Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

[Cidersomerset]

It does seem Israel is connected to MH17, but speculation is all it's adding up too. With Israel ramping up it's killing machine and the media focusing more there right now, I don't believe it's an accident or coincidental that the masses (mindless minds) are being steered drastically in that direction right now.

According to Texe the US and Israel are behind the Ukrainian mess...

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A bit biblical but this is at the heart of all this bollocks, and some elites follow
this like gospel ( so to speak ) and this may be why these events are being
manipulated into fulfilling prophecy......He explains how Israel and the US
organised and sponsored the 'Orange 'revolution and are controlling events
behind the scenes....



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TEXE MARRS - MYSTERY BABYLON LIVES! - JULY 19, 2014

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=W43rs-Oqc3g

Published on 19 Jul 2014


Ezekiel 38-39 prophesies that in the last days, Gog, demonic ruler of the land of Magog,
shall come against Israel, which is brought forth out of the nations. He shall come like a
storm and shall conquer this land of unwalled villages, and take them hostage

Who is Gog? Where is the land of Magog? Now, with new and astonishing archaeological
and genetic discoveries, we have amazing evidence that, in fact, Magog is situated in
Southern Russia, in the Caucusus, and Gog is the name of the great ruler of the Kingdom
of Khazaria. Khazaria is the land of the non-Semitic, Turkic peoples who falsely claim to be
Jews. From Khazaria, in the eight century, these pagan peoples, having converted to Judaism,
fled to Europe to escape invading Russian warriors.

In 1948, the Khazarians went on to Palestine, where they conquered the peaceful Palestinians
and set up a pretentious, new "Kingdom of Israel." The Khazarians, claiming to be "Jews," are
from Magog. Led by Satan's Gog, in the last days they are destined to plunge the entire world
into bloodshed, chaos, and war. Ezekiel 38-39 is fulfilled in front of our eyes! http://www.texemarrs.com/

[KiwiElf]

All true, and the primary reason Hitler and the 3rd Reich plundered countries for their ancient knowledge and sacred sites is well documented; these areas are literally gold mines (Iraq included in that ). Oil is just a smokescreen.

[Cidersomerset]

All true, and the primary reason Hitler and the 3rd Reich plundered countries for their ancient knowledge and sacred sites is well documented; these areas are literally gold mines (Iraq included in that ). Oil is just a smokescreen.

Its amazing how all these connect together...LOL

[araucaria]

Posted by Agape (here)
"Suppose that there is an average of one fatal accident per year, meaning that the chance of a crash on any given day is one in 365," says Barnett. "If there is a crash on 1 August, the chance that the next crash occurs one day later on 2 August is 1/365. But the chance the next crash is on 3 August is (364/365) x (1/365), because the next crash occurs on 3 August only if there is no crash on 2 August."

As each day passes, the likelihood of a fatal accident falls. "It seems counterintuitive, but the conclusion follows relentlessly from the laws of probability," Barnett says.

.........

This ‘nextness’ is a nice bit of sophistry. Yes, ‘the next crash is on 3 August is (364/365) x (1/365)’, but we are not talking about next crashes. There is a 1/365 chance of a crash any day, on 3 August, on 2 August, and on 1 August; its position in a sequence is neither here nor there. Simply it will have a higher degree of nextness than the previous two.


The difference between intuitive and counterintuitive here is the difference between theoretical statistics (probability predicting a similar future to the past) and real life. Statistically speaking, if a string of accidents starts happening, you are preparing for a longish gap before any more accidents happen. But why? Statistics alone don’t tell the whole story. It could well be that someone has found a cause and introduced a remedy. Otherwise, you might find the yearly average changing drastically for the worse – it is only the average so far.

[Agape]

Posted by araucaria (here)

Posted by Agape (here)
"Suppose that there is an average of one fatal accident per year, meaning that the chance of a crash on any given day is one in 365," says Barnett. "If there is a crash on 1 August, the chance that the next crash occurs one day later on 2 August is 1/365. But the chance the next crash is on 3 August is (364/365) x (1/365), because the next crash occurs on 3 August only if there is no crash on 2 August."

