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    Default Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

    China is conducting military exercises over a vast region of North Eastern China with hundreds of flights cancelled. It is reported to carry on for nearly a month. This has not happened before. What is the urgency?

    http://www.latimes.com/world/asia/la...721-story.html

    I am worried that this time the Mh17 conspiracy won’t fade away.

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    Default Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

    Quote Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
    Quote Do you think we'll get the truth from them?
    Good question, I would be surprised if they release anything
    that may suggest that the plane was attacked from behind
    by a missile fired by the Ukrainian fighter. Or whether a bomb
    was remotely detonated, hidden on board.

    Like most enquiries if the answer is not what they are looking
    for it will either be tampered with by the Russians,or reported
    that it was unable to be retrieved or the information on it was
    inaudible.

    We will have to wait and see, but I'm not holding my breath.
    The way it's all been playing out thus far it wouldn't surprise me if the released transcript from the flight recorder states that the pilots last words were,

    Pilot to co-pilot: "Look at those Russian rebels down there with that BUK missile launcher.....holy s**t! they just fired it at us!" End of transmission.

    Hence, case solved.....
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    Quote The way it's all been playing out thus far it wouldn't surprise me if the released transcript from the flight recorder states that the pilots last words were,

    Pilot to co-pilot: "Look at those Russian rebels down there with that BUK missile launcher.....holy s**t! they just fired it at us!" End of transmission.
    I expect that's one of the tapes they have already made...LOL






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    Quote Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
    Quote Posted by Pris (here)
    Quote Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
    British air accident investigators will retrieve data from the black boxes of crashed
    flight MH17, UK Prime Minister David Cameron has said.
    Do you think we'll get the truth from them?
    If they expose the true data it'll be the largest double-cross in recent history
    My feeling is : whoever is involved in the political game now , Russia, Ukraine , the EU , the UK, even the US , all getting equally uncomfortable about we are all looking under their hands now ..
    who is ever 'clean' and 'blameless' taking sides and parts of war ? Yet , they all build armies, they all continue taking sides ,
    and not one of them are ready to put economical and political goals and reasons aside to stand in defence of peace and human rights, and say no to the lies and the wars .

    As it's been said many times, here and else-where .. ''fighting for peace'' does not have any meaning . Peace is .. peace does not have to be 'achieved' , or even 'created' , disengaging from agendas would be enough to lift the weight from most conflicts .
    Can it happen ?

    I wish there were enough sober, reasonable thinking people on this planet to allow this .

    So far , the majority of people I see around in this world are living under oath, and someones major influence , making them believe not in the truth and their own clear reasoning but in someones else's goals and agendas ,
    making them believe in groups , in crowds of people, in 'mass' instead of intelligence, in past instead of presence or even future .
    You like positivism on this site and we all need to stay positive , not because this is 'the place' to do that but because it's who we are .. in our true nature .

    Beware of crowd thinking, crowd ideas ..


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    All I can say is WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Quote US: No link to Russian gov't in plane downing

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Senior U.S. intelligence officials said Tuesday that Russia was responsible for "creating the conditions" that led to the shooting down of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, but they offered no evidence of direct Russian government involvement.

    The intelligence officials were cautious in their assessment, noting that while the Russians have been arming separatists in eastern Ukraine, the U.S. had no direct evidence that the missile used to shoot down the passenger jet came from Russia.

    The officials briefed reporters Tuesday under ground rules that their names not be used in discussing intelligence related to last week's air disaster, which killed 298 people.

    The plane was likely shot down by an SA-11 surface-to-air missile fired by Russian-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine, the intelligence officials said, citing intercepts, satellite photos and social media postings by separatists, some of which have been authenticated by U.S. experts.

    But the officials said they did not know who fired the missile or whether any Russian operatives were present at the missile launch. They were not certain that the missile crew was trained in Russia, although they described a stepped-up campaign in recent weeks by Russia to arm and train the rebels, which they say has continued even after the downing of the commercial jetliner.

    In terms of who fired the missile, "we don't know a name, we don't know a rank and we're not even 100 percent sure of a nationality," one official said, adding at another point, "There is not going to be a Perry Mason moment here."

    The officials said the most likely explanation for why the plane was shot down is that the rebels made a mistake. Separatists previously had shot down 12 Ukrainian military airplanes, the officials said.

    The officials made clear they were relying in part on social media postings and videos made public in recent days by the Ukrainian government, even though they have not been able to authenticate all of it. For example, they cited a video of a missile launcher said to have been crossing the Russian border after the launch, appearing to be missing a missile.

    But later, under questioning, the officials acknowledged they had not yet verified that the video was exactly what it purported to be.

