one royal who has died where microwaves were deliberately put near this royal’s bed chamber to feed into the bed chamber.

John B Wells: Wouldn’t it amazing… but maybe I’ve watched too much Torchwood, and programs like that… All the way back to Patrick McGoohan Prisoner series, which cause a huge uproar back in the late 60s. But, sometimes I wonder if these things have been deployed specifically altering the general consciousness of now, first, individual population, and now, the global population. So, I’m leading up to this question, which is: In your opinion, I know you’re not a sociologist, but its obvious you’re a thinking man, and an experienced one, what do you imagine… what percentage of a population would be required to change the direction of the whole population?

Barrie Trower: Again, a brilliant question, sir. And, I am a thinking man, and just in case your listeners are wondering, my first degree is nuclear & atomic physics. I studied the absorption of microwaves. My second degree was an honest degree. I wrote my dissertation on thinking processes. And I have a diploma in human physiology. So yes, I agree with you that I’m a thinking man... What percentage of the population… there is an imbalance, sir, and this is why I am desperately trying to, maybe… and if anyone tells me I’m mad… that is fine by me. What I am trying to do is prevent an invasion of one country, one superpower, by another, or one country by another. Because, if you have my knowledge, globe-trotting for 18 years, and I’ve spoken to many ministers in many countries, there is an even balance which is coming about. There are many countries now, who have either changed their minds, and I’ve told you there were 9, but there are other countries, that with foreknowledge, are not entering into this. They are stopping children using cell phones, or being exposed, they are protecting their crops & protecting their cattle.

And then, you have another, probably 2/3 of the world, who are taking absolutely no precautions, absolutely none. And the worst of these is the United States. I’ve read a report where the average teenager in the United States now sends around 3,000 texts a month. And that is a huge amount of irradiation to be absorbing.

So, you have about 2/3 of the heavy populated parts of the world just taking no precautions & about 1/3 who are not. Now, this is causing an imbalance. And, this cannot be denied because it is happening already. So, you have two-thirds of the world who are becoming sick, and you have a third of the world becoming stronger. It isn’t going to take very long before there is quite an imbalance. In the world, where many more countries are going to, as the king said, need aid. And if you think… and I can tell you now, and this has been published, and this is a minimum, your health bill in the United States is going to increase by 40 percent.

Now, when you start getting the illnesses & the sicknesses from microwave sickness, which has been diagnosed & published since 1932, you have vast waves of the world becoming sick, and vast waves of the world becoming much stronger, there is going to be an imbalance.

And it can only be a matter of time before somebody says, “Look how weak this country has become. Look how strong we have become”, and human nature is going to step in. As it is in some countries now saying, “Look at their resources, look what they have. We could do with all of that land. We could do with their water resources. We could do with their oil. We could do with their trees. We could do with that fertile land. Let’s move in.”

And, you can see that happening.

Now, to me, my concern is the individual. I’m not taking sides with one person or another, because as I said, I believe pain is universal. And I would like to stop all pain in every country. But I can see the greedy people of the planet saying, “It is time we move in there.” And it can be done by stealth. But there is going to be an imbalance. And that is what I think is going to happen, sir. And that is a brilliant question.

John B Wells: Mr Trower, would you mind if we just pause for a few minutes, get a glass of water, stretch our legs, and then resume? How about five & we’ll resume, yeah…

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PART2

John B Wells: Mr Trower, what an extraordinary pleasure it is to speak with you. Of course, it is written & repeated over & over again that there is nothing new under the Sun. But what if… I mean, I see this whole… at first microwave was employed in the most basic applications—the preparation of food, then communications, and then entertainment & information gathering, and all the while the hierarchy—the very upper levels of humanity’s authority had put into place all of the necessary technology to affect global governance. Through the use of these conveniences, they eliminated the segment of the population that could actually present any resistance to their agenda. And the ones who had be deprived of these so-called ‘technological advances’ became strong enough to become a slave-class to carry out the will of the very, very highest-up. That’s really not too much of a stretch—this unquenchable thirst for power & control among governments.

Out of one side of their mouths they say, “Ah, the Earth is in peril because of the population.” And, out of the other side of their mouths comes the, “We must feed all the hungry children in the world.” So, where is sanity in all this? Or, is it just a random—‘let’s just throw it all against the wall & see what sticks, we’ll just find out at the end what we’ve accomplished, because we have no idea where we’re going.

Is that humanity’s program?

Barrie Trower: I don’t think I’m clever enough to answer that, sir. I have a very simple reason for doing what I’m doing. If I may explain? If your listeners wish to laugh at what I say, that is absolutely fine by me.

I come down to what I think is a simple religious level. The way I see this, and why I keep going, and what I’m trying to stop… I can’t get into who’s taking over who’s country—that’s too complicated for me. I see this as… when your child is born, and your child grows, the first time you take your child over the road, you hold that child’s hand and you take it across the road safely. I see this—I have a very simple mind, sir—I see lots of little children lined up in heaven—just little angels lined up in heaven. And I see, whichever God you believe in, I see your God taking a child by the hand, bringing them across the threshold into a pregnant woman & saying, “There you are, enjoy your life.” That is how I see this.

Then, I see God saying to the child, as God brings the child across, I see God saying, “Due to the stupidity at the moment of the people on the planet, I can only give you a 40 percent chance of life, but I am putting you into the womb anyway.” That is how I see it. Or, if your taking your child by the hand across the road, you can say, “Well, I’m going to take you across the road, but in fact, you have a 60 percent chance of being killed, but we’re going anyway.” And, to me, this is the main important thing. I just see, in my mind I see all these little spirits lined up waiting to have a good & healthful & fulfilling life with fun & Christmases & tooth fairies & birthdays. But then I can see God saying, “Well, actually only 40 percent of you are going to make this.”

This is where I am coming from, and this is why I keep going. It may be incredibly stupid to anyone listening, but that is how I think, sir.

John B Wells: I don’t think that it would sound stupid to anyone. I really don’t, particularly, the viewers & the listeners to this program. They are really an extraordinary bunch of people, they really are. And this forum is for you to say whatever you want said, and anything you feel compelled to say. This is the place to say it. There are no political boundaries, there are no boundaries whatsoever, really. In fact, I even cross the line of civility every once & a while. In the end, I mean, I’ve said it many times, if it isn’t a battle between good & evil, then none of it makes any sense at all. It just doesn’t, its just a random mess.

It’s the same as it ever was—those who want to control & those who are to be controlled. And there are many methods of doing this.

Barrie Trower: There are ways out this. And its through gentlemen such as yourself, there are ways out of this. If I can appear on a radio or a television program, as has happened in countries, somebody—and it only takes one person. One person says, “I know how I can get him to talk to this person.” And that can work. And the next thing, because I work for free, I never ever charge, and then I find myself in that country, I’m talking to somebody, and then the ball starts rolling. But it can work, we can get there, and we can save people, but we need somebody listening to be able to take the next step.

John B Wells: Are you inclined to tell us which parts of the world are becoming the strongest among us?

Barrie Trower: I could do, sir, but I prefer not to because there are countries that are deliberately not exposing children to any form of microwave irradiation. There are countries that ban it. But what I don’t want to do is alert anybody in the industry, or anybody with selfish motives into that country to start driving people. They’re actually succeeding quietly on their own, and I really don’t want to draw attention to them.

John B Wells: Excellent. I’m completely on board with you on that. Let me ask you this then: What is the safest method, if one exists? Or, wireless communication… in other words, many people have decided they don’t want internet, they don’t want wifi, they don’t want cable TV, they don’t want mobile phones. They want none of it. And their lives go on, and they’re pretty much productive as they ever were. I am not sure that all these conveniences have made us… I mean, I was speaking with someone on the phone the other day, and said, “I email you the number.” And I said, “No, the internet has spoiled me to the point that I’m going to just get you to tell it to me now & I’ll write it down. I do not want to open my browser, open my email program, read the email, and then record the number. Just give it to me now!”

So, I got the number, lol, and got about five minutes out of that process. So I mean, is there a safe method of instantaneous communication, or is it all risky?

Barrie Trower: Yes, there is, sir. And there are safe methods that have been patented, but they won’t use them at the moment because it means less profit. And now, for instance, if you were to fit a form of telephone or fiber optic cable—high speed, broadband, whatever—in your schools, so they weren’t exposed to WIFI, and we’re talking teachers, as well as students, here—if you use fiber optic cable in the houses & not WIFI. There is a place for WIFI, but it is for emergencies, just emergencies.

There are certain levels of microwave irradiation which, although, are not safe, would probably cause much harm provided the transmitters were strategically placed. They are also developing… there is a microwave form of radiation whereby it does not offend the rhythmic vibrations of the body. And there is a Dr Hare from Imperial College that has certainly said that there are microwave waves which are quite compatible with the body. The problem is the industry would lose quite a lot of money installing these & making sure all these are being used.

But the other problem is, why people will not now admit, for instance, that WiFi can cause cancer, is that when, in this country, and its probably the same around the world, if you are a principal of a college, or a school, when you agree to have WiFi through every classroom, you also take on the legal liability for the exposure for children.

Now, the moment they say “Whoops! I’m sorry. I know I’ve exposed you for the last five years. And that could have given you this, this & this, but we’re going to change now,” you are now open for litigation.

Everybody who has ever been ill is going to sue you. Everyone that has ever had cancer is going to sue you. So now, there is this fear of litigation. And, what they tend to do is fall back on what is known as the ICNIRP Agreement—International Council for Non Ionizing Radiation Protection. They fall back on that and say ‘we are within those limits’, which is in fact a lie. But they fall back on that & they tend to succeed in that, because the general population has not read the particular document I’ve mentioned, and do not know that the small print at the back of it.

So, there are many reasons, now, why people are afraid to admit that they have been exposing their children, and pregnant women or anybody to these cancerous waves. You know, they do not want the lawsuits. And there are quite a few of them… and if you look at the New York Stock Exchange, by law they have to list class actions against any industry. And if you look at the class actions against the communication industry, by tens of thousands of people, now, who have brain tumors & other tumors who are taking class actions against the industry. It runs into pages upon pages. And you are not told that as a principal when you sign to take responsibility.

And this is how it is working. This is why it’s a question of all these individuals who are now afraid to admit that they’ve made a mistake.

John B Wells: Would you mind going into Smart Meters, where everyone was very upset about Smart Meters when they began to be deployed all over the country. And, I remember hearing a story that you told, it was about a doctor you knew & about a “cot death”, apparently two of them that had occurred some five years apart within the proximity of a Smart Meter.

Barrie Trower: Oh yes, sir. It was an ordinary microwave transmitter. A Smart Meter is really like a base station & a WiFi transmitter rolled into one. And, if you are in a block of flats, or condominium, where you have lots of apartments, where you have a few Smart Meters or several of them together, they are immensely dangerous. And I cannot, for-the-life-of-me, understand why they are being put on the walls of houses & buildings where you have children & pregnant women. I cannot believe that.

And the story, it was my own GP, my own General Practitioner. Because I was a lecturer, I lectured advanced physics, mathematics & physiology. And like all lecturers, towards the end of a very busy wintery term, I would suffer from laryngitis. And I went to my doctor, and croaked, “Can you do something with my voice to get me to the end of term?” And as I was leaving, he said, “Hang on Barrie,” he said, “you’re a physicist?” And I said, “Yes.” And he said, “You’re into nuclear & atomic?” And I said, “Yes.” And he said the strange thing, “I’ve had a cot death. Five years ago, I had a cot death. The baby was only a few weeks old. And there was much distress & the family moved out. And then another family moved in. And five years later, in exactly the same position where the cot was, I had another cot death almost at the same age.”

He said, “The only thing I can link these two is the transmitter on the other side of the brick wall. Could a transmitter cause a cot death in an infant?”

I said, “Well, can you let me look into it? And, he said, “Of course.” And it was many, many, many years later, I studied this, because it intrigued me, I studied this & actually wrote a paper on it. And I went back to the doctor years later & put the paper on his desk, and said, “There is your answer.” And, yes – transmitters, similar to Smart Meters, they can cause cot death, one by heating, because children don’t sweat, they don’t have our sweat glands, and they tend to be wrapped up. And all radiation—all radiation, actually, when it goes into the body causes heat.

And I calculated—a very crude calculation—I showed that within 16.8 weeks of a child being irradiated there would be a temperature rise enough—because when a child’s temperature gets to around 41-1/2 degrees, the hypothalamus shuts down, and it goes into a coma, because it simply overheats—certainly by 42 degrees it will overheat. And I showed that within 16.8 weeks, with the radiation, it was possible for a child to overheat Then the child goes into a coma & the child dies. Then the mother comes up to check the baby, the baby is dead, there are no symptoms. A postmortem would not show this. And it would be classed as a sudden infant death. But that could occur within, certainly, within a few months, if the baby were kept in the same place & was not allowed to cool off.

There is another mathematical paper that I presented to 16 university mathematicians, where I showed that the Vagus nerve, particularly in a child can be affected, and that can control the diaphragm & the breathing mechanism & that can be affected, and of course, the brain can be affected. And so the answer is: Can Smart Meters cause cot death? Without a shadow of a doubt. And, it is also published in military documents, that this can happen, as well.

But, yes, you are absolutely correct, sir. And, for the life of me, I will never understand why… and, again, the word, to me, ‘traitor’ comes back to my ‘cold war’ brain—that only somebody who is deliberately trying to bring down the destruction of a country would insist on Smart Meters going on the walls of every house.

John B Wells: Particularly, you get dozens in one group.

Barrie Trower: Oh, absolutely. And, I will guarantee, absolutely guarantee, as I did with TETRA [TErrestrial Trunked RAdio] – the airwave, which is used by the English police, that we have sold as ‘safe’ to about 130 countries, and we know it isn’t.

I can guarantee, and you can go to any block of flats, any building, where you have got Smart Meters on the wall, within 18 months I will guarantee you will have more cancers, sicknesses, childhood illnesses, cot deaths—I guarantee you will find them. As I guaranteed, if any of your police use the TETRA Airwave Police Communication System [pdf], which is not very different than this. I’ve said this as a challenge in every country I’ve been to—go to any police station, or fire brigade station that has got hundred people there, I guarantee that after a few years, you will have more police violence against their population. You will have more police cancers, particularly breast cancers & throat cancers of women, you will have more police sickness, and more police crashing their cars.

And, I’ve guaranteed it. And I’ve said in all of my lectures, in all of the countries, go to any police station & you prove me wrong. And to date, since it came out fourteen years ago in every country, I have shown to be correct. And the system, which is – it is a study—the actual TETRA Airwave System is epidemiological study, to study a particular 17.6 pulse frequency upon the brain to study its effect. And, the experiment is not due to close till 2018.

So, to sell it to the world, and we [U.K.] sold it to you [United States], as safe by the English government. I think the English government should be taken to court over this for lying to the rest of the world & causing these deaths.

John B Wells: Unbelievable. Just amazing. Let me ask you something before we get too far away from it. This is kind of jumping around a little bit. When people can be targeted by a… and we’ll get back to the general exposure of persons to microwave radiation… But when a person is targeted to have their behavior altered, or maybe to have their health damaged deliberately, how is this done? Do they just lock in on their mobile phone, and say, “Ah, he’s over there, go ahead & beam it that way.”

Barrie Trower: Oh no, sir. And, in fact, and I know I keep quoting this, but its free of charge on the internet, my latest paper. In my latest paper, which I was asked to produce by the world famous Irish Doctors Association. They specifically asked me to write it. I listed, I think about a dozen categories of people who are known to be targeted by governments. And, I’ve listed as many titles of secret programs by governments… And we’re not talking a few people, we’re talking sort of half a million for each program worldwide, over a 30-50 year program.

So, these are no small ‘let’s pick on a few people’. And, of the people that are deliberately targeted are service personnel—and that really sickens me—people who volunteered to give their life for their countries. Because their ages, their medical conditions are known & studied, their hours of work are studied—they are made into targets. Service personnel, pregnant women, children over the age of four, the poor, people in asylums, anybody is game, anybody. And they are chosen in the tens of thousands for particular reasons. And it could be, and I know this to be true because not only I have witnessed this – I haven’t done it myself, but I have witnessed it going on – but, countries have been taken to court over this & have lost. And the people have won.

And of the countries being taken to court, sadly to say, are the United States, Canada & England, we have all done this. We have been taken to court & lost. And the programs tend to be run by psychologists or psychiatrists. They pick on totally unsuspecting individuals. They can be microwaved by singly through the wall of their house, there are instruments now, where, not only by computer, can a beam of microwaves go to a particular organ, or the whole body. They can actually measure the response to the brain, they can measure the response to you hormones. They have to be within 150 feet for this specific test, but with infrared’s guidance, they can follow you onto the toilet, they can follow you into the bedroom, they can watch you in the bath, from parked vehicle outside.

It doesn’t necessarily mean if you’re being targeted in the United States that its somebody in the United States doing it. It is perfectly possible for a country to go from their country to another country to see this population responds to this form of targeting. It can be done by your own country. In England, and I witnessed this, our government experimented on 20,000 service personnel by giving them injections of all sorts of viral chemicals to see how long it took them to die. I mean its just horrendous. And the bottom line for this, is we have in this country government scientists, and I dare say other countries, although I can’t prove it, we have government scientists who work above & outside the law. They have total anonymity & total protection from the law.

And the way they go about this, and this is used by the English, the CIA, and the Canadians, and I know its been used, because seven cases have come up in my lifetime. They activate as soon as you latch onto this, and you decide to take them to court. They have what’s known, and its still running today, as an Active Denial Program. And the Active Denial Program really speaks for itself. And they delay, and delay, and delay. And if lawyers are good at one thing, it is making you wait.

The Active Denial Program will last for fifty years. And in my lifetime, I have known seven such denial programs come to court. There is one pending now in the United Kingdom being settled, where fifty years ago we experimented on the genitals of natives in Africa, for no other reason than we knew they couldn’t take us to court.

So, they is a fifty year Active now program which has been used by the CIA, the Canadians & us [Brits]. And after fifty years, the first reason they give for not attending court is everybody involved is dead. If that doesn’t wash, the next thing they say memories are impaired – what’s the point of having a court trial because its fifty years on. If that doesn’t wash & it actually gets to court, they come down & say, “This comes under the Official Secrets Act or State Security, we will not be in court. And to date, that is final – settle this out of court with whatever money you have. But we will not appear. It comes under the State Secrets Act.”

In all of my life, not a single government scientist has ever stood in the dock—not one.

John B Wells: And just to put a fine point on it, over how many years of this sort of activity – as no one appeared in the dock?

Barrie Trower: To my knowledge, its been going on for 50 years. To my knowledge there have been many, many programs. And, I’ve listed them in my latest WiFi paper. I listed them, there’s probably at least a dozen I’ve listed, and some of them are a half million people.

And not just that, some of them are communities where religions—Catholics, have been targeted, because they all live in [same] streets. Muslims have been targeted because they pray together three times a day. So, they are easy to target.

John B Wells: Ah…

Barrie Trower: It seems nobody is exempt… Children are targeted, pregnant women. Nobody seems free of this. And it is run by universities, it is sponsored by government funding, it is covered under Official Secrets, it is usually run by psychiatrists & psychologists. And a success is if you can get an ordinary person to visit a psychiatrist & be sectioned under the Mental Health Act, locked into a straitjacket & thrown into the padded cells. That is a success.

Death is immaterial. Life is immaterial. And this is the way it goes. And they do this because they know they are immune. And, to my knowledge, there are between 40 & 60 countries who have this technology. And, if your next question is: Can somebody be brainwashed to kill?

The answer is: very, very easily. I could do it very, very easily. I could have… and I have never done this… and, if I may say, when I was questioning spies—I never used pain, I never used humiliation, I never used drugs. It was over many, many years over a cup of tea. And the only thing they could possibly complain about would be if the tea wasn’t to their liking. I treated every lady & gentleman of this profession with all of the courtesy & all of the manners I would treat you if we were sitting opposite having dinner.

But, an ordinary average person could be broken-down, ready to be brainwashed, in 30 hours.

John B Wells: Thirty hours

Barrie Trower: Without pain, without drugs—thirty hours. I won’t say how, over the airways, because if anyone listening, and they think, “Hang-on, now I can get even with my mother-in-law. Thirty hours—a trained person can have ready to be brainwashed in 30 hours. And it is incredibly simple, to put voices into people’s heads, stimulate drugs into people’s brains—I mean, real voices into people’s heads. Where they really believe, you know, that somebody is talking to them—which could be a god, or a dead relative, or somebody else asking them to do something. It is incredibly simple. It must be simple because I could do it.

And I don’t have these psychology & psychiatry degrees. I don’t have the chemistry degrees, the biochemistry degrees that some of these people have from Harvard or M.I.T. Now, if I can do it, imagine someone from M.I.T.—the world’s leading universities. Imagine someone that is paid there for ten years to study this—what they can think up.

John B Wells: Yeah, they have nothing to do all day.

Barrie Trower: People can be programmed to kill. And, it is traceable, but it has to be… you can trace it… but it has to be done incredibly quickly afterwards. Other than that, all traces disappear & they [the victims] are locked away for life. And that is a success.

John B Wells: Let me ask you something: speaking of putting voices into peoples heads. Normally, when one’s ears ring, it’s a steady tone, seems to me somewhere around, I don’t know, maybe 10,000 cycles, I’m guessing.

Barrie Trower: It’s 20-20,000 that the human ear can pick up.

John B Wells: Ah… alright. Now, when one hears… when their ears are ringing, its generally a steady tone. If you find yourself hearing sort of a pulsing ringing in your ears, its unlike any ringing that you’re accustomed to. Instead of a steady, it sort of a—well, it’s a pulsing—steady pulsing. Does that suggest there is something wrong with your ears? Or, can one make a presumption that we’re being acted upon by variations in the microwaves that are hitting us?

Barrie Trower: Again, sir, that is a brilliant question. And its one I get asked occasionally. Now, it could be accidental. And, its known as synthetic telepathy. Microwaves will go into the ears. And, one of the first symptoms of synthetic telepathy, or some people call it tinnitus, it causes a vibration in the Cochlea in the ears, which send the electrical signals into the brain.

Cochlea

All radiation going into the body will generate electric currents. And it saves the mechanical vibration of sound waves, changing into electrical signals in the cochlea, and here, the electrical signals go straight in, and may effect cochlea directly.

That can cause buzzing, humming, and it is usually accompanied by a metallic taste, or a funny taste in the mouth, at the same time. That will go on in the brain, that can be deliberate, or it could be accidental. But it is not difficult. And, there is a patent out there, if fact, you’ve had legal case in the United States. And, I think this is rather naughty, myself.

It is now possible, and it is done, because a shop has been taken to court. For a shop to transmit sounds into your ears through microwaves. Now, let’s say you are walking into a shop, and it’s a busy shop. They can target your head only. They can put a microwave pulse to your ear. A computer will track you automatically. They can put a voice into your ear which triggers the Cochlea to respond to what would be ‘normal voices’. So, you could actually hear a voice in your ear saying, “Oh, my wife would really love this. I really must buy it for her.” And that not only can be done, it is done. It was patented as a device to prevent shoplifters.

So, if a shoplifter went into a shop, and started to steal some jewelry, or something, they could have a beam toward their ears that would say, “Your being watched, put that back, or we’ll come and arrest straight away.” And that worked, and they put it back. And, shoplifting stopped almost overnight in the stores that had this.

But then, it didn’t take more than somebody with two brain cells connected together, saying, “Hang-on, if we’re stopping somebody stealing something, if we change the voice, we can actually say ‘buy it.’” And so, people were encouraged to buy things. Its also used in fast-food places to hear voices that say, “My goodness, I would really love this double-triple-decker cheese, ham, beef, whatever, bacon burger, because I’m starving.” So, that can & does happen. And a leading department store was taken to court, because it was considered illegal to put messages, subliminally, into peoples’ brains.

But in fact, they won their case, because the government refused to come out & say microwaves can be dangerous. And, what they are transmitting is below what we consider to be a safe level. And so, the shop got away with it, and its spreading across shops now. It is not uncommon.

So, apart from the buzzing that you can hear, it’s now not uncommon to hear voices. And, they’ve taken that one stage further to threatening people, brainwashing people, it can be used for all sorts.

So, yes, it can be done, it is being done. And I’ve published the actually court documents that was used, where the shop was found ‘not guilty’. So, it can be done, it is being done, and it is now spreading through fast-food outlets, department stores, and anywhere where they want people to listen to things.