As each day passes, the likelihood of a fatal accident falls. "It seems counterintuitive, but the conclusion follows relentlessly from the laws of probability," Barnett says.

.........

This ‘nextness’ is a nice bit of sophistry. Yes, ‘the next crash is on 3 August is (364/365) x (1/365)’, but we are not talking about next crashes. There is a 1/365 chance of a crash any day, on 3 August, on 2 August, and on 1 August; its position in a sequence is neither here nor there. Simply it will have a higher degree of nextness than the previous two.


The difference between intuitive and counterintuitive here is the difference between theoretical statistics (probability predicting a similar future to the past) and real life. Statistically speaking, if a string of accidents starts happening, you are preparing for a longish gap before any more accidents happen. But why? Statistics alone don’t tell the whole story. It could well be that someone has found a cause and introduced a remedy. Otherwise, you might find the yearly average changing drastically for the worse – it is only the average so far.

I agree that statistics itself is an 'odd matter' , it does not explain causes or consequences . Moreso , if we add 'predictability of events' by statistics to the real evolution of events we may arrive at 'odd count' .

Lets say that all accidents could be put down to some sort of technical failure , or , in another case, to weather anomaly or human failure .
Engineers of any sort would probably tell you something like ''in every 100 000' runs of engine error can occur'' . That's if they were totally honest . Of course, failures are not supposed to occur ...that's why planes and all other machines have to pass revision each year to minimise the probability .
Even then , errors do occur . So lets say , with technical revisions, they can occur in every 1 million runs .

Now how many airplanes are in the air everyday ? 50 000 ?

Theoretically , they could then experience some sort of failure every month , it does not mean a 'crash' . In most cases , if there's technical difficulty they can still land safely and fix it . It's not reported anywhere , except aviation reports I suppose .

For the rest .. so lets presume statistical average of 12 crashes of some sort in one year .. the probability that those will occur once every month , on the same day is very low . If they did , it would be called 'equal distribution' but that's not the case .
It's simple as that ... the most harmonious pattern is the least probable .

On the other end of the scale, the probability that all failures occur on the same day of the year or in string of 12 days is also very low .

So , however odd this seems .. they seem to happen in clusters ..that's somewhere between 'equal distribution' and 'chain of 12 days' . Both would be least probable .


I agree it explains very little .


PS : Away from plane crashes , example of this 'cluster occurrence' is the seemingly irrational human belief that events in life ( good or bad ) go by 3 .
It's not provable yet seems to be common experience . Why is that .. I think it may have something to do with lax human nature and our common tendency to avoid decisions ..
in case of good decisions it results in avoiding them , in case of preventing errors and disasters as well .
So we happen to overlook and delay fixing things properly or let them run as they're able to , for example because we think we lack resources to do that and keeping 'fingers crossed' instead so they keep going .
But then .. when the sum of all delayed errors piles up , they seem to crash one after another , similarly as when one health difficulty starts everything else adds to it .

Or , in case of wars and other conflicts ... when people try to prevent addressing problems for long time then the 'hell breaks loose' , all are suddenly shooting at each other . It's an example of 'cluster event' .

[Cidersomerset]

This is a discussion on how Russia is perceived by themselves
and the outside world. The hypocritical views of many western
media outlets that forget the same views are still prevalent
in their own societies as well.......Its the Western elites that
are anti Russian not the population and the neo -con/London
media and political press are having a media battle with Russia
and their own populations which we have been seeing over the
last few years. Especially anti Putin as he has been the leader
of what they see is anti corporate western power.

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CrossTalk: Idea of Russia & Russians

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=AdN_GBil2CM

Published on 25 Jul 2014


Western perception of Russia is negative and even menacing. Is this the result of differing
cultural values? And is the west merely projecting its own short comings on Russia?
CrossTalking with Neil Clark, Nicolai Petro and Vladimir Golstein.

