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    Default Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

    Quote Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
    I personally wouldn't toss away the numerology about this event....
    eh. What numerology ?

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    Default Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

    Quote All things must be considered in thorough "detective" work IMO
    Including it is most likely an "unsolvable" engineered enigma, not necessarily to start a war, but possibly to distract from something in the real world

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    Default Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

    Quote Posted by Christine (here)
    Putting pieces on the table here... Today I was studying these numbers. 223, 16, and 777. And then I remembered this speech from Christine LeGarde of the IMF.


    ...
    Well her 'magical 7' indeed immediately came to mind ...

    If it was shot down there should be evidence of launched missiles. However, keep in mind
    that this plane left from Schiphol, Amsterdam ... the same airport where they brought on
    board, under mysterious circumstances, the 'underwear bomber'.

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    Quote Posted by donk (here)
    Quote All things must be considered in thorough "detective" work IMO
    Including it is most likely an "unsolvable" engineered enigma, not necessarily to start a war, but possibly to distract from something in the real world
    This will distract many away from Israel bombing the hell outta Gaza right now.....
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    Default Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

    Quote Posted by donk (here)
    Quote All things must be considered in thorough "detective" work IMO
    Including it is most likely an "unsolvable" engineered enigma, not necessarily to start a war, but possibly to distract from something in the real world
    Yea...that's the deal...so many possibilities...

    I am looking at all the information with as open of a mind as I can have...which I think there is a lot of ideas on what is happening....

    We are all just attempting to figure out what connects with us as to our different points of view and make something of this...

    Some of us will focus on one aspect and others another...including as you say as seeing this as a distraction...

    Ugh...

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    Quote Posted by Christine (here)
    LOOK everyone that can.. ground this energy now. It wants to take us down a dark tunnel. Pour in the light of consciousness. I am getting how huge this is.. others are looking.

    "Let's make it our intent to have this wake up the masses in a major way."
    To wake up the masses in a major way you havee to have information and mostly questions going around in a major way

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    Default Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/07...-over-ukraine/
    Quote Initial stories, traced back to Israeli intelligence, that a Russian jet is responsible for downing the Malaysian Airlines 777 with all aboard, are being disseminated to anyone stupid enough to listen. Showing their hand this early is a monumental blunder.
    Here is what we have so far, unconfirmed. An American built F 15 fighter took off from an airfield in Azerbaijan. Back in 2010, Azerbaijan claimed that this and one other airfield was taken over by Armenian militants. However, these two facilities were home to Israeli aircraft that relocated there as while participating in training exercises with the Turkish Air Force. Turkey allowed Israel to train pilots in strategic bombing in areas selected because they closely resembled potential Israeli targets in Iran.
    Israel would send 8 aircraft in for training with the Turks, 6 would return to Israel, two went on to Azerbaijan in preparation for a planned air assault on Iran. To aid this effort, Saudi Arabia put out cover stories stating that it had denied Israeli requests to cross their territory to attack Iran.
    These bases are supplied through the Georgian seaport of Poti. Armaments for the “attack that never happened” were offloaded in Poti by the USS Grapple in 2010 and shipped with help of Chechen extremists working with the Jamestown Foundation and Rand Corporation.
    Those two organizations were recently found to be working with groups in Turkey in support of ISIS operations in Iraq as reported by Jeffrey Silverman, Veterans Today Bureau Chief working out of Tbilisi.
    The reason for the attack on the airliner is not clear and can only be speculated on. This is an extremely serious incident. Pro-Russian separatists in the Ukraine have no air defense systems capable of operating that high, or a need for them with air ground attack being their main concern. US surveillance which includes AWAC, drones and satellites is capable of detecting the launch of any air defense missile, ground based, capable of reaching the necessary 32,000 foot altitude.
    Such a weapon would have been spotted in seconds and, as all such systems in the region are under continual surveillance due to the sensitive nature of the conflict and the history of allegations made, making claims we expect to be made outlandish.
    There are questions. Why two Malaysian Airlines planes? If someone or something so threatening that this act was seen as ”reasonable and justified,” even by the Israelis, was undertaken, we will never hear the truth. Minimally, biological or chemical agents capable of global holocaust would have to have been onboard.
    After the disappearance of Flight 370, author Chris Bollyn published photographs of a plane that looked identical to flight 370 stating that plane was in Israel and was likely to be used by that nation in a terror attack. The story, both fascinating and yet reeking of wild conspiracy theory, dominated alternative media for some time. There is now serious reason to reassess the story, why was it written, what were the sources and was it simply a hoax or tied to something far more serious.
    The only other possibility is destabilization of the region and to push for a world war. It is reasonable to suggest that an Israeli plane was involved because we know they have the only clandestine capability within the region.
    As to the pilot or reason, simply blaming Israel is not supportable, no more than blaming Hamas for murdering the 3 children a few short weeks ago.
    Thus, we assume these as high probability:
    An aircraft was used, most likely an American built F15 because of range and capability.
    Azerbaijan was used because we know of clandestine bases there, which were confirmed by military officers who defected to Iran in 2013.
    We know Israel has some role, yet undefined, because they are spreading stories blaming Russia.
    As this is a second Malaysian Airlines plane to go down, we look for false stories regarding Israel and Malaysian planes and reassess their meaning.
    As is always the case, que bono, who benefits?
    We ask readers to watch the world news and those in the region, report directly to our bureau there.
    Most unpleasant inferences - but plausible....
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    Default Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