    On Monday, President Barack Obama said the Malaysia Airlines plane "was shot down over territory controlled by Russian-backed separatists in Ukraine." He also said Russia has both trained the separatists and "armed them with military equipment and weapons, including anti-aircraft weapons."

    http://www.seattlepi.com/news/politi...sh-5638522.php
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    'Great powers don't want to be encircled and threatened'



    Published on 21 Jul 2014


    Germany, France and Britain have threatened Moscow with sanctions over the MH17
    crash in eastern Ukraine. Shortly after the tragedy headlines blaming Russia have
    appeared in scores of publications across Europe. For more analysis on this RT is
    joined by British labor politician and former Mayor of London, Ken

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    Quote Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
    [...]

    Quote [...]

    The plane was likely shot down by an SA-11 surface-to-air missile fired by Russian-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine, the intelligence officials said, citing intercepts, satellite photos and social media postings by separatists, some of which have been authenticated by U.S. experts.

    [...]
    They keep insisting on a gun that failed to smoke:

    Out of the area of responsibility: Was Malaysian Boeing shot down by Ukrainian Buk?

    Vasiliy Sychov, Lenta.ru, Fri, 18 Jul 2014 14:30 CDT

    [...]

    The radius of scattered debris of the crashed Boeing 777 is at least fifteen kilometers. This suggests that the plane began to fall apart literally in the air at high altitude. The nature of the damage to be defined by analyzing the craft wreckage is yet unknown.

    [...]

    The Buk
    The version that Malaysian B777 airliner was shot down by Buk or Buk-M1 (the later versions are Buk-M1-2 and Buk-M2 were developed after the USSR collapse and were not supplied to the Ukraine) suffers a number of weaknesses...

    [...]

    Another point is interesting here. Any Buk anti-aircraft system missile, by virtue of its design features, leaves a distinct smoke trail, which can stay visible in the air up to ten minutes. However, within several hours no testimony of such trail appeared. They began to appear only in the afternoon of July 18. In particular, the Ukrainian RKM portal posted a photo * of a smoky anti-aircraft missile trail allegedly shot at Malaysian Boeing. Reliability of that photo is unknown, but according to the RKM, it was given by Gerashchenko, who specified that the missile was launched from the third district of Torez town.

    It should be noted that for Buk-M1 systems capable of recognizing such targets as a plane, a helicopter or a ballistic missile, the probability of hitting a major air aerodynamic target is 60-70 percent. This is one of the reasons why at least two consecutive missile launches are required to hit an aircraft. This means that such anti-aircraft missile launch must have witnesses. The exact information on whether such launch took place can only be provided via the objective means of control, such as Voronezh-DM radar data in Krasnodar territory or control systems in the Rostov region of Russia.

    [...]

    Full article: http://www.sott.net/article/282272-O...-Ukrainian-Buk


    * If you check the picture given at the link, you'll see the same blue sky background that was absent on the day of the crash...
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    Quote But later, under questioning, the [US intelligence] officials acknowledged they had not yet verified that the [YouTube] video was exactly what it purported to be.
    And yet the State Department is hanging a big part of their “slam-dunk” argument on the intelligence analysis of an “unverified” video, one which has already been fairly conclusively debunked by Russian sources, the location of the BUK transport being shown to be 120 km inside Ukraine-controlled territory from the address on the billboard, a fact easily checked by any teenager with a Smartphone.

    So much for the “cautious, careful and conclusive” work of the super-expensive and super-secret US Intelligence services who are supposedly advising the White House and State Department about all matters of “national security” here. In this light, they now appear to be more naive than the most amateur blogger, and certainly less savvy than the average Avalonian or reader of AltMedia.

    Kudos, too, to that intrepid reporter (Matt Lee of Associated Press) at that State Department briefing yesterday who kept politely and persistently pressing his very simple questions for some tangible evidence for the US government’s bland position that Russian separatists did it. MSM reporters must be reading our blogs and AltMedia, and are realizing how we are running rings around their doofus so-called “objective” MSM. The rats deserting are increasing - or at least starting to do their job in defense of their own self-esteem.

    Gawd, how this Emperor is so naked.... And now the people are starting to publically snicker and point. It’s too obvious.

    Cheers,

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    Quote Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
    [...]

    Quote The officials made clear they were relying in part on social media postings and videos made public in recent days by the Ukrainian government, even though they have not been able to authenticate all of it. For example, they cited a video of a missile launcher said to have been crossing the Russian border after the launch, appearing to be missing a missile.

    [...]
    I almost fell off my chair laughing so hard! [FOCLSH]

    Scary, though, that they rely on what "we" post... because they have all the technologies they need to truly know what actually happened, hence demonstrating their angle is a psyop one and that their monitoring of social media is social-engineering oriented.

    ... so I guess that they failed to reach their 80-85% with their psyop
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    It could be worse. Can you imagine John McCain, sans suit?
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    Quote Posted by Selene (here)
    The rats deserting are increasing - or at least starting to do their job in defense of their own self-esteem.
    I wouldn't go that far, they are only relaying info that is spoon fed to them, this backpedaling development is "released" info meant to be mainstream, a sure sign they are now in "scramble mode" to lightly step back a few and re-group.