[Snoweagle]

Now we can see the reason why Israeli Diplomats were recalled to Israel quite recently. (you know the "pay strike" thang - yeh right)

So here we have all the nations around the world having pressure exerted on them to disqualify any contest to the promoted and favoured opinion of those seeking global warfare to cover the crimes in the Middle East. (and elsewhere)

Problem is even MSM is struggling to maintain the line. The Jewish hegemony throughout these incidents reek.

This time the lie is too big.

[Manuel]

What about all the people that died on this flight?
Have we all seen the return of all the bodies to the Netherlands?
And the respect they get at last, after all that's been happenning...
Let's not forget this please.

Sorry i don't post much like some of you do and it's been a while...
I just didn't want this topic to just be about the why's how's and etc...

It's about the people and all their loved ones...

English is not my first laungage? sorry.

[sms]

Just to add into the pot this interesting article - Verdict: Real Evidence Points to US-Kiev Cover-up of Failed False Flag

..

[naste.de.lumina]

Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
In these surreal times when the ancient 'Game of Thrones'
is being played out in new ways in this global theatre.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=O59SiA4Yg0A

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZvfyiLNhoVg

[sigma6]

Well it's looks like the US/Israeli sabotage of MH17 has paid off, they are going to get their sanctions....
But I wonder what the real deal is behind the scenes... But it sounds like a key player was the Dutch Prime Minister
convincing everyone to apply sanctions "even if it hurts their own economies" ... what a brilliant stroke of genius...

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/grieving-d...8--sector.html

[TargeT]

I'm still wondering at the ultimate goal of this one... punishment for the BRICS actions seems the most logical; but punishment is not enough, unless something else is planned the BRICS standing up their own financial system is a very serious threat to the seemingly desired order of events.

I wouldn't be surprised to see more, perhaps a lot more action against russia (of course not open above board action,,, more false flag attempts and other shady dealings)

[Operator]

Posted by sigma6 (here)
Well it's looks like the US/Israeli sabotage of MH17 has paid off, they are going to get their sanctions....
But I wonder what the real deal is behind the scenes... But it sounds like a key player was the Dutch Prime Minister
convincing everyone to apply sanctions "even if it hurts their own economies" ... what a brilliant stroke of genius...

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/grieving-d...8--sector.html

Timmermans is 'only' foreign affairs minister ... so instead of messing up the Netherlands they
gave him the rest of the world to 'play' in.

I don't like him ... wittingly or not but he seems to take the NWO bait every time with hook,
line and sinker.

[SilentFeathers]

Amazingly they are doing this without some sort of investigation, but based on some tweets/facebook posts, a bogus youtube video, and a whole bunch of "guesses".

Adding; Throughout history, has any one ever defeated/conquered/destroyed Russia????

[Selene]

Too funny: The desperately faux ‘Tweets and Facebook posts’ claims of now-jocular State Department PR blather, "social media"-aka- expensive intelligence. Really. We are so grateful.

Well, they’re kinda trapped, aren’t they?

On the one hand, they’re having rings run around them by YouTube, Facebook, Twits and the rest of us AltMedia.... actual on-site evidence and fair comment. We can see what’s going on, and report it. This is awkward, especially when you have “another story” to spin....

We’re screwing them.

So they have to try to front run all of this, pretend they (fluffing hair Miss Piggy style at the State Department) “knew it all along” and have better social connections than thou, and better info. Trust us.

As if.

The lie is hilarious. The nakedness of the Emperor is obscene.

Cheers,

Selene

[jackovesk]

Posted by sigma6 (here)
Well it's looks like the US/Israeli sabotage of MH17 has paid off, they are going to get their sanctions....
But I wonder what the real deal is behind the scenes... But it sounds like a key player was the Dutch Prime Minister
convincing everyone to apply sanctions "even if it hurts their own economies" ... what a brilliant stroke of genius...

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/grieving-d...8--sector.html

Posted by TargeT (here)
I'm still wondering at the ultimate goal of this one... punishment for the BRICS actions seems the most logical; but punishment is not enough, unless something else is planned the BRICS standing up their own financial system is a very serious threat to the seemingly desired order of events.

