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    Default Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

    Three RT reports just released on their web site from todays
    news, they are covering various aspects , some already
    discussed from other sources and outlets......




    Kiev leaks phone call 'proving self-defense forces downed MH17'



    ================================================

    UNSC holds emergency meeting over MH17 crash




    Published on 18 Jul 2014


    Russia has lashed out at the U.S. for shifting blame in the Ukrainian crisis,
    that's after Moscow faced mounting accusations at an emergency meeting
    of the UN Security Council over the tragic plane crash. That's despite Russia
    denying any involvement. RT's Marina Portnaya's been following the session
    in New York.

    ===================================================


    'Confusion on MH17 crash points to importance to thorough investigation'





    Published on 18 Jul 2014


    If the passenger jet was shot down, there only a limited number of weapons in the
    region that could have been responsible. One possibility is the Buk surface-to-air
    missile system. Several former Soviet countries use the weapon, including Ukraine.
    It has the ability to hit up to 24 targets at the same time within a distance of 45
    kilometers, and reaching an altitude of 25 kilometers. Its missiles travel at up to
    1,200 meters per second. But as yet, there is no confirmation that this weapon
    system was the cause of the crash. For more RT is joined by former UK army officer
    Charles Shoebridge.
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    Default Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

    Was Malaysian Airliner Brought Down By A Missile To Start A War With Russia

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    Default Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

    I'm bumping this post as I personally see this as one of the most bizarre claims yet pertaining to this event, and I also see absolutely no motive or logical reasoning for anyone to make this up or to even consider making something like this up. This person is also claiming "MANY" of the bodies appeared this way, so IMO that pretty much tells me they were not looking at a few dead bodies being transported in the cargo hold heading to be buried in another country.

    Something really weird is going on once again and these first 48 hours after the event are what we should be paying the most close attention too regardless of how ridiculous certain things sound like, like this bizarre claim. In another day or so there will be so many bs stories going around that many of us will forget what has happened within this first 48 hours.

    I personally think this story/claim means something.....what? I haven't much of a clue yet but do have a couple of theories (which are bizarre too)!!!!

    Quote Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
    This is a really "strange" story....

    Quote Rebel leader gives bizarre account of plane crash

    A top pro-Russia rebel commander in eastern Ukraine has given a bizarre version of events surrounding the Malaysian jetliner crash — suggesting many of the victims may have died days before the plane took off.

    The pro-rebel website Russkaya Vesna on Friday quoted Igor Girkin as saying he was told by people at the crash site that "a significant number of the bodies weren't fresh," adding that he was told they were drained of blood and reeked of decomposition.

    Girkin said "Ukrainian authorities are capable of any baseness."

    He claimed that a large amount of blood serum and medications were found in the wreckage.
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    Default Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

    Neither the Ukranians, Ukranian Rebels, or the Russians have anything to gain by committing an atrocity such as this.

    However if you wanted to shape World Public Opinion into believing that they are all savage "Bastards" in this part of the world, then I think you've got to look in the direction of the SSG, (Secret Shadow Government), and Black Ops who are only interested in Stoking the Fires towards the ultimate objective of WWIII.
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    Default Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

    While I was initially inclined to discount the ‘missed Putin’s plane’ theory as a red herring here, on further consideration it does have some significant merit.

    The Official Story/Plan A here is the Horrific Public Outrage ploy: 300 innocent civilians die needlessly, etc. The usual false flag drama, again. Bad guys here are eventually the Russians. Okay. We know that one.

    But suppose that strategy is old news and, for the sake of argument, they were double dipping instead. Consider the High Value Assassination/Plan B takeout: Kill a key NWO opponent (this has considerable precedent) and blame the other guys anyway. This also has a considerable historic track record.

    In the second case, eliminating Putin would undoubtedly please a lot of people of a certain type: he’s foiled their war on Syria, the attacks on Iran, sponsored the new BRICS world bank/currency alternative, is cozy with China – the list goes on. And if they could do that and blame the patsy Ukraine government or the Russians themselves.... Merde! (pardon....) Double! And just imagine the leaderless and destabilizing pandemonium in Russia with Putin’s death! Perfect! No matter how the fallout plays out, they will have gotten rid of a major “problem” even if they don’t trigger WW3 this time.