John B Wells: Oh, this is not good at all, not at all. I think this is horrible. It’s a nightmare, really. It really goes back to McGooan’s village, where… that’s what it was… it was a village for retired spies & he would never tell them why he resigned… Ah, that made them really nuts… and it was all about mind-control & putting thoughts into peoples heads & all of that. And that was 1968.

Barrie Trower: Yes, sir. It was used way before then. But, your right. I mean, I was involved with spies in the 60s

John B Wells: Where may we see your information? Are there some links we may have?

Barrie Trower: I have a paper. I’m afraid I only have a fountain pen & a bottle of ink. I’ve never progressed to a computer or anything electronic. But, I was doing a similar radio program to this, an international radio program which is in Ireland. And so many people rang up, they transmitted to about 95 countries. And so many people said, “Where can we get hold his paper,” he said, “Look to stop you phoning, I’ll put it on my website.” So, it’s on his website. And what I can do, I can give you his website, you can download it, and put it on your website.

John B Wells: Very good.

Barrie Trower: Now, its on www.oymradio.com, its Open Your Mind Radio dot com OYMRadio.com
And, now the title of the paper is: WiFi – A Thalidomide in the Making. Who Cares?

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John B Wells: WiFi – A Thalidomide in the Making. Who Cares?

Barrie Trower: Who Cares? Because WiFi in schools - its going to be another Thalidomide in terms of damaged children. And, without insulting your intelligence, sir, I wrote the paper to be read by the average 11 year-old, because I wanted school girls to be able to read it. Its not long, its only about 10 sides with about 9 sides of references. But its there, and if you put it on your websites, then other people can come to it.

And, it was published, sir. I was asked to write it by the Irish Doctors Association, because they’re worried about this. I presented it for its reading with one of your American professor of Washington University, Professor Martin Paul, because he wrote a similar paper. It was published in an international medical journal called Nexus, November edition, its on page 19. I presented it to the Institute of Neuroscience in Germany for Dr Dietrich Klinghardt, and he runs the American Institute of Neuroscience in Seattle, and has invited me to read it there, in Seattle. So, that’s quite a history, this paper, and its only been out a couple months.

John B Wells: Excellent. Now, I know you time is limited, but believe me, I would keep you, if I could, for the next several hours.

Barrie Trower: Can I make one suggestion, sir, but if you have lots & lots of people saying, “Why didn’t ask him this, why didn’t you ask him that,” I’ve always worked totally for free. I do not accept gifts. The Irish radio station, they had this problem & they asked me back to answer listeners questions, which took another two hours. And, if I may, before we finish, sir, if anyone is saying there, “How can we win? How can we get the better of all of these professors, so-called ‘experts’, so-called ‘people that blind us with science’? And, I put this in my paper, but if I may mention it on air—if anyone says, a principal, an expert, a professor, or anybody—if anyone says, “This is safe, or, this is within our safe limit”, ask them one question & one only. Don’t get involved with science, because you’ll probably lose. Ask one question: “What is the safe level of microwave irradiation for the first 100 days in the development of the human embryo? In other words, the baby in a pregnant mother? What is the safe level of microwaves coming in for the first 100 days of its development.”

They will then come back with, “Well, our committee has studied this." Or, "we have a committee that says that." All you want is a number. They will go around the houses, they will try to block. You stick to your question, and say, “Give me a safe level, as a number.” They won’t do it, they will refuse.

If they do give you a number, and I’ve put this in my paper as a suggestion, if they give you the number, say “Thank you very much. I am now going to send this to world’s foremost leading scientific journal that is incorruptible; it is American, it is incorruptible, and I’m going to have this number peer reviewed & with “is this safe for a pregnant woman in the first 100 days. I’m going to send that to them.” The magazine is ‘Nature, Nature Publications’. I’ve put the address in my paper.

Send it to Nature, they will come back & say, “There is no safe level for any child, let alone the first 100 days of the development of the embryo.” And why are the embryo is more vulnerable is because it does not have what is known as ‘Protein-53’, or the nuclear core complex in the cells. You have those & they will protect you to some extent against radiation. It won’t protect everybody, but it protects some people. In the embryo, they do not have this. They are absolutely protection-less against microwaves.

This is why we have, what is forecast by your top government experts, a 67 percent miscarriage or stillbirth for genetically damaged child rate. That is expected in two generations. And this is why I’m trying to stop it now, and get it taken out of schools.

But the question is there. Just ask them. And send it to Nature. And you will find that they are wrong. I could guarantee my life on it.

John B Wells: We will do. Let me ask you this before you hang up on us, because we have time, but I’m not sure that you do. The second-hand effect of cell phones, in I-Pads & tablets & all of this, its actually heightened in buildings, and I presume in automobiles, also? And does it make any difference if you take the battery out, or any of that?

Barrie Trower: No, sir. In many machines, now, and deliberately. And, in fact, I was horrified… I was invited to speak at a big financial center where they made world financial decisions. And this is relevant to American business professions. They were horrified when I said, “There are many cell phones, WiFi, any electrical equipment, now, that even if you take the battery out, they can still transmit. They have systems in them that will still transmit. And they can transmit back to the supplier of the particular industry for two reasons:

1. They sell the information they get to whoever will buy it.
2. It can be used for espionage.

So, even if you take the battery out, it is possible with the microwaves going in from external sources for it to be still programming for you. And, in fact not only that, but your cell phone can act as a relay for somebody else’s cell phone, as well. And now, in the big financial institutions, they take everybody’s cell phone off of them, whether the batteries are in or not, and they lock them in a safe. And they make sure that nobody… because if you can hear in a lawyers’ firm, or an industry, or a medical center, or a research center, if you can hear what people are saying, you know, after many years of research into their study, not only does it save you trillions of dollars during the research, but you got all the information straight-away free of charge. And these are deliberately built in for this one reason.

John B Wells: So, with this… You know, once upon a time, I heard a fellow who was involved in some very, very advanced research in the aeronautical industry. And he said, “Actually, if you are near any electrical device whatsoever, your conversation can be heard in crystal clarity from 200 nautical miles away. And I found this to be a little bit far-fetched. And then I thought, “Well, maybe not.”

I’m not sure if that’s false. He didn’t strike me as someone who would tell me this, and make it up.

Barrie Trower: I haven’t heard of… Now, if there is an electrical device near you… I mean, sound waves will only travel maybe a hundred meters. So, there would have to be an electrical device within that range. I mean, sound waves that most people put out, if they’re sitting in a café over a cup of coffee. If two women are chatting over a cup of coffee, sitting outside a café, you would probably hear them from about 10 feet away, a few meters away. Maybe with a microphone activated device, you would pick them up 20 meters away, something like that, given a soft-spoken voice. Two hundred miles, you would need a satellite, and you would need an electronic device near them to relay it to the satellite.

But it could be done via a satellite, if you had a cell phone in your bag, on the table, and off. I mean, they are used for that. And if you have a camera, that can be activated as well. And not only can they pickup your conversation, they can see who you’re talking to. And it is quoted… to give you a bottom extreme & a top extreme, it has been quoted in scientific journal, a world-leading scientific journal, that when women are talking, or they’re pushing buttons on their cell phones or their computers, everything is logged, everything. And the computers log-in. And, I have read that its possible to know the 28-day cycle of a female. And that is not only logged & studied by all & every female that pushes a button. Now, the reason behind this, they sell the information to pharmaceutical firms that may want to sell pharmaceutical products that the ladies may need at various stages of their cycle, be it pain-killers or any other pharmaceutical product. So that, when the next push a button, they then get the advertisements appear on the cell phone or computer.

Now, if they are studying the 28-day cycle of every female, what else are they studying for males & females? And, what else are the intelligence organizations picking up? And who is selling what to whom? I mean, its quite an interesting answer, there.

John B Wells: Well, that’s the question. The longer this conversation goes, the more interesting…

Barrie Trower: You’re absolutely right. Because, I grew up in the world of spies, and when I talk to children in schools, the one thing I say to them is: “spies are not James Bond. How spies work, and I know a lot about spies. And spies rely on blackmail. And if you think you’re the sort of people who does not have information that spies want, think again. If you are a college student, you are almost going to be at the top of their tree. But the people who are at the top of their tree are your janitors."

Because people who become cleaners, night cleaners in buildings - janitors, they have keys, and they work in empty buildings. And as I say to my students in colleges, the main weapon of a spy is blackmail. And what you are putting now on your computer to your boyfriend or your girlfriend, about drugs, about sex, anything that you would not want your parents to know, anything that you would not want published in the Sunday newspapers - that can be stored. And they can come back to you, as they do... and, this is how spies work - they will come back to you at a relevant time in your life. And, they can say, "You have two children, you are happily married, you have a mortgage, you have a job..." You may be a high fliers - a doctor - you may be sweeping floors, it doesn't make you any less of an individual, but you may be mopping floors... But they will come to you & say, "Fifteen-twenty years ago you did this. Now, when you applied for your job & you filled out your application form, you did not declare that you smoked this, you did not declare that you had under-age sex, you did not declare that you did, or said... or whatever it was. That means, your application form for your job was false. That means that you are now going to be sacked, because if you lied on that application form, what else have you lied about? How have you lied since? Now then, we can solve this. We want you to sign one piece of paper & we will never bother you again. What we want you to do... if you are a professional person, such as yourself, sir, we want you to sign a piece of paper saying you've known 'Mary Blogs' all of your life, she is good upstanding citizen... this is for a replacement birth certificate, this is for a passport."

And, what you're doing is giving identity to another spy coming into your country, so that person can now have a driver's license, an identity, a job, a national insurance card... whatever. You're authorizing an identity, and you are signing it. If you are a toilet cleaner, they will say, "We want you to stick your keys into this piece of putty, and tomorrow you will unlock a filing cabinet & you will take out the piece of information on this person. After that we will never bother you again. Otherwise, you lose your job."

And, from the spies I've spoken to... and I have spent eleven years talking to single spies, many of them, they have all said, that without exception, every person has done what they have asked - every person. And its how they operate. And they work on blackmail.

And I say my students, "Please do not put anything on the internet. Do not do 'selfies', what you call them - these photographs of your backside or of your breasts, or anything else. Or admit to anything to anybody else. Because you don't know who is keeping it, and you don't know they're going to do with it.
And this was a very important question you asked there, sir. Very important.

John B Wells: You know, England to be small country, geographically speaking, wields an enormously big stick. It really does, still. And there's a question that has been bothering me for years. And that is:
Why is England so heavily surveilled?

Barrie Trower: Corruption, sir. And, its actually been said on the news, here. If you are a member of our, you are 4 times more likely to end up in jail than any other person in the country. That is for starters.

We have, and I take no pride in saying this, we have the most corrupt government in the world.

John B Wells: I thought it was ours. lol

Barrie Trower: No, its, without a doubt, its ours. Now, during the cold war, while I was interrogating spies... That wasn't my main task, and I've put this in my paper, I was commissioned under Sir William Melvin, who started a program in 1911... and its published, I've published it in my paper... And, my main task during the cold war... and for people who didn't live through the cold, I can name two occasions when the United States was within less than 1 second of total global nuclear war. And it is only two people with an amazingly fast reaction that prevented two nuclear wars. That's how close we were.

But my main task was to seek out corrupt government officials, mainly pediophiles, or people who were hiring... and I will choose my words carefully... boys & girls who were just a day over the minimum age for sexual relations, who were the people would marry. Because, the government went on the presumption that if I could track them down, so could the KGB. And if the KGB could track them down, then these important people were open to blackmail.

And I was amazed at the level of corruption. These were the days of Burgess, Blunt, Philby, the Cambridge Spies... I was amazed at the level of corruption & it appeared to me - and this is a personal opinion - that the English establishment will do anything, provided they can have their Rolls Royce, the can be a member of the right country club, they can receive knighthood, they can their big house, they can have their big yacht. Their ambition is purely built on how much they can achieve. And will lie & cheat...

I mean look at the TETRA... From day one, now from day one it was known, and I have the government documents. And, I've written two TETRA... I've been commissioned twice to write two studies on the TETRA, and on the second one, using government figures in 2009 - was my highly confidential report on TETRA - then it was estimated, using government figures as a chief government scientist, that over 7,000 offices would have tumors by then, in England - 7,000 slow-growing tumors.

Now, we sold this - the English - we sold this to 130-140 countries as 'safe' & it isn't.

John B Wells: Yep.

Barrie Trower: And, I have also published... and its in my report & the first one is on the internet, and I've published the document, and it has been published worldwide, that the reason why we published this was because one of your secret service agencies... and, this was a Bush/Blair thing... and it was written that Bush didn't ask, he told Blair "get TETRA around the world".

John B Wells: Yeah.

Barrie Trower: And TETRA... we ignored all the cancers. We ignored the fact that it is an on-going epidemiological study which can cause cancer & severe neurological damage. We ignored all that. We sold it to the rest of the world. For the simple reason that, by law, the firm of TETRA is American, and by law, the American firm that makes this have to give the keys, which control the coding devices to your government. Which means, your government... and this is published... your government have the ability to listen in to everybody using TETRA in all of these countries. And in most of these countries, there are over 50 organizations using it - the secret services, the Royalty, the Police, the fire brigade, the Coast Guard - everybody. They are listening in to everything that everybody in the government are saying.

Now, I'm not saying they are listening in. I am saying they have the ability to listen in.

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12/19/2014

John B: Everybody’s saying that the sky is falling, the sky is falling… and, well I keep looking up there & its still there. But, how close is it to falling? Cuz we’re over $18 trillion in debt now & I just don’t see this ending well at all, one bit.

Jim Willie: Well, I think buildings are falling, and the platforms are falling & the walls are collapsing, and the U.S. & Western press prefers to say that Russia is weak, Russia is falling apart… and Putin has lost his p-zazz…

And its just the opposite – the dollar is dying, the petrodollar has collapsed – that’s why the dollar is rising – the petrodollar system, linking it to the crude oil price, has collapsed.

John B: Now, how did this happen, why do you say that, why do you say its collapsed, so we can understand.

Jim Willie: The Saudis are not our friends anymore. They’re not recycling all of their petro surpluses into treasury bonds. We [U.S.] stole their gold in the Swiss banks. That’s what the UBS controversy was all about. That’s what all the charges against Credit Swiss are all about. We’re trying to get Credit Swiss to lose to control of its own executive board, so the U.S. can come in & fold it under UBS & make it easier to steal the rest of the Arab gold.

We’ve lost the Arabs. They’re having monthly “love-fest” conferences in China. They’re arranging for giant commercial deals – petrochemical deals; structural construction deals; currency swap deals… the Chinese are now completely in partnership with the Saudis. Notice that in the last year the Brent Crude Oil price lost its premium, converged with the West Texas… that was your signal that the petrodollar was coming to an end. And now it is at an end. And the Russians & the Iranians & perhaps more other countries than they’d rather want to admit, are not taking dollars for their crude oil sales. This conflict with Russia is all about defending the dollar. And Russia is not weak.

I got news for people who read the silly rags coming out of New York, Washington [DC] & London – these propaganda ‘goobles rags’, that are claiming that Russia is weak, that Russia is almost broken, that Putin has lost his flare & doesn’t really have a solid grip on things. It’s the exact opposite.

The Russians are actually right now selling their oil & gas & immediately buying gold, while the U.S. puts out these Goldman Sach’s dribble articles that Russia’s probably going to sell its gold to rescue its ruble. No! China’s going to rescue it ruble & Russia is going to accumulate more gold!

Most of the syndicated news networks are full of rubbish. They’re talking about the U.S. recovery, the housing bounce-back, Russian weakness. Russian is about to “way-lay” the dollar. The whole Eastern hemisphere is organizing behind the BRICS & they’ve got a BRICS alliance with 117 nations which are in tow. And they’ve also got this Shanghai Cooperative Organization (SCO) which is about cultural, but now, more security interests. There’s talk now that SCO is going to rival NATO. I think that NATO is going to fracture, with first Turkey & then Germany splitting away. And then you’re going to have a lot of controversy about the U.S. – Afghan heroine that’s being transported to the NATO airbases, like in Incirlik, Turkey & Ramstein, Germany. What are they going to do with all the narcotics that’s keeping the Western banks afloat?

So, we call Russia weak, but are banks are kept going by narcotics. I mean, it’s the absolute opposite – we’re in the Nero era of the “King Dollar” regime… they’re burning down Rome to keep the dollar going. Ukraine is about to enter a regime change, in a failed state, systemic failure… call it what you wish.

They’re not saying much about Ukraine because its collapsing… there’s a news report out yesterday that first caught humor as my reaction… George Soros is being mentioned as the new (lol – I can’t saying it without laughing), as the new head being proposed for the Ukraine Central Bank – this is absolutely nuts!

On a serious note – their harvest has been a wreck in Ukraine. They’ve not had adequate trucks, diesel, men or roadways to get the food to market. Ukraine used to be the big breadbasket of Europe, not just for wheat, but for a lot of different crops. And Monsanto is got their mitts in their trying to make GMOs, this is part of the Ukraine motive. So the people are now outraged on food shortages, price increases, lack of coal, lack of gas, and they’re not having properly heated homes, when many of their jobs are wrecked because of the shelling all over the Eastern Ukraine industrial sites, in addition to their residential neighborhoods.

So, we got genocide out the ying-yang in Ukraine. This is a little bit odd, but I like to point out things that are real & even if they’re ugly & strange. There was a report 2 months ago about 3000 cadavers.

John B: ISIS is doing it too, they say.

Jim Willie: I don’t give a damn what they say regarding ISIS, because that is a Langley asset, but in this forest of 3000 dead bodies… let’s just call them partial cadavers with their organs missing. Let’s say that their lungs might be missing, or liver, or kidney, or gall bladder… I don’t know if they can remover hearts… that’s got to be done while the person is alive.

Ukraine is long known for three things that are “scummy”: White Women Trafficking, Organ Harvest & Transporting; and Nigerian Fraud Banking. This is what the U.S. has, let’s say, fortify in a fascist regime. And notice a couple weeks ago there was a United Nations resolution that condemned all fascist activity in government. The United States, Ukraine & Israel did not vote against it. They voted ‘No’ on the condemnation. And England abstained.

So, to me, confirms exactly & precisely what the fascist global axis is: United States, Israel, England & now its extension into Europe with Ukraine. We’ve got a systemic breakdown there –a failed state.

Remember, back in the early days the U.S. stole the 33 tons of gold shortly after the Swiss bankers saw fit to relocate, shall we say – 70 billion dollars of competitor oligarch Ukrainian money. Its now sitting in Swiss banks.

Will the economy do okay with $70 billion of elite money gone & the 33 tons of gold gone. You know, 33 tons might not sound like a lot. That’s about 8 or 10 small trucks. So, its not a small amount of gold. And for a little nation like Ukraine with 40 million people & its primitive agrarian economy, where its main business are again, white women trafficking, organ trafficking, and Nigerian fraud banking, coupled with Gazprom, natural gas pipeline pilfering through siphons – this is not an honorable nation.

And, now in the security agency building for the Kiev regime, there flies two flags – the Ukrainian & the United States. So, who’s running the show there? And we talk about Russia annexing Crimea. The stories I think would even make Googles giggle.

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Jim Willie: Okay, I’m going to speak here with confidence & for almost everything I say regarding IRS, here, just assume that I’m 90% sure what I’m saying will ultimately come out in the wash – will ultimately be revealed.

John B: That’s fair.

Jim Willie: The Most Favored Nation status given by Clinton… why did he wait for his last year to do that?

Well, because he had a sinister hand-off to his friend in the Bush family… and that was already arranged – the victory of ‘W’ – the little half-wit moronic son, who occupied the White House from 2000 to 2008. I always joke about the Bush 80 I.Q.

Okay, on the back-end of that, of the Most Favored Nation status granted to China, was a massive lease of something on the order of 4 or 5 thousand tons of Chinese gold – done by Wall Street, in selling out the United States. These are traitors. And that’s why Obama is working feverishly to change the statute penalties for treason.

Alright. So, the Chinese leased a small amount of their gold – the Chinese have over 20,000 tons of gold. Don’t buy into this official story that they have 1, 045 tons & it might be increased to 2,700 tons this year. No! If true be told, they got over 20,000 tons, and Russia has even more.

So, can you say gold-backing for the BRICS currency? But what the Chinese did was to say “We don’t trust you. We remember the Opium Wars. We have long memories, where you American & British do not. We have long horizons & timetables, where you do not. So, we want a ‘secured stream’ on our gold.”

So what they did was they put up the JP Morgan Headquarter property in South Manhattan, and they put up the “IRS Aggregate Secure Stream Derivative Bond” and we defaulted on both.

So, the tax revenue… notice all the weird stories coming out of the Vatican in the last year or 18 months regarding the “U.S. Tax Stream Income” was no longer in Vatican control – well, that was something that was signed just after the Civil War, in & around 1870. That established the United States as a corporate structure owned by the Vatican. So, we lost our ‘income tax stream’, it’s now Chinese property. We lost our JP Morgan Headquarters, including their vault that adjoins the Federal Reserve. And, I believe, controlling interest for the Federal Reserve itself is owned by China.

So, that has the JP Morgan vault attached to the Federal Reserve vault at the New York Fed. The JP Morgan property was sold for the miniscule amount of $700 million. I did some research & found that it was worth closer to $3 billion. And, to be sure, that final figure might have been just the extraneous amount after other obligations had been filled – I don’t know. We’re not told… we don’t get told about anything that happens at the highest level of the U.S. government, where treason takes place on a daily & weekly basis.

John B: Geesh! That’s awfully strong, Jim. Now what’s this about Obama working feverishly to change the statutory what? Where treason is concerned?

Jim Willie: The penalties for treason… aren’t they for hanging?

John B: The last time I checked that’s exactly what they were.

Jim Willie: Well, he’s trying to change it… because, I’m told… Okay, I’m off the Chinese 90% likelihood, here…I’m now just speaking as Jim Willie U.S. citizen… I’m hearing from more than 2 different sources, that there’s a Pentagon initiative in progress to force both Obama & Biden out of office, giving them the opportunity to open the door & leave voluntarily so that they don’t face treason charges.

John B: I sure hope you’re right. I don’t know about letting them walk out. I don’t think that’s the thing to do. I think we need to send the rest of the world a message, personally.

Jim Willie: What would be the benefit of having a military tribunal that organizes a new Congressional Constitution, and disbands the Congress? Does that sound better? That’s all part of the package. And the fellow who’s running this is General Carter Ham, who Obama forced into retirement. He’s one of the many generals… I think there is something like 300 or more, who’ve been forced into retirement for various reasons – insubordination & disobedience of direct orders from the Commander & Chief, which is the basic Kenyon empty chair. So, these 300 generals, bear in mind, they’re not dead. They’re on generous pensions.

So, these generals they’re organized & they got a group called “America First”. And the origin of “America First” had some leaders that all went down in a fiery airplane crash in the weeks following the Oklahoma City Bombing, which was a very similar 911 type event. Anyone who thinks that fertilizer removed one-third of the structural steel & facades of the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City, anyone who believes fertilizer did that damage to structural steel… I got news for you… you are a moron.

John B: Sorry to inform listeners that fertilizer is not going to do it.

Jim Willie: So, what was in the Oklahoma City Building? A lot of records. First of all, regarding Papa Bush & Bill Clinton thefts of Fannie Mae funds – a total of $1.6 trillion – which is 16 hundred billion dollars.

I wouldn’t mind retiring on half of that, like Bill Clinton is doing. You can maybe buy some small Latin American countries with that, which is what they’re doing. They’re also using narcotics money. George Bush Sr. is worth something on the order of $4-5 trillion on narco money.

So, what else was in the Murrah Building besides deeply incriminating records against two Presidents? It was a lot of stuff that I don’t have exact knowledge of, but was apparently sufficient to bring down the Clinton Administration, and might have something to do with hidden records from the Sandia Labs, which might have served as an act of treason by the Clinton Administration – worthy enough of starting the America First Movement by the admirals & generals. There were 7 or 8 generals & admirals who went down in Alabama on a single plane – why they are on a single plane – I have no idea. But they’re all dead. As a result, since 1995, all their movements & activities have been much more in secrecy, you know, a lot of winks & handshakes.

We’ve got these generals who do not like the fact that Benghazi & Libyan embassy – the U.S. embassy in Libya, was an act of treason. And, I may have my facts wrong, but I believe it was Carter Ham was the general who disobeyed the Obama orders & tried to engineer a rescue of Ambassador Stevens & the 5 trapped elite Seals. They all died. And the Pentagon has been furious.

But remember, there are two groups in the Pentagon. One is the Constitutionalists, who defend that document, defend the liberties of Americans & put the nation first, as in America First.

