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    Default Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

    Humbly submitting here that Putin's character is not the topic of discussion, a thread about that specifically would be welcomed.

    We are all entitled to our opinion but please can we get

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    Default Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

    Paul Joseph Watson's summary on infowars:


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    Default Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

    Quite the contrary, I think Putin's character is definitely "on the line" in the case of this downed plane. But we will find out more about that if Moscow turns over those black boxes (untampered with) found at the site of that downed plane that his paid and volunteer Russian mercenaries/ the Separatists are rumored to have sent there, to those authorities who are designated by international law as the ones who should be examining that material.

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    Everyone has a right to their own opinion but we all know that it would not be surprising if he ends up tampering and erasing any information in those boxes if he finds anything that indicates that his mercenaries/the Separatists were the ones who shot down that plane. Hence why they scooped up those boxes immediately and sent them off to the Kremlin.
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    Quote Posted by Carmody (here)
    Apparently, 100 of the world's leading AIDS researchers were on that flight.

    Those involved in Aids research, some are saying that some of the best were lost,and this will have the effect of setting back AIDS research.
    If the deaths themselves weren't tragic enough - that is so tragically frustrating

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    In a problem, reaction, solution scenario, the problem needs to create the reaction of chaos and fear, so that we buy the solution. It's what's happening in the quantum energy field which is the driving force.
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    Default Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

    So what's more important? Adhering to one point of view that's consistent with the political paradigm one has been operating from and believes to be true. Or going out of ones comfort zone and daring to examine those other views from those who are operating in those other political paradigms out there that one usually shuns for one reason or another.... especially if they have glaring evidence that proves that, in this case, Putin is the guilty party in the downing of this plane?

    Isn't the goal to find out who shot that plane down? I think it's time that we put aside all of our political differences and prejudices and instead work together to seek and find the truth regardless who finds it and what their political affinities are.

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    Seriously, who in their right mind would fly a plane load of almost 300 people over a war zone where it was common knowledge planes were getting blasted out of the sky?????

    Is Malaysian Airlines really this stupid?????
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    Default Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

    Quote Posted by Roisin (here)
    it would not be surprising if he ends up tampering and erasing any information in those boxes if he finds anything that indicates that his mercenaries/the Separatists were the ones who shot down that plane..

    But why would Russian separatists ever have done that??

    Framing Russia, to meet a new-Cold-War global agenda, makes a great deal more logical sense. (Either that, or it was a mistake, with some Ukrainian faction having intended to bring down Putin's plane.)

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    Quote Posted by Carmody (here)
    Apparently, 100 of the world's leading AIDS researchers were on that flight.

    Those involved in Aids research, some are saying that some of the best were lost,and this will have the effect of setting back AIDS research.

    If you were a GMO chimp creating ANU (or related structure, ie, that level), the hidden hand.... this would be one of those great hidden hand moments. A group that would likely desire to drop the population and keep control.

    Two for the single deal price, is one of their signature moves.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...-crashed-plane
    more here:
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...7-9613821.html


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    I think differently on this one Bill. The technology used to shoot down that plane calls for exact calibrations not to mention capturing the ID of those transponder signals of that plane which is also automatically indicated in that technology. So this suggests to us that those who shot down that plane, most likely knew it was a commercial airliner.

    At this point in time, I'm not ruling out that that plane was shot down intentionally and that they knew it was a commercial airliner. I also am not ruling out that Putin may be itching for another world war to team up with China to defeat the Western allies. That's my view.... if it's wrong, then I'll own up to that but this is my view at this present time.

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    Quote Posted by Cheyne (here)
    I'd like to let Avalon know that the plane probably did go down with no survivors. My mother in-law's neighbor lost a family member that was on it. Ironically, she also lost 2 family members on the missing Malaysian Flight.

    I guess something else may of happened other than being shot down (same result for the passengers though), but I'm not feeling it.
    Maybe this story is about those people:
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...7-9614230.html


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    Default Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

    Heard about this also on fox radio...
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    Quote Posted by Cheyne (here)
    I'd like to let Avalon know that the plane probably did go down with no survivors. My mother in-law's neighbor lost a family member that was on it. Ironically, she also lost 2 family members on the missing Malaysian Flight.