    In fact make it simple and repeated over and over. ( lesson retained from G Bush jr)

    1. Why same company, same plane, same country, twice in a row?

    2. Why Ukraine? To start what?

    3. In whose interest??

    And ask those very simple 3 questions over and over again on all internet channels. Facebook, twitter, forums, to reporters, etc etc everytime the topic is mentioned
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    Any body noticed that Gaza disappeared off the map?
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    Default Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

    Quote Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN (here)
    http://lifenews.ru/watch-live LIVE NEWS FEED - VERY GRAPHIC!!!!!!! Bodies everywhere.
    Everywhere? I saw a handful several times over.... (this is a short clip being played back in a loop)
    Interesting: the ticket that is shown is marked MH 0851: why not MH17? Is 0851 the takeoff time?


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    RT have just said Putin's private jet crossed the same flight path 40 mins after the shoot down at the same height.

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    Default Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

    Quote Posted by Lifebringer (here)
    Another 777 remote guidance into a war zone. If I were the other nations, I would NEVER USE BOEING ANYTHING. They are SSG and have been for over 70 years. The owner went to his dying bed and posted on YT, what they were doing, hoping to gain mercy and forgiveness for what they have done. I think Boeing got involve w/CIA nazis and had no choice other than to do what they said or be taken over. If they were reverse engineering back then, and they were, then it stands to reason, that they've put gps, and emergency guidance systems in place, to fly planes where ever they want to fly them from a bunker or pc.

    Father we ask that you bring this forth that we can truly start prosecuting these monsters. Help us through divine plan to end this chaos on earth that kills innocents at free will. My God, what is taking so long for them to be gotten? Help us Father/Spirit of all that is good in the world and universe. Help us to stop them, in the driveways, at a coffee shop, anywhere they go to relax, as they kill at will.
    What is SSG and which "owner" are you referring to? Do you think you can find this video?... thanks..
    I agree though , that could be a plausible scenario, my first instinct was it would be just as easy for them to shoot their own Russian missile, anyone could buy them... But they could also have shut down the plane's communication, then redirect it to fly over Ukrainian airspace as a decoy... and set the Russians up... although by this time it is getting a little risky, and 777s seem to falling out of the sky like flies these days... Basically this is blackmailing every country in the world that has bought 777s. This is not going to go well in the long term for Boeing or the US...

    And by this time we might as well just call the players who they are this is the US/London/IMF/Vatican vs Russia/BRICS, 180 countries (who, for the first time, have a real chance at trying to bring equitable distribution of wealth to their people in centuries...)

    i.e. NWO vs Russia or since the US is the military arm of the Vatican/Inner City of London/Washington DC Trilateral Commission.... the US vs Russia...

    Everyone else is just a pawn.
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    Default Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

    USA Today reports:

    Quote FAA warned airlines to avoid Crimea because of conflict

    During the hostilities between Ukraine and Russia, the threat of military action against a civilian airliner has been in the air for months.

    The Federal Aviation Administration prohibited U.S. airlines in April from flying over Crimea, but because of concerns about air-traffic control rather than military action.

    The region covered by the FAA order is south of where Malaysia Airlines flight 17 crashed on Thursday.

    But the FAA took the action April 25, which is to remain in effect for one year, because of a dispute between Ukraine and Russia about which country controlled the airspace in the Simferopol region, which covers the Crimean peninsula.