The other camp is called the Loyalists, and don’t be confused, they are not loyal to the Constitution, or to the people. They’re loyal to the crime syndicate backed by banks & the narcotics business. This narcotics is not small. The Afghan war started out with the Taliban controlling something on the order 30 tons of heroine per year. Its now up to 1300 tons, worth $800 billion per year, or perhaps $1.2 trillion per year. That does not go into the U.S. government Treasury, if it did, there would be no deficit. Seventy percent of all American street heroine comes from Afghanistan, compliments of our Langley friends.

I’ve been told a timetable, John, I’m told that this General Carter Ham & his mass of forced retirement generals & admirals are giving a timetable of the end of January, which is very interesting timing, because that coincides with what I’m told is going to be roughly when you see the Shanghai gold exchange – double the gold price – to put a torpedo in the Western banks. That timing of the Shanghai event is somewhere around the Chinese New Year of mid-February.

So, we got a lot of interesting things going on…

John B: I got to tell you, I love talking to you because you don’t say things that I anticipate you’re going to say.

Jim Willie: Well, there is another side to this, John, and that is I got a 90% correct forecast record. The average for Wall Street economist is 20-30%. I got an established track record, and just to name off a few:

When we started out with the 0% interest rate with the Fed in 2009, I said it would go on forever. We’re now in the 5th year of it. When we came out with the first QE with bond monetization in 2011, I said it would go on forever with endless steps, we are not in the 3rd or 4th of that. And they’re now taking back their comments that QE3 is over with now. Why? Because the Russian are dumping Treasury Bonds, while the U.S. press is saying they’re dumping gold – they’re getting it exactly backwards. This is something that Goobles would giggle at.

There are other big forecasts that I made… when Fukushima happened, regardless of its origin, I said that the Japenese yen would go up from 100 to 125, and it did precisely that in the next three months.

We got a lot of other different things… I said the Taper talk in the Summer 2013 was nonsense. I’m on record now saying, back in March & April, that the Kiev regime would fall. I had to revise it by June to say the end of year. There’s a price on Poroshenko’s head right now from competing oligarchs. They want to kill him & take all of his money & bring back some of the money that’s sitting in the Swiss banking system, and restart Ukraine under different criminals. We’re not going to get any solution in Ukraine that’s positive for at least two more regime changes.

So, I got a bunch of other correct forecasts that are all, I think, eye poppers. And if you go to the Golden Jackass website, you can click on a little icon that says “correct forecasts list”.

...And now we got this propaganda, John. I'd like to close, if I could, with the Russian plans...

John B: Yes, please.

Jim Willie: They're forcing Europe to pay in euros, ruble & RMB - the Chinese currency, its the yuan (RMB). The Russians are going to insist & have already insisted… this was another one of my forecasts back in March… one of the outcomes from these sanctions will be: China demands payments outside the dollar, probably in rubles, or at least RMB… and it happened within a month.

So, what is Russia doing with the euros, rubles & yuan? They’re converting it instantly to gold, while the stupid Goobles press in the United States is saying that Russia is selling their to relieve their ruble problem. Regarding the Russian energy income stream, the ruble has gone down exactly as much as the crude oil price has gone down. In other words, the ruble has gone down, while the dollar has gone up, which is what they’re paid in currency terms. So they convert instantly from the dollar into the foreign currency & into gold.

The other thing that was mentioned is that there’s been an effect on import prices. The prices seem to go up, but they don’t continue to go up, they come back down as though nothing has happened.

So we’re painting the picture of the Russian economy going into free-fall, disorganized, tatters, supply problems… whatever… nothing could be further from the truth.

John B: Jim, I know you got to go, but you’re saying that something going to hit the fan next month – January.

Jim Willie: Its hard to say. I think we’re going to see some preliminary effects towards a more recognized breakdown. And remember, don’t ever sell the U.S. leadership short for doing something drastic. The U.S. is running out of enemies to plunder, and now its turning toward Japan to plunder… notice that we’ve made a claim on their 1.2 trillion dollar government pension fund in the last month (November). The proof of that theft would be the Japanese would use their unlimited QE statement & its going to have an effect on their yen currency – its going to go down down hard & it did go down down hard, proving the point that the U.S. is seizing the Japanese pension fund worth $1.2 trillion. Now its going to come next to our ally in Japan is going to have corporate damage & banking damage, because they are both tightly knit, they’re cross-owned.

They’re going to start currency war in East Asia that involves at least the following countries: Singapore, Taiwan, South Korea & China.


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Andrew D Basiago Interview
2/12/2015



Interview with Andrew Starts at 35:04



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John B: Andrew D. Basiago, he’s a lawyer from Washington State. He was a participant in two secret U.S. Defense projects. In the early 1970s he was child participant in DARPAs Project Pegasus, which was the U.S. Space-time Exploration Program at the time of the emergence of time travel in the U.S. Defense technical community. In the early 1980s, as a young adult, he participated in the CIA’s Mars Jump-Room Program, which used a revolutionary transport technology to a Human presence in & on the Red Planet.

Today he is waging a truth campaign to reveal his experiences in these programs to others, so that humanity can understand the true extent of technical development on our planet & the true history of our activities in space.

On today’s show we’re going to focus on the Mars Jump-Room Program. I think we’re about to find out that we are under some sort of a delusion to an even greater degree than we even thought.

Welcome to the Program, Andrew D Basiago.

Andrew D Basiago: Thank you for having me, it’s a pleasure to be on.

John B: How in the world does a man, as a child, get involved with DARPA? How does that happen?

Andrew D Basiago: Well, DARPA created an intelligence funnel in the mid 60s, and began to place in it anything & everything that would yield it a time travel capability. My late father, Raymond F Basiago, was a special project’s engineer for the Ralph M Parsons Company, which was the Defense contractor that achieved time-travel on behalf of the US government. So, as a young gifted kindergartener, actually I had been selected, initially, to participate several years later in those areas of the project where they needed to work with small intelligent human beings because of some of the technical impediments that some of the time-travel devices possessed. I had scored very high in terms of IQ, I was psychically gifted. In that era, it was very common for individuals working for the Executive Branch of government, the military, the Intelligence community to permit their children, or even to volunteer their children into these classified Defense projects. And so I was.

But in my case, there was a bit of a quantum complication, and that is: it looks like, ultimately, the reason that I was selected for Project Pegasus was because Project personnel in the future had identified me as a necessary participant, because they knew that I was destined to participate, remember what happened, memorialize what happened in writing (I’m writing those books now), and then be instrumental in being the bridge between what Project Pegasus achieved in the early 1970s, in terms of Applied Quantum Physics, and ultimate societal adoption of teleportation.

So it looks like, in a sense, there was a backward-chaining quantum loop that essentially necessitated my involvement because of what I was destined to achieve on the Project, and then later, with some of the Project technologies.

John B: How much, in your opinion, of what we’ve developed, here, in the United States with DARPA & so forth, was based on stuff that the Germans were doing back during WW2? They were really keen on time-travel & vortex engines & produced all kinds of technological breakthroughs – even Frank Whittle invented the jet engine at age 37, Ernst Heinkel was like a month later. And after that, Germany kind of took off & ran with it. And most of the stuff that we were flying around here, from the late 40s on up to the present, was really based on German designs. Then there’s the whole thing about Hans Kammler – he was looking over the time-travel project & Die Glocke, as well as producing nuclear weapons – they just discovered this big underground base in Austria. And he was behind all that... So, how much of our work was based on their work?

Andrew D Basiago: Honestly, I’d have to say very little. And I can cite a number of arguments to defend that position. I’ve read Joe Farrel’s excellent book on the Nazi Bell program, its clearly an essential part of the time-travel literature. But let me just cite some facts that I think will elucidate my position on this.

First, in his lengthy engineering career, my father worked with one Nazi Paperclip scientist, and that at was at C.F. Braun Inc in the early 1960s. And then when I was attached to DARPA’s Project Pegasus & we were involved literally in researching & developing time-travel, by the time that I was fully operationalized by 1970, as a 8 year-old going on age 9, DARPA had reduced the practice 8 modalities from conventional remote viewing all the way through four kinds of physical time-travel.

Now during those three years, I experienced 4 years of experience, because I was “looped” for the four summers, so I spent 3 extra months in New Mexico after teleporting there & then I was teleported back to New Jersey on the day I had left. So, I had actually experienced four years of Project activities in those 3 years – 1969 to 1972. And I met many of the Project principles & didn’t here a single German accent. So I thing if the Nazi Paperclip influence & the previous work done by the Nazi Germans was responsible for most of what the project was doing, I would have at least heard several German accents, and I didn’t hear a single German accent the entire time I was on the project.

John B: Unless they learned the American English dialect, maybe they were able to disguise their German accent.

Andrew D Basiago: Sure, I think they definitely had an input, but let me cite something else that I learned on the Project…There were Project principles, namely my father Raymond F Basiago, Dr Robert Beckwith who had just left General Electric on his to founding Beckwith Electric Co. in Florida – holder of 20 of the most advanced patents in electronic devices, and then, Carl “Jack” Pruitt. Jack Pruitt was a team leader on Project Pegasus, who has been identified by Nichols and Moon as the research director for the later time-travel project, Project Montauk.

Now, in different contexts, each of those three project principles cited the work of Nikola Tesla as being the primary input into what became Project Pegasus. So, I think I would emphasize Tesla, while others would emphasize a Nazi German input.

John B: That’s very interesting. Alright then, what did you mean by “looping”.

Andrew D Basiago: Ultimately, the Tesla Telaporter, which initially, I first jumped through that device of the Winter of 1968 as six-year-old with my dad. It was up at the old Curtiss-Wright Aeronautical Company facility in Woodridge, NJ. About 15 miles from my boyhood home in Morris Plains, New Jersey.

Initially, we were just making real time jumps via a vortal tunnel across the country into New Mexico. There was an identical device at the Sandia National Labs to get home, back to the tarmac at Curtiss-Wright.

So, we were doing real-time jumps. Obviously, it was very time urgent, but there was no off-set to the past or future upon arrival. But then, in the Fall of 1970, when I had already been jumping throughout the Summer of 1970, after that Summer, we noticed when we were arriving back in New Jersey that there was an off-set in time. So for example, we would jump to New Mexico through the vortal tunnel, pop in view in Santa Fe, be driven to Los Alamos or Albuquerque, or wherever. And then we spend the whole day there, even taking a late dinner at a Howard Johnson’s in Albuquerque and then be driven up by car to Sandia to jump home.

Sometimes, it was 8pm & 9 o’clock when we would jump through the device at Sandia, but when we hit the tarmac at Curtiss-Wright in New Jersey in Woodridge, it would be 10am or 11 o’clock in the morning. And so we asked them, “Well, you’re putting us back in time, aren’t you? How long can you put us back in time?” And they said, “12 hours.” And then, during the remaining several years that I was in the program, they lengthened that to several years.

And they also developed the ability to use the teleporter to put us forward in time. For example, by the Fall of 1971, the next year, my father & I went up on a Saturday morning to Curtiss-Wright & jumped through the device & I learned, much to my amazement, that it was the beginning of the Summer of 1973 when we arrived in New Mexico.

So what had ended-up happening is that in the Summer of 1970 we were just jumping back & forth in real time, but in the Summers of 1971, 1973 (accessed from the Fall of ’71), and then the Summer of 1972, I spent the entire Summer living away from my mother & siblings with my father in a rental house in New Mexico, engaged in Project activities, and then at the end of those Summers, when we jumped via teleportation from Sandia to Curtiss-Wright in New Jersey, we arrived back at the beginning of the Summer & experienced what I call “the second Summers” of those years.

Tesla's Vortal Teleportation

So, in that way, Vortal Teleportation derived from the works that Tesla left at his death in 1943 essentially became a means to achieve time-travel.

John B: So when you go into this… what did you call it… a Vor… what?

Andrew D Basiago: Well, the rated energy that was tuned in by the two elliptical armatures of the Tesla Teleporter – when we jumped through that field of radiant energy, which is a form of energy that Tesla discovered, that is latent & pervasive in the entire physical universe, and has among its characteristics the capacity to bend the fabric of time-space. We would jump through the middle of that curtain of light, our inertia would punch through the radiant energy so that it would extrude a tunnel into the fabric of time-space itself.

Imagine a child blowing a soap bubble & then a bumble bee goes inside the tunnel that is created. And in that way, because the radiant energy can literally “slice open” time-space, we were traveling through the interstitial chasm in time space – the corridor – that our inertia pressed against that field of radiant of energy created. And then, when that tunnel would close, that’s where we would find “footfall” at our destination.

John B: Wow, so you’re just at this place, I presume that it’s a room, cuz it says “jump room”, and there are these two elliptical armatures, and you & your dad go together or one-at-a-time?

Andrew D Basiago: Actually, the “jump room” was a later device we were using to get to Mars in the 1980s. The room that we were in was simply a room about the size of a high school classroom at Curtiss-Wright. In fact, it was at Building 68 at Curtiss-Wright Aeronautical in Woodridge NJ. And there were two gray elliptical-shaped booms in the front of the room. They were about 8 feet high & about 10 feet apart from each other on the ground. They were like a pair of parentheses. The concave side was directed toward the other concave side, and they would broadcast this shimmering curtain of radiant energy, which is a form of light. So that if we stood 10 feet back it looked like water falling into a public sculpture. But then if we went, let’s say, a foot up to the radiant energy, definitely we didn’t want to touch it, it looked like a black & white raster on a television set – kind of a snow pattern. So my dad explained that he was going take my hand & we were going to run through that field of radiant energy & find ourselves in a kind of tunnel. And then we would see light at the end of the tunnel, and when that light would suddenly hit our face, we find “footfall” on a hillside several thousand miles across the country. And, in fact, the location during all these jumps from New Jersey was Santa Fe, New Mexico, in fact, the State Capitol grounds in Santa Fe because that was a place where strangers were expected to be seen, children might be on school field trips. And also, if your listeners have an opportunity to visit that beautiful State Capitol complex, including the Round House – their 360 degree State Capitol facility. Its really a hodgepodge of buildings & foliage & also buildings from different eras, there’s a lot of oblique corners throughout that whole grounds. So if we suddenly popped into view, it was very rare that somebody see us arrive via teleportation from New Jersey.

John B: So, you just show up kind of like a Star Trek episode, you just kind of shimmer in & shimmer out. Or, do you just ‘bump’ – you’re all there, suddenly?

Andrew D Basiago: No, one time a gentleman – sort of an Andre Segovia type – a 70 year-old man smoking a pipe with a pale-blue shirt & a red cravat saw me appear right in front of him, in front of the Bataan Memorial Building & his pipe actually dropped out of his mouth. Because what happened is, we just popped into view. We sort of slipped into that time. In other words, if you were standing there with some of the other children in the program were coming through the teleporter, you would suddenly see them not appear in a static way, but appear as if they had been running & leapt into that location. So there would be a little bit of a displacement on the receiving end.

John B: What did it feel like, Andy, I mean…

Andrew D Basiago: It was a very odd sensation. I was a courageous kid, but was very cautious. I was raised by strict Roman Catholic parents. I went through a whole religious training, in addition to attending a public school there in New Jersey. And so, I was kid that could take care of myself, as well as being fairly brave. I was not a risk taker.

So, I always kind of got keyed-up when we jumped through the field of energy at Curtiss-Wright or at Sandia on the way home. Because it seemed to be a very dangerous enterprise. What we found ourselves in a big blue-ish white tunnel that we seemed to be traveling through at about 10,000 miles per hour. Imagine, if you illuminate the Lincoln Tunnel in NYC with aquamarine-blue klieg lights , and you’re traveling through it at this super-sonic speed. Other times, like if I looked down, or looked up myself, it seemed that the tunnel was rushing past us. So, there was this sort of relativistic trade-off that was going on. There didn’t seem to be any bottom, and that was somewhat terrifying. We were levitated. And the electrostatic discharge inside the tunnel would make peoples’ hair to start floating around. Sometimes, the children would actually begin turning their position like they would in the “barrel dropout” in some of these amusement park rides where you lose the bottom of the device as they use centripetal force to suspend you in space.

So it was a mix of sensations. When I would arrive, I would often smell a brief whiff of ozone, I would sometimes be feverish with an elevated heart rate. And one of the major side-effects which we certainly felt as soon as we arrived at our destination was profound dehydration. The teleporter was prompting massive bodily dehydration. So that one time, I attended a lecture after arriving, and the children in front of me at the water fountain, one of them actually pulled one of the other children away from the water fountain to drink and to slake her thirst.

So however that fell together with the laws of physics, that was essentially the sensation – that sort of head-rush of a rapid travel through an illuminated tunnel, followed by a kind of a sense of disease, a feverish sensation, a smell of ozone, an elevated heart rate & apparently blood pressure, as we then normalized into the normal quantum environment, found “footfall” at our destination.

John B: How do they keep a kid quiet like this – I mean, nobody talked. How do they keep projects like this from being talked about?

Andrew D Basiago: Well, they learned a lot during World War II & the Korean War about brainwashing & about making people adhere to authority. Initially, when we were being trained in 1969-70, which for me was my 3rd grade year, they put us with this beautiful, compassionate, wonderfully maternal, special educator by the name of Elaine Gallagher.

Scene from The Manchurian Candidate

I almost got the opportunity to interview her, she passed away from cancer right after I found that she was still teaching at my elementary school. She was my special educator in the learning lab at my elementary school. And she explained to us that in the program, in Project Pegasus, we were going to be shown ways of using our mind so that we could achieve the summit of human experience. We could become… and then she mentioned the three things that I might very well become during my lifetime… basically, an astronaut, a famous writer, and a national leader – she actually referenced the Presidency, which I’m going to be pursuing in 2016.

And she butted us up about how we were going to receive this specialized training…we were privileged to do so & we shouldn’t talk about it to the other children. Because if we did, they would be jealous, their feeling would be hurt that they weren’t involved, they weren’t special.

So we got all of this “special-ness” training from Elaine. And then on the day of that lecture, while returning home, this odd young man ran up to the curtilage of my school grounds, as I was crossing it on my way home, and threatened me & threatened the life of my family & my mother if I ever I told anybody about what I was going to be doing in Project Pegasus.

Then, before they actually sent us down the rabbit hole of Applied Quantum Physics, they took us to the Morristown Army Arsenal, in Morristown, NJ., and we were involved in this game – I can’t call it a game – it was actually a sadistic enterprise, it was actually a form of torture of children, in which we were seated at metal desks, with our ankle attached to the desk. And the rules of the ‘game’ essentialy were that when a siren & a blue spiraling light came on at another child’s desk, we had to shock that child with a red button at our console or we would be shocked. And in fact, there was a description of this form of subversive therapy in a book called “Secret Weapons” by Jill & Cheryl Hersha. The Hersha sisters may very well have been in the very session that I was in there at the Arsenal.

Another thing they did besides sort of knowing that we were expected to do what we were told, that we were in a military context, where we might be tortured again like this if we disobeyed, is that they did one level of mind control in the sense that we selected an alternate first name. I selected the Michael because it was the name of one of my good friends in class. And we were known by that name whenever we did anything Project related… so, if we were taken to Curtiss-Wright, if we were taken to ITT Defense Communications, if we were taken up or picked to the Arsenal for some kind of activity, we were not known by the name that we’d been given at birth, we were known by an alternate first name. And in that way, they calved-off our Project experiences in our mind so they seemed to have occurred to that sort of alternate personality.

But they were also using medications, drugs & hypnosis when we entered the learning lab & then when we inter-completed our activities that afternoon, or arrived back at the learning lab from one of these Defense technical locations, where we were introduced to time-travel. So, it was a sort of a mix of drugging, hypnosis, special education, special-ness training, but then also limited forms of torture that certainly today would not qualify as legal under the Torture Convention.

John B: This is pretty amazing stuff. Now, let me ask you this: why are you putting yourself out on the clothesline like this? Tell us about your Truth Campaign.

Andrew D Basiago: Well, I reach age 40 in the year 2001. And around that age 39-40, I kind of took stock that I was the age of John Lennon at the time of his assassination. And I thought of all the things that John Lennon accomplished by age 40 – with his music, with his peace activism, with his raising of human consciousness, and I asked myself what I had accomplished & what I could give during my lifetime that would leave some sort of positive legacy, as he did at the time of his assassination.

And so, I really did some soul searching during that period. I was sort of impeded in my career at that time, and sometimes when you don’t move forward creatively, academically, professionally, bright people, like I, tend to get stuck a bit & do a lot of soul searching, a lot of rumination. So, I was in somewhat of an impeded period of my career, and in the time frame, doing that soul searching, I thought, “Well, wait a minute, I was in something that was extremely important & singular. I was involved in literally revolutionary technical activities.”

Then I began to think more about what had happened & catalogue what happened, I remembered conversations that I had with my father more than 10 years prior to his death. How he had sat me down & instructed me that when his toes curled up, as he put it, and he was no longer around, that I should convene a family meeting & tell everybody what everything that happened. And he said, “When you bring the other members of the family into what we experienced together, because what we did was great. We were involved in really epochal set of human activities & something very important, to the technical history of the country.” He analogized it to the Wright Brothers achieving flight at Kitty Hawk in 1903. He said, “I then want you to tell the entire world.”

I said, “Why, dad, why after all this time?” And he said, “Well, because look, the people of our planet may very well be needing these technologies & if they’re going to be able to use them, they’re going to have to know that they exist. So, its going to take you a few years to put everything together, but son, I think this is what you should do. I think that you should make it your work to put all the facts together & tell the world what Project Pegasus achieved.”

But there were many delay factors there, because I was operating under the influence of the original attempt to block my memories. I was able to go back & remember everything. But clearly the message had been put in my mind ‘not to talk’. And I had the admonishment from my dad to move forward & ultimately become the revealer of what happened. And ultimately that became my life’s work. I’ve spent thousands of hours since 2000 involved in both indirect & direct investigations. I’ve gone on three major fact finding trips to New Mexico. I’ve interviewed dozens of people, I’ve gotten corroborating testimony from 12 people who were in the Project, whose accounts I will provide in my book. I essentially proved that Project Pegasus existed, that it involved time-travel technologies, and that I was in it. In fact, I got confirmation of that from an emissary that had been sent to meet me Southwest Colorado from the Executive Office of the President, namely the Executive Office of George W Bush, corroborated or confirmed that I was not delusional, but in fact, was remembering a real project that I was really in.

So I made it my life’s work to bring this information forward. Because at a minimum, we’re going to be needing the Tesla Teleportation Technology to achieve planetary sustainability in the 21st Century. So, ultimately I would develop an understanding that I was under a moral duty to bring this information forward just so I could improve human options & make a contribution to civilization while I’m here.

John B: Well, the time-travel & so forth is going back to the 60s with the “Time Tunnel” & the teleportation techniques used on “Star Trek”, and all that. Its one thing if you’re watching it on TV – its kind of an amusement, but its another thing when it turns out to be real. Do you find that people are receptive to this information, or do they just roll their eyes & walk off?

Andrew D Basiago: Actually, I’m getting about 2 out of 3 of every group of listeners. Those who do not believe me tend to follow the psychology when we were on the Project & we were admonished not to tell. Namely, people will believe either that you are lying, or you’re crazy, or they were become strangely resentful because they were not involved.

Now of the other two-thirds, people appreciate the detail that I am bringing, my sincerity, the fact that I’ve been consistent, perhaps, over one hundred interviews on television & radio, that I’m naming names, and describing the technologies, and sharing the kinds of experiences that the technologies prompted.

There is a strong group of skeptics, but I say to them, “Look, during the cold war, even to this day, the United States government has had trillions of dollars of black budgeted funding, conditions of relative absolute secrecy, some of the brightest physicists & electrical engineers in the world, and the entire State of New Mexico, to be involved in Defense technical activities, that we all know, just based on common sense, have gone far beyond building the next best generation of nuclear warheads.

As somebody who participated in two of those projects, coming forward & saying, “this is some of the things that we were doing in the ‘black realm’.

You know, Rumsfeld announced the day before 911 that 2.3 trillion dollars of Pentagon funding had gone missing. So, if the Pentagon & the DOD can lose that much money, imagine what they can spend over 40 years to achieve something like time-travel. The true history of the United States is that the very physicists who brought us the atomic bomb brought us time-travel. And that 25 years after Tesla’s death, we were utilizing his Teleportation technology to teleport human beings across the country without injury, and even ultimately by the Fall of 1970, with a displacement of, initially, hours, and then days, & weeks, & months & years into the past & future. That is the true history of this country and that’s another reason why I’ve come forward, because it was Jefferson who said that our democracy is dependent on an enlightened citizenry. And our citizenry can only vote with the best interest of the country, and can only be governed legitimately when the citizenry is aware of what our government has achieved in these advanced areas of applied science.