    I guess something else may of happened other than being shot down (same result for the passengers though), but I'm not feeling it.
    Maybe this story is about those people:
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...7-9614230.html
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    Default Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

    You can think ..whatever , in terms of global agenda .. is because what you know .

    Just consider that those hordes of Cossacks ( not sure with spelling ) , the natives of that area - nicknamed 'rebels' and 'pro-russian separatists' are potentially not interested in anything else than their own territory .
    Like many other ethnics they can turn to ultra-nationalists , especially with weapons in their hands, they have fight for freedom in their blood .
    I don't think they are interested in Russia more than in Ukraine , the space is vast there and they don't want any rule over their heads.

    They were historically , hordes of people who moved on their horses , plundered villages, camped in wild , lived free , similar to Mongolian tribes of old . They revolted against all and any rule . Some served well in armies and many ran away when they could so they did not have to serve anyone.

    I can well imagine they'd be upto anything if it serves their freedom . But the least oriented they are in global strategy and thinking for the planet . To them it matters nothing and who was on that plane .

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    I am thinking that Isreal MAY be involved with this. We have the double of the missing MALAYSIAN plane stored away 2 months ago (see articles I posted in this thread) and now Israel are attacking Gaza while we all talk about the MALAYSIAN air crash yesterday.

    Israeli Crowd Cheers As Missile Hits Gaza Live On CNN

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/dorsey/israe...za-live-on-cnn


    Back on the crash - why is nobody talking about the tweets from the air traffic contol regarding fighter jets?


    http://www.infowars.com/ukraine-air-...ssenger-plane/

    Quote Military air traffic controllers in internal communication acknowledged the military was involved, and some military chatter said they did not know where the order to shoot down the plane originated from.

    Obviously it happened after a series of errors, since the very same plane was escorted by two Ukrainian fighter jets until 3 minutes before it disappeared from radar.
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    Quote Posted by Agape (here)
    You can think ..whatever , in terms of global agenda .. is because what you know .

    Just consider that those hordes of Cossacks ( not sure with spelling ) , the natives of that area - nicknamed 'rebels' and 'pro-russian separatists' are potentially not interested in anything else than their own territory .
    Like many other ethnics they can turn to ultra-nationalists , especially with weapons in their hands, they have fight for freedom in their blood .
    I don't think they are interested in Russia more than in Ukraine , the space is vast there and they don't want any rule over their heads.

    They were historically , hordes of people who moved on their horses , plundered villages, camped in wild , lived free , similar to Mongolian tribes of old . They revolted against all and any rule . Some served well in armies and many ran away when they could so they did not have to serve anyone.

    I can well imagine they'd be upto anything if it serves their freedom . But the least oriented they are in global strategy and thinking for the planet . To them it matters nothing and who was on that plane .
    Pretty much true, and this is one possibitity: sheer stupidity mixed with fierce nationalism interpreted as total freedom to do whatever one wants

    There is also the possibility of manipulation from Russia, from USA, from Israel, even from Germany or China, or directly from the dracos for example

    And the possibility of the wanted disappearance of AIDS scientists

    And all of this combined

    It is easy to manipulated stupid people into doing one's plans - ultra nationalists fit this possibility of being manipulated as well.

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    Default Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

    http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/index.html C

    Imediately after the shoot down, foreign people entered the nearest control tower that was monitoring flight MH17 and removed the normal workers and started doing their jobs. Normal workers in the tower were "temporarily" relieved. Obviously the "correct" people were put in place there to front the "official" story. These tweets are re-linked HERE and hopefully they will remain intact, they were tweets by the original workers in the tower saying they had been removed: https://twitter.com/spainbuca/status/489813837013848065 https://twitter.com/spainbuca/status/489815416701984769 https://twitter.com/spainbuca/status/489816898545012736 https://twitter.com/spainbuca/status/489817106259927041 The original people in the tower had witnessed the fact that flight MH17 was being escorted by two fighter jets up until a couple minutes before it disappeared. These fighter jets identified themselves as Ukranian, but I seriously doubt they were. My best guess, based upon other information such as stated cancellations of flight MH17 and conflicting departure times (there can be only one departure time if it was a real departure). These two pieces of information - that no one could agree on a departure time and at least ONE plane tracking web site said the flight was cancelled, pretty much sews this one up - MH17 very probably never took off and was substituted for another identical aircraft. And what identical aircraft was available for this? Flight 370.

