Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

[sigma6]

Posted by Tesseract (here)

Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
Maria Harf ....The 'Dumbest' blonde in Washington ?
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Not dumb, but a firm Zionist, and an all-knowing part of the propaganda machine. US Hegemony on the back of a brain-washed public is clearly her objective.

She is dumb too! If she is willing to whore herself for that job... makes me wanna harf

Are American Jews incubating another Hitler?

Why would they have to go through the trouble, they could just call up one of the Rothschilds and ask where's the latest bastard child they sired...

[Cidersomerset]

This is falling apart faster then any false flag in history. This is a good sign

Its difficult to know what to believe especially for the ordinary mainstream viewer,
or our own friends and family . I knew all about propaganda and the art of
deception,which started with the Trojan Horse and was honed to a high degree in
WW11 with dummy Tanks , planes and even armies. Espionage and counter
espionage which carried on thru the cold war and still goes on with Prism and other
clandestine techniches

But with 9/11 and hologram tech. crisis actors. MK Ultra, Manchurian candidates,
super soldiers, and masses of corrupt/blackmailed officials and families placed in
strategic places including most of the US Presidents that are all related to each
other , then back to English and French royalty.......How is that possible in a so
called free democratic country like the American Dream was portrayed. Then
we learn in was set up by Masons and other elites from the start and infiltrated
by the Rothchilds and others later.

Anything s possible.......A lot is to do with Putin organising BRICS and other
economicthreats to the Western Rothchild and associates Empire. Like Sadam ,
Gadaffi and others leaders once propped up by the west when suited then
dispatched when surplus to need. or if they go rogue with their own ideas that are
counter to the cabal.


The black box's going to the UK is interesting, there are real good people like Dr.
Kelly , Robin Cook and many others that spoke out to there own cost and more will
speak out if they knew the truth. I cannot see the British government letting the
truth out , they will back Obamas stance on Russia. They may not blame Russia ,
but will probably fudge it and say either there was no conclusive data or they are
damaged somehow . Anyway we will find out in due course.

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Talking of Sandy Hook there was an article on Davids site today....I almost posted
it as a thread but have not got round to it.


Sent worldwide, Shannon Hick’s ‘iconic’ Sandy Hook photo ‘was faked’

Saturday 26th July 2014 at 08:48 By david-icke





‘According to TIME, “At 10:09 am, 10 minutes after she climbed out of her vehicle,
she snapped the shutter on an elementary school class being led out of the school
by two Connecticut State Police officers.

‘I knew that, coming out of the building — as terrified as they were — those
children were safe,’ Hicks said, of the photograph soon to grace the front pages of
newspapers, magazines, and nearly every breaking news website around the
world. ‘I just felt that it was an important moment.’”

The only problem with this story is that it is false! We have a photograph of the
photographer taking the photograph! It was staged and Sandy Hook was a hoax,
which means that Shannon Hicks and The Newtown Bee were complicit in the fraud,
the full dimensions of which are becoming apparent.’

Read more: Sent worldwide, Shannon Hick’s 'iconic' Sandy Hook photo 'was faked'

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/07...se-affidavits/

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/

[sigma6]

Putin maintaining old fashion (orthodox) Christian values
while the US President is homosexual promoting president.

All the Bolshevik leaders that killed over 66 million people were JEWS in disguise

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=u7uWwZu2tas

There's your motive.

Another thought... What if this is all preparation for the inevitable economic slow down that is going to hit Western "democracies" They will be having severe problems maintaining the public sentiment. The leadership loyalty will be zero. So they have to build in propaganda today that it "was Russia's fault" The West needs a real war to write off debt or a cold war to justify their protectionist, police state economic fall. This is just laying out the carpet. And a big jockey for position last hurrah, role of the dice, what have they got to lose moment. Who knows if they are lucky they could hit this propaganda campaign out of the park and score.

[Cidersomerset]

Putin maintaining old fashion (orthodox) Christian values
while the US President is homosexual promoting president.

All the Bolshevik leaders that killed over 66 million people were JEWS in disguise


Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=u7uWwZu2tas

Yeah I heard it yesterday and posted a longer interview
with Texe and he raises good points......


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QUOTE]It does seem Israel is connected to MH17, but speculation is all it's adding up too.
With Israel ramping up it's killing machine and the media focusing more there right now,
I don't believe it's an accident or coincidental that the masses (mindless minds) are being
steered drastically in that direction right now.
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According to Texe the US and Israel are behind the Ukrainian mess...

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A bit biblical but this is at the heart of all this bollocks, and some elites follow
this like gospel ( so to speak ) and this may be why these events are being
manipulated into fulfilling prophecy......He explains how Israel and the US
organised and sponsored the 'Orange 'revolution and are controlling events
behind the scenes....



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TEXE MARRS - MYSTERY BABYLON LIVES! - JULY 19, 2014

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=W43rs-Oqc3g

Published on 19 Jul 2014


Ezekiel 38-39 prophesies that in the last days, Gog, demonic ruler of the land of Magog,
shall come against Israel, which is brought forth out of the nations. He shall come like a
storm and shall conquer this land of unwalled villages, and take them hostage

Who is Gog? Where is the land of Magog? Now, with new and astonishing archaeological
and genetic discoveries, we have amazing evidence that, in fact, Magog is situated in
Southern Russia, in the Caucusus, and Gog is the name of the great ruler of the Kingdom
of Khazaria. Khazaria is the land of the non-Semitic, Turkic peoples who falsely claim to be
Jews. From Khazaria, in the eight century, these pagan peoples, having converted to Judaism,
fled to Europe to escape invading Russian warriors.