John B: Why is this time-travel thing important. What’s the idea, what’s the objective, is it to be able to go back & change things so that when they come back forward things are than when they left. Or, is it as in “Back to the Future” – like don’t do anything, don’t talk to anybody – nothing… Anything that you do or say in this particular realm could effect events in the future. I mean, did they think this out, or is the same deal as, “I’m not sure that the chain reaction will stop with the Uranium… it might go on & involve the entire known reality… I mean, let’s get a little bit crazy with it & see if we can do this without ripping an enormous hole in the fabric time & destroying the Earth & all known reality along with it.

Andrew D Basiago: Actually, there were more discreet historical motives that were the catalysts for the time-travel program. Essentially they weren’t just tinkering, or trying to play god. In fact, the consensus on the program was that “we shouldn’t play god & try to quantum engineer to change past events or future events. In fact, you can’t change past events, because when you go to a past event to change it, you’re in the original event that you’re trying to change. At most, you can go back in time & give somebody information. But if you’re going to, you did.

So time-travel is somewhat limited to literally change the past & shift humanity onto a new timeline. The complication with the future is that if you learn of a future event… let’s say if you one of these electrical-optical devices that provide holographic images of past & future events… if you see some event in the future that you then try to change, you‘re also limited in changing it, because when you go through the machinations after you sample the future to try to change it, what you’ve sampled is the net result of all the causes that preceded it. So you actually are looking at what ultimately results.

And that may have been the frustration whereby they had footage of one of the planes hitting one of the twin towers on September 11 of 2001 & they endeavored to change it. I mean, FBI agent John O’Neil moved into the twin towers to head an effort to head it off as an event. But they did not succeed, because what they had seen with their forward intelligence via time-travel was the event happening.

So, knowing that, they decided to just use the information gathered by visiting the past of future, or rendering a remote holographic image of the past or future event to engage in contingency planning for present & future events.

Now, the other over-arching concern went back to the origins of the Program itself, which was the famous July 1952 over-flight of Washington DC by nine UFOs, or to say, Extraterrestrial craft, clocked at traveling at 7,000 miles per hour by Langley Air Force Base.

We noted that not only were those ships moving around very rapidly in the sky at 7,000 miles per hour, but they were blinking off & then winking on. They were literally teleporting & moving around arbitrarily in the airspace above our nation’s capitol.

John B: This was in 52?

Andrew D Basiago: Right. That was the famous July 1952 over-flight of UFOs that was published on the front page of the Washington Post & the New York Times. Yes that was almost the culmination of the ’47 [UFO] flap & then that lead to really… Although, Roswell alarmed the government, that really galvanized the government into launching a set of conventional & unconventional aerospace projects.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=sTZ7O9cfpPQ

In the case of my father, he had been working at Okenite in Paramus, NJ & a bird colonel showed up at his desk & ordered him to report to Curtiss-Wright to work on the Ramjet engine, the Ramjet being one of the advanced planes that was going to be used to chase the Extraterrestrial craft out of atmosphere in the near-Earth environment.

Then of course, we had the enabling legislation for NASA in ’58, orignally NASA being NARA. So, there was always an extraterrestrial prompting to the search for fast planes, a space capability, and then also, the secret component of that – and that, indeed, may have been the “do the other things” that President Kennedy talked about during his famous Rice University speech of September 12 of 1962 – “We choose to go to the Moon, and do the other things, not because they’re easy, but because they’re hard.”

Well, the “other things” involved, not just aircraft & space capsules, they involved achieving different forms of teleportation, initially, to enable us to have same technical capabilities as our extraterrestrial visitors. We didn’t know where they were from, we didn’t know what they wanted, they were a profound potential threat.

And so, initially, the time-space program, as a branch of the atomic research community – it being in possession of Tesla's papers, from the time of the National Archive sent Tesla’s papers to the Los Alamos Scientific Laboratory in 1944, when they were designing & building the atomic bomb there, until ultimately Lano, under DARPA, achieved teleportation by the mid-‘60s. That was essentially the origin. It was an emergency program undertaken in response of the extraterrestrial presence. But then, as they began to realize that this would give us literally a quantum intelligence capability. They began to philosophize inside the government – I’m sure they had think tanks with all manner of academics involved & so forth – scientists, philosophers. And, they realized there were impediments to using information gathered to change reality, so they made a decision… and, I think it was the right decision, to just use it to engage in contingency planning to try to work the best possible outcome without literally directing what they outcome should be.

John B: Okay, let’s recapitulate here for a second… So, if you go back in time… let’s say you want to keep Daisy Mae from getting hit by the dump truck two weeks from now. But you just saw her get hit & you go, “Oh, that’s Daisy Mae, I got to get in my time tunnel & I got to go back & fix this, I got to sing out or something.” You can’t really change a past event?

Andrew D Basiago: Well, let’s say you were the farmer that owned Daisy Mae. Let’s say you were 35 years-old when it happened & you went back at 45. The way that time-travel really works is when you make that trip, you can make that trip & you can be there when Daisy Mae, your beloved cow dies. But you don’t become your 35 year-old self, witnessing & having the opportunity to prevent Daisy Mae’s untimely demise.

At best, if you go where you & Daisy Mae were when you were 35, you will visit yourself as 45 year old. So you could go back in time & advise somebody about an event, such as a tragic or unfortunate event that you wish to change. But you don’t become yourself, you visit yourself. That’s really what its like. Now, if you do that, since you can do that, you can even do that via a Tesla Teleportation. In fact, if you that jump before 1968, you’re going to strand yourself there.

But, if it was a worthy enough emergency or catastrophe to prevent, clearly we would try to do so. In fact, we probably have done so. But at best, you can just be essentially a messenger.

John B: Like this, you’d walk up & go, “Hey Andy.” And he goes, “Who the hell are you.” And, you go, “I’m you, just never mind. You’re involved in a project, you’ll find out about it later. That cow is fixing to get whacked out. You better do something about it, according to my calculations you have about a minute.”

Andrew D Basiago: Now, here’s the paradox of that, John. I call it the “Kill Hitler” paradox. If you go back & save your cow, clearly in the future, you would have a memory of going back & saving your cow. And that prompt the trip. But, in ordinary terms, since you saved your cow, what would provide, from the past, the motive & the awareness to make the trip when you’re older. So for example, knowing about Hitler’s terrible impact on human history, if you went back in time via time-travel to kill Hitler when he was still a postcard painter in Vienna, and you succeeded. And he didn’t found the Nazi Party & he didn’t become the Fuhrer & didn’t become the terrible force on world history that he became. How would you know about him & why would you have the motive kill him if you successfully killed him before he rose to power. Because after all, the trip when you make when you’re older, is already deeply embedded in the past – Why? Because the past was visited by you from the future.

Science fiction has made us believe, let’s say a film like “Dead Again”, although that involved reincarnation. But there’s always that science fiction premise where you can go back & literally retool & re-tinker with the past & bring about a different past. And its always portrayed as you going back to sort of interact with the past, again, as if there’s second present that you can visit from the future in the past. In fact, there isn’t. There’s only the original present that present when the past was the past.

John B: So, the past has already been built & you really can’t change anything.

Andrew D Basiago: Or, you can visit it, but if you visit it, the past already includes your visit.

John B: Oh, Lord.

Andrew D Basiago: You really have to get involved in this with your feet & do it as I did to really Grok this.

John B: Did you say ‘Grok’?

Andrew D Basiago: Yeah, Grok.

John B: I like that. "Stranger in a Strange Land" – I love it.

Andrew D Basiago: Exactly, that is the reality of time-travel. I get letters every week…
Please help me time-travel so I can go back & save my late wife from cancer, my child dying in a car accident, and so forth.

And I say, “Well, in your past, were you ever visited by an older version of your past? And they come back & say, “Frankly, no I wasn’t.” And I said, “Well, that means that your visit from the future is not deeply embedded in your past. And, therefore that means that you’re destine to never time-travel, and go back & improve the conditions, or prevent the event that you want to, to change the past & save your loved one.”

So, that was the limit to changing the past. The limit to the future was: whatever reading they got of the future, at a particular time – I call this the “Snapshot Effect”, if they went forward in time, as I believe they did in the ‘70s, and they saw that on January 20th of 2009 an African-American who gave his name Barack Hussein Obama was taking the Oath of Office as President. When you take that “Snapshot”, either by putting a time-traveler right there in the audience, or in front of a television set that’s broadcasting it Live, or even if you just remotely use a Chronovisor to capture a moving holographic image of that future event. Whatever you’re capturing during that ‘snapshot’ is what is going to happen at that instant in the future.

So people ask, “Does that mean its destined?” Well, its destined in the sense that it’s the result of all the previous causes. But, the thing is, its not destined in the sense that we do utilize our ‘free will’ in a deterministic universe to create those cause or contribute to the net causality that ultimately leads to a future outcome, like let’s say, in this example, the election of Obama in ’08 & his swearing in ’09.

So, they knew whatever they did to try to change a future event, it didn’t suddenly change their reading – it cohered with their original reading of that ‘snapshot’ in the future, because all of the causes before the reading & after the reading that occurred before the event, can be viewed as causes or potential causes of the future event. So, in that way, they didn’t have a hand-hold on a future event to dis-positively & concretely change it, because whatever they saw as resulting in the future was the net result of all previous causes.

John B: So, this Tom Crusise movie – “Day After Tomorrow” or something like that – he keeps getting killed, this woman keeps shooting him, which keeps sending him back, he keeps trying to fix something – so they just reset it. There’s another picture called “Looper” – you might have seen that one, with a bomb on the train, and all that.

Andrew D Basiago: The problem is that, although, ultimately it may be circular, or maybe a sort of Mobius Loop, time is linear in the sense that causality & sequentiality are. So, I know, for example, that we end this interview, I’m going to have lunch. I’m not going to have lunch before the interview, because it wasn’t timed to have lunch when we started.

Okay, so ultimately the line itself that makes up time-space could be circular & even with the “Big Bang” the Universe may collapse & then repeat itself, so that you could have multiple iterations of the same person’s life – not by reincarnation, by leaving the system & coming back – but literally in the same lifetime. That is not the case, because time is linear & sequential. So, when you’re trying to go back to the past, you’re trying to effect an embedded reality, where you already have a collapse of the wave function, in terms of quantum mechanics, and all you can do is become part of that event, as you originally did. And with the future, again, you’re just seeing the ultimate outcome. So, what they decided to do was just study the past & future.

Even studying the past gave them better intelligence to make decisions about the present – let’s say, Defense decisions, because maybe they knew something more about the locale of an area of where we’re going to have to put military forces, etc. So, they just decided to use ‘quantum access’, as I call it, which is sending a person to a past or a future place – I call them “time places” via time-travel – or generating, propagating, a remote image of a past or future “time place”. They just decided to use quantum access to enhance the intelligence function, but not to play god & literally change the direction of human history.

That also had practical constraints. Like, let’s say, you’re going to decide to prevent a plane crash of a friend of the President. Well, how many plane crashes do you prevent? Do you suddenly have a bureau of time-space bureaucrats that would record every plane flight in the future & cancel all those flights? If you were to save, let’s say, a celebrity, like a Frank Sinatra – you know, a friend of Kennedy & Nixon – would you save all the other friends of President Kennedy & President Nixon? Would you save all the other illustrious entertainers?

They realized that if they began to get seriously involved in ‘quantum engineering’, there would be no end to how much interference in the past & future would ultimately have to be engaged in – they decided to just scrap that & not do that.

John B: Yes, there’d just be no end to it, because there would be so many other things.

Mobius Loop

Andrew D Basiago: Right, the snake would eat the tail, then the snake would begin eating itself. And, this is the reason I don’t support mass time-travel. I would say, mass-time-travel by mass-people on mass-timelines would create mass-chaos.

So, they realized that they had to kind of be strategic in how often that they interfered in a timeline just by sending somebody there. And they decided not to play god.

John B: Was Einstein correct? Is time & distance related in the way that produced his E = mc2?

Andrew D Basiago: Time is analogous to distance. So that if you’re going to reduce it to mathematics or physics, you could say time = distance. And let me give an example of not only of that, but why time, in fact, is the 1st dimension & space, with its three dimensions, is actually the 2nd dimension. Imagine, you had your back to the wall at the beginning of the Universe, you existed, whatever fundament the Universe came out existed as a wall & you literally had your back to it.

If time didn’t exist before space, could you take one step forward into space?

John B: No.

Andrew D Basiago: You’re right, but why? Its kind of inscrutable, but its elegantly simple when we consider it. The reason is that you wouldn’t have the time to do so. You would be frozen there with your being-ness, your being. You’d be in a reality & it would be essentially a spatial reality. But if you didn’t have time under-girding that spatial reality and existing “aban-issue”, in other words, time being the primary dimension, and space – a ramification of time, you wouldn’t have the time, the potential elapse time to articulate space. Because space can only be articulated when its traveled in, when you experience distance. So time, we say that time = distance, but actually time = the articulation of distance. Its almost like saying the difference between the time that we live, the time that changes things in the Universe, that allows us to explore & articulate space & the time we speak of referentially on our watches.

So, time equals, basically, the experience of distance. It equals the elapsing of space, to create a Buckminster Fuller-ism.

John B: That’s very interesting because that certainly validates the existence of zero as, Zero does not mean ‘nothing’, it just means ‘zero’.

Andrew D Basiago: Right. If I had my back to that wall & I had time & space, I could decide not to step forward & that would be ‘Zero’. I could decide to step one step forward & that would be ‘1’, but if didn’t have time occurring before space, I would have the null set.

John B: And ‘Zero’ would not exist at that point.

Andrew D Basiago: ‘Zero’ would not exist. And any kind of plenitude, any kind of – so unity & multiplicity would not exist, just nullity would exist.

John B: Now, somebody out there is saying, “You put the bong away!” But this is really a beautiful thing, I just love this.

[turiya]

John B:
Let me ask you this: Who is this man, Barack Obama? Who is this guy?

Andrew D Basiago: I encountered the President, as a young man, both in the Project context – in the CIA’s Mars Jump-Room Program. And, I even ran into him a couple of times in Los Angeles. Let me describe how I met him & what we did together, and then I can tell you that I have all the answers.

The birther controversy is probably an Obama Administration Psyop on the American people

John B: Does not surprise me in the least.

Andrew D Basiago: Right. I first met Barrack Obama in August, 1980, in a training seminar that was held at College of the Siskiyous in Weed, CA, for ten young people who had been brought into the second Defense Project that I was part of, which was the CIA Mars Jump-Room Program. By the late 1970s, and even going back to the early ‘70s, when I was on Pegasus as a child, they had a room that would ultimately become a Space Elevator. So, they were building Elevators around the country. There was one in the CIA Complex under the George Washington Bridge in NYC, and there was one at a Hughes Aircraft facility that was at 999 North Supulative Blvd, El Segunda, CA, where you would step into the elevator, it would morph from a conventional box-like elevator shape into a static cylinder with a wormhole-like effect swirling at the end of the cylinder. And then it would right itself from a cylinder back into a box, and the opposite wall of the cylinder would open & we were in the sub-basement of a Jump-Room facility on the Planet Mars. In fact, I wasn’t the first American, or British, or Russian national, to take the Jump-Room to Mars – because, those were the three countries involved.

During our training, under Major Ed Dames, at College of the Siskiyous, we had been told that had already sent about 90,000 individuals to Mars, most of them in short hops, like ultimately I would take.

So, during one of our training classes, I was walking from the lecture, and I had a conversation with the young man, the African-American gentleman from Occidental College. I remember he had said a little about himself – how he grew up in Hawaii. And he made a very intelligent comment about how we were studying to do something that very few people had ever done. And I said, “Yeah, but look we’re not the first, look how many that Ed Dames have already been sent.” Most of them to return, but some to perish on the surface.

In fact, Dames gave us a catastrophic figure for how many had been lost on the surface. I think he said out of 97,000 that had been sent, 90,000 hadn’t returned. So, most of the settlers had apparently died & then been replaced consistently for a number of years. Michael C Ralph claims that he was first sent to Mars via Jump Room in 1976.

So, here I find myself in training in 1980. I’m 18 years-old, and of the ten kids in the program, we’ve identified 5 of them, including the young man who in that discussion with me, I asked him his name (actually, it was a later day, when we were walking into class in the morning), and I said, “Hey listen, what’s your name?” And he said, “Barry.” And I said, “Barry what?” And he said, “Barry Soetoro.”

So, this is kind of odd, because the President of Occidental College has already gone on the record in the birther controversy as stating that at that time period Barack Obama was using the name Barry Obama to attend Occidental College, but he clearly identified himself to me, here in the Summer of ’80 after we had both done our freshman year of college, using his Indonesian name Barry Soetoro.

Since then, I’ve evaluated different things that have occurred, and I have been able to provide a lot of information to the Birther Movement that they have absolutely ignored. Here’s one of them that’s germane to the Jump-Room Project itself. Because ultimately, I studied with Barrack in that program, for a short period of time we roomed together at the dormitory of College of the Siskiyous. He & another one of the Project participants, Regina Dugan, who he would appoint the director of DARPA, the first woman to direct DARPA, on July 20th of 2009, the 40th anniversary of the Lunar Landing.

The three of us were segregated there for several months working on a “Threat Assessment” utilizing 4 inches of classified French Intelligence Data about the Martian-Humanoid civilization, collaborating with him for several months while were talking about the literature – we couldn’t talk about the thesis that we had personally arrived at, but we could talk about what we were reading in the French Intelligence dossier. I then would run into at Barry at the Jump-Room facility in El Segundo. I was on several jumps with him where he came through the device when I was on the surface. And there were several times when I was paired with him in an exploratory team that was headed by another Jumper by the name of Bernard Mendez, who was, more or less, an ‘old hand’ DOD kind of officer.

Who the President is, is an Indonesian national who applied for Fulbright funding & for admission to Occidental as an Indonesian, and that’s why he’s concealing his academic records, and that’s why they propagated the Birther Controversy, not only to conceal the fact he was going to Mars. Because look, after all if you say, well the President might have been born in Kenya & somebody else says, “Well, that’s nothing, he went to Mars.” Obviously, that creates the ‘giggle factor’ to discount the idea that he went to Mars.

Also, if you established ancestry through his mother & this African, this Kenyan, exchange student, that she went to the University of Hawaii with, you then establish American parentage & qualify him as a candidate for President under Article 2. The problem is, that by applying for Fulbright funding as a foreign national – the undergraduate Fulbright is only available to foreign nationals – if his academic records show that he received Fulbright funding, not as a graduate student but as an undergraduate at Occidental, that means he had to self-identify as a foreign national. If he now claims American citizenship to qualify under Article 2, he admits that he committed Federal Loan Fraud, which as a felony is an impeachable offense – as high crime or misdemeanor – is an impeachable offense under the Impeachment Clause.

So essentially, by acknowledging that he applied for academic admission, but particularly federal funding as an Indonesian national, and he was quite able to do so because he had an Indonesian passport when he returned at age 10 to Hawaii to live with his mother – Stanley Ann Dunham’s parents – she’s probably his adoptive mother, & not his birth mother – his handler, essentially, for CIA. He had an Indonesian passport & he never re-naturalized into an American as an American citizen. And it would have made sense to apply as an Indonesian national, because that would have enhanced his chances for admission under the Doctrine of Affirmative Action, but also his chance of getting a Fulbright as a son of a single mom, who did government service work which isn’t particularly lucrative. I know that from my dad’s experience.

So, that’s the reason that the Birther controversy was propagated. If that wasn’t, its what at least, what the Birther Movement has completely not understood, not listened to those of us in the Truth Movement who have been trying to share this data.

Member of the Subud Religious Oranization

The President identified himself to me as an Indonesian, that he was attending Occidental. I came into our dorm room one time & he was dressed in a red shirt & that white mufti that we see in that strange photograph. And I said, “Barry, I didn’t realize that you were an inherent to Islam.” And he said, “Well, I am & I’m not.” And I go, “What do you mean?” And, he goes, “I’m a member of a small sect that was founded in Indonesia called Subud. And so, this is the true Barack Obama. His facial physiognomy indicates, but that, of course, is not a hundred percent reliable to establish paternity. But he strongly resembles, in fact, the founder of Subud, a man by the name of Muhammad Subuh Sumohadiwidjojo. In fact, they look like the same person at different ages. But the President has more of a Javanese or an African-American caste to his physiognomy.

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Muhammad Subuh Sumohadiwidjojo
Of the Subud Sect

So, I don’t mean to diminish the President, actually, I’m an admirer of him. I’m very impressed with what he’s done with his life and his career. He’s an extremely disciplined human being & an intelligent one.

I’ve disagreed with many of his decisions – by giving the Tarp money to the banks rather than the families in foreclosure, in not rescinding the Patriot Act, in signing the NDAA & these other tyrannical bills. But the young man that I knew was certainly somebody that his mother could be proud of. He was smart. He had a good sense of humor, he had a balanced personality, he was genial, he was funny & he was courageous – he did what we did. He went to another planet!

And I’ve been talking about this a lot, hoping that the President will recognize that he had everything to gain by acknowledging he involvement in the Jump-Room Program. He was an astronaut as a young man. When we began our training, I was 18, Barry, being 45 days older, had just turned 19 in August of 1980. I would turn 19 a month later in September. And at that age, after we had done a year of college, we weren’t asked to go to a foreign land and kill people there in war, but we were asked to get into an elevator & go to a planet millions of miles away, and we did.

And so, that is the reason that the President’s background has been obscured. To describe it more generally, he has been a life-long intelligence asset. He is basically the product of CIA training, probably from early childhood, as I was, with the specialized training that we got for Pegasus, I believe he got special Project training of that nature.

Ultimately, he got specialized for the Jump-Room Program. And then, in the Summer of 1981, before we had gone to Mars, but after our training was already a year-old, the CIA put an old CIA-hand, I call him the classic “cigarette-smoking-man from the CIA”, a man by the name of Courtney Maurice Hunt. Somebody who was literally the cousin of E. Howard Hunt of JFK assassination & Watergate fame. Courtney was one of these chain-smoking CIA hands from the Korean era, his face creased in pain & worry, that dry sense of humor that would make him just cackle at the most off-color humor. And, Courtney was placed in our lives, that of Barry & I, in Los Angeles in the Summer of 1981 to prepare us for the last stages of going to Mars.

For example, he took us over to California State University, Northridge & showed us how to use our respirator for if we would need one on the surface, we ended up not needing one. There’s enough air on Mars to just about eek-out enough air to not need a special device to breathe. He took us over to – independently of each other, these visits – he took us over to Lockheed where we were at a video console where we were trained to look at a 90 or 180 angle every 30 seconds to look for predators on the surface. He showed us how to use our gun. He showed us a copy of the gun, he provided us suicide pills if we were trapped by one of the inevitable lethal predators that we would not be able to evade... So we could suicide rather than be eaten-to-death on the surface.

This was serious sh*t!

And as a Presidential Candidate, I have no compunction in terms of using an explicative to describe how serious & dangerous & profound what we were involved in. We were going to another planet where we might die going there, or die there, of starvation, exposure, predation, accident, and knowing that we would never get the millions of miles back to our homes & families.

So the President bucked-up & did that. And I saw some of that training, some of that experience, when he ran for President. The reason he won, among other reasons, is he is what I hope to be when I run in 2016 here for President, which is fearless.

People ignore that in the American Presidents, but from George Washington forward, one of the reasons we even became a great country is because our national leaders have looked to principle & they’ve attempted to be fearless in the face of adversity. Look at Washington, look at Lincoln, look at Franklin Roosevelt, look at John F Kennedy during the missile crisis. That was a trait that Barry possessed. And I think that’s one of the reasons he got to the White House.

And so, the problem is that he can’t go back & reveal what happened during those years, because he’s caught between a rock & a hard place, of either being disqualified for committing a felony – which is federal loan fraud – for informing the Fulbright Program that he was a foreign national when he wasn’t, when he was somebody born in Hawaii – just as like newspaper notification states. Or, that if does admit that he was an American & hence, was not an Indonesian, then he’s committed federal loan fraud….

John B: This is all somewhat confused… so, what happened to Loretta Fuddy, the Hawaii Health Director, who supposedly validated his birth certificate? So, if his birth certificate has been validated by the now deceased Hawaiian Health Director, how exactly does that enable him to beat the rap on his Fulbright.