    But mistakes (or white hats?) do happen. Suppose one of Putin’s KGB friends/double agents pulled strings and the Malaysia flight just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time? Suppose, just for the sake of argument, again, that those military jets were tricked into using MH as a DECOY, spoofed into escorting it as Putin’s plane? And the Ukrainian/Russian/whomever forces were fooled into shooting down the ‘wrong’ Putin plane, by whatever means.... Of course the naive shooters would have been told the plane was loaded with... whatever.

    Trickery? Lies? Nah. Nobody would ever do a thing like that, would they?

    Just speculating.

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    Default Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

    I still find it hard to believe commercial airliners would be flying any where near this part of the world and what we are looking at on the ground is MH 370.

    Stinks of a Sandy Hook type News Story to me.
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    Default Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

    Quote Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
    I'm bumping this post as I personally see this as one of the most bizarre claims yet pertaining to this event, and I also see absolutely no motive or logical reasoning for anyone to make this up or to even consider making something like this up. This person is also claiming "MANY" of the bodies appeared this way, so IMO that pretty much tells me they were not looking at a few dead bodies being transported in the cargo hold heading to be buried in another country.

    Something really weird is going on once again and these first 48 hours after the event are what we should be paying the most close attention too regardless of how ridiculous certain things sound like, like this bizarre claim. In another day or so there will be so many bs stories going around that many of us will forget what has happened within this first 48 hours.

    I personally think this story/claim means something.....what? I haven't much of a clue yet but do have a couple of theories (which are bizarre too)!!!!

    Quote Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
    This is a really "strange" story....

    Quote Rebel leader gives bizarre account of plane crash

    A top pro-Russia rebel commander in eastern Ukraine has given a bizarre version of events surrounding the Malaysian jetliner crash — suggesting many of the victims may have died days before the plane took off.

    The pro-rebel website Russkaya Vesna on Friday quoted Igor Girkin as saying he was told by people at the crash site that "a significant number of the bodies weren't fresh," adding that he was told they were drained of blood and reeked of decomposition.

    Girkin said "Ukrainian authorities are capable of any baseness."

    He claimed that a large amount of blood serum and medications were found in the wreckage.


    See , I know this is very distasteful and yes very bizarre statement ... but the same man and his people , till this moment do not have the guts to come out and say who fired at the plane ?
    And if they did not , lets presume for a moment, give them an option, then again why we hear no statement from them 'no we did not do that' ?

    Those unofficial leaks from these rebel groups only show there's little if any idea and control of who does what , who did it ,
    if no one did it why would they keep dumb , again . They know they will be investigation and repercussions ..

    and my own bad feeling about it is that whoever held any clue and responsibility there , they're shifting people and weapons out of the area , as fast and sneaky as possible .

    Trying to lie their way out of this .

    Just a feeling .



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    Default Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

    Q: What if? The “patsy” plane was deliberately chosen to be a Malaysian Air flight (again! OMG!)? And just imagine how the conspiracy theorists - and the rest of us - will go galloping madly off in that [false] direction...? Heh. Heh. Heh....

    Red herring, anyone? Tasty with smelt...

    To be clear here: What is possible/probable is that the miscreants have laid down a lot of false trails for us to suck up.

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    The Malaysian Plane Crash May Be A Major Blow To AIDS Research

    I don't know if the experts on AIDS who were in that plane had a cure for AIDS, as the article suggests could be a possibility, but the speculation reminded me of what a whistleblower well known to Avalon was saying about the first Malaysian crash, which I won't post on this public thread, but there is a strange parallel, imho.
    That first crash had 20 scientists on it who had techie information which would have changed life on Earth, according to the whistleblower.