    The Russian Federation declared March 28 that it controlled the airspace over Crimea, as well as international airspace above the Black Sea and Sea of Azov. In response, Ukraine created a prohibited area over the Crimean peninsula for flights below 29,000 feet.

    Because of the dispute, the International Civil Aviation Organization, a branch of the United Nations, warned airlines April 3 to avoid the area.

    "In addition, political and military tension between Ukraine and the Russian Federation remains high, and compliance with air traffic control instructions issued by the authorities of one country could result in a civil aircraft being misidentified as a threat and intercepted or otherwise engaged by air defense forces of the other country," FAA said.
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/travel...ning/12783569/

    There's much discussion going on on Italian tv about the fact that commercial airlines were still flying over that area....

    This is what the area looked like around 16:37UTC posted on the reuters feed:

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    Quote Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
    Any body noticed that Gaza disappeared off the map?
    You mean 'off the radar' or literally off the map?
    I know that Gaza news has been marginalised due to 'other things' - especially by the BBC!
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    Default Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

    Quote Posted by seeker/reader (here)
    So today flight 17 is downed on 0717

    and earlier this year flight 370 disappeared on 0307

    Both were Malaysian 777s

    Numerology anyone????

    uh yeah..........

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    Default Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

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    Quote All things must be considered in thorough "detective" work IMO
    Including it is most likely an "unsolvable" engineered enigma, not necessarily to start a war, but possibly to distract from something in the real world
    We may never likely get the real story for 20 to 50 years plus... (so I'm not waitin') I am going on record and using some "common sense", logic and straight bets...


    1) This event was not random, i.e. whoever wanted that plane downed had premeditated it.

    2) It's public knowledge that Boeing 777's can be remoted controlled. We now have double evidence of that... (either that or you have won the lottery twice in 6 months, and goody for you...)

    3) Whatever interpretation is behind hitting on Boeing 777s and in particular Malaysian owned Boeing 777s, it would not make any sense for the Russians to shoot down a civilian passenger plane of an Asian country on their own Border.

    4) The fact that they shot down an Ukrainian (another?) transport just recently, (btw that is interesting news if they did, because I never heard about a second transport being shot down on MSM???) doesn't mean they shot down the Malaysian 777... But this is news now? all of a sudden after a Malaysian Boeing 777 is down this is news... doesn't that sound a bit like payback?

    5) We actually don't know how or what happened to make it come down. If it was a Russian missile. We have seen the same strategy in Syria with the poison gas. So it is totally open.

    6) And now we are hearing of British (go figure) ambassador making the ever so clever "insinuation" that is MIGHT be the "PRO RUSSIAN" Ukrainians... within hours after it is downed with no evidence, no research (that usually takes weeks, months, and years) That alone is SUSPECT...

    All this leads me to believe this is total PSYOP, even if the Russians DID shoot a plane out of the sky at 33,000 ft. (which I am not leaning towards, given the make and ethnicity of the plane in question) We don't know the full context.

    We do know we live in the age of high technology, and it is in the control of some of the most deceptive and manipulative people on the planet, who would stop at nothing to maintain their geo political control, which basically translates into poverty for the rest of the planet.

    So we are going to HAVE TO START DOING SOME HARD speculation, based on as much peripheral data. I'm not waiting for mainstream media. And I will be adjusting this model (like any good scientist as more facts and information come in)

    Remember they have basically said the latest research done by top experts on MH370 is that the plane was sabotaged electronically, but NONE of that has been picked up by mainstream media. So this will keep happening until people wake up and start getting serious about it... This DOES have the potential to affect the entire globe. This IS a WAR going on. Call it what it is... Don't wait for some talking head to adjust (and limit) your thinking with a steaming load of cryptic double talk.
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    Default Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

    The world needs to be on ALERT (((NOW))) for nuclear retaliation at the perceived perpetrator of this monumental crime against humanity.

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    Default Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

    Well about month ago we saw puzzle A http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...er-Europe.html and now we have seen puzzle B. A + B = ?

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    The RAI Italy tv correspondant in Ukraine is saying that the Ukraine gov't has a registration intercepted of Pro-Russian rebels discussing having hit a civilian plane with a missle.. and can already be found on UT in Russian..... wow..my digital tv signal for the RAI channel just disappeared... completely blacked-out...
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