Loretta Fuddy - Also a Member of Subud
All Other Passengers Survived

Andrew D Basiago: Well, the birth records had to be faked because he’s an Indonesian. Okay, Loretta Fuddy, by the way, was a member of the Subud Cult. I don’t know if you were aware of that. She was the Social Director of the Subud Group, which has about 20 thousand adherents around the world. In 2006-2008, which were the two years running up to the President’s election, as a member of the President’s religious/cult, she participated in faking the certificate of live birth because they were trying to establish that it happened in Hawaii, rather than Indonesia. He was holding the Indonesian passport.

It was either that, which is Presidential Election fraud, or its my scenario involving the rock & the hard place - between having applied as an American for foreign status under the Fulbright, or literally having been an Indonesian. That's what I am saying that they've concealed based on what I know...

John B: How has he been able to dodge both raps, then. Either he’s a foreign national, or he’s not.

Andrew D Basiago: Correct. The reason he’s been able to beat the rap, they’ve succeeded at not having it proved that he’s not an American. So, the Birthers are basically correct, but they're not aware of the significance of ostensibly innocuous evidence that should not be blocked. Why would somebody have a motive to block their academic history from their undergraduate college?

John B: Who's doing the blocking? And, who's fomenting the confusion? And Frankly, what do we care if he went to Mars?

Andrew D Basiago: Well, one of the reasons that they want to conceal his history during that time period as ultimately an operative of the CIA is that they’re afraid that if people start digging into to what he was doing in the early ‘80s, and that is 2 things that are politically damaging, one involves his own career & the other involves, basically, the extraterrestrial cover-up.

In terms of his own career, they don’t want to reveal that he’s a long-term CIA asset, that he began his career with CIA as an undergraduate at Occidental & they don’t want to reveal his involvement in the Jump Room program in the early ‘80s. After all, when I came forward with my fellow Jumper, William B Stillings and Laura Eisenhower, literally the great grand daughter of President Eisenhower, on radio in November of 2011, that’s when the President’s National Security Council planted that story in Wired.com ridiculing our claims.

Now, I say to you John, that if what we were alleging could have been readily dismissed as a conspiracy theory & an urban legend, then why would they have literally defamed some Americans who were coming forward with that information? Why would they have even addressed the issue if what we were saying was a conspiracy theory or an urban legend? In fact, they crafted this facetious joke. And I was actually ridiculed as… that’s what a "secret chronanaut" wants you to know about the President, when in fact I helped pioneer time-travel for the country.

So, my point here is that there is a cover-up involving Barack Obama. It goes to his identity. Steven Pidgeon, an attorney in the State where I am licensed, namely the State of Washington, where I practice, states that MI6 has determined Stanley M Dunham was not the President’s biological mother. I have him describing himself to me as an Indonesian and using his Indonesian name… you know, “I’m an exchange student at Occidental.” We have the Certificate of Live Birth clearly being Photoshopped under the egious of a member of his religious organization who later dies mysteriously in a small plane crash in Hawaii that everybody else aboard survives.

John B: Yeah, with Navy Divers all over the place, in the water.

Andrew D Basiago: Yeah. So, I’m just adding the additional information. For example, the Columbia connection… this is something I can directly speak to based on literally what happened in my life at that time, and also what occurred in the President’s life, based on our immersion in the Jump Room Program.

When we were being trained by Courtney Hunt in Summer of ’81, at the end of the Summer, he instructed us to put through an inter-campus transfer to Columbia, because basically, shadow enrollment at Columbia University in New York City would be used as a cover for activities in the Jump Room Program & then other activities that the CIA wanted to use us for. I know that he [Obama] went to Pakistan. Courtney had several… I’m a 100% Polish-American on my father’s side, I have a Polish surname, Courtney had talked about dropping me into Poland right here in the wake of Lech Walesa's emergence as a Solidarity Leader. So, they want to use for other CIA functions. They were going to shadow list us as Political Science undergraduates. Barry agreed to put through that inter-campus transfer & jump to Columbia from Occidental.

I had just transferred from UC San Diego to UCLA & I said, “No, Courtney, I don’t want to transfer to a third school. I want to complete my undergraduate education here at UCLA. I didn’t take the opportunity to go to Columbia. Has I done so, I would not have to attend the next three years of classes, because I ended up being a 5th year at UCLA...

So anyway, when two of his, not just his classmates, but two individuals who were in his degree program, what would have been my Poli-Sci degree program at Columbia, as well – Wayne Allyn Root, who was the Vice Presidential nominee of the Libertarian Party in 2008, and George Stephanopoulos, formerly of the Clinton Administration, now with ABC News. When they pulled hundreds of their classmates and, indeed, individuals who were Poly-Sci majors in the class of '83 at Columbia, they could not place Barrack Obama in New York City during those years of 1981-83, and I can provide the reason. The reason is that Columbia was used as a cover, by the CIA, with the duplicity of Columbia, to create a pretext to conceal the President’s activities on behalf of the CIA.

John B: I long suspected that Frank Marshall Davis was actually CIA. What do you think?

Frank Marshall Davis

Andrew D Basiago: I don’t know who Frank Marshall Davis was, he could have been an authentic African-American Communist. He was certainly somebody that Obama’s mother was involved with. I think the best way we can view Stanley Ann Dunham is as career CIA, who among one of her skills was dating & marrying internationally & inter-racially to gather intelligence for CIA. Because if you look at the 3 men that we know she was involved with, they were Frank Marshall Davis, a leading pan-African, African-American Communist & Communist Party member. Certainly, a target of Cointel-Pro infiltration by CIA & FBI during those years.

We have Mr. Obama in Kenya who was the son & grandson of two leaders of Kenya, and somebody who found a fairly high-placed position in the Economics Ministry – the Development Ministry of Kenya, a key strategic country to the CIA, being one of the leading political nations of that era & certainly today.

And then, Indonesia, in a time of crisis & transition between Sukarno & Suharto in the whole attempt by CIA to topple the more populist government & replace him with a military tyrant who led to a genocide there that took the lives of two million Indonesians.

Stanley Ann Dunham

So, the woman, Stanley Ann Dunham, who was either his biological mother, or as MI-6 concluded, was not his biological mother, but his adoptive mother, was somebody who had been with CIA for many years & was deployed internationally on behalf of the CIA in infiltrating foreign governments.

But what the public doesn’t know, and what the Birthers refuse to address is that she [Stanley Ann Dunham] and her “son”, Barry, sat there with us for the three and a half (3-1/2) weeks that we were trained for Mars. He participated in the CIA’s Threat Assessment about the Martian-Humanoid civilization, there may be some written record of that at the CIA that could be unearthed. And he then made probably about as many Jumps to Mars as I had made – about 40. Because we had several training Jumps beginning there in Summer of ’81, a number of Exploratory Missions, I mentioned how I was either with him under Bernard Mendez, or I was with William B Stillings under Courtney Hunt during the Exploratory Missions. There were perhaps 10 Exploratory Missions where we would dig in the ground & look at rocks & study flora & fauna, and so forth, and just look around and investigate the environment, there, in the nature of the Apollo Astronauts.

And then, I had at least about 30 additional Jumps where I was taking a computer disc from a Rand subsidiary in West Los Angeles over to El Segundo, and up to a telecommunications post on Mars via Jump Room. I would walk about three quarters of a mile from the Jump Room facility is & hand this information off to a telecommunications officer there on the surface.

So, this is the hidden history of the President. It’ll be the hidden history of my Presidency, if the American people in their wisdom decide to elect me their President. But its something that needs to be told, because it goes to the people's understanding of the true technical history of our great country. And that’s why I am speaking out.

John B: Extraordinary – Andrew D Basiago. We’ll be back.

(to be continued)

[Bill Ryan]

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Many thanks for these downloads. I changed the thread title to 'John B Wells interview downloads (Barrie Trower, Jim Willie, Andy Basiago, and more)', to make it more easily searchable (searching thread titles for 'Trower', for instance) — and also helping us all know what the thread is about.

I'd missed it earlier because 'C-2-M' didn't strike an immediate chord with me. But 'Barrie Trower' in the thread title would have brought the importance to my attention straight away.
John Wells is certainly one of the better radio hosts out there. Thank you again.

[Cidersomerset]

The funny thing I started listening to J B Wells interview yesterday and his voice is great...

For those of a certain age it reminds me of the voice of the 'Mysterons'..LOL

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Vs13rCqfH9k

I'm listening to the Andrew Basiago interview ,who I have not heard
from for a while. Though many question his material especially as
most of it seems to be retrieved memory, But it is a case that
has interrested me since he came out roughly the same time I
got really down the rabbit hole.

[turiya]

Thanks, Cidersomerset. Yes, the first time I heard him was on a 2009 C2C interview. I sensed the authenticity & sincerity in his voice. Its been a while, but he's coming out with much more than he had with Coast2Coast. Must be his memory has come back significantly. I believe I would definitely vote for him when the time presents itself.

[turiya]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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Many thanks for these downloads. I changed the thread title to 'John B Wells interview downloads (Barrie Trower, Jim Willie, Andy Basiago, and more)', to make it more easily searchable (searching thread titles for 'Trower', for instance) — and also helping us all know what the thread is about.

I'd missed it earlier because 'C-2-M' didn't strike an immediate chord with me. But 'Barrie Trower' in the thread title would have brought the importance to my attention straight away.
John Wells is certainly one of the better radio hosts out there. Thank you again.

As I remarked in the PM back to you:

Thanks, Bill. I was trying to keep it somewhat incognito...

In that Andrew D Basiago interview, there is a small segment where he addresses Project Camelot, Kerry Cassidy & you, Bill. I do plan on getting there when time permits. It was a 3 hour interview. What I posted, thus far was the first hour.

Cheers.
turiya

[turiya]

Andrew D Basiago Interview Part 2
2/12/2015


Vortal Teleportation





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John B: Alright. Andrew Basiago, when we paused a moment ago… Do you want to just make a clarification on the Fulbright violation, or the citizenship violation?

Andrew D Basiago: Right, it is convoluted. And it involves basically the President being caught between a rock & a hard place… If he, as I believe, because he was identifying himself as an Indonesian national to me, attending Occidental College as a foreign student. If he, in fact, applied for funding from the Fulbright Program, which is a U.S. Educational Loan Program enacted by Congress, as a foreign national and was an American, he committed federal loan fraud.

So, his defense from that charge would be, “Well, wait a minute, man, I was an Indonesian. I was entitled under the enabling legislation for the Fulbright Program because I was either a foreign undergraduate, or an American graduate student who would be traveling overseas to study. But then if he does that, if he chooses that defense against an impeachable offense, namely federal loan fraud, which is a felony – a high crime or misdermernor under the Impeachment Clause, he then disqualifies himself as being a Naturally Born American under Article Two, which is the necessary qualification to be President. So, that is why they can not release his Occidental academic records, because they readily show, for example, your place of birth, your nationality, there’s going to be information about loans received. Even if the word ‘Fulbright’ is on his undergraduate record, because undergraduate American students can not receive Fulbright funding.

The word ‘Fulbright’ on his academic record would mean that the President could be impeached for the high crime or misdemeanor of federal loan fraud. But his defense, that being was he was an Indonesian, would in turn disqualify from being an American under Article Two.

So, that’s the interlocking dichotomy that I was trying to articulate. Its somewhat convoluted, but because of that fact, they can’t release his academic records. Now, think what could be in academic records: The basic information about yourself, maybe your academic loan history, any disciplinary history, and then your classes & grades.

Nobody has ever alleged that the President did anything else, in the nature of a misdemeanor or a felony while enrolled at Occidental. It doesn’t look like he was in any kind of drug or alcohol diversion program. It doesn’t mean he was a terrible student. He wasn’t really an ‘A’ student. But then, not all of our Presidents have been, I mean, how many books did Abraham Lincoln even read before becoming President?

Some of our Presidents have been very well educated in areas, but some have just been from the common citizenry. And the person has not been necessarily very academically gifted – look at, let’s say, Lyndon Johnson. He certainly didn’t have the mind that John Kennedy had, in terms of his grasp of history, and a real seriousness about learning.

Okay, so I can’t imagine anything that would be in the President’s academic history from Occidental that they would want to conceal, unless it was necessary to conceal to protect his Presidency. And, in light of the fact that he identified himself to me as an Indonesian, as a foreign student at Occidental, that I believe is what has happened. And that would explain why he so…

And, you asked, who has done this, who’s concealed his academic history?

He has, with the duplicity of his college. And the strange thing when I tracked this in the newspapers is that several years ago, the President of Occidental College stated that he was enrolled as “Barry Obama”. Well, if that’s the case, why did he introduce himself to me, in the Summer of ’81, when he had just done a year at Occidental as “Barry Soetoro”. And what do we make of the claim of attorney Steven Pidgeon [video] in Washington State, that the President changed his name to Barack Hussein Obama on October 14th 1982, before a Common Law Court in the Province of British Columbia, Canada, and didn’t change from Barry Soetoro to Barack Obama, but from Barack Muneer Ubayd to Barack Hussein Obama. Could that have been related to his work with the CIA? And their use of him to travel to Pakistan at the time that there was State Department travel ban forbidding Americans from traveling to Pakistan.

My point is that what the Obama Administration has been concealing is the period during his college when he joined the CIA. I ended up not doing espionage for CIA, I ended not transferring to Columbia in the Fall of ’81. I wasn’t sent to Poland, although with a mustache I might look like Lech Walesa's nephew. I ended up just working for the CIA in the Jump Room Program, but so did the President. And this is what the Birther Movement doesn’t want to confront, as if its too “Buck Rogers” or something.

Well, wait a minute, as I said at the outset of the show, this government has spent trillions of dollars involved in classified Defense work of a very advanced esoteric nature. In fact, I’d like to say that they’re willing to spend billions of dollars on things like the Mars Rover Program to conceal trillion dollar programs – like the fact that by the late ‘70s they had Space Elevators that they could use to send somebody from Earth to another planet, so long as that the environment was hospitable when they got there.

John B: Who set up the bases on Mars, Andrew? And how long ago?

Andrew D Basiago: I learned in my research – I’ve been investigating my childhood time-travel experiences & my college Jump Room experiences since 2000. And I learned that the Jump Room Program was a joint venture between the Ralf M Parsons Co. near Pasadena – my father’s employer – and Lockheed Skunkworks of Burbank, CA, the employer of my fellow U.S. Chrononaut, William B Stillings. A man by the name of Thomas J Stillings, who like I, had graduated from a naval post-graduate school seminar. I attended one ancillary to my course of studies in history when I was at UCLA.

In any case, the Jump Room Program was a joint venture of those two leading Defense Contractors. Parsons is one of the leading & largest & most accomplished Process Engineering Companies in the world. And Lockheed is one of our more ‘nuts & bolts’ leading aerospace companies.

John B: Oh yeah, their always making crazy stuff – its great.

Andrew D Basiago: Oh, absolutely. When the CEO, Ben Rich, when the last major CEO of Lockheed died several years ago, he gave an interview, in which he stated: “Anything you imagine that we could have built, we have built. We now have the technology to take ET home.” Well, that was said almost 30 years after the Jump Rooms were developed.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=u9ZZekWMiUQ

So, if this seems like science fictions, consider that statement by the former CEO of the very company that worked with Parsons of Pasadena to develop the Jump Rooms.

John B: Well, let me ask you this, Andrew… People are frequently saying that they don’t believe that we went to the Moon at all, did we? And then recently, there was something about, “We’re actually able to pass through all three Van Allen Radiation Belts…

Andrew D Basiago: Well, let me tell you what Buzz Aldrin said, because Brett Stillings & I were camping at the campground on the north shore of Lake Siskiyou within close visual proximity of beautiful Mount Shasta in the days of the weekend leading up to when we were placed in the training program under Ed Dames at College of the Siskiyous that Barack Obama, Regina Dugan & others were enrolled in.

And precisely at 1 o’clock on Sunday, our fathers stood up in the campsite & began walking diagonally across the campgrounds. Brett Stillings & I ran ahead our dads, and entered the campsite that they were walking to, we could see visually that they were walking to, first. And we were greeted between a camper & an automobile by somebody we recognized – somebody we recognized from our childhood, as youngsters during the ‘60s, during the Lunar Landing, as Edwin Eugene Aldrin Jr., namely Buzz Aldrin – the second man to walk on the Moon.

And he shook our hands saying, “Andy, Brett, please to meet you, fellows. Well, let me tell you, you are going to be doing something that I did a few years back, and that is go off planet. And let me tell you boys, its going to be an experience of a lifetime.” And then, by then, our fathers had joined the three of us.

Now, in order for the Lunar Landing to have been faked, or to not have happened, Buzz Aldrin had to be so circumspect about always lying, that he would have misinformed several teenagers from Southern California upon meeting them, at the campground at Lake Siskiyou, knowing that the next morning they were going to be dropped in a class to be prepared to go to Mars. And since we did go to Mars, and I can personally testify to that fact, and I know what happened. And after I came forward publicly, I was joined, and my facts & my claims were corroborated by my fellow Jumpers, William P Stillings & Bernard Mendez.

We haven’t even approached Regina Dugan, yet. We’ve had a denial from the President, even though our account could have been dismissed as a conspiracy theory. And I have now have identified 17 people who served in the Jump Room Program.

On one Jump, I went to Mars with Bernard Mendez & Regina, with another Eisenhower – not Laura, but her aunt, Mary Jean Eisenhower. And when I asked her her name before the Jump, I said, “Are you descendent from President Eisenhower & Mamie Eisenhower? And she said, “Yep, the one & only.”

Mary Jean is a pretty exceptional person. She went on to be the President of the People to People Ambassadors Program that her grandfather founded.

Another individual that Bernard Mendez & I met on the surface of Mars was Admiral Stansfield Turner, who had just served as Jimmy Carter’s Director of Central Intelligence.

So, there were prominent people involved with this. But my point about the Lunar Landing is for Buzz Aldrin to have been lying all these years, he would have to keep his demeanor up & continue to lie to two teenagers that he knew were just going to be sent to Mars.

And so, look, jumping to the Moon in a rocket is child’s play compared to teleporting somebody millions & millions & millions of miles to another moving object out there called Mars. So sure, we went to the Moon. My own dad showed me the Lunar Landing schematics when he was teaching me to read – I had a learning disability – and he taught me how to read when he would come home from work each night. At that point, I guess he had already had gone to Parsons. But he was originally scheduled to work on the instrumentation for the Lunar Module. And he showed me the schematics that were labeled “Lunar Landing Assembly Process”, that showed the LAM [Lunar Ascent Module(?)] being extruded out of the back of the Command Module & then turning around & being put on the front of the Command Module. And then being brought towards the surface, then landing on the surface, like a little mosquito, as my dad described it, on its landing gear.

So, what would they have been wasting millions of dollars preparing Parsons personnel to do the instrumentation, if it wasn’t a real Landing program. I’m not buying it. My dad certainly knew it was a real Landing Program, because he had undergone the FBI background investigation to work on the instrumentation. And then it went to, I think the bid went to Gruman rather than Parsons, and he was very disappointed that he didn’t have that opportunity on the LAM.

John B: Didn’t Buzz take a swing at somebody for suggesting that it never happened?

Andrew D Basiago: Yes, about 10 or 15 years ago, he took a swing at the filmmaker, Bart Sibrel who got right in his face & asked why he was lying.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=wptn5RE2I-k

And, I know the feeling. Everyday on Facebook, I am called a liar, or a crank, or a kook, or somebody perpetrating a hoax for commercial purposes by individuals who weren’t even born when I was time-traveling. Some of them weren’t even born when I was going to Mars. Where is the respect, where is the respect for accomplishment. Why don’t we have the standing, to be able to be recognized for what we did for our country… as President Kennedy asked us to do: “Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country.”

Well, I’m still defending what I did for my country 30-40 years ago, because this government is addicted to secrecy.

Because the America that we were suppose to become… the NASA that was suppose to result – the primary mission that NASA was given in its 1958 enabling legislation was to foster the expansion the human knowledge of space. Well, how can they do that, when they’re even covering up our space programs.

John B: That’s a good question… Let me ask you this, you know this fellow, Richard Hoagland, I’ve spoken with many times… All these photographs that there is & he’s saying, “Look at this, this doesn’t look real, this looks like a can, and this over there looks like apartments, and this looks like a grill off of somebody’s window, or their air conditioning unit, or something like that – I’m paraphrasing a little, but not much… So what happened up there? It looked like something bad happened…

Andrew D Basiago: Well Richard has been a huge critique of mine, because I came along in 2008 & stole his thunder by publishing the first written work to show images of humanoid & animal life forms, including the first pictures from another planet to show humanoid beings – not from Earth, or on Earth.

But he has done a lot of legitimate research over the years, and I think wouldn’t be citing him out of class, as it were, if I said that based on an email that he wrote to Alfred Lambremont Webre & Robert Morningstar – Richard Hoagland’s view of Mars is that it’s a vast muddy wasteland that once harbored an advance civilization.

That’s not the case. Mars is inhabited with five different types of humanoids. And there are already American & personnel from other countries that have colonized Mars & are living there. But we were going there when the Jump Room facilities were there, but there weren’t large colony buildings.

But he’s right, there’s a lot of debris in the mud. It is a vast muddy wasteland, but the problem is it’s a vast muddy wasteland in which several humanoid species, about 30 major land animals & some vegetation survived, where the indigenous Martian moved primarily underground. And yet, we have pictures. My research organization that I founded in 2008 – the Mars Anomaly Research Society or MARS, has found numerous details showing the humanoid & animal presence on Mars, the ancient artifacts. Its really… the sci-fi element is not that there’s life there, its not there are humans from Earth there, having taken either advanced space planes, as Randy Cramer did. Or, the Jump Room, as those of us who went earlier did. The real amazing story about Mars is it looks like a fantastic conception that would be difficult to imagine – a Bradbury, a Heinlein, or a Clark – about the business of populating our imagination with what Mars might be like.

Its really quite fascinating. Its basically a desert planet, that is as Hoagland states – “a vast muddy wasteland.” But its an inhabited wasteland, it’s a desert. And it was much richer in antiquity, there is debris from advanced facilities on the surface that NASA is showing. But they’re not showing the Jump Room facilities that I saw, that in fact, I was received by on the surface. And the colony buildings that others claim are now on the surface.

John B: What about all these photographs is like Mars is the ‘Red Planet’? Okay, great! And so the first images that we saw… well the most recent color images with the Rover up there & all. Its like. “Oh look, its all pink, its red just like they say it’s the ‘Red Planet’.” And then the later ones, “Well no, it looks more like New Mexico.” So what color is it?

Andrew D Basiago: Well, in fact, what NASA has been doing since Viking is turning up the red. Remember the original Viking image, it looked like a color photograph that somebody had spilled their tomato soup on at lunch. It looked like they had taken a tissue or a sponge and spread red pigment over the whole picture, so that it wasn’t the Red, White & Blue flag on the side of the Viking. It was the Orange, Beige & Purple. And the sky looked redish. They have simply been manipulating the color. And I think their goal there is to conceal the fact that Mars has a blue sky.

We know from simple high school & college atmospheric studies that the reason the sky is blue is because the atmosphere possesses oxygen, and oxygen is a clear gas that refracts blue. So the reason for the color cover-up with Mars is that they are concealing the blue sky. And I claimed that the Mars I visited had a blue sky, before researchers in the Mars Anomaly Research Community uncovered untouched photographs from NASA that showed the blue sky. It looks like a desert with a sort of a baby-blue sky, sort of like the Arizona desert where there’s some inversion in the morning – you got a little bit of cloud cover that’s making a little bit less cerulean blue than it can be at high noon.

John B: What would be the harm in us knowing that it had a blue-ish sky?

Andrew D Basiago: That would indicate that it has oxygen in its atmosphere, which they’ve also been lying about, and hence that it could be inhabited & we could go to it. Now, in terms of the rest of the planet, its not uniformly rust red, although it is rust red in many places, or in a significant amount of its terrain, because of the presence of iron oxides in its soil, stemming from the Solar System catastrophe that devastated Mars around 11,500 years ago, which also battered Earth.

So, it is rich in iron & is rusting, but it doesn’t all look the red-rust soil that we find, let’s say, around Sedona, Arizona. There are stretches of Mars that have beige colored soil, more of a darker brown soil, like petrified wood, and a sort of salmon colored soil, like a clay that’s been bleached by water, which would have occurred during one of the floods that followed the catastrophe.

So, they’re concealing, really, a couple things: One is that we’re living in the second civilization on Earth, and the first civilization reached Mars. That Mars was inhabited in antiquity. That the level of development in the first civilization on Earth was advanced enough to reach Mars, and it reached Mars.