In 1948, the Khazarians went on to Palestine, where they conquered the peaceful Palestinians
and set up a pretentious, new "Kingdom of Israel." The Khazarians, claiming to be "Jews," are
from Magog. Led by Satan's Gog, in the last days they are destined to plunge the entire world
into bloodshed, chaos, and war. Ezekiel 38-39 is fulfilled in front of our eyes! http://www.texemarrs.com/

[naste.de.lumina]

Busted! MH-17 Was in Fact the 'Lost' Flight MH-370



Full report

[Cidersomerset]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=CHkvXsItodc

Dutch military police in Ukraine to investigate flight MH175 hours ago

Forty Dutch military police officers have arrived in east Ukraine hoping to
investigate the Malaysian airliner apparently shot down there on 17 July.

Pro-Russian separatist rebels in eastern Ukraine have been accused of
downing the Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17.

All 298 people on board, including 193 Dutch nationals, died.

Tom Burridge reports.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28506109

[Cidersomerset]

Left in Lurch: Ukraine soldiers in despair without support and leadership

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=_v0hWhTddqY

Published on 27 Jul 2014


Almost 4 months since the start of the military operation in Ukraine, morale in the army
appears to be waning. Soldiers wounded on the frontline say their commanders are
neglecting them. RT's Roman Kosarev reports. READ MORE

[Cidersomerset]

MH17 HOAX: Crash Scene Evidence Reveals No Boeing-777 Engine

new Sunday 27th July 2014 at 09:35 By david-icke





‘It’s now established that US and international troops were deployed to the Ukraine under Exercise Rapid
Trident – a 12-Nation joint military exercise in the Ukraine coinciding with the alleged crash of MH-17.

How many times have government and military exercises turned into false flag events like 9/11, Sandy
Hook, Boston Marathon Bombing and now – the sensationalized downing of a Malaysian Airliner, MH-17,
as another in a long line of False Flags. ‘

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=qopnTeQUlUM

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=lGuJInTY1Ws

RT News


Ukraine will play host, but the US military will call the shots, in an upcoming
military exercise called Rapid Trident that will bring together some 1,300
international forces in Ukraine for a long-planned exercise.

Although the United States canceled Atlas Vision 2014, which was scheduled to
take place in July in the northeastern Russian city of Chelyabinsk, the Pentagon
says it will go ahead with plans for a multinational military exercise this summer in Ukraine.


Atlas Vision is a bi-lateral U.S-Russian Ground Forces exercise. The exercise will
consist of a battalion-level command post exercise/Computer Assisted exercise and
a platoon-level field training exercise.

Interesting how the media has erased the fact that Russia knows all about Rapid
Trident including MH-17 evidence “irregularities”.

More interesting is that Russia had planned to participate in one of these US-led
events – Atlas Vision – on their own soil. Meanwhile, investigators and bloggers
continue to get blind-sided by disinfo couched as insider “leaks” from allegedly
trusted sources.

No doubt that every player forecasting the “new Cold War” are completely informed
about the MH-17 hoax as integrated into a war games exercise.

When will investigators learn to look first, for the planned exercise as the pretext to
a hoax/False Flag as was the case in 9/11, Sandy Hook and Boston Marathon
Bombing.?

HOAX: Bogus Engine Debris at Alleged MH-17 Crash Site



The huge, wide-body Boeing-777-200 is powered by one of the most powerful
turbofan engines in the world.

The General Electric GE90 engine has a diameter of 10.5 feet.

OLYMPUS DIGITAL CAMERA No mammoth GE90 turbofan engine parts can be
identified in crash scene photos. Instead, the engine parts all appear to originate
from a different type and design of aircraft. It is certain to say that engine parts in
the photographs could never have powered a Boeing 777 aircraft.

The crash of a giant B-777 falling from over 30,000 ft. altitude would be expected
to leave a large impact crater, yet the debris appears to be dumped on the ground
as if hauled in by truck.




Alleged Crash site engine debis not from B-777

Click to Enlarge

Coconuts TV Reports:


“Michael Holmes of CNN shared an image on Twitter via his account @holmescnn of
a section of what appears to be a Malaysia Airlines jetliner on a grassy field. The
Malaysian flag is clearly depicted and the red and blue livery colours used by MAS
are also shown.”

The source of the images, a man identifying himself as a tourist guide / traveller /
photographer / former soldier from Slovenia, @MatevzNovak, has since posted
more photos – taken by a Nadezhda Chernetskaya – of what he claims to be the
crash site of Flight MH17 in Grabovo, Ukraine. (TRNS)




No evidence of Boeing-777 engines at crash site could conclude that neither MH-17
nor MH-370 were struck by a missile!

Vertical stabilizer at alleged crash site fails to match Boeing-777 profile specific to
9M-MRD alias flight MH-17




Vertical stabilizer at crash site no match for 9M-MRD






Read more: MH17 HOAX: Crash Scene Evidence Reveals No Boeing-777 Engine


http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/07...ng-777-engine/

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/

[Cidersomerset]

Washington Is Escalating the Orchestrated Ukrainian ‘Crisis’ to War

new Sunday 27th July 2014 at 09:34 By david-icke





‘Twenty-two US senators have introduced into the 113th Congress, Second Session, a bill, S.2277, “To prevent
further Russian aggression toward Ukraine and other sovereign states in Europe and Eurasia, and for other purposes.
” The bill is before the Committee on Foreign Relations.