    It is highly probable that flight 370 was substituted out, zombie flown via remote by both fighter jets with all original passengers aboard and possibly other undesirables, and then shot down by the fighter jet escorts. Buk missiles produce a very noticeable plume, and no one documented any. In the day of cell phone cams, I would say zero documentation of something so noticeable means no missile launch. This points the finger at the fighter jet escorts which have always been completely scrubbed from the mainstream media and would do the dirty work at an altitude too high for any witnesses. Needless to say then, reports about communication with any originating tower would all be false, but if flight systems were adequately spoofed (or possibly no need to spoof them at all) the "zombie" MH17/370 could report itself as MH17 via falsified transponder to other traffic control towers and none would know anything was amiss because it would have been expected at the appropriate times anyway. And all communication could easily be spoofed by the fighter jet escorts, with no pilots at all aboard MH17/370. While targeting for shoot down, they could just sit there silent and shoot it down.



    EDIT: TWEETS HAVE GONE TO MEMORY HOLE!

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    Default Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

    your twitter connections are already out, do not exist anymore
    those messages should have been copied - they are critical

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    The tweets have gone. This may be very important: Here they are:

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=1&theater

    But again, it could be that "carlos" is just making a joke in bad taste.
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    Quote Posted by gripreaper (here)
    In a problem, reaction, solution scenario, the problem needs to create the reaction of chaos and fear, so that we buy the solution. It's what's happening in the quantum energy field which is the driving force. - [emphasis by observer]
    I couldn't agree with you more, grip.

    The only point of contention among the members is, What controls the hologram? .... with the understanding controlling the hologram is simply the manipulation of the quantum field.

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    Quote Posted by Flash (here)
    Quote Posted by Agape (here)
    You can think ..whatever , in terms of global agenda .. is because what you know .

    Just consider that those hordes of Cossacks ( not sure with spelling ) , the natives of that area - nicknamed 'rebels' and 'pro-russian separatists' are potentially not interested in anything else than their own territory .
    Like many other ethnics they can turn to ultra-nationalists , especially with weapons in their hands, they have fight for freedom in their blood .
    I don't think they are interested in Russia more than in Ukraine , the space is vast there and they don't want any rule over their heads.

    They were historically , hordes of people who moved on their horses , plundered villages, camped in wild , lived free , similar to Mongolian tribes of old . They revolted against all and any rule . Some served well in armies and many ran away when they could so they did not have to serve anyone.

    I can well imagine they'd be upto anything if it serves their freedom . But the least oriented they are in global strategy and thinking for the planet . To them it matters nothing and who was on that plane .
    Pretty much true, and this is one possibitity: sheer stupidity mixed with fierce nationalism interpreted as total freedom to do whatever one wants

    There is also the possibility of manipulation from Russia, from USA, from Israel, even from Germany or China, or directly from the dracos for example

    And the possibility of the wanted disappearance of AIDS scientists

    And all of this combined

    It is easy to manipulated stupid people into doing one's plans - ultra nationalists fit this possibility of being manipulated as well.

    It seems they are playing on both sides , making use of the chaos because the chaos serves them well .

    It's the same thing that happened in countries like Afghanistan and similar areas, all they want is get rid of the rule imposed on them historically from other cultures and getting hands on weapons is the only way they think this can be achieved .
    These groups take advantage of their 'aimless mentality' and war as a way of life .

    Whoever supplies them weapons and aids is a 'friend' . Major rift between the superpowers too is a 'friend' , that's how this all started .

    Hard to think of solutions as long as the atmosphere is one of hatred . Everything is connected on the big scheme yes and potentially very dangerous situation .

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