My research organization, MARS, has found, for example, the intaglio of the face of a pharaoh on a rock or piece of metal that was photographed by the Rover Spirit, in 2012. And so, they’re also concealing the fact that Mars has oxygen, which means, not only that it can have, and does have, an indigenous biosphere. The oxygen, by the way, according Courtney Hunt of the CIA, he told me that the oxygen is leaching from the lithosphere – namely the rocks on Mars. Many of which could be igneous, that is to say, fire-formed as a result of the Solar System catastrophe – whatever it was pummeled by from space.

And I would recommend Graham Hancock’s excellent work, The Mars Mystery to explore the event that damaged Mars so severely in antiquity. But the oxygen is seeping from its rocks & its underground. And, Mars is oxygen-dense enough to support several hours of locomotion on the surface by a healthy young human being. I was certainly in peak physical fitness when I was age 19-22.

John B: You don’t need a suit?

Andrew D Basiago: We had our street clothes & given a respirator & I was able to dispense with using the respirator, and I was able to breathe on the surface. And we had no specialized clothing, we could wear our street clothes.

John B: Now, Andrew, man, listen now. You realize this is going to be quite a large dose for people to take.

Andrew D Basiago: Well, here’s the problem, John. Its just my karma. I was… for some reason, in this lifetime, I was given a set of life events that required, that I not only be courageous, but I stand my ground & speak the truth. That’s all I can do.

I know that some aspects of these accounts may strain people’s credulity, because in the case… I know where you’re going with this… You’re saying that the science data says that there’s insufficient oxygen… That there’s only 8 millibars of pressure on Mars, that its so cold or hot that you would have been turned into an icicle or incinerated. The problem…

John B: I’m not really saying that. I not saying that I don’t believe. I’m just saying, “Wow”, for some people they’re going go “Bravo Sierra, get the bleep out of here, shut-up,” you know, they’re going to do all of that.

Andrew D Basiago: I know, but the problem is that… Look, our position is that we were trained to go to Mars, that the program believed we were going to Mars, and we went to where they were sending. There’s always the problem of error. I mean, how do we know that the footage from the Moon isn’t from a planetoid that’s on the backside of the Moon.

John B: That’s the most annoying part, we don’t know anything to absolutely, completely true.

Andrew D Basiago: We only know Abraham Lincoln existed through pictures & literature, right.

John B: That’s right.

Andrew D Basiago: Although, I saw him during my time-travel days. So, I’m able to say, yes, he existed. But most people have no way of knowing about him, except through the claims of others. So it is with our claims.

We’re sincere because we went, because we loved our country, our country asked us to do astonishing things, things that required danger, that required courage, we did so. And we simply now want to be paid. We weren’t paid.

I gave my country eight years of service for which I was not covered under the GI Bill, and didn’t even receive a salary. So we received no salary, no benefits. I wouldn’t have any academic debt if I had been covered by the GI Bill of Rights when I was in the program, and I wasn’t.

So, injustices occurred that need to be righted. But our overarching concern is simply to tell people what happened, so they have a proper reckoning of the history of the Space Program. It included a time-space component, and human beings have already been Mars. NASA has been lying to American people since its creation. There was a decision made inside the U.S. government in a multi-agency basis to use NASA as the overt agency that would identify relatively easily achievable goals that would be made public & we would achieve them to win the propaganda war with the Soviet Union & bolster the confidence of the people. Things like the Lunar Landing under NASA. Simultaneously, there would be a covert program – a Secret Space Program – under DARPA & CIA, ultimately it was placed entirely under CIA that would use more advance means to do more remarkable things in space. We’ve been placing personnel on Mars, first via rocketry by no later than 1964.

Why do I know that?

Because, when we were doing the Threat Assessment by reading the 4 inches of French Intelligence documents and drafting our hypothesis about whether the Martian humanoid civilization presented a threat to our human civilization on Earth, there was an anecdote that stated that in 1964, two American astronauts had landed on the surface of Mars via rocket & were languishing & that our government had contacted the Martian humanoid civilization – must have been using some advance form of radio – and the Martian humanoids had agreed to rescue our two personnel. Clearly, they were probably suffering, either they were injured, or they were suffering from exposure conditions out in the Martian desert, a lot of Mars is desert, most of it is desert. They agreed, but then the Martian humanoids, their government reneged on that promise.

So that account in the French dossier that we were given indicated that whatever we can say about the infamous claim that we landed on Mars in 1962 as reported in the BBC production “Alternative 3”. We were definitely there via rockets by 1964, that was 5 years before the Lunar Landing.

John B: Why do you reckon did they ever created NASA, or did you already answer this question, why it didn’t just stay with the Air Force, so you could have a sort of official PR firm out there, in the form of NASA, but behind the scenes, the Air Force is still actually running the true program? I guess that’s it.

Andrew D Basiago: Well, NASA is a military agency, its not strictly run by the Air Force, because remember, a lot of the astronauts have been former Navy fighter pilots & test pilots. Even the U.S. Chrononaut that I served with, William Cameron McCool, went on to become, after graduating from the Naval Academy in Anapolis, became a test pilot & then became a NASA astronaut & space shuttle pilot in 1996, when we were 35, and then died tragically on February 1 of 2003 as the pilot aboard Space Shuttle Columbia.

So, there’s also been a major Navy input into the Space Program. And NASA remains a military agency. I think the goal was to create an agency that would marshal the forces of the country, to think about space as an environment that we were now going to – like traveling under the world’s oceans. And that it would remain a military agency so that they could engage in peaceful activities in space, as well as military preparedness.

But there was always that military secrecy. And also the brainwashing of the astronauts & so forth that resulted from that secrecy-oriented military culture that ultimately is NASA. NASA is a military agency. And that’s one of the reasons that this cover-up has been perpetrated.

On the time-space side, on the side of the covert space program, involving time-space devices, like teleporters, Chronovisors and Jump Rooms. A lot of the space contractors that were tapped to build those devices were steeped to the billions of dollars in weapons development. I mean, Parsons, the very Defense contractor that gave the U.S. government time-travel, also developed the MX missile system for the U.S. military.

So, with those two inputs, you know, the personnel being former Air Force & Navy test pilots, and then the Defense contractors involved being weapons manufacturers, both the overt & the covert Space Programs under NASA & CIA, respectively, have been steeped in military secrecy.

John B: Yeah. Alright, now let me ask you this, let’s go back to Barry Soetoro. How did they pick this man, one more time. I mean, in other words, as far as your fellow Jumpers are concerned, what was… I presume they were all… the Intelligence Services gathered them together… your dad was a connected guy. And so, were all the of the people involved with this… surely that must be the answer to this. So, all the kids that were involved in the program had fathers or mothers, or both, that were connected people, and that’s how they were able to be pulled into this?

Andrew D Basiago: No, not all of them did. I mean, Willie McCool’s father was a college professor in Texas. They were looking for some people with certain traits. First, they wanted… now this, by the way, according to Bernard Mendez, who was somewhat older than us. I think our average age at initiation of training was 17. Bernard Mendez, when he joined us in 1980, was about 35, and maybe 30, definitely beyond college age. He explained to me that there were a set of traits that they wanted. They wanted high intelligence, because there might be technical training that we would master. The wanted people that were naturally inquisitive, so that we would explore the surface when we got there. They wanted people that were technically ingenious – remember, Aldrin got Armstrong & Aldrin off the Moon by jerry-rigging his hand control with a Bic pen, because it had broken & they were almost stranded in the Lunar Module on their Launch Pad on the Moon & they would have not been able to blast-off & go up to the Command Module.

So, they wanted people in childhood who had demonstrated enough technical ingenuity to improvise the repair of equipment, I could tell you a story or two about that in my life… certainly, that was trait that Brett possessed. They wanted cooperative type-B individuals, who wouldn’t, for example, run up the hill & say, “Look, I’m the king of the hill, I got here first!” They wanted people who would not compete, but cooperate, who had a love for nature, and had done a lot of camping in their childhood.

But then, there was also an odd trait, that he mentioned, they wanted to select people who possessed grandiosity. Now, I don’t know if they were using Chronovision to identify our illustrious lives in the future, or whether they were just looking for grandiosity as a psychological trait, because look at the 5 of the 10 that I’ve been able to identify. In addition to myself as a crusading lawyer, and public figure that is running for President. The others consist of…. I mean, Barry has become President, the first black President in American history.

John B: Well, half-black, anyway.

Andrew D Basiago: Well, he may be Javenese, but certainly the first person believed to be an African American to win the Presidency twice.

John B: Perfectly put.

Andrew D Basiago: Regina Dugan became the first woman to be appointed the Director of DARPA, which is a distinguished position, in & of itself. And then Willie became a NASA astronaut, and then Brett, of course, is a technical prodigy.

So, in looking for grandiosity, I don’t know whether they went forward, and said, “Well, lets pick these famous Americans from the future & involve them in this when they’re in their college years. Or, whether they just looking for grandiosity in our psychological profile, because they knew that they were sending us to another planet, so they wanted people who had a big enough view of themselves that they could buck-up & not crack-up a million miles from home.

John B: Let me ask you this. I’m a little confused here, was… I mean, you’ve expressed a great deal of admiration for our President. I don’t share any admiration for him at all, because I am very suspicious of his origins, his backers, his upbringing, his indoctrination, his funders & everything else. I am also appalled at the things he has done to this country. I am not a supporter of this person. And I can tell you that he may be… people say, POTUS, President of the United States. I’m thinking its more like PUTO & that would be President Under Title Only. But apart from that, so which is it, this person was groomed to be President, or they looked into the future, determined that he had become President & thought, “Ahhh… Okay, here’s our guy.” I mean, I playing devils-advocate, here. Because, just because somebody says something, it doesn’t mean I necessarily buy it, even though they may have the best of intentions. So, they’re looking you as crusading lawyer, and goes, “This guy has… he’s got a go get ‘em kind of attitude. So this is good.” I mean, I’m not connecting the dots, here.

Andrew D Basiago: Sorry, let me distinguish your set up first, because I don’t want to be misunderstood. I’m being true to what happened. I’m being to reality. All I was saying was that, if you look at the caliber of young persons selected, the Barry Soetoro that I knew was one of the better people I met during my college years. That’s all what I was saying. In fact, I also disagree with most of his decisions. I think he’s been a disastrous President, I’ve disagreed with virtually everything he’s done. On the one hand I’m a Washington Democrat, but I over the years, I sort of evolved into a progressive Libertarian, as Gerald Celente had recently put it. I tend to draw my political thinking from both the dissatisfied left & right – let’s say, on social justice & on taxation.

I do not approve of this President, and I am not a supporter of his. I was simply describing the caliber of college student that I met when I met him 34 years ago.

John B: That’s fair, and I’m glad you clarified it.

Andrew D Basiago: Actually 35 years ago, this August. But your question is a good one & it goes to speculation that’s been made about the Presidency itself. For example, the researcher, David Icke, has stated: “American Presidents are not elected by ballot, they’re selected by blood.” And then people have said that every President but Van Buren has been descended from John Lackland Plantagenet, the English King when the Magna Carta was signed in 1215. Well, that is tantamount to saying, if you go back 800 years, that every U.S. President has had some Western European blood. I understand those issues because I investigated my own ancestry.

So, let me say that David Icke is not correct. And in fact, even though we’ve been in possession of quantum access & hence the identification of future Presidents since the Nixon Administration, American Presidents are not identified by time-travel technologies & then selected, they are simply identified in the future as American Presidents. And what the government has been doing is involving those individuals as young men in CIA activities.

So, something nefarious has happened, but it doesn’t involve selecting the President based on blood, nor does it involve selecting the President based on seeing them in the future. It involves identifying them, utilizing quantum access, as future Presidents, and them involving them in the secret activities of the U.S. Intelligence community.

For example, they involved Bill Clinton in the anti-war movement in England, so he could spy on it. They then used him to look the other way when he was the governor of Arkansas, when they used the Mena airstrip in Mena, Arkansas for that illegal, unconstitutional Iran Contra re-supply network.

We’ve had a CIA President, namely George H W Bush & his son. In the case of Barack Obama, I mentioned the trip to Pakistan when it was illegal under the State Department ban on traveling to Pakistan in 1981.

That’s what’s been happening. They haven’t been engaged in ‘king-making’. They’ve been engaged in seeing who’s President in the future, then apprising them of their Presidency decades in advance, working with them to either give them additional training or capability as individuals, or to compromise them in criminal activities so they can be manipulated when in office. And then, they themselves have stood for election & won. But in the case of George W Bush, William J Clinton & Barack H Obama – those three men ran, knowing decades in advance they were the winner.

So, another untoward effect that has occurred, here, which is contrary to the Constitutional protocol, by which we are endowed with the right to select our leader. And that the winners of a Presidential elections now know who they are & hence, when they announce for running for the Presidency, they have a winners confidence.

For example, I haven’t announced yet, but I know at some point in my life I serve as President. I was not told that I would win the 2016 election, or any specific election. I was just informed that I was destined to be President some day.

So, that’s what’s been happening. They have been identifying, from their ability to “tap” the future who becomes President & they brief them on that fact, and give them at a minimum some specialized training, and sometimes it looks like they try to compromise them in their illegal activities.

The American people have a right to know that, because we have a right to the proper functioning of our Constitution. That is to say, the Framers of the Constitution could not have anticipated that the way in which the President is selected would be influenced in an untoward way by time-travel having emerged 200 years after the founding of the country.

John B: Well, you know time-travel is not that much of a stretch, considering everything that has happened, and so forth, and technology being… I thought it was thirty [years]… and people that I would talk to during the course of many programs convinced me that I should probably raise it another ten years… so I began to embrace 40 [years advanced]… And then, I recently spoke with someone & he said, “Oh, no, no, no, no, no… its like thousands of years beyond where you think it is… where you think it is, now, its actually thousands of years…

Andrew D Basiago: Well, we have evidence how the high Egyptian got to Mars, but we’ve retrieved, literally, the fingerprint of their civilization on Mars. Its conceivable that some of those hyroglyfs that show individuals essentially leaping between two columns, which may have been their teleporters.

John B: Is that amazing. I mean, it really is. There are all sorts of clues left around, and people go “Oh, that’s interesting.” We don’t really know how interesting it truly is. Its absolutely amazing…

Did you meet some of the indigenous population of the ‘Red’ planet, Mars.

Andrew D Basiago: Yes, and again, this is the sporadic nature of service in secret Defense projects, or Defense technical projects, that give each us sort of an incomplete exposure to the essential data. Let me first describe the five types...

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Andrew D Basiago Interview Part 3
2/12/2015

Part3

The Second Type: Indigenous Martians,
I call them "homo martis martis", for Martian Man on Mars,
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(similar to Max Shreck's character in the 1922 film "Nosferatu")

"They are smaller than us, they have spindler bodies, longer heads, pointier heads, pointier ears, more jagged teeth & a kind of a shy or recondite, almost a paranoid kind of personality."

Andrew D Basiago: There are five types of Martian humanoids:

The first type are the descendents of our Earthling presence on Mars that was put there before the catastrophe – 11,500 years ago. They’re basically our genetic cousins. They look like us. But on average, as to the man or woman, they look a little bit more homely than us, because they’ve been breeding in a much smaller breeding colony – much smaller gene pool, of about a million. And they’re also homely because they & they’re ancestors have lived underground, for 10 millenia – for over ten thousand years. So, they’re very pasty faced, with no melanin in their skin.

Curiously, this Earthling-like Martian humanoid, that I call “homo martis terris”, or Earth man on Mars, looks a lot alike different characters that have cropped up during the post-War era in American films & on American television. I would cite individuals like Uncle Festus on the Adams Family – the Jackie Cougan character. Individuals like Dr Evil, as played by Mike Meyers in the Austin Powers films. Zippy the pinhead in the cartoons, yeah Zippy the Pinhead is a Martian, at least he is a media proxy for the Martian humanoids that are literally our genetic cousins. And unless something caused their DNA to mutate during those 11,500 years separated from our planet, and whatever period their ancestors were breeding in isolation from their home planet, here.

I believe that they could probably breed with contemporary humans. If individuals from distant locations on Earth who’s gametes haven’t resulted in a fertilization in ten thousand years can do so, often producing very healthy offspring, or very capable offspring, I think we even may be able to reproduce with those Martians. There are basically a racial group within the homo sapiens sapiens population.

John B: How do they live? What do they eat? Where do they grow their food? I mean, how do they sustain themselves?

Andrew D Basiago:

They live as an underground civilization, that involves outfitting these cavern-like, interstitial openings inside the Martian surface where they will tile it & they’ll make these elegant paisley-shaped & sort of fanciful token-esque types of roofs from canyon to canyon. Then they situate their advanced technology within that contest. Imagine a civilization that evolved for ten thousand years in underground retro-fitted caverns, like the Carlsbad Caverns in New Mexico, where you’ve got the natural environment preserved – in the case of Carlsbad, the stalactites & the stalagmites. But you’ve got tiled floors, computer consoles, bathrooms & pneumatically assisted elevators & things like that.

So that’s the first type. They look like us. And certainly, if one of the men was dressed in an Armani suit walking down 5th Avenue in NYC, somebody might think its Telly Savalas, but not ever realize it’s a Martian.

The second type are the indigenous Martians that were there when we got there in antiquity. I call them homo martis martis for Martian Man on Mars. They are the ones that led to the understanding on Earth of what a Martian is. They are smaller than us, they have spindler bodies, longer heads, pointier heads, pointier ears, more jagged teeth & a kind of a shy or recondite, almost a paranoid kind of personality. They are very wary around Earth humans. They will occasionally kill & barbecue an Earth human. They are so psychically gifted that they can communicate with us utilizing telepathy. The Martian humanoids that are related to us can speak perfect unaccented English, so they must be monitoring our broadcasts.

The third type are a branch of the Gray ETs that are terrestrial. They look like a cross between a tall Gray & a lemur.

And the fourth type are tiny little humanoids that burrow in the surface. They were discovered in the NASA data by Dave Beamer.

And then there are Sasquatch on Mars, but they’re smaller than the Sasquatch that have been reported, for example, in the Pacific Northwest. They’re not 8 or 9 feet tall, they are 5 or 6 feet tall.

Now, when did I meet them?

I only met the first three types. I met three of the first type – the homo martis teris – the Earthling type at Curtiss-Wright in the Summer of 1970 as they were leaving an aerospace liaison mission with our personnel. And they had a brief discussion with my father. I personally met one of the second type – the true Matian type – when he greeted Courtney Hunt & I at the front of the Jump Room facility called “The Corkscrew”. We called it that because it kind of had a conch shell design. And as we exited the “Corkscrew” on one of our missions at dusk, I looked up & saw one of these homo martis extraterrestrialis, as I call it, up on the roof. And I yelled Court, Brett! – A gray on the roof observing us. I’ve never seen the small ones, nor the Sasquatch. And we have multi pictures of the Sasquatch that we’ve found in NASA’s data.

John B: You know, Andy, nobody has satisfactorily proved to me that this Sasquatch thing actually exists down here. I just say that I don’t care about Big-foot, when somebody finds one, conscious or unconscious, show it to me & then we’ll talk about it. But, I presume you believe they exist & you saw smaller ones. You actually saw smaller ones. Did you see them, or did you just learn that they existed?

Andrew D Basiago: To be sure, when I was on Mars, about 40 times, the only two Martian type typologies that I saw, was the indigenous Martian, namely the homo martis martis, when he greeted Courtney & I at the “Corkscrew”, and then I saw the gray-type, the homo maris extraterrestrialis, up on the top of the roof of the Jump Room. By the way, when I would go on my missions, those 30 missions that made up the bulk of my trips on Mars, and bring the computer disc, through the dilapidated brick city & give it to the telecommunications officer who had cobbled together a little, sort of, command post inside this gutted brick building on the surface.

When I would walk through that city, I would see both the adults & the children of that second typology. I remember the children looked almost like little Mongolian children in their full-body black caftans. They were exceptionally cute kids, but also bald like their parents. So, I had direct contact with the second typology, I had kind of a sighting of the third typology. I did not see any hairy bipedal hominids on Mars, but we have found numerous examples of them in the NASA Rover data. I, myself, found a Sasquatch-like creature on the Southern periphery of the Home Plate Plato, that is to say, the land beyond the Southern reaches of the Home Plate Plato in NASA Image #PIA11049. So, if any of your listeners would like to download that image from the internet & search for Sasquatch, I would invite them to do so. Its right there sitting on the hillside. It almost looks like one of those creatures in Maurice Cindex book, “Where the Wild Things Are.”

There is a homo martis sasquatchis, but I’m not sure that they’re directly related to the Sasquatches on Earth, because they’re smaller, and really don’t have any information of how intelligent they are, what kind of sound they make, and whether they have some of the Sasquatch on Earth.

Here on Earth, as somebody who has lawyered in Washington State for almost 20 years, I can tell you that Sasquatch exist. I mean, Skamania County, which is immediately west of Clark County, Washington, where Van Couver, Washington is one of the least populous counties in the entire country. But since 1850, its the county that has had the greatest number of Sasquatch sightings. In fact, two different Sasquatch were seen running from the eruption of Mount St Helens, by Washingtonians fleeing that event.

Sasquatch

I have spoken to numerous individuals in Washington & Idaho who have seen Sasquatch, including one Idaho family that went over a ridge & encountered four Sasquatch dining on a raw carcass of an elk that had just killed with their bare hands. Apparently, the Sasquatch will run into an animal or an elk & dine on it. So, their very capable creatures & I wouldn’t want to run into one in the woods. But I have no doubt that Sasquatch is a real species on Earth. We’re calling it the hairy bipedal hominid on Mars – homo martis sasquatis – simply because they look like little Sasquatch.

John B: You know I really want to ask you something about HAARP. What about this: what if these metallic particles are energized somehow by this billion watt transmitter to make this Earth into a giant antennae in furtherance of communication into the depths of space?

Andrew D Basiago: Or, what about the fact that it may have been used to teleport the Earth onto another timeline – just to bump it a little bit?

Let me tell you why I suspect that… I have provided the account publicly, going back to 2009, about how I did the first Chronoviser Probe that I was on in the future, we were taken up to ITT Defense Communications in Nutley, NJ, and there, there was a big Chronovisor array with the crystal array in the ceiling & we wore specialized time-space suits that we used - like deep-diving suits, sputter-coded in titanium, with a communications & a respiration capability inside the helmet.

We were fixed to stanchions on the stage before they turned the light on. And we went forward for about a half hour through wave after wave of interstellar material. And, with the result, we did a quick remote viewing of the Supreme Court building in Washington DC, we learned the next Monday in 2013. And, it was under about a hundred feet of brackish water. And I explained that I wasn’t predicting this was going to happen before 2013, for example, as a result of the predictions that would be made for 2012. Because when Chronovision to the past was still going on in mid-Summer of ’71, they shut it down, because they found that every time that they sent the same child, or another child, to the same past event, it changed a little bit.

So, to the extent that they did the probe to 2013 that Fall of ’71, I stated from the outset that it might have been another timeline where this global coastal flooding had happened by 2013. Well, in 2012 we know there was a solar flare & the only reason why it did not touch Earth is that we were 5 or 6 days away from a 1 degree rotation in Earth in space that would have put us directly in the path of that solar flare. And if that solar flare would have struck our planet, there would have been a mass incineration event that would have potentially killed a billion people. And would have probably raised the temperature of the planet sufficiently to create a global coastal flooding event, for example, by melting the polar ice caps.

We missed that event in 2012 by 1 degree.

John B: Wow. Keep going, Andrew, this is unbelievable.

Andrew D Basiago: Now, to the extent of how I described it when they kept on sending me to the Lincoln assassination, what happened to me there at that location was basically the same thing all the time, but with slight variations, like the man selling tickets at the front door of the lobby. The first time I went, he would be there by himself. And the second time they sent me, his son would be sitting next to him. And then, the third time his son would sell me the ticket. And the fourth time, his son would be there by himself, for whatever. So they were sending me to the same event in time-space, but with slight variation, maybe that was what happened with the global coastal flooding event.

Because we were not precisely within place, we were able, luckily, to avoid that mass disaster in 2012. But the future that they sent us with the Chronovisor displaced us onto an alternate timeline that was just a degree off, from the one that we would ultimately stay on, and happily not have to endure that event.

John B: I know that you might not know, but how would filling the atmosphere with metallic particles combined with the HAARP component further this moving us out of the way, ever so slightly by one degree, and miss this ridiculously huge flare?