Note that prior to any evidence of any Russian aggression, there are already 22 senators lined up in behalf of
preventing further Russian aggression.

Accompanying this preparatory propaganda move to create a framework for war, hot or cold with Russia, NATO
commander General Philip Breedlove announced his plan for a deployment of massive military means in Eastern
Europe that would permit lightening responses against Russia in order to protect Europe from Russian aggression.’

Read more: Washington Is Escalating the Orchestrated Ukrainian 'Crisis' to War


http://www.davidicke.com/wordpress/w...52-587x391.jpg

[Cidersomerset]

Ukrainian Air Defense Exercises Might be Behind Malaysian Aircraft Crash – Source

new Sunday 27th July 2014 at 09:23 By david-icke





‘A system mix up during a Ukrainian air defense units’ rocket launch exercise could be the cause of the Malaysia
Airlines crash in southeast Ukraine, a source from one of the Ukrainian defense departments told RIA Novosti.

“On July 17 the commanding officer of 156th Anti-Aircraft Regiment was instructed to conduct a training exercise
of ground troops stationed near Donetsk, which involved deploying the troops, and carrying out a routine tracking
and destroying of targets with the Buk-M1 missile,” the source said.

The source added that the actual launch of the rockets was not intended.’

Two Sukhoi Su-25 combat aircraft on a reconnaissance mission participated in the exercise. It is likely at some point,
the routes of the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 and a Su-25 jet overlapped. Despite flying at different levels, they
became a single dot on the radar of the missile system. Of the two, the system automatically chose a larger
target.

The reasons for the actual missile launch taking place remain unknown and are still under investigation, as practical
exercises with the Buk missiles has been prohibited since 2001, when a Russian Tu-154 passenger airplane en route
from Novosibirsk to Tel Aviv was shot down by the Ukrainian military.

At the moment, an international team of 24 experts is investigating the plane crash. The B777-200 aircraft had a clean
maintenance record and was last checked on July 11 at Malaysia Airlines’ hangar at Kuala Lumpur International Airport.

Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 heading from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur crashed on July 17 near the city of Donetsk
in Ukraine, killing all 298 people on board. Kiev placed the blame on the independence supporters in eastern Ukraine
for shooting the plane down, but the latter insisted they did not have the means to shoot down an aircraft flying at
32,000 feet.



Read more: Ukrainian Air Defense Exercises Might be Behind Malaysian Aircraft Crash – Source


http://en.ria.ru/world/20140725/1912...Malaysian.html

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/

[Cidersomerset]

Ukraine’s Army Fires Phosphorus Bombs at Donetsk – People’s Republic

new Sunday 27th July 2014 at 09:18 By david-icke

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=yZLEQDMj7Zg

‘Ukrainian troops fired internationally banned phosphorus bombs at Donetsk and Mandrykino
in eastern Ukraine overnight, the Donetsk People’s Republic has said.

“Ukraine’s Army uses phosphorus munitions during the shelling of Donetsk, Mandrykino on July
26, 2014,” the DNR said in its Twitter microblog Saturday. A YouTube video confirms the claims.

A representative of Russia’s General Staff said Friday Moscow has evidence that Ukraine used
phosphorus bombs on populated areas in the country’s east. He added that the Ukrainian army
used phosphorous bombs in eastern Ukraine at least six times.’

Read more: Ukraine’s Army Fires Phosphorus Bombs at Donetsk – People’s Republic

http://www.prisonplanet.com/ukraines...-republic.html

[sigma6]

‘A system mix up during a Ukrainian air defense units’ rocket launch exercise could be the cause of the Malaysia
Airlines crash in southeast Ukraine, a source from one of the Ukrainian defense departments told RIA Novosti.

Given all the pointed pure BS rhetoric given by the US/Britain, Media Diarrhea, which is now going to be the Basis of a war with Russia inside Ukraine. (I see Ukraine splitting)

Why doesn't Russia just attach real and existing motives. In some ways the way they are leaking out the information so slowly it's almost like they are supporting the US propaganda? (Pieczenik Theory)



ie. Right after BRICS, which will result in Billions lost to the Federal Reserve which is hurting the Jewish Banking Families, who have been educating and training Jewish Ukrainians who became Right Sector who were the most capable culprits for the over 100 sniping deaths during the Coup of the illegitimately voted Ukrainian Government. ...

The argument of the West Ukes is they didn't vote for him. Then what is their argument for the Coup Government to bomb the East because they don't want to be part of an criminally sanctioned government? Ukraine must split. Let the Russians be Russians and let the remaining Ukrainians join the Bankrupted IMF/Nato/US/Israeli backed banking cabal. It's all a set up anyway isn't it?

How is the current government of Ukraine legitimate again? Because Yanukovich fled (knowing he would have been murdered like Saddam, Ghadaffy, etc...)?

USA!! USA!! USA!!

[Cidersomerset]

How is the current government of Ukraine legitimate again? Because Yanukovich fled (knowing he would have been murdered like Saddam, Ghadaffy, etc...)?

USA!! USA!! USA!!