    I'm figuring Russia personally sent a currier to Obama some some damning data or the black box scenario can't be fully controlled (could be a number of other things too), but either way they are big time stepping back a few feet for some reason.
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    Quote Posted by Paul (here)
    Quote Posted by Selene (here)
    Gawd, how this Emperor is so naked....
    It could be worse. Can you imagine John McCain, sans suit?
    McCain is probably overturning the tables in the war room about right now!
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    Quote Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
    Quote Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
    [...]

    Quote The officials made clear they were relying in part on social media postings and videos made public in recent days by the Ukrainian government, even though they have not been able to authenticate all of it. For example, they cited a video of a missile launcher said to have been crossing the Russian border after the launch, appearing to be missing a missile.

    [...]
    I almost fell off my chair laughing so hard! [FOCLSH]

    Scary, though, that they rely on what "we" post... because they have all the technologies they need to truly know what actually happened, hence demonstrating their angle is a psyop one and that their monitoring of social media is social-engineering oriented.

    ... so I guess that they failed to reach their 80-85% with their psyop
    Like I said ... they are moving dangerously close to proving that tampered-with media is used
    to base strategies and agendas on. I think they are holding their horses with evidence because
    once supplied there is no path back for plausible deny-ability.

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    I'm not a huge fan of Putin's, nor any other big leader on the worlds stage these days, but, I must say, out of all the major players, Putin is probably IMO one of the most level headed, patient, and intelligent ones.......a great political chess player, which to sum it up, likely one of the most dangerous people on the planet.
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    As far as I'm concerned, we can pontificate till the cows come home on the why's and the what's and the who's on any give thing that comes up on the global front, but this incident concerning this downed airliner did nothing but amp up just another covert proxy war taking place around the globe between the US and co. and Russia and co. But here's what I do know, the winds of war are upon us and I just jotted down a note to myself to go to the next local ham radio fest to check out what they're selling.
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    Quote Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
    I'm not a huge fan of Putin's, nor any other big leader on the worlds stage these days, but, I must say, out of all the major players, Putin is probably IMO one of the most level headed, patient, and intelligent ones.......a great political chess player, which to sum it up, likely one of the most dangerous people on the planet.
    Silent, I wish I'd said that.

    Yes, exactly. We watch this chess match with interest.

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    Key Information in Reverse Chronological Order:

    http://slavyangrad.wordpress.com/2014/07/18/

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    Quote Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN (here)
    Key Information in Reverse Chronological Order:

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    Glad you concur!

    See post # 279 and post #288
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    Default Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

    This is an interesting comment to an article from Henry Makow which states this:
    Quote Our governments and mass media are flat out lying to us about 9-11 etc.. It's obvious.

    But maybe that's the point.

    The more obvious the lies we acquiesce to, the more we have been satanically possessed.
    First Comment from Dan:

    The greater trauma of 911 for me was knowing from other peoples' reactions, that it was dangerous for me to state the obvious, even conversationally. At that time, I only knew one fellow at work whom I could sense saw what really happened.

    The Towers fell from controlled demolition, and the lack of aircraft debris at the Pentagon and the other crash site you've mentioned. We didn't need an expert to explain what was shown in broad daylight before our eyes.

    But you could NOT say it at work or even to friends. This wasn't the first time people were silenced in America, but it was the first time in my lifetime. (I was born in the 1950's).

    A lot of adults that are currently the primary demographic target of the MSM news and entertainment media were only 11 years old on 911.

    They weren't old enough to KNOW what they'd seen, so they believed exactly what the media and President told them.

    More importantly - because they didn't recognize the lies - they didn't experience the REAL trauma of 911, which was the loss of 50 years of the hard won right to free thought and free speech.

    I want to explain to them that the key to the 911 psychological operation was that they made it unbelievable ON PURPOSE.

    Here's an analogy. Say you come home from school and find you're mother has been murdered. Your father is there talking to the police.

    Now, imagine hearing your father telling the police all sorts of lies about a neighbor to frame him for the murder - and the police believe him.

    If that happened to you, would you suspect your father had something to hide? Imagine how creepy it would be to live [in] your father's house after that.

    That's how psychological terrorism works.

    ****************************************************************

    See how the above relates to this thread:

    True Cabal Insider, Dr. Richard Day, Delivers Talk in 1969 Outlining 'the Full Agenda' (read the transcripts or listen to the tapes)

    ... as well as this one:

    To all members: important changes in internet law, and how forum security may be affected

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    PS: Does anyone remember that being labelled a "9-11 truther" or "denier" warranted one a visit to a hospital's psychiatric ward for "assessment"?
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