Andrew D Basiago: I am guessing… speculating based on your premise of HAARP being used for a greater purpose. I think that its original purpose was to punch a hole in the ionosphere to release heat. That’s certainly the reason that the chemtrail spraying is ongoing… we can find right in Edward Teller’s paper from 1997-98 timeframe, which is to… the particles of aluminum & barium oxide are being sprayed in the troposphere to enhance the Albedo effect of the planet, which is the degree of reflectance of solar radiation back into space from natural deposits of sand & clouds & snow, to lower the temperature of the planet, to cool the planet, and prevent a catastrophic global warming event that could pitch us into a new ice age – sort of the Art Bell/Whitley Strieber premise of a coming global super storm, precipitated by a looming ice age, or a…

John B: I’m still trying to figure out how increased cold produces more heat, but okay.

Andrew D Basiago: Well, what actually happens is increased heath causes a greater melting of ice, which dilutes the world’s oceans, so they become less saline. So, there’s less transmission of equatorial warm water to cold polar water. And you have the poles freezing up, and glaciating farther south. In the same way your freezer, when it breaks down in the Summer, freezes up. Because you have a dilution effect, then followed by freezing.

John B: Okay. Alright, I’ll buy it for the moment. But now we have all these people coming forward, from the inventor of the weather channel, saying this global warming thing is the biggest bunch of hooey that’s ever been foisted on the world. Its just stupid, its not happening. Well, I mean, is it, or isn’t it?

Andrew D Basiago: Well, I can say this, because its really pointless to enter that debate, because it really doesn’t relate to time-travel, and then we can get back to HAARP. I can say that in the early ‘70s, the CIA was concerned that such an event would happen. I mean, I sat through a two day seminar about the coming ice age. And when they explained how it would happen, they explained how it would happen from the greenhouse effect – melting the polar ice caps, so the oceans became diluted & less saline, and the Gulf stream failed, and the poles freezed-up. We’re talking about a possibility that if that happened, in the Summer, there would then be a great melting right away, and mass flooding just during the Summer. The other possibilities, we would find large portions of the Northern Hemisphere, at least, under ice.

We can’t have that because two-thirds of humanity lives in the northern hemisphere, contrary to many peoples’ belief that the so-called developing world is over populated. In fact, it’s the northern hemisphere that’s over populated – the United States, Canada, China, Japan, Europe, Russia. I mean, most of the big countries, except for Brazil… India are, indeed, China are in the northern hemisphere.

John B: Well, that doesn’t even stand to reason, does it. Well look, I’m not trying to pull you into some sort of a jackpot, here. But, let me ask you this, there is something known as ‘sea ice’ & that sea ice is made from salt water, sea water, and it just follows that these glaciers are also made from salinated water, salt water, sea water. So, I don’t understand how melting them will dilute them will dilute the salt water of the oceans. I’m not getting that, but again, this is not your thing.

Andrew D Basiago: Ice can have salt. The question is: does the water have enough salt to transmit heat from the equitorial waters to the polar water, in the phenomenon we have called “the Gulf Stream”. So, you can have ice that has salt in it, but the question is, is it saline enough to prevent freezing.

John B: Okay. Alright, I’ll buy it.

Andrew D Basiago: That what the CIA was worried about. And all of that disaster planning, that inspired Andrew Marshall at the Pentagon, and it was picked up by Al Gore & his climate change advocacy. And that kind of informs the coming super storm scenario of Strieber and Bell is what the CIA was concerned about when we began our time-travel activities in the early ‘70s. We were schooled in it, I had a seminar in it, in that scenario.

Now, as for HAARP, what I was suggesting, is that if HAARP has a larger planetary function, maybe they were hoping to use magnetic effects generated by HAARP focused on the oxides of barium & aluminum in the atmosphere, or something else that they’re putting in the atmosphere, or just the atmosphere itself, to slightly shift the planet, to tweak it, without causing a planetary shift, but just a slight tweak to get it out of the way of that flare. I don’t know, but something like that could have happened.

John B: Alright. So… wow, this is extraordinary. I really have some questions that are written down, here, that I can ask you, and of course, I will go to them, eventually. But let me ask you this, with our President, having had the experiences that he’s had, and with all the secrecy maintained by NASA & the Air Force & DARPA & everybody else, are we getting close, in your opinion, to like the big meeting day? Where we meet the ETs, or that is old news, that happened a long time ago, and yes we are working with them & yes that’s why we’ve had these quantum leaps in the technical sector & so forth. I mean, is an ET / Earthling meeting – that’s old news, yes?

Andrew D Basiago: Well, my answer to that wouldn’t be yes or no, it would be, we will see that kind of transparency, if the American elect me, or somebody who believes as I do, as President. Because, in fact, the breakaway civilization, predicted by Richard Dolan, is upon us. Richard has talked about the fact that we want to avoid the emergence of a situation where there’s a small sort of Orwellian inner party, a kind of a priesthood of insiders, who will control all the esoteric information, all the esoteric technology, all of the esoteric leadership, and hence, the destiny of the people of this world. And we will break away from our civilization, and maybe even genocide us, possibly, as some people have suggested Mars is being used for.

Now, I say, such a civilization is clearly emerging right now. Because look, the individual that has been elected President of the most powerful country in the world, the United States of America – Barack Obama is a former astronaut, and the people who have elected him, literally, the American people, have never been told that. And, he wasn’t just an astronaut, he was a Chrononaut – he was astronaut who didn’t go up into space in rockets, but who went in advance time-travel technology.

And he went 34 years ago, he went 27 years before he was elected President in 2008, and he’s been President for 6 years, and the people still don’t know that. They don’t know that because a breakaway civilization has occurred.

And the U.S. Intelligence community has usurped the government function. Its doing that as I described by identifying, and then briefing, and in some cases compromising future Presidents. I believe that the CIA may have already infiltrated Congress & that this year, we may be hearing more about that this year, as its revealed that many of our members of Congress are covert CIA agents, who are on CIA payroll with Swiss bank account.

Okay, so the American people are very negative about government right now. They basically have turned into a surly mob, that hate most politician, except for a few principled idealists, like Ron Paul. And, that’s unfortunate, because really what happened was, the Constitutional processes of government got usurped by the Intelligence community. And that’s what need to be corrected.

And so, the antidotes to this, are for individuals who have served in these programs to come forward publicly, like I have, and William Stilling & Bernard Mendez, my fellow Chrononauts have. In the way that Randy Cramer just did on his Mars experience. In the way the Michael Relphe & Arthur Neumann & Laura Eisenhower have on Mars. The way that Randy Cramer (aka Captain Kaye, USMC s.s. VIDEOS) just did on his Mars experience. We need transparency about the Secret Space Program.

That will show people how far in the future our technology has taken us – how far advanced our technology has gone. And how the people were never apprised of what we were doing, and what technologies we had already achieved.

We then need to get some of these individuals into government – some of the people of the Truth Movement into the highest positions in government. Because we need to initiate a Truth & Reconciliation Process within the government itself. I believe it should be modeled on the South African model. In other words, we would invite, we would have a permanent standing committee of the U.S. Senate that would invite members of the Executive Branch, the Intelligence Community, the military & Defense Contractors & Intelligence community cut-outs, you know – companies, contractors – come forward & testify in open Congressional Hearing about the experiences they had working on, what people in the Intel call “The Dark Side of the House” – basically, the Secret Realm – the realm of official State secrecy.

In this sense, I liken the Truth Movement to the Abolition Movement, in the sense that where the Abolition Movement sought freedom from the oppression of slavery, of physical bondage. The Truth Movement seeks freedom from the metaphysical oppression of State Secrecy. That’s where we find ourselves at this phase in our history. We are not being told the truth about the cosmos we live in, nor how far technically advanced our civilization has actually become.

And so, that would be my response to your question. Not to look at it in terms of who Barack Obama is. He’s somebody who early on became a Acalee, an operative of the CIA, and when he reached the Presidency, he decided to play the safe Insider’s Game – the superficial opportunistic game.

I’m not superficial & I’m not opportunistic & believe in the truth, not in concealing things & deceiving people. That’s really the issue, will we have national leaders who will open up government – Justice Brandeis said that ‘sunshine is the ultimate antiseptic’. That is what we need. The Freedom of Information Act is fine, but it doesn’t go far enough. For example, anything can be blacked out with your FOIA request, the response to your FOIA request, just based on National Security Exception.

So, we have to re-visit the whole issue of ‘sunshine’ in government, openness in government, transparency. And we have to elect people who are personally governed by the truth, not by the superficiality & opportunism of merely wanting to be elected.

That’s why, for example, I think that people admired President Kennedy so much. Clearly he had foibles, but he really cared, and he was really oriented to try to articulate the truth about what government should be doing & what it is doing, and people trusted him, because he was telling the truth. And I think he got in trouble for it. I think he shook the cage of government in a way that potentially may have cost him his life. When he got realistic about the threat of a nuclear, and he decided to secret approach over nuclear weaponry of the former Soviet Union, as expressed in his June 10th 1963 American University speech, I think may in fact have been the cause of Kennedy’s assassination.

But nonetheless, we need to put people in high office who will initiate a truth process, because they believe that government should undertake its duties so that all that is kept back from the people is that which is absolutely necessary to conceal. And my test for that would be: doesn’t create a clear & present danger, military or otherwise – a danger of disaster. Or, is it private information – the information of individuals & companies, for example, that is not the business of the people, it is simply private information, like the kind of information that is gathered in a criminal investigation.

But beyond that, the American people deserve to know how far we’ve gone technically, and what the true nature of our cosmos is. That’s what the USA was suppose to be, we were suppose to be the flowering of the enlightenment. And, here, for fifty years, we’ve lived as a kind of a weak alternative to the former Soviet Union, as a puzzle-palace of national secrets. And that’s just not tolerable anymore.

They’ve been concealing cancer cures, they’ve been concealing the potential for mass environmental disasters, they’ve been concealing the threat posed by different factions in the world, or countries. They’ve been concealing whether its safer to live in Santa Monica or Denver, you know… come on. And that’s intolerable, because they’re our servants, they shouldn’t be hiding the truth from us.

John B: Yeah, I’m sure many of your countrymen agree. And, I really don’t really know how secrecy… Secrecy always serves somebody in some way, but I guess that’s part of the secret. Right?

Andrew D Basiago: Well, I think, as we learn… I did a number of oral histories at UCLA. I was really privileged to do the one of Norman Cousins – I did a 21 part interview with Norman who had worked with President Kennedy on disarmament issues. And I know the program was doing a lot of them on Manhattan Project physicists. I met a couple when I was on Pegasus. I met Emilio Segre, for example, who had won a Nobel Prize in physics.

And what I learned, I thing we were doing the Herbert York interview, but basically, the issue in a culture of secrecy is that it creates the insider mentality, where the people are motivated to conceal secrets because it confers status on them. That was our impression of the nuclear physicists that we interviewed, when I was doing oral histories of prominent Californians for UCLA. In other words, the cult of secrecy is an extension of human ego. And the reason why the secrets are kept is because it fosters the sense of special-ness of the people that are the ‘insiders’.

John B: Let me ask you this, this is your primary area of expertise is the Martian component. I’ve heard that some of these planets out there, the other 9, or as it turns out 10, as Pythagoras modeled his diatonic scale after, and this Nibiru thing being number 10. I understand that some of those “outposts” – observation platforms – were, at one time, mechanical, now they’re actually manned by people. Have you heard anything to that affect?

And the next question is: Why just Mars? Why not another planet? Maybe there are other planets people had visited. Was it the one that seemed most likely to sustain some sort of humanoid life, or did they abandon the other planets? Did they examine the other planets, and go Naaa… this is not it?

Andrew D Basiago: Right. Well, I didn’t learn anything either in Project Pegasus in the ‘70s, or the Mars Project in the ‘80s that would allow me to say what’s on other planets, or what’s in the rest of the Solar System. But I can give a couple of insights based on other people’s work.

Certainly, in the area of ancient artifacts, not just on Mars, but the Moon & some of the moons of other planets, like Iepitas, which is a moon of Jupiter. There’s evidence of mining on Iepitas. There’s evidence of large human face occupying about a third of the surface of Enceladus, which I believe is a moon of Saturn. So, there are large terra glyphs on other moons of other planets, not just the ones that we find on our Moon & on Mars that could be, because of either extraterrestrials created those artifacts & terra glyphs, or because that pre-Atlantean high-Egyptian civilization that reached Mars, was also on the Moon, and on planets beyond Mars, and decided to engage mining or the creation of large works of art on some of the moons of the neighboring planets – like Jupiter & Saturn.

Second, we have the statement that there seems to be some kind of extraterrestrial device in the Rings of Saturn, that may be mining the Rings of Saturn for some purpose, creating something. We have the statement by the Apollo astronauts that when they tapped the Moon, it rang for like a half hour, indicating that the Moon maybe be a metallic sphere covered with Moon dust, which would suggest an artificial creation of the Moon…

John B: And, hollow to boot.

Andrew D Basiago: Right, right… indicating an artificial creation of the Moon as an extraterrestrial satellite made to look like a natural moon or celestial body, as it were.

Now, in terms of why Mars versus other planets to get to, I can certainly answer that from my training under Ed Dames in 1980, and things I learned when I was servicing in the Jump Room Project. Mars is in a two-year irregular orbit around the Sun. And as a result, it moves towards & away from the Earth, so common sense logic dictates that if this area of the Solar System is struck again by the kind of space debris that devastated Earth & Mars in antiquity, as described by Graham Hancock in the “Mars Mystery”. And so, if we’re struck again by the kind of space debris that Graham Hancock talks about in his book, “The Mars Mystery”, then there’s a chance that Earth might be hit & Mars won’t be hit, or vice versa. So the way we can view Mars is as a platform to sustain the human genome against the possibility that we would have some kind of cluster of mass incoming objects that might devastate both Earth & Mars, as it did in the past.

First of all, if both planets are struck, its simply advantageous to have human life on both planets. But then again, if the debris comes in from a different vector – either Earth might be hit, or Mars might be hit. And its for that reason that they selected Mars as the location for an extraterrestrial Defense Platform protecting Earth. The Moon wasn’t acceptable, because the Moon is too close to the Earth.

And then lastly, I would cite the fact that some planets are inhospitable when we get there, for example, Venus. Many people have claimed that Venus is inhabited, they’ve met Venusians, Valiant Thor – the alleged extraterrestrial of the 1950s, as depicted in “Stranger at the Pentagon” was from Venus. The problem that I have with that is Venus is 600 degrees Fahrenheit at its surface. And so it can’t sustain protoplasmic life, as we understand it. I know there’s a photograph that suggests that some sort of “fire creature” is sustaining itself there on the surface of Venus, but we can’t go there because we can’t, for example, put structures there, or even putting our own bodies there without them being incinerated.

John B: Its not too much of a stretch, there are microbes , and so forth, that thrive well over 200 degrees, when everything else would be dead. So, that’s not too much of a stretch.

Andrew D Basiago: No, its not. No, its not. Well, with small creature surviving in the world’s oceans near volcanic vents with temperatures of, let’s say, 200-300 degrees Fahrenheit, its conceivable that life forms could actually evolve simply at higher temperatures. So, I don’t discount the possibility that a very hot planet like Venus may harbor life. I’m just making the point that we wouldn’t be able to go there without protective equipment.

John B: There’s a seat for every bottom, here in the Universe. Now, let me ask you something. Arthur Neumann, who until recently referred to himself as Henry Deacon, is another whistleblower, you know him?

Arthur Neumann aka Henry Deacon

Andrew D Basiago: Yes, after he did his series of interviews with Bill Ryan & Kerry Cassidy of the Project Camelot, Arthur was sending me encrypted emails, stating that he felt that his story had been spun in a way that was not accurate. For example, he said he wasn’t in fear of his life, and he hadn’t fled to England. Then I learned, when Kerry sponsored her Time-Travel Conference in Los Angeles in 2012, I learned at that point the Arthur Neumann was disparaging me, and I utilized Alfred Webre as a go between. And I found out that he was angry at me because he felt that in my testimony, I was making it seem that everybody who had gone to Mars had done so for the CIA. And because he detested the CIA, and its abuses of powers, he was angry that I hadn’t clarified the point, I hadn’t distinguished the fact, that, in fact, Arthur Neumann alleges that he went to Mars via Jump Room for the large Livermore Laboratories in Berkeley, and not for the CIA or the NSA.

John B: Is this the Neumann, is he related to the Neumann technical company in Germany, makes microphones, and many other things?

Andrew D Basiago: No, I don’t believe so. I do believe that Arthur Neumann is his actual name, and they had been using the alias Henry Deacon when they originally interviewed him.

By the way, I would like to address Bill & Kerry. They’ve taken the position that I’m telling the truth about my time-travel memories from childhood, or experiences, but prevaricating, or deluded, about my Mars experiences. And that’s NOT the case.

I have now recovered a full set of memories about both Programs. And my Mars testimony is as authentic as my existing time-travel testimony. What happened was actually more complex than they even investigated him. That’s kind of ironic, because when they interviewed me for the purpose of exploring doing an on camera interview with him in 2007, and I remember remaining in touch with him in early 2008. I was just in possession of my memories of my time-travel experiences in Project Pegasus as a child, and that’s all I was investigating & that’s all of what I was talking about.

Then, without… and as a result of it, I was able to because I never forgotten my time-travel experiences. And, in fact, when they were trying to get me to forget my time-travel experiences in 1972, I resisted that brainwashing, so that I brought my memories forward. They’re not recovered memories, they were the original memories.

That’s not true regarding my Morris Jump Room memories from my college years. In that case, ten years had passed between the two Programs. And brainwashing of U.S. personnel was so advanced that our government was in possession of what must have been the American version, or reverse engineered version, of the Soviet LIDA machine. LIDA is an acronym of some Soviet technical term. The LIDA machine is an electronic device that suppresses specific memories. A certain noise, or set noises, is played in the individual’s earphones, or in the audio nubs placed in the ear. As somebody’s talking about them about what they’re going to suppress.

Soviet LIDA Machine

And I know that Ed Dames was doing that with us so much, basically blocking our Mars Jump Room memories, you know, what we had just done. That it became almost a joke, to sit down & let Ed brainwash us with that American version of the LIDA machine.

So, I didn’t retrieve my Mars memories until 2010 when I was approached by one of my fellow Mars Jumper’s William B Stillings. And he & I, and by 2011, in conversation with Bernard Mendez, the three of us were able to go back & recover our Mars memories. So that the three of us our now in possession of what happened, just as I had previously been in possession of my time-travel memories.

The problem is that Bill & Kerry interviewed me during that interregnum. Between interviewing me about what I remembered about time-travel & me recovering my Mars Jump Room memories. I was not inspired by anything that fell between that. For example, either by Arthur Neumann’s account or by an interview that David Wilcock did with Project Camelot, because in fact, specific things that had always been suppressed in my mind came forward, and they were highly specific, when I was approached by William Stilling & Bernard Mendez.

So, I thank Brett [Stillings] & Benny [Bernard] for coming forward. Because, had they not, I don’t think I ever would have had my Mars memories dislodged from wherever they were stored in my mind, or blocked by the use of that devise.

But that’s what happened, and I’m not prevaricating. And what distinguishes the Mars Jump Room testimony of all of us is we now have 6 individuals who corroborate its existence. If I may cite one example involving Laura Eisehower.

First of all, how often do the descendants of American Presidents go forward about any political issue of the day? I think the sole exception before Laura, perhaps was Amy Carter – speaking out against Apartheid in South Africa, against the nuclear arms race, you know, the nuclear industry. Laura came forward, not with easy controversy, but with difficult controversy. She came forward alleging that in 2006 & 2007, she had been approached by the U.S. government to go to Mars colony with her two twin boys, who were then 10 years of age.

Now, what descendent of a President, of a prominent beloved Presidential family, like the Eisenhower clan, would do that, if they were as intelligent & sane & logical person as Laura. Clearly, she has to be telling the truth, because otherwise she wouldn’t besmirch her position as a member of a Presidential family & her family’s reputation, political or otherwise.

Now, when she came forward, she gave Alfred Webre & I information that proved she’s telling the truth. And let me share with you, because it germane to this interview: She told us that she was told that if they went to Mars, they would go there via ARC. And because there was a discussion of space planes by the individual who was manipulating her, to try to recruit her to go to Mars with her sons, literally migrate, join the colony there. She thought she was to go to be going by an advance space plane, and indeed she may have done so, if she had agreed to go. Because from Randy Cramer’s account, we can see that they’ve been using space planes that are often recharged on the Moon, and then go from the Moon to Mars.

But let me share this data point, because I think its significant in understanding what Laura was told. When she told us that data, she didn’t realize, and had never been told, that ARC was the anagram for the Jump Rooms. During our training, it was explained by Ed Dames, that there was a technical term for the Jump Rooms, and it was Aeronautical Repositioning Chamber (ARC). That’s what the Jump Room does. It doesn’t travel somewhere propulsively or obviously through space, in the way that an automobile, or a airplane, or a rocket does. It sort of stays where it is, but the people inside of it are repositioned aeronautically.

And in fact, it arrived in space elevator column on Mars that was just a conventional looking column, just like the elevator column at El Segundo, that from which we began our journey. In fact, the room changed, the room didn’t ostensibly travel through space. It somehow manipulated our position aeronautically, as a chamber. Anyway, she was actually told, I believe, the anagram – the slang technical term for the Jump Rooms, and she couldn’t have made that up. And it also indicated that she was in communication with somebody who knew that that was the anagram for the technical term for the Jump Room. And I find that validating, I became convinced of her veracity & the reality of the recruitment attempt that was directed at her in ’06 & ’07.

John B: Alright. Let me ask you this… Major Ed Dames, I found out about him back when I was a big fan of Art Bell on Coast to Coast AM, and later that dream came true. And I was actually able to post a few programs there myself for a couple years. Other than that, I would have never known of his existence. But I found there was something lacking in the accuracy of his remote viewing.

(To Be Continued)

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks for posting the rest of the Andrew Basiago interview , the first one
was very good , his story is as consistent as it has been over the past decade.
His explanation of Obama and others were plausible. As a practicing Barrister
he is above average intelligence and is used to speaking in the public arena.

I think Bill has said that one part could be genuiune and the other an implanted
memory ( I forgot which way round , I' have to check ..LOL ) I find him
interesting and if he does run for President next year 2016 which he says
he wins , that will be fun , though I cannot forsee any circumstances it
could happen. Still a fun tale if nothing else , with bits that other witness's
have corroborated UHM !!!

Actually looking at the above article its the jump room to Mars that is probably
the genuine memory and the time travel possibly a false one. His memory
is so accurate of events and what was said , is sometimes to incredible.
I have not got a photo memory so I don't know if its as possible that he
makes it seem ? If you know what I mean........

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part 2

Andrew is talking about meeting Buzz Aldrin as he was preparing for the
the Mars Jump , Andy says the moon landings were genuine and gives his
reasons for believing it , Then in the next breath talks about it being easy
to land on the Moon when they jumping to Mars. Why hoax the moon landings
I'm not buying it and then goes a bit patriotic. I don't know ? after posting
a bit about the moon in the past couple of days its more likely and this is
info that has been discussed for years that Stanley Kubrick filmed the fake
footage to be used with some genuine lunar footage . The Astronauts possibly
got there with help from the secret space programme , which would explain
the lack of memory of some of them at the time and later of what should
have been the highlight of their lives and there should have been far more
chat shows with them explaining every detail........Anyway that's a tangent as
Andy does not claim to have gone to the moon himself.....

RICHPLANET TV - Apollo Conspiracy - Full Movie - Jan 2015 by Rich Hall & Andrew Johnson
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...Andrew-Johnson


https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...orate&p=936059

Andy got out of the President prediction, its may not be 2016 but in the future,
I think that is a revision from what he was saying a few years ago...LOL

Andy says that Bill and Kerry accepted his time travel experience , but were
not convinced with his Mars Jumps. Andy says they are both genuine and he
was not influenced by David Wilcock or Henry Deacon .

Which ever way it is Andys tale is mixed with lots of material from the alternate
circuit and science fiction , IE the Time Tunnel was big in the 1960's/ 70's and
mind control was also being used. As I said before listening to this Andy is
intelligent , up to date with events on the alternate forums and has great retrieved
memories . We need much more actual evidence for it get to the next step.

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Switched to Barrie Trower now and the dangers of Micro waves , in mobile phones
effecting behaviour change , insects and Bee depopulation which has been going on
for years. This is an updated version of the 'Economic Hitmen' from the 1950's
onwards . As David Icke would say "problem reaction solution" , with a dose
of 'Totalitarian Tip Toe' thrown in .