I wouldn't be surprised to see more, perhaps a lot more action against russia (of course not open above board action,,, more false flag attempts and other shady dealings)

Where in trouble if 2 of our most intelligent Avalonians can't decipher the real underlying Agenda...

Just jokes guys, here is a few more clues, one you've already mentioned...

• BRICS
• MONOPOLY
• BOLSHEVIKs
• RUSSIAN OLIGARCHs
• EUROPEAN UNION
• ENERGY RESOURCES
• FACTIONAL WAR
• IDEALOGY
• CORPORATIONS
• OTTOMAN EMPIRE

In effect the are many-many underlying reasons that have been left to remain hidden, but now are surfacing because the NWO has just pressed the...



In the very words of Aussie Rock Legend (Doc Neeson)

This is it folks, Over the Top..!!!

PS - Yep, this is it folks the NWO are starting the ((ALL OUT ATTACK)) for their 1 World Govt. & Currency Control...

However, Russia wants their (Slice of the Pie) as do all the other BRICS Nations with Germany to come..!

The (Line in the Sand) has been DRAWN and the world will become a very different place from MH17 onwards..

[jackovesk]

Posted by naste.de.lumina (here)

Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
In these surreal times when the ancient 'Game of Thrones'
is being played out in new ways in this global theatre.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=O59SiA4Yg0A

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZvfyiLNhoVg

Game of Thrones - Guitar (TAB) Here's an easy one for all you budding (Medieval 'Acoustic' Guitarist's) out there...

Charlie Parra Del Riego - Game Of Thrones Theme (Acoustic Guitar) Tab

Click to enlarge 1x & again for 2x & 3x for biggest picture


http://www.songsterr.com/a/wsa/charl...r-tab-s91358t0

PS - Here are some of my (Best Friends)...

[jackovesk]

Posted by sigma6 (here)

Posted by spizella (here)
Just underlining:

‘Unnamed US officials are telling Associated Press that their intelligence suggests Malaysia
plane shot down by anti-Kiev militia, no link to Russia found.

Officials believe that the passenger aircraft was intercepted by an SA-11 surface-to-air missile,
which was fired by Ukrainian militia members. One official said the likeliest explanation was the
aircraft was shot down in error, an assertion that seem to be bolstered by the previous downing
of 12 Ukrainian military aircraft by militants in the region.

Intelligence suggests that, although the US maintains that Russia “created the conditions” that
led to the incident, officials were not aware of the presence of any Russians during the missile
launch, and would not confirm that the missile crew was trained in Russia.’

This reminds me of socialist car insurance... It's nobodies fault... everyone is taking their jabs, anyone not participating is getting screwed over,
and at the end of the day, the bodies have already been returned to their frozen food lockers, and the US is still using their
Satanic marketing strategy, quick... what is the Satanic opposite of "Russia created the conditions" ?

I still think Pieczenik is right on the money, this is like Murder on the Orient Express...

This is a symptom of many leaders fearing for their jobs, not just one... the masses are ever so closer to waking up...
Someone outside the government has to break free and rise up...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=roR3sSunqpo

I still think Pieczenik is right on the money, this is like Murder on the Orient Express...

Here ya go mate...



Latest update from Dr. Steve Pieczenik (PhD) with Alex Jones - Thursday July 24 2014

Pieczenik interview starts @ 1:05:20mins

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=wEheSmT6uEg

Enjoy...

[sigma6]

PS - Yep, this is it folks the NWO are starting the ((ALL OUT ATTACK)) for their 1 World Govt. & Currency Control...

The US, at least on paper (and that does count...) has this ridiculous huge debt load. As a result all countries are now engaged in this currency war. War is definitely the "out" the US is looking for. They've blown up the World Trade Building records and the "gold" supposedly in the basement. They've blown up Building 7 records. Do they want to blow up more records of their debts? Karen Hudes says there is a 90% chance that countries will follow the Rule of Law. I think that is a bit high. Is she factoring in remote controlled 777s which equals gangster like extortion and terrorism of anyone who bought Boeing airliners? I sometimes wonder what the "world at the top must really look like" where sabotage, propaganda, currency wars, disinformation ops, military arms race, are combined with G7,8, 20 and UN meetings...