    http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014...laysian-plane/

    Quote The Malaysian passenger plane that was shot down over Ukraine on Thursday was carrying more than 100 public health experts on their way to a prominent international meeting on AIDS, according to several news reports. Their deaths have prompted an outpouring of grief from the scientific community.
    Those passengers were on their way to the 20th International AIDS Conference, which begins on Sunday in Melbourne, Australia. The group hosting the event expressed its “sincere sadness” at receiving the news in a statement released on the afternoon of Malaysia Airlines MH17′s fatal crash.
    According to the Associated Press, the exact number of individuals who were killed on their way to the conference is unconfirmed. However, Australian officials have noted that “there is no doubt it’s a substantial number” that includes “medical scientists, doctors, people who’ve been to the forefront of dealing with AIDS across the world.”
    “The cure for AIDS may have been on that plane, we just don’t know,” Trevor Stratton, an HIV/AIDS consultant who in Sydney for a pre-conference event, told the Australian Broadcasting Corporation.
    The plane’s passengers included Joep Lange, the former president of the International AIDS Society and a tireless advocate for expanding access to affordable HIV treatment in impoverished countries. Lange had studied HIV/AIDS for more than three decades, and the Dutch researcher was considered to be a giant in the field. “He’s one of the icons of the whole area of research. His loss is massive,” Richard Boyd, a professor of immunology in Melbourne, told Reuters.
    Another passenger was Glenn Thomas, a media relations coordinator at the World Health Organization (WHO) who had been with the group for more than a decade. Several other WHO staffers were also en route to the conference, and the organization is waiting for confirmation about whether they were also on board the MH17 flight.
    As of now, the conference is scheduled to proceed as planned. But other attendees are telling reporters that it will take on an atmosphere of mourning. “There’s a huge feeling of sadness here, people are in floods of tears in the corridors,” Clive Aspin, an HIV researcher who attended the pre-conference event in Sydney, said in an interview with the Guardian. “These people were the best and the brightest, the ones who had dedicated their whole careers to fighting this terrible virus. It’s devastating.”
    So far, emergency rescue workers have recovered more than 180 bodies from the site of the crash. The tragedy comes just one day after the United Nations published an optimistic report suggesting that we’re on track to end the global AIDS epidemic by 2030.
    Each breath a gift...
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    The TV MMS is on in the background right now, very little of Gaza, but they are definitley putting all the blame on Putin for "supplying" the weapon. Im not a fan of any politician(except the president of Uruguay he seems cool) but appears to me Putin does not have an agenda to provoke war, in the way the west does. I don't want to be a Putin apologist as I know he has done a lot questionable things, but everytime I see his picture I get this feeling he is fighting for the better good. Who knows? Just my 2€

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    Putin is not perfect, far from it.... but like Bill Ryan said, he's done a lot of good things for Russia. In fact, my views about him changed while watching the Olympics because I saw someone who literally moved mountains to make that event happen and I was even a little annoyed that most of the Western leaders in the world didn't show up for the opening ceremony.

    He's worked hard to gain the respect and trust of leaders all over the world and he managed to even do that too. So, how can one dislike someone like this? Someone who marches to his own drummer yet, at the same time has been willing to be diplomatic and compromise on various important issues with world leaders just for the sake of peace and harmony so long as it didn't leave Russia with the short end of the stick.

    Just saying that I understand his appeal and why so many out there really do have much respect for him.

    I also feel sad that this incident happened because it's going to stop a good, competent leader from completing his mission which is to bring Russia back to its former glory. I really, really thought he was going to do that but now, that's not going to happen and I'm sad about that.

    Is it his fault? Yes, because he didn't take those precautions necessary to make sure that he/Russia would not be framed in any way, shape or form by his enemies due to what's been going on in Ukraine.

    At any rate, as the day wore on I came to the point where I am now that he/Russia was framed to make it seem like they were the ones who shot down that commercial airline. There are a few scenario's that would allow something like that to happen but I don't think that someone like Putin would intentionally allow anything like that to happen -- and in fact, it goes against everything that he stands for. He would never jeopardize Russia's standing in the world political theater by doing something like that. It goes against everything he stands for... right down to the core of his very being.

    Russia is not the guilty party in this incident...

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    Default Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

    Quote Posted by Taurean (here)
    I still find it hard to believe commercial airliners would be flying any where near this part of the world and what we are looking at on the ground is MH 370.

    Stinks of a Sandy Hook type News Story to me.
    That's interesting! Thanks for mentioning that!