David goes thru a lot of all this current 's---'....Individually these
events just seem like protracted chaos and local rivalries that brew
up from time to time, like all thru history and they all have friction
points. But this is bigger and the people manipulating and
pulling the strings Rothchild bankers etc and the dark forces behind
them have control of the main western Media and have targeted
Putin as the next sacrifice. Putin may also have been propped up
by the dark forces in the past as many leaders are, with or without
their knowledge.But as soon as they show signs of diverting from
their agendas they are usually gotton rid of......


David Icke on Red Ice Radio: Origins of Israel & New Mono World Order

new Sunday 27th July 2014 at 10:15 By david-icke





‘Considered one of the classics of conspiracy research, David Icke has spent the last
quarter of a century unraveling the secrets of the universe, reality and the forces that
manipulate our world. After writing more than 20 books, David Icke has driven on with
his unrelentless investigation into subject areas that others don’t dare touch.

Icke shares his analysis of US occupation in the Middle East. He’ll also talk about ISIS,
with an alleged extremist Islamic agenda, yet silence from Israel. We’ll talk about the
genocide of Palestinians and the redrawing of the Middle East with Israel as the new dictator.’

David discusses the origins of Israel, which is based on a hoax. He’ll discuss events
leading up to the creation of the State of Israel. Then, we’ll talk about where the elite
want to take the world and the techniques they’re using to get there. Their techniques
include the destruction of nationhood and forced multiculturalism. Icke comments on
Europeans who are re-acting to preserve their nationhood, challenging the European
Union and fighting back. We’ll talk about how the elite are working hard to establish a
one world culture, a mono everything, through killing true diversity. Later, he’ll speak
on the inner core of Zionism that functions like a secret society. We also talk about how
young Jews are being programmed from birth and being used for a bigger strategy. At
the end we discuss how people are frightened into silence, sticking their heads in the
sand but this will not make the problems go away. Diversity of everything, including
power is needed.


Listen here …






http://www.redicecreations.com/radio...RIR-140725.php

[Cidersomerset]

" This interview will get you really angry at "Insanity Hannity " Guarenteed !!



Cenk Uygur Trashes ‘Pussy’ Hannity: ‘I’ll Kick His Ass All Day Long’

new Sunday 27th July 2014 at 08:30 By david-icke

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=XJDndoGWL1c

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Ceasefire Reveals Horrific Images Of Gaza Neighborhoods Reduced To Rubble By Israeli Airstrikes

new Sunday 27th July 2014 at 07:28 By david-icke

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=NjP4WFXqcVs

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The children of Gaza I Channel 4 News

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=p5I8qcdTGrc

Published on 26 Jul 2014


Jon Snow's moving message upon his return from Gaza.

[Billy]

Good in depth article here.

http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/07/2...e-flag-attack/

MH17 Verdict: Real Evidence Points to US-Kiev Cover-up of Failed False Flag
July 25, 2014 By 21wire 115 Comments
21st Century Wire
SPECIAL REPORT
UPDATED

Until this past Monday, the downing of Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17 on July 17th, 2014, was a potential game changer for global geopolitics and the New Cold War. However, a funny thing happened on the way to the Kremlin…

In this report, we will lay out the facts based on a wide breadth of available information and data surrounding MH17. We will also present and give critique to Washington and Kiev’s “mountain of evidence” that has saturated US and European-based media coverage since the incident took place. 21WIRE has compiled this report with the help of many contributors and references from English-speaking media, as well as material translated from Russian and Ukrainian media sources, along with other historical references to provide context. Our objective is to get as close to the truth as possible. Although many revelations will appear to be self-evident, we still encourage the public to draw their own conclusions regarding this pivotal event.

There are other well-known anomalies surrounding this event which have been covered at 21WIRE, as well as connections to MH370, but for the purposes of this investigation we will focus on both factual and speculative evidence brought forth by the US, Ukraine and Russia.

As we will clearly demonstrate, the only wild conspiracy theories being pushed right now, are those coming out of the US State Department, and the government in Kiev, Ukraine, which are being repeated by CNN, BBC, FOX-NewsCorp, ABC, CBS and NBC…

The Brink of War

Last Monday morning was not a pleasant one for the US State Department. Russian officials surprised Washington and its NATO partners when it released all available satellite imagery and air traffic control data which was recorded in and around the final minutes of Flight MH17 – and presented it to the world media on live television. The data painted a very different picture, drawing contrasting conclusions to what Washington and Kiev officials had been disseminating via western media since July 17th. Following their presentation, Moscow handed its findings – air traffic data and time stamped satellite imagery – to European authorities. We will review those findings in detail later in this report. In stark contrast, US officials have been reluctant to do the same. Is Washington willing to share any object data or evidence to the public, or is it only interested in sharing that which somehow fits into the same predetermined narrative it stood by on July 17th, one which already assigned guilt to both rebel fighters in eastern Ukraine and Russia?

We hope that political leaders and media organizations in the US and Europe will take the time to consider all available information, rather than simply repeat and spin what is bouncing around the media echo chamber. It’s also crucial to understand the geopolitical context in which this incident has occurred in order to discover who really possessed the motive, and the means to destroy this passenger aircraft, and which parties stand to benefit most from such an international incident.

After reviewing the evidence, all indicators points to the downing of MH17 as a highly coordinated, but failed false flag event.