I also wonder if the UK selling arms to Russia, while making very loud and public their protests (almost too loud, and all in unison) regarding the Israeli invasion is supposed to mean something? (Besides making a profit... It is rather odd. i.e. has the Queen (or Inner City of London?) made a deal or concessions with the WDS/China? But that doesn't make sense because City of London collects 40% and is the heart of the NWO?... Then again would they like to see the Vatican go down and break free of the Yoke that was put on them in 1200... Again sometimes the only way to make sense is to think of it like World Wrestling Federation Soap Opera. (Pieczenik theory) i.e maybe it's just pure business at the top. As in too big to give a crap. Neither can really take the other out (not including nukes) So they have to deal. And according to 1984, there is supposed to be 3 huge global blocks NA, Europe and Asia...

It's seems like they are taking the weak players off the board. Re-slicing of the world pie. We are seeing the disintegration of Ukraine (if they were in bad straits before the war, they are toast now) in terms of monopoly they may just have to give up part of Ukraine in exchange for the liability of MH17! which surely they can't afford... Poroshenko must have chocolate stains on his undies when that plane crashed in his jurisdiction. Any money loaned to them from the IMF is already spent on US military/mercenaries/Insurance and rebuilding, i.e they just got stuck holding the bag. Hook, line and stinker. (I told them not to beg to join the IMF!...)(Imagine the look on Poroshenko's face right now... time to pony up...) i.e. if the world is just one huge conglomerate of corporations... it just downsized (with more cost cuts in the works...)

I also think these attacks on Russia can be interpreted as nothing more then money making opportunities on the Stock markets. There's billions to be made in these prices swings, especially if your an insider... This might sound insensitive, but how many people are dying every day on this planet from starvation, war, and terrorism right now. How many planes crashed in the last two weeks alone... This might be the "alternative" to war. A modern day 21 century war. And if that is the case, we have come a long way.

just some thoughts..

[Cidersomerset]

What about all the people that died on this flight?
Have we all seen the return of all the bodies to the Netherlands?
And the respect they get at last, after all that's been happenning...
Let's not forget this please.

Sorry i don't post much like some of you do and it's been a while...
I just didn't want this topic to just be about the why's how's and etc...

It's about the people and all their loved ones...

English is not my first laungage? sorry.

Very good point , it has been mentioned earlier, but its easy to get
overlooked.....


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We have not and must not forget the victims of MH17 and all
the other tragedies going on ......

Though the discussion is mainly focused on the Who? How ?

and........



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Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=a44D6JhI8bI

Published on 23 Jul 2014


The bodies of the first victims from Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 have arrived back in the
Netherlands following the crash in eastern Ukraine last Thursday - READ MORE http://on.rt.com/lrxmio

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United in Grief: Dutch pay tribute to MH17 crash victims

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=GqBlgCkp-mI

Published on 22 Jul 2014


Devastated relatives of MH17 plane crash victims mourn after one of the
deadliest plane crashes in Dutch history. Remains will arrive in the
Netherlands on Wednesday. In the meantime people in Rotterdam pay
tribute to one grieving Dutch family. RT's Peter Oliver reports.

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MH17 investigation: 'Main goal is to bring everyone home'

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ckRTNQm5y2M

24 July 2014 Last updated at 22:51 BST

A spokeswoman for Dutch forensic investigation team has said its goal is to identify
all victims of flight MH17 and "bring everyone home".

Speaking to the BBC's Tim Willcox, Esther Naber said the identification process
would take time.

Read more
MH17 crash: More bodies transferred to Netherlands

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28457737

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The tribute to John Alder and Liam Sweeney in front of the players' entrance at the Milburn Stand of St James Park.

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Flight MH17 Victims Tribute (R.I.P.)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=0R1s8eSRu-0