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    Default Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

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    Quote Posted by Pris (here)
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    Quote Posted by Pris (here)
    Yes... are we seeing MH370 here? Was it substituted in -- to 'replace' flight MH17... a way to destroy the evidence and kill all the people on board?!

    Was this some kind of a setup to appear like a missile hit?!
    Me too I'm having sort of 'deja vu' but don't think this is correct version . The passengers were different people ..
    How has this been confirmed -- and by whom? How do we 'trust' anything we are told?

    We've had long thread here on the MA370 incident that's not been recovered till now, list of passengers together with their photos was published in open and their relatives are still mourning if not searching for them .

    You'll see that these people too have relatives , they passed through airport security checkpoint at Schiphol , IDs are recovered from the crash side together with remains of bodies .

    It's all very sad . But I think that 'common reasoning' prevails here, I can't speak for all but as far as I'm concerned, truth is often stranger than a fiction - that does not mean that every 'conspiracy' is automatically more plausible truth .
    We 're not competing in 'creating conspiracies' . Though open minded thinking is always welcome ..


    Hope I've not offended you anyhow .

    No offense taken. We're all here to share our thoughts.

    It seems that now there is 'evidence' suggesting that many of the victims may have been dead long before the crash...

    Again, who were these people?

    A convenient pile of undamaged passports...

    And, what about the two fighter jets that seemed to escort MH17 right before it disappeared from radar?

    I still hold to my original feeling that the crashed plane may indeed be flight MH370 substituting in for MH17.

    Whatever the truth, it appears that this incident is being used to frame Russia.

    One thing is for certain, Agape: I do not have 'common reasoning'.
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    Quote Posted by Roisin (here)
    Putin is not perfect, far from it.... but like Bill Ryan said, he's done a lot of good things for Russia. In fact, my views about him changed while watching the Olympics because I saw someone who literally moved mountains to make that event happen and I was even a little annoyed that most of the Western leaders in the world didn't show up for the opening ceremony.

    He's worked hard to gain the respect and trust of leaders all over the world and he managed to even do that too. So, how can one dislike someone like this? Someone who marches to his own drummer yet, at the same time has been willing to be diplomatic and compromise on various important issues with world leaders just for the sake of peace and harmony so long as it didn't leave Russia with the short end of the stick.

    Just saying that I understand his appeal and why so many out there really do have much respect for him.

    I also feel sad that this incident happened because it's going to stop a good, competent leader from completing his mission which is to bring Russia back to its former glory. I really, really thought he was going to do that but now, that's not going to happen and I'm sad about that.

    Is it his fault? Yes, because he didn't take those precautions necessary to make sure that he/Russia would not be framed in any way, shape or form by his enemies due to what's been going on in Ukraine.

    At any rate, as the day wore on I came to the point where I am now that he/Russia was framed to make it seem like they were the ones who shot down that commercial airline. There are a few scenario's that would allow something like that to happen but I don't think that someone like Putin would intentionally allow anything like that to happen -- and in fact, it goes against everything that he stands for. He would never jeopardize Russia's standing in the world political theater by doing something like that. It goes against everything he stands for... right down to the core of his very being.

    Russia is not the guilty party in this incident...
    Well said, yes its all very fishy. Its interesting to see you flexible in your views of the matter as more puzzle pieces come together. The MMS is way to trigger finger happy to point the finger right at Putin..and they keep using his name all day, rsther then saying Russia.

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    Quote Posted by TargeT (here)
    Quote Posted by Tesseract (here)
    "Thus we cannot rule out technical assistance from Russian personnel in operating the systems."
    US forces IMO..... doing what we do best, spreading hate and discontent to the whole world! this is the job of our Special Forces ("force multiplier".... aka future terrorist training specialists)
    Agreed TargeT,

    Don't forget the secret-sections of the Australian & British SAS & Mossad Special Forces who are ((ALL)) complicit in these ((False-Flag - Terrorism)) incidents we see all over the world and might I add with the (FULL) Cooperation & Support of the UN Security Council & NATO alliance and their respective Govts...
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    Remember the shooting down of Korean Airlines Flight 007? Full of pre-dead bodies? They blamed Russia for that too. Even learned Koreans believe it was a US spy mission. When it comes to the Cabal, the only thing some people don't learn from history, is; they don't learn from history!
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    "WATCH-OUT" for this Man..!!!

    Arseniy Yatsenyuk economist and lawyer who is the interim Prime Minister of Ukraine..!

    The 'Puppet' Speaks...


    PS - IMHO this man epitomizes 'Cowardess' and has a "Massive Yellow-Streak' running throughout his Soul...

    Complicit to say the least..!!!











    PSS - Watch out for that Bus Arseniy...

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    Just 'HOW' does the US led NATO Alliance, the UN Security Council, Govts & MSM ((CONTROL)) their LIES & DECEIT..?
    The 'FIX' IS IN..!!!

    Lets start by looking at the stories coming from the Australian MSM...

    The 'Headlines'

    1. What is Russia trying to hide?

    July 19, 2014

    FOOTAGE has emerged that reportedly shows the BUK rocket launcher that blasted Flight MH17 out of the sky — killing 298 people — two hours after the disaster.

    Quote The grainy footage, allegedly filmed by a Ukrainian intelligence agent, purportedly shows the rocket launcher being driven towards the Russian border after the attack, which killed 28 Australians on board MH17.

    Chilling video ... the Ukrainian defence ministry says this is the rocket launcher that took down MH17. Source: Supplied

    The video has not been independently verified. Ukrainian officials have said they believe Russian separatists near the town of Torez shot the airliner down with the Soviet-era BUK mobile anti-aircraft missile system.


    PS - Who takes a Video of a truck from a confined area as if they 'KNEW' it was going to be there (approx. 2hrs Note: Could have been taken at any time)...

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    2. MH17 fallout: Russian reporter Sara Firth quits over Ukraine ‘lies’


    A LONDON-based reporter for Russia’s state-owned English-language channel RT has quit in protest at its coverage of the Malaysia Airlines crash in Ukraine.

    Sara Firth is the second person since March to publicly resign from RT, formerly known as Russia Today, over its coverage of the Ukraine crisis.


    Sara Firth. Picture: Twitter Source: Twitter

    PS - Another little 'Snipit' of convenience...

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    3. THE Russian government has allegedly been busted editing a 'Wikipedia entry' on the Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 disaster to blame Ukraine.

    A Twitter bot which monitors edits made on the site by Russian government IP addresses picked up the changes which were made on a page listing civil aviation accidents, the UK’s Telegraph reported.

    http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel...-1226992889461

    PS - Quid Pro Quo...

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    4. Ukraine to Putin: ‘Damn you for Centuries’


    THE Ukrainian Government has condemned Russian leader Vladamir Putin by releasing a graphic image of an infant victim lying in a field, telling him he has the child’s blood on his hands.

    The infant was among 80 children and three infants who died aboard MH17 when it was shot down by Pro-Russian rebels in eastern Ukraine.

    Senior government advisor Anton Gerashchenko released the image with the message: “This baby’s death is on your conscience. Damn you for centuries!”

    http://www.news.com.au/world/russian...-1226993795375

    PS - Yep, the West has conveniently already (Made-Up) their story and come Hell or High water they will be sticking to it, as if their very lives depended on it...

    SUMMARY:

    Quote MSM/CABAL - We've just gotta make these (LIES) stick...!!!
    Like I said...

    The 'FIX' is in...
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    Default Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

    Quote Posted by fifula (here)
    Yet it could be another interesting puzzle to our jigsaw.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fyt...VErr8EYxg8t1dQ
    BUMP... If this is a legitimate video, then this is HUGE. WHAT IF... This whole thing is a false flag? What if this was remoted control crashed, and THEN blown up?... Daboo make an EXCELLENT point of view, if this was shot in the sky the parts and bodies would be strewn over miles.... HOLY SMOKES...
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    Default Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

    Quote Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
    Its also the anniversary that czar Nicholas and his family were executed.
    Then that would add to the "Attempted assassination attempt" scenario... HOLY MOLY! And that is just too much of a coincidence.

    A secret code passed by La Garde, A Plane blown up 20 minutes ahead of Putin's Putin is the biggest source of NWO anxiety in the world today...
    He double crossed them... so they have a vendetta out for him...

    Wow that guy is gutsy...
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