MH17: A Doomed Flight Path

A Malaysian Airlines spokesman has already confirmed that, for some unknown reason, Kiev-based Ukrainian Air Traffic Control (ATC) ordered MH17 off of its original flight path along the international air route, known as L980.

Most likely, this order was given to pilots while MH17 was still in Polish air space. L980 is one of the most popular and most congested air routes in the world, as well as a key link between major international hubs in Europe, like London Heathrow, Amsterdam Schiphol, and Frankfurt, and Asian destinations, like Singapore, Mumbai, Hong Kong and Kuala Lumpur.

As MH17 moved into Ukrainian air space, it was moved by ATC Kiev approximately 200 miles north – putting it on a new course, heading directly into a war zone, a well-known dangerous area by now – one that’s hosted a number of downed military craft over the previous 3 weeks.

Robert Mark, a commercial pilot and editor of Aviation International News Safety magazine, confirmed that most Malaysia Airlines flights from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur would normally travel along a route significantly further south than the route MH17 was diverted onto. Data on all airline flight records can be found here.

The BBC reported on July 17th: “Ukraine’s SBU security service has confiscated recordings of conversations between Ukrainian air traffic control officers and the crew of the doomed airliner, a source in Kiev has told Interfax news agency.”

Independent investigators are worried that ATC audio records of the MH17 flight appear to have been confiscated by the Kiev government. No reason has been given for this loss of transparency, but not a word from Washington regarding this cover-up of crucial evidence.

Did this order to change the flight path come from the Ukrainian authorities? Was the pilot instructed to change course? To be sure, the order to change the flight path did not come from Eurocontrol, but rather from ATC in Kiev.

Clue: British media run interference by conjuring a “Storm”

Soon after the incident, British news outlets began floating the story - without evidence, that MH17 was diverted to “avoid thunderstorms in southern Ukraine”. This was also placed on Wikipedia at the same time. Nico Voorbach, who is Dutch, is president of the European Cockpit Association, and was the man used to nudge out this talking point. Voorbach casually slides this crucial fabrication out there, telling The Guardian of all papers, “I heard that MH17 was diverting from some showers as there were thunderclouds”.

The only problem is that Malaysian Airlines immediately refuted this in a report from Malaysia News:

“MAS operations director Captain Izham Ismail has also refuted claims that heavy weather led to MH17 changing its flight plan (…) There were no reports from the pilot to suggest that this was the case,” Izham said.

What is significant, however, is that the Western media acknowledged that the change in the flight path did occur, indicating that the alleged “heavy weather” narrative is a fabrication designed to distract, and obscure the fact that MH17′s course was indeed divert into the war zone that day.
Global Research clarifies this confusing issue:

“The route over Ukrainian airspace where the incident occurred is commonly used for Europe to Asia flights. A flight from a different carrier was on the same route at the time of the MH17 incident, as were a number of other flights from other carriers in the days and weeks before. Eurocontrol maintains records of all flights across European airspace, including those across Ukraine.”

“What this statement confirms is that the MH17 ‘s “usual flight path” was similar to the flight paths of some 150 international flights which cross Eastern Ukraine on a daily basis. According to Malaysian Airlines “The usual flight route [across the sea of Azov] was earlier declared safe by the International Civil Aviation Organisation. The International Air Transportation Association has stated that the airspace the aircraft was traversing was not subject to restrictions (that approved flight path is indicated in the maps below).”

The regular flight path of MH17 (and other international flights) over a period of ten days prior to July 17th (day of the disaster), crossing Eastern Ukraine in a southeasterly direction is across the Sea of Azov.

The Times of India reported this: “Minutes before the crash caused by a missile strike, the AI pilots had also heard the controller give the Malaysian aircraft MH17 what is called “a direct routing”. This permits an aircraft to fly straight, instead of tracking the regular route which is generally a zig-zag track that goes from one ground-based navigation aid or way point to another. “Direct routing saves fuel and time and is preferred by pilots. In this case, it proved fatal,” said an airline source.”

UPDATE TBC: A number of bloggers have reported that the past flights on FlightRadar and FlightAware were changed between July 24-25th, the new “old flights” were placed over the Donetsk People’s Republic instead of the flights going further south. This does not jibe with what was reported last week by researcher Vagelis Karmiros using data from flight-tracking website Flightaware and published on a number established sites like Zero Hedge. Stay tuned here for updates.

The Event

The fatal event occurred somewhere in the interval between 17:21:28 and 17:22:30 Moscow Time. The exact time of the crash is believed to be at 5:23pm. The last available geographic coordinates can be found here on Flight Radar24:


Weather and Visibility Factor

Kiev-based air traffic controllers not only led MH17 right over its alleged ‘target zone’ in Eastern Ukraine’s Donetsk region, but also helped make it visible.

Although weather data online is all but unavailable for the area of Donetsk, Ukraine for July 17th, conditions are evident by numerous videos depicting the crash and crash site in the aftermath – it was cloudy and overcast, with more visibility above the cloud canopy. This factor is important because at its cruising altitude of approximately 33,000 feet (10,000 meters), the airliner would not be visible from the ground in the rebel-held area where Washington is insisting a SAM missile was launched. Why Kiev air traffic controllers order MH17 to suddenly drop its altitude, from 35,000 feet to around 33,000 feet, just before the plane’s demise is unknown for sure, but it would have been near impossible for the alleged rebel gunman occupying this relatively small rebel-held patch of land to make a visual sighting of MH17 and acquire the target during the 1-2 minute window they would have had (assuming they were even in possession of the BUK missile system).