[turiya]

Part4 (continued)

Open Letter to Ed Dames

Dear Ed,

Forty years have passed since we served together on Project Pegasus. I think it is incumbent upon you to now step forward and end "the High Psi Cover-up" that has been architected to conceal the US government's time travel capabilities. If you do so, you will justifiably be hailed as a hero. This courageous act may also result in you being identified as a major "planetary whistleblower," as I have been. Certainly, you can step forward with my assurances that if you do so, I will avoid any discussion of project elements that project principals would not want revealed publicly at this time...

Ed, the hour is growing very late. The Gulf of Mexico is filling up with oil. The time to create a new energy infrastructure is upon us. Teleportation can be the cornerstone of the new civic infrastructure of the 21st century. Your personal testimony is crucial. Please coordinate with me and let's work towards an historic
press conference with Governor Richardson in Sante Fe. The future is in our hands. Together, let's end the time travel cover-up and help create a sustainable future for all seven billion inhabitants of our planet.

Your friend in time-space, Andy
SOURCE

John B: Alright. Let me ask you this… Major Ed Dames, I found out about him back when I was a big fan of Art Bell on Coast to Coast AM, and later that dream came true. And I was actually able to post a few programs there myself for a couple years. Other than that, I would have never known of his existence. But I found there was something lacking in the accuracy of his remote viewing.

Now, how does remote viewing & time-travel, how do those two things tie together?

Andrew D Basiago: Remote Viewing is the most rudimentary of the eight modalities of time-travel that I referenced in terms of Project Pegasus achieving by 1970. Conventional remote viewing is simply the use of the human mind to see things at a distance, occurring at a distance, in real time – in the present, or in those time places that we call the past & the future. It is simply an extension of human psychic ability to see things at a distance.

Ed Dames was involved as one of my facilitators on Project Pegasus, guiding me through experiences, not all of my experiences, but some of my experiences in the Montauk Chair. He knows about the other time-travel devices.

I’m going to make an accusation, now. I believe that his remote viewing advocacy, which he claims began in 1982, not in 1972, when Ingo Swann stated the Remote Viewing Program began at Stanford Research Institute (SRI), when in fact, I was remote viewing for the Office of Naval Intelligence in the Fall of 1969, but that is another matter.

So, I believe what Ed has done is that he’s concealed his time-travel & his Mars visitation activities, which remain classified, by focusing on remote viewing. And then, spinning these catastrophic disaster stories, earning the reputation of “Dr Doom”, while never addressing the more serious classified activities he was involved in. So, he’s basically talking about time-travel technology, but between remote viewing, we then can have you spin somebody to induce an out-of-body experience so they can astrally travel, and then you can interview them about what they see while astrally traveling in the waking state.

You can then put them into the Montauk Chair & use magnetic transduction to send their mind forward in time, so they pre-experience an episode in their own subjective future. And when they come back, you can question them about what they saw, what they were doing in the future, what was on television, who was the President… these kinds of questions.

Then in the middle, we have sort of a Chronovision, where you have the propagation of a hologram, to recapitulate a past event, or a future event, using either the residual signal, or the potential signal, of a past or future event, respectively. And, I don’t know how you view it, you can either look at the device, as a “looking glass” and engage in technical remote viewing, which is what the term that Ed Dames associated with just conventional remote viewing on Coast to Coast. He basically confused the public about Chronovision by calling conventional remote viewing “Technical Remote Viewing”. So the Chronovisor, its kind of in the middle of the spectrum of sophistication of time-travel modality. You can either propagate a past or future event & have somebody observe in the laboratory, or there envelved within the hologram, when you turn the device on, you can send them, there, to that event. And so, there’s sort of a physio-virtual time travel that occurs that way, holographically.

And there are four forms of physical time-travel:

-Tesla Teleportation
-The Stargate, which is an advanced teleporter.
-The Plasma Confinement Chamber

Which is what was used by Dr Stirling Colgate of New Mexico Tech, and my father to send me to Gettysburg to see Lincoln give the Gettysburg Address on November 19 of 1863.

And, of course, the Jump Rooms

- clearly, also can be regarded as physical teleporters, although there’s some speculation between Bernie & I of whether they were simple advanced Chronovisors that were sort of able to engage in a form of exo-planetary holography, where we weren’t vising the actual Mars, but a standing hologram of it.

So anyway, that’s the spectrum. And so, what Ed has done is taken the most rudimentary technology & built a career of prediction around it. Most of the time, purporting predictions that don’t come true, but that sell tickets at his lectures, because people will come to an event if they believe if its going to be necessary to save their lives & protect their families from catastrophe.

John B: Wow. Extraordinary. You know, we’ve covered a lot of ground today. Between now, and the next time we meet, which I hope is soon, because I feel pretty sure there’s a lot more to discuss.

I don’t know, Andrew, I get the distinct impression that we’ve really just scratched the surface, here. But this is more than enough for people to chew on. But give them one last little nugget that will peak their interest & help them keep their minds open for new revelations that are yet to come.

Andrew D Basiago: Yeah, yeah. You know, Jim Mars said something about the Roswell incident that I think is very intelligent. Jim is a bright man, he’s full of a lot of intelligent observations of reality. And said to me one time, he said, “Andy, you know, Roswell really doesn’t come down to proof. It comes down to ‘belief’. Because, if you can believe the premise that extraterrestrials came to our planet & despite their sophisticated technical ability, crashed their vehicle in Roswell, New Mexico, of all places, and their bodies were recovered, and maybe one or two of them were taken as prisoners, or guests of our government, then you will now believe the, now, eighty plus witnesses we have who are totally credible, and who represent every last detail, in what has become as the Roswell incident as we know – the post-Stanton Friedman investigation of Roswell. But if you don’t believe that premise, you will not believe it, and you will scrutinize a signature of Harry Truman on a Majestic 12 briefing document, and choose to find it a counterfeit signature.

So, I like to say in my Mars Anomaly Research Society (MARS), I share this with the now over 12,000 members of the Mars Anomaly Research Society (MARS) on Facebook, that most people are not scientific. And I’m not finding fault, here, and I’m not saying “I’m scientific.” But because of the non-ordinary nature of my experiences, I was forced to evaluate how people receive non-ordinary information. And in fact, very bright people in the alternative media, & alternative research, have embraced Carl Sagan’s position, that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Well, they don’t, they only require reliable evidence, ordinary evidence.

But what most people do is that they don’t frame their beliefs based on their findings – the don’t use the scientific method. They find their findings based on their beliefs. If they don’t believe that Roswell happened, they won’t believe that the Harry Truman signature, on the famous MJ-12 document, was his signature.

Now, how does that relate to my experiences?

Well, when my book comes out, the public will see that I engaged with highly specific proofs. Where I’ve gathered facts from my memory, investigated them online & other written sources, in libraries, in newspapers. But also traveled to New Mexico three times, spending about almost a whole month there, cumulatively – going to different archives, talking to different people. So, if your listeners are having difficulty believing that I time-traveled, and that of course places me in Defense Technical context, where I then, as a college student, went to Mars, let me share this anecdote with you:

Before I went on my second fact-finding trip to New Mexico in 2004, I stated the following:

“I was taken to a small brick building off of School Rd, in East Hanover, New Jersey, by my father. Well, in October or 2013, I found that building right where I said it was. I said that there was a time-travel scientist there working with my father, who’s name was Dr Stirling Colgate, that he was President, and at some point was Dean of Physics, or Chair of the Physics Department, at the New Mexico Institute of Science & Technology, which was called New Mexico Tech in Socorro, NM. That he was identified by my father as one of the scions of the Colgate Palmolive fortune, Colgate Palmolive is of course is now Mennen, there was Mennen facility in East Hanover. I remember my dad & Connie Chavez calling Stirling Colegage “Stir”.

So I took all these facts, and Stirling Colgate, East Hanover, New Mexico Tech, Soccoro, and then I remembered the technical term of that they used to send me to Gettysburg. Now, of course, the Gettysburg Jump was evidenced by the picture of me that was taken by Mathew Brady, that is known as the "Josephine Cobb Image of Lincoln at Gettysburg". I am the young boy standing in the foreground of that image looking to the left edge of the photograph.

I was there because I was sent there via Plasma Confinement under the direction of Dr Colgate & my late father, an employee of essentially the world’s largest engineering company. Right, - Parsons gave the government the mx-missile, built a city in Saudi Arabia – the city of Yanbu.

Okay, So then I gather up all these facts, and I go to Socorro, New Mexico on my second fact finding trip in September of 2004. I went with my friend from Vancouver, Washington, Dixie Caris. So, Dixie & I travel to New Mexico, and we park on the curtilage of the New Mexico Tech campus, looking for where the ‘C’-shaped building there was, where Dr Colgate & advanced physics students at New Mexico Tech were processing images from the future. That’s where my father & I had been called where we viewed, for example, the movie 20-second video of one of the planes hitting one of the Twin Towers & exploding in an orange fireball 30 years in the future on 911.

So we ended up parking our rental vehicle so that the front wheels are on the vacant lot where that ‘C’-shaped Aerojet Corporation facility once stood. Sitting, eating her lunch on a retaining wall, is Joy Thompson, at that time the head Research Librarian for New Mexico Tech. And I explained what I was shown there, when the C-shaped Aerojet Corporation facility was still there, and I explained my multiple interactions with a scientist by the name of Dr Stirling Colgate, who as a child, it had been explained to me, he was the Chair of the Physics Department, there, that became the President of New Mexico Tech.

And she said, “Oh, of course, Stirling was our President here for years. Let me take you inside to our Research Library of Special Collections & I will let you sift through the Stirling Colgate file."

John, I opened an envelope and pulled out a photograph of Stirling Colgate when he was Chair of the Physics Department at New Mexico Tech. And the first item that I pulled out of the envelope was a newspaper article from 1972, the year that I had already stated that he & my dad had sent me to 1863 to see the Gettysburg Address. And it was stamped (I have it on a DVD), something like, February 5th 1972 – in ink on the newspaper clipping. And the gist of first sentence of this news article was, “Dr Stirling Colgate, President of New Mexico Tech, will give a public lecture tonight on his advances in Plasma Confinement.”

Now, I’m sorry, if you go to even an advanced graduate student today, and say, “What do you know about Plasma Confinement?” They are not going to be able to tell you a lot, because it remains a semi-classified technology. But who am I? I’m somebody who grew up in New Jersey & California, attended law school in Oregon & studied at Cambridge at England, and then came back to the United States, and settled in Washington, and I’ve been practicing law there ever since. I didn’t take any science in college. I took a couple of AP classes in high school, but I took no science at the undergraduate or graduate level, certainly no physics. Yes, I’m psychic, but would I be psychic enough to have been able to put together, through psychic synthesis, all of those discreet facts? – Dr Stirling Colgate, his nickname ‘Stir’, his academic association with the New Mexico Institute of Science & Technology, its location in Socorro, NM, his status of both Department Chair & University President, the location where the Aerojet Corporation facility use to be, next to the Research Library, the fact it was an Aerohet Corporation facility, the fact it was a secured facility and it was actually raised & now there’s a sunken – there’s a sunken area where the building stood where they were performing high-energy physics.

The fact that before I went on that trip with Dixie in September of ’04, I caught Aerojet in a lie when they told me that they had never had a facility in Soccoro. And I found, in fact from people who had grown up there in Soccoro, & from Joy Thompson, & from the literature in the Research Library, that right where said that the Aerojet Corporation facility was, it had been in the early 1970s.

So, I am just sharing the anecdote to show that I created multiple proofs like this, with highly specific, strange esoteric facts, that I stated before I investigated the facts & proved that my memories were totally on target. And cohered exactly to the realities that were there.

It wasn’t Stirling Cunningham(?) [maybe meant to say Stirling Colgate], it wasn’t New Mexico Tech in Albuquerque… I put together all those facts. And all those facts ended up being deeply embedded in my memories, but also in the reality of these locations, where early in the 1970s, you would expect advanced applications in quantum physics, like time travel, to be experimented with. Like what? Try New Mexico Tech – a research college in the very State where all of this high energy atomic physics stuff was going on.

The bottom line is that I’m not lying – and, beyond that. One has to be totally unreasonable in their skepticism to not listen to the facts I’ve been sharing, now, for almost ten years. I did my first lecture in Portland, Oregon, to 40 friends on October 30th of 2004. Okay, so I’m already 11 years into this process. I hit the 10 year mark in October of last year (2014).

So, I’ve been sharing this in public talks, now, in four countries & over a hundred radio broadcasts & 10-15 TV shows, and I’m not making it up. Why would I harm my legal career? I mean, to be a lawyer, I had to get into law school, graduate from law school, study for the BAR, pass the BAR & somehow establish myself as a lawyer, which I did with no mentor-ship & no employment by anybody else. I became a lawyer as a result of hard, hard work that went on when I returned from England in ’95-’96, not to just pass the BAR, but to become established. I basically went to work for myself.

So, why did I put a valuable profession, and all of that professional status at risk by telling strange stories about time travel & Mars visitation? The reason I’m sharing this information is because its true, because I love my country, I’m proud of what I did & because the people of the United States & the people of the world, as part of the common heritage of humankind, have a right to know what the greatest country on Earth has done, with the ideas of its greatest philosophers, scientists & technologists.

John B: Andrew, I have just one last question. I just have to ask this: Has this brought you nearer to god, or farther away?

Andrew D Basiago: Well actually, I must admit, somebody’s always asked their religion when they run for President. I was raised as a Roman Catholic, but I’m not a practicing Catholic. I describe myself as a non denominational Christian, in the sense that I never lost a child’s faith that Jesus was who the Bible describes. Because in 1972, my dad to Connie Chavez & I to a film viewing at Sandia that was depicted about 20 minutes of film footage, whereby 16mm film-stock had recorded a holographic rendering of the crucifixion of Jesus of Nazareth. And it resembled, it depicted, the biblical account that we found in three of the gospels down to the letter, beyond what DiLorenzo or Steven Spielberg could invent. So, I know that Jesus was a real person, that he died on the cross after great suffering.

The reason I never left my childhood faith in his divinity, is that when we were leaving that viewing, my dad said, “Connie, I don’t know why you’re acting like this?” She was all over the place, trying to avoid even looking at the screen. And she said, “Ray, they were crucifying my Lord…” She was a very devout Catholic for her whole life in Old Town Albuquerque. And she said, “How do you think I could feel, they were crucifying my Lord, Jesus Christ on the Cross. And he said, “Yes, Connie, but my team also has footage, that three days later, there’s a burst of light in the crypt, and Jesus stands up & angels appear & help him push the rock away. And she said, “Really, Ray?” And this was to the woman that he first wanted to marry before she married her high school boyfriend. So this was my dad’s first major love interest in his life, the woman he dated before he married my mom – so a woman he really cared about, and his fifth child who he had involved in a Defense Technical Project where new, dangerous & experimental activities were going on, which could have cost me my life. So he was proud of me & he wasn’t going to lie to me. He was also a man of integrity.

So, my dad said to Connie, “So, I don’t know why you were acting like that, because we also have film footage of the resurrection. Jesus did resurrection.” In fact, he said, “It was so startling to the guys in my team when we found it & we were looking at it, that even some of the guys who weren’t even practicing Christians were saying things like, 'Praise be to god.' Or, 'Jesus lives! Look, he resurrects!'”

Okay, so that’s one of the reasons, by the way, that many at the CIA became ‘born again Christians’. Some of them, in fact, had become untoward in the sense that their Dominionist Christians who would like to make Christianity our State religion. I oppose that because I support the separation of church & State, and I support the First Amendment, ban on the establishment, or the prohibition to free exercise of religion.

But in answer to your question, I had to have faith in god to withstand my time travel experiences, because in order not to panic, or develop exposure in the field, or suffer existential panic, I had to remember that anywhere I would go via time-travel was to a quantum environment where god had already been.

But then in the program, my child’s sort of Catholic faith in Jesus’ divinity was reinforced. Because my own father, who was a man of truth & an honest man, a man who I never found in a lie, or was caught in a lie, actually bore witness to his eyewitness account of the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

So, I’m not saying this to proselytize any of your listeners. But I’m simply saying that that’s what I witnessed in my life, and that affected the religion that I have today, which is that of a Christian.

John B: Well, I have to say that is about as good as it gets. Andrew Basiago, I got to tell you this has been a fabulous conversation & hope we can continue it again in the near future.

Andrew D Basiago: I do too, John, so thank you so much for having me today. I really appreciate it.

John B: As we get closer to 2016, we’ll definitely be in touch. Maybe the American people are more willing to be enlightened that we even think.

Andrew D Basiago: I think they are, John. I have more emails than I can answer.

John B: Excellent. If something breaks, reach out, if we don’t reach out to you first. Andrew D Basiago.

[jackovesk]

Do someone have a link to John B.Wells ((MP3 Podcasts)) not (YouTube Videos)...???

[Rozzy]

Posted by jackovesk (here)
Do someone have a link to John B.Wells ((MP3 Podcasts)) not (YouTube Videos)...???

CTM, Caravan to Midnight

John B. and CTM, rate five out of five from me.

[Arthur]

nonsense Pure FICTION and not based on truth and not Based on any communications:
"..... he was angry that I hadn’t clarified the point, I hadn’t distinguished the fact, that, in fact, Arthur Neumann alleges that he went to Mars via Jump Room for the large Livermore Laboratories in Berkeley, and not for the CIA or the NSA. "

BTW, Livermore Laboratories is Not and has never been in Berkeley!
Lawrence Berkeley Labs, yes. Both labs share some resources but are very different "animals"
And Arthur never utilized a so-called Jump Room.

suggestion: Question why anyone Creates such fictional material.
learn to be a critical reader and a critical thinker

one might reason that Any lawyer who has successfully graduated from a top University would rarely make such simple errors in writing Unless there was a Reason to Create and post erroneous material

Again: the comments made by the writer are fictional creations

nothing more needs be said about the above.

please listen to The Disclaimer made by Arthur at the Glendale, CA Conference.

Individuals and organisations are doing a Job, muddying the facts with Fiction
a very very sad state of affairs

some salting of facts is intentional and some done due to various states of human condition

time will sort this out
No need to be drawn into the energy draining sink

best wishes to All, regardless of the paths they choose to take or any apparent damage done intentionally or unintentionally

ENOUGH OF INVOLVEMENT IN SUCH NONSENSE

very very sad to see so many people wasting precious lives
Perusing such low-grade "Sci-Fi"

[turiya]

Posted by Arthur (here)
nonsense Pure FICTION and not based on truth and not Based on any communications:
"..... he was angry that I hadn’t clarified the point, I hadn’t distinguished the fact, that, in fact, Arthur Neumann alleges that he went to Mars via Jump Room for the large Livermore Laboratories in Berkeley, and not for the CIA or the NSA. "

BTW, Livermore Laboratories is Not and has never been in Berkeley!
Lawrence Berkeley Labs, yes. Both labs share some resources but are very different "animals"
And Arthur never utilized a so-called Jump Room.

suggestion: Question why anyone Creates such fictional material.
learn to be a critical reader and a critical thinker

one might reason that Any lawyer who has successfully graduated from a top University would rarely make such simple errors in writing Unless there was a Reason to Create and post erroneous material

Again: the comments made by the writer are fictional creations

nothing more needs be said about the above.

please listen to The Disclaimer made by Arthur at the Glendale, CA Conference.

Individuals and organisations are doing a Job, muddying the facts with Fiction
a very very sad state of affairs

some salting of facts is intentional and some done due to various states of human condition

time will sort this out
No need to be drawn into the energy draining sink

best wishes to All, regardless of the paths they choose to take or any apparent damage done intentionally or unintentionally

ENOUGH OF INVOLVEMENT IN SUCH NONSENSE

very very sad to see so many people wasting precious lives
Perusing such low-grade "Sci-Fi"

Thanks, Arthur, for your added comment... keeping an open mind... lots & lots of information given for a 3 hour interview, perhaps, some mis-statements / mis-quotes may have been made.

I see you have a join date of today (8th of February 2015), with this single post to your credit, I suspect that you must be the Arthur Neumann that is being discussed in the interview.

The Following From Wikipedia:

LLNL (Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory) was established 63 years ago in 1952 as the University of California Radiation Laboratory at Livermore, an offshoot of the existing UC Radiation Laboratory at Berkeley (also known as the Berkeley Lab). It was intended to spur innovation and provide competition to the nuclear weapon design laboratory at Los Alamos in New Mexico, home of the Manhattan Project that developed the first atomic weapons. Edward Teller and Ernest Lawrence,[3] director of the Radiation Laboratory at Berkeley, are regarded as the co-founders of the Livermore facility.
SOURCE

Livermore, about an hour southeast of Berkeley, was established at a former naval air station in 1952 by Lawrence and Edward Teller from what was originally a splinter from the original Radiation Laboratory. (Empasis mine.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrenc...ratory#History

With regards to both of you, Arthur & Andrew, Alfred Lambremont Webre has said:

"the independent whistleblower statements, in turn, provide a threshold of corroborative evidence that an intelligent civilization lives under the surface of Mars, and that this civilization is involved in on-going secret liaison programs with agencies of the US government, including the CIA."

Aside from the relative information regarding the Livermore Laboratories & Berkeley Labs information being precisely accurate, or not... and more to the point, are you saying that the crux of what you & Andy have come forward with, as far as there being humanoid life on Mars, is but a science fiction fantasy, as well? Do you still consider yourself a whistleblower regarding technology that has been kept secret & away from the public knowing about?

I think for the average critical reader and a critical thinker, the fact(s) as to whether there is humanoid life on Mars is rather more significant than your attempt to discredit what Andy is coming forth with. The details regarding Livermore Labs & Berkeley Labs I believe is rather trivial in comparison, imo.

Best regards

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks, Arthur, for your added comment... keeping an open mind... lots & lots of information given for a 3 hour interview, perhaps, some mis-statements / mis-quotes have been made.

I feel for Andy the amount of time and effort he has put into all this memory
retrieval and if it is giving him peace of mind great . Its hard to believe his
adventures and it could all be just an over active imagination as I said before . But
there is something about his tenacious pioneering spirit that's make me want
something of this tale to be true. He says he has 4 or 5 ? witness's or so to parts of
the programmes which should strengthen any case. But I'm still no closer to
believing it than when I first heard him approx 8/9 years ago. I will not ridicule
or belittle his efforts as it is brave of anyone to set himself up as he has and I'm
Still ' rooting ' for you Andy...LOL

[turiya]

From Andrew Basiago's 6 hour lecture (@ 5:31:14) published Nov 2013... ( http://youtu.be/D4LJLrRaGCE )

VIDEO HAS BEEN DELETED
UPON REQUEST FROM ARTHUR

Best regards

[turiya]

After checking out many of the 2014 Secret Space Program Conference lectures, it amazes me that Andrew Basiago was not invited as one of the speakers. This was unbelievable to me. As an actual DARPA / CIA whistleblower, and an early time traveler, and Tesla Teleportation Space Traveling Crononaut (to the Mars planet) - I think this was an unbelievable & unconscionable oversight on the part of those that put the SSP Conference together.

After all, Andrew's testimony identifies Donald Rumsfeld as having been one of the essential administrators of the Project Pegasus. When you add in the fact that the day before the 911 event, Donald Rumsfeld announced the missing 2.3 trillion dollars from the Pentagon. This man needs to be seriously investigated & asked some serious questions, imo, along the lines of the Black Budget that is talked about by Catherine Austin Fitts.

The following video answers some more questions that, perhaps, were not covered in the J B Well interview...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=k0dbVl7yB9w

Published on Mar 20, 2012

Andy finishes telling you the story of his time travel trip to 1863 to see Abraham Lincoln give the Gettysburg Address. He arrives in November, Gettysburg, Pennsylvania and has lost his hat, jacket, shoes and one sock in the time tunnel, so he throws away the other sock so he doesn't attract attention. Oh yeah, like being barefoot in November looks normal.

He shivers all the way into town, meets John Lawrence Burns, a Gettysburg cobbler and gets fitted with a size 14 shoe. I remembered them as size 13. I don't know why. I wear a size 10 1/2 D and Andy is short than me, so maybe he wears a size 9 1/2 or so. Size 14 shoes must have looked like he's riding in a boat. Burns stuffed paper in the front, to make them fit better and Andy is spotted by two fresh chickies and they are laughing at him. I'd have been over there, like a fly on watermelon, talking sweet to the ladies of 1863.

The chubby boy from 1972 runs into his Papa, instead and yells out, "Dad! What you are doing here in 1863 with me? Isn't time travel great?" His father, humiliated by the kid without any 'cool', says, "I'm not your father, kid. Now go away, you bother me!" Just joking! Anyway, you'll hear how it really went down.