The Los Angeles Times reports:

“Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 was cruising just 1,000 feet above restricted airspace when it was struck by a missile in Ukraine’s Donetsk region, according to aviation and intelligence officials.

“Despite ongoing violence in eastern Ukraine, including the recent downing of two military aircraft, Ukrainian aviation officials had closed the region’s airspace only below 32,000 feet in altitude.

Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 was cruising just 1,000 feet above restricted airspace (33,000 ft) when it was struck by a missile in Ukraine’s Donetsk region, according to aviation and intelligence officials.”

To date, Kiev has refused to acknowledge or explain why the plane was moved into position in this way. Moreover, Interfax news agency reported that Ukraine’s SBU security service confiscated recordings of conversations between Ukrainian air traffic control officers and the crew immediately after the incident.

The probability that this is all an ‘unfortunate coincidence’ reduces to near zero when one considers the air traffic data and Kiev’s denial of the close proximity of its Ukrainian SU-25 fighter jet in pursuit of MH17 minutes before the crash (see ‘Aircraft in the Vicinity’ below).

Small Rebel Target Window

Much has been made by the US and its media of MH17 being shot down and crashing in “the rebel-held area”, but few are aware of just how small the said area actually is. The Ukrainian military had already isolated the rebel area which Kiev and Washington insist a rebel-controlled BUK SAM missile battery had fired on the passenger jet. The actual size of this rebel-held patch is only 50 miles wide, with MH17 approaching on a southeastern route over Horlivka, the frontline of this rebel-held zone, towards Snezhnoye (Snizhne). Cruising at 580 mph (933 kmph), MH17 would have only been visible for a very short time – just over 1 minute (if Kiev had not ordered MH17 to alter its course and altitude then it would not have been visible at all), from the vantage point of the alleged rebel firing position. According the Janes Defense, the alleged culprit – an SA-11 (NATO code name) or ‘BUK’ missile system, requires 5 minutes set-up active targeting, followed by an additional 22 seconds ‘reaction time’ for target acquisition and firing. As the MH17 was only visible for 70 seconds above this rebel-held area surrounding Grabovo, unless the alleged rebel firing position was specifically tracking MH17 long before it entered the rebel-held airspace and could distinguish it from other military civilian aircraft also in the general vicinity, Washington’s theory and Kiev’s accusation – that rebels shot down this aircraft becomes even weaker.

Considering these factors, the probability increases greatly that targeting MH17 would have had to be premeditated far in advance of the 70 seconds it was visible above this particular rebel-held area.

Russian Satellite Data and Public Presentation

On Monday, the Russian government, with almost every major global media outlet in attendance, released all of its air traffic data and satellite imaging data (in fact, only part of it) – all verifiable, including time stamps and supporting data. The entire content of the presentation was also handed over to the European authorities. The conclusions to be drawn from this are stunning, to say the least. Despite the public release of this information, US and British media outlets did report back to its people on these findings. They are as follows:

Minutes before the downing of MH17, the plane made a mysterious ‘Left Turn’ as it flew over the Donetsk area at approximately 5:20pm Moscow time, making a sharp 14km deviation, before attempting to regain its previous course before dropping altitude disappearing from radar at 5:23pm. As we previously pointed out, air traffic controllers in Kiev had already diverted MH17 200 miles further north into the target zone, so the question remains: was Kiev ATC also responsible for this final, fatal diversion, or is there another reason for this unusual turn (see ‘Mysterious Left Turn’, below)?

According to clear satellite images provided, on July 16th, the Ukrainian Army positioned 3-4 anti-aircraft BUK M1 SAM missile batteries close to Donetsk. These systems included full launching, loading and radio location units, located in the immediate vicinity of the MH17 crash site. One system was placed approximately 8km northwest of Lugansk. In addition, a radio location system for these Ukrainian Army missile batteries is situated 5km north of Donetsk. On July 17th, the day of the incident, these batteries were moved to a position 8km south of Shahktyorsk. In addition to this, two other radio location units are also identified in the immediate vicinity. These SAM systems had a range of 35km distance, and 25km altitude.


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[Hervé]

Censorship or error? Internet criticism for BBC removal of MH17 report

Published time: July 25, 2014 11:01
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An image grab taken from a video uploaded on YouTube.

BBC Russian has come under fire from internet users after deleting its report on the MH17 crash for not meeting ‘editorial values.’ The reporter questioned says that local militia fired the missile, with locals talking about Ukrainian army planes.

The report on the Malaysian plane tragedy by BBC Russian correspondent Olga Ivshina was released on July 23. She interviewed local witnesses who told her that they saw military aircraft in the sky before the incident.

“And there was another aircraft, a military one, beside it [the Malaysian plane]. Everybody saw it,” said one witness.

“It was flying under it [the Malaysian plane], we could see it. It was going underneath the civilian one,” added another.

The report contained a soundbite of an SBU official, saying that the aircraft was shot down by a Buk missile.

“This was a BUK M1 system which shot the aircraft down. It came to Ukraine early in the morning on the 17 July. It was delivered by a tow truck to the city of Donetsk,” Vitaly Naida said.

“After that, it was redeployed from Donetsk, as part of a column of military equipment, to the city of Torez, to Snezhnoye, and to Pervomaisk.”

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=RZ8sjMWhl-4

Ivshina also tried to find a place depicted on photos provided by Ukraine’s Security Service (SBU) which, in their opinion, prove that the Boeing was shot down by a Buk missile system by self-defense forces. She found the place which she assumes is the spot based on landscape characteristics.

“It must be noted that, in an area where fighting continues almost unabated, there is a coalmine and also the Saur-Mogila memorial nearby. It turns out that the smoke could have been coming from any of these locations,” she says in her piece to camera.

Ivshina claims she didn’t see any traces of Buk missiles and says that neither did the local residents.

In the meantime, the commander of local self-defense forces in the city of Snezhnoe, in the Donetsk Region told Ivshina that they have no weaponry capable of shooting down a jet fighter flying at high altitude.

“They [Kiev troops] use these civilian aircraft to hide behind,” he told Ivshina. However, he added that if self-defense troops had such a weapon, then they would have tried to down the jets.

In the meantime, the piece doesn’t draw any conclusions about who was behind the plane crash.

Report which didn’t meet “the editorial values of the BBC”
As soon as the report was published on the BBC website, it was immediately deleted. “Document is not available”said the page.

The video of Ivshina’s report, released on YouTube, was repeatedly deleted, according to YouTube users.

“Video Deleted YouTube,” read the description.

The deleted page immediately sparked the attention of social media. The report itself wasn’t deleted. The bloggers and twitter users accused the BBC of censorship.

“Why are they [BBC] deleting this video?” wrote one YouTube user. “They [BBC] are standing for democracy and the freedom of speech or those who deleted the video, don’t need truth?”

On Thursday, Yan Leder, a managing editor from the Russian service at BBC explained that the report was removed as it contained “mistakes.”

He added that the report had “imperfect structure” and “incomplete compliance of the editorial values of BBC.”

“Unfortunately in this case the report wasn’t submitted to BBC standard editorial analysis. As a result, there were several omissions [in the report],” he added.

According to Leder, the correspondent should have asked the witnesses “specifying questions” in response to their accusations and include “experts’ opinion in her report.”

“That’s why we are modifying the material so that it would (sic) meet the editorial standards of BBC.”

Leder added that Ivshina’s report will soon be published on the BBC website.
However, the explanations from the BBC Russian chief apparently didn’t satisfy readers.

The bloggers believe that the reasons for removing the article might have been the interviews with local witnesses, who said that the Kiev military were using civil jets as cover, and the statements from self-defense forces who say they don’t have missiles capable of hitting targets at high altitude.

“I have been with you [BBC] for 15 years and that case is disgusting,” said one user.
Another criticized the BBC of being biased.

Yet another reader queried what specifying questions should the women have been asked? They had simply stated that they had seen a military jet near the Boeing?

The reader went on to assert that if these interviews are deleted as a result of these corrections, then the BBC will be guilty of non-professionalism and weakness.

[Hervé]

Posted by Cidersomerset (here)



The huge, wide-body Boeing-777-200 is powered by one of the most powerful
turbofan engines in the world.

The General Electric GE90 engine has a diameter of 10.5 feet.

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See post # 581 (<---) for that one.

MH017 -9M-MRD was equipped with Rolls-Royce engines.


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Vertical stabilizer at crash site no match for 9M-MRD

No wonder it's a no match:

An armed member of self-defenses forces stands guard at the site of the crash of the Il-76 Ukrainian army transport plane in Luhansk June 14, 2014. (Reuters / Shamil Zhumatov

As for the above, this is the "vertical stabilizer"... Malaysian airlines logo included...

... and this is the part of the fuselage that fits underneath it:
... [correction: piece of door above left wing]:

Seems like the noise to signal ratio is dramatically increasing here...

Unless UFOs are involved in making human bodies to rain like fish from the sky... that's a tough one to fake!

PS: that plane really did break apart very high up in the sky!

[araucaria]

http://www.lemonde.fr/international/...3397_3210.html
Intense fighting near the crash site, foreign investigators cancel their trip
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Intense fighting near the crash site of the MH 17 in Ukraine

The AFP and Reuters with Monde.fr | 07/27/2014 at 7:05 • Updated 7/27/2014 at 2:29 p.m.
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The Ukrainian authorities were still searching the bodies of passengers of MH 17 July 26.
Fighting raged Sunday, July 27 near the crash site of flight MH 17 in eastern Ukraine, forcing the Dutch and Australian officers who had to go to cancel their travel in this pro-Russian separatists controlled by area .

A cease-fire right at the edge where the recovered wreckage was decided between Ukrainian armed forces and rebel pro-Russian, but gunfire were heard 1 km of the site, Sunday afternoon. There was black smoke and people fled. A point near rebel control was abandoned.

POLICE IN LIEU OF THEIR FOREIGN TRAVEL

Ten days after the crash of the Boeing 777 Malaysia Airlines which provided the Amsterdam-Kuala Lumpur connecting with 298 people on board, body parts and debris were still scattered on the site that inspectors had only access limited.

Thirty forensic experts and unarmed Dutch police and Australia were about to visit the site Sunday morning, but decided against it for safety reasons.

"The fighting continues. We can not take risks, said Alexander Hug, head of the OSCE mission on site. The situation in safety on the road to the site and on the site is unacceptable for an unarmed observer mission. "They might try to get there Monday.

The Dutch Ministry of Justice, for its part, stressed that there was no "safe access" to their experts, who will yet trester in Donetsk regional capital.

MALAYSIA GOT ACCESS TO THE SITE

Shortly before the renewed tensions, the Malaysian government announced an agreement with the pro-Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine on the deployment of an international police mission to secure the site and allow an independent investigation.

This mission will consist of the number of Malaysian police who leave Wednesday 68 Kuala Lumpur for the site as well as Dutch and Australian forces, both of which have taken a heavy toll each having lost in the drama and 28 193 of their nationals has announced the Malaysian government.

DIFFICULT CONDITIONS FOR INVESTIGATION

Dutch and Australian troops for several days on standby to go to Ukraine. The Netherlands are responsible for victim identification process and leading the investigation into the causes of the plane crash killed by a missile.

A series of factors led Kiev and Westerners to point the finger pro-Russian rebels and their patrons in the Kremlin. A Dutch forensic team had already visited the site, but no forensic investigating, for safety reasons.

Many bodies have been taken to the Netherlands, where the first victim was identified Saturday, but 71 are still missing.

[SilentFeathers]

I'm finding this a bit hard to believe and quite far fetched....it's rather a bit convincing but I'm not getting it. Why would they fake the 777 with another smaller jet? makes no sense.....and where did the MH17 Boeing 777 go???? Where did all the people come from that fell through peoples roofs and scattered the debris field?

I admit its possible MH17 could be now sitting in a hanger next to MH370, but I personally doubt it.

Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
MH17 HOAX: Crash Scene Evidence Reveals No Boeing-777 Engine

new Sunday 27th July 2014 at 09:35 By david-icke





‘It’s now established that US and international troops were deployed to the Ukraine under Exercise Rapid
Trident – a 12-Nation joint military exercise in the Ukraine coinciding with the alleged crash of MH-17.

How many times have government and military exercises turned into false flag events like 9/11, Sandy
Hook, Boston Marathon Bombing and now – the sensationalized downing of a Malaysian Airliner, MH-17,
as another in a long line of False Flags. ‘

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=qopnTeQUlUM

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=lGuJInTY1Ws

RT News


Ukraine will play host, but the US military will call the shots, in an upcoming
military exercise called Rapid Trident that will bring together some 1,300
international forces in Ukraine for a long-planned exercise.

Although the United States canceled Atlas Vision 2014, which was scheduled to
take place in July in the northeastern Russian city of Chelyabinsk, the Pentagon
says it will go ahead with plans for a multinational military exercise this summer in Ukraine.


Atlas Vision is a bi-lateral U.S-Russian Ground Forces exercise. The exercise will
consist of a battalion-level command post exercise/Computer Assisted exercise and
a platoon-level field training exercise.

Interesting how the media has erased the fact that Russia knows all about Rapid
Trident including MH-17 evidence “irregularities”.

More interesting is that Russia had planned to participate in one of these US-led
events – Atlas Vision – on their own soil. Meanwhile, investigators and bloggers
continue to get blind-sided by disinfo couched as insider “leaks” from allegedly
trusted sources.

No doubt that every player forecasting the “new Cold War” are completely informed
about the MH-17 hoax as integrated into a war games exercise.

When will investigators learn to look first, for the planned exercise as the pretext to
a hoax/False Flag as was the case in 9/11, Sandy Hook and Boston Marathon
Bombing.?

HOAX: Bogus Engine Debris at Alleged MH-17 Crash Site



The huge, wide-body Boeing-777-200 is powered by one of the most powerful
turbofan engines in the world.

The General Electric GE90 engine has a diameter of 10.5 feet.

OLYMPUS DIGITAL CAMERA No mammoth GE90 turbofan engine parts can be
identified in crash scene photos. Instead, the engine parts all appear to originate
from a different type and design of aircraft. It is certain to say that engine parts in
the photographs could never have powered a Boeing 777 aircraft.

The crash of a giant B-777 falling from over 30,000 ft. altitude would be expected
to leave a large impact crater, yet the debris appears to be dumped on the ground
as if hauled in by truck.




Alleged Crash site engine debis not from B-777

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Coconuts TV Reports:


“Michael Holmes of CNN shared an image on Twitter via his account @holmescnn of
a section of what appears to be a Malaysia Airlines jetliner on a grassy field. The
Malaysian flag is clearly depicted and the red and blue livery colours used by MAS
are also shown.”

The source of the images, a man identifying himself as a tourist guide / traveller /
photographer / former soldier from Slovenia, @MatevzNovak, has since posted
more photos – taken by a Nadezhda Chernetskaya – of what he claims to be the
crash site of Flight MH17 in Grabovo, Ukraine. (TRNS)




No evidence of Boeing-777 engines at crash site could conclude that neither MH-17
nor MH-370 were struck by a missile!

Vertical stabilizer at alleged crash site fails to match Boeing-777 profile specific to
9M-MRD alias flight MH-17




Vertical stabilizer at crash site no match for 9M-MRD






Read more: MH17 HOAX: Crash Scene Evidence Reveals No Boeing-777 Engine


http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/07...ng-777-engine/

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/

[KiwiElf]

Thanks Cider.... Interesting... I'm glad I'm not the only one who initially thought that about the engines not matching a 777... (refer back to my post #574...) Amzer Zo provided other pics showing intake turbines (detached from the main engine cores) which appear to be of the right size tho - as for the various bits of the engine debris... it needs an